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Rajere No Trademark	Posted - 2009.06.02 20:02:00 - [31] Quote: Btw, just because NOTR can't constatly kill carebears 24/7 doesn't give you the right to outright attack people who give you a counter argument. Why don't you quit making yourself look like an ass and quit while your ahead. Counter argument? Where? I've yet to see a valid counter argument presented. Originally by: De'Veldrin Originally by: Rajere Wow, didn't realize so many players were against fixing low sec. You guys want to keep it barren and lifeless, I understand. Nice false dichotomy. Unfortunately, it's laughably inaccurate as even a casual perusal of the Assembly Hall will prove - there exists thread after thread of ideas to "fix" lowsec -- some good, some bad. Failure to support a particular idea does not equate to failure to support the objective. Try again. Quoted for failure and irony. Supporting any low sec fix without supporting the necessary precursor (my thread) is hilarious. My single fix will do more to bring carebears into lowsec than all other ideas combined. The opinions expressed in my posts do represent my corp -------------------------- NOTR
Oam Mkoll Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.02 20:06:00 - [32] Edited by: Oam Mkoll on 02/06/2009 20:09:11 I am technically a carebear but your proposal caused my first desire ever to use 'carebear' as an insult. This is contrary to everything EVE stands for. Low-sec even has hints in the name. LOW SECURITY, how's that sound? There's a ton of things wrong with lowsec (reward for the risk anyone?) but adding ridiculously artificial mechanics won't fix them. That's a big, fat NO! Edit: also you win the House M.D. award for your attitude to your own idea. Please go die (in lowsec). ---
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.06.02 20:13:00 - [33] Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 02/06/2009 20:14:29 Originally by: Rajere Quote: Btw, just because NOTR can't constatly kill carebears 24/7 doesn't give you the right to outright attack people who give you a counter argument. Why don't you quit making yourself look like an ass and quit while your ahead. Counter argument? Where? I've yet to see a valid counter argument presented. Originally by: De'Veldrin Originally by: Rajere Wow, didn't realize so many players were against fixing low sec. You guys want to keep it barren and lifeless, I understand. Nice false dichotomy. Unfortunately, it's laughably inaccurate as even a casual perusal of the Assembly Hall will prove - there exists thread after thread of ideas to "fix" lowsec -- some good, some bad. Failure to support a particular idea does not equate to failure to support the objective. Try again. Quoted for failure and irony. Supporting any low sec fix without supporting the necessary precursor (my thread) is hilarious. My single fix will do more to bring carebears into lowsec than all other ideas combined. Wow, your egotistical. Obviously you can do no wrong. We should all bow down to our new "King" of Eve because his ideas are golden. Are you serious? Your change will cause low-sec to become worst, not better. Ok enough, you are no longer worth replying to. I gave you a counter argument and you actively ignored it. That is your problem. Not mine. Good day Rajere. --Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart - Closed
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.06.02 20:14:00 - [34] Edited by: De''Veldrin on 02/06/2009 20:16:00 Edited by: De''Veldrin on 02/06/2009 20:15:27 Originally by: De'Veldrin Originally by: Rajere Wow, didn't realize so many players were against fixing low sec. You guys want to keep it barren and lifeless, I understand. Nice false dichotomy. Unfortunately, it's laughably inaccurate as even a casual perusal of the Assembly Hall will prove - there exists thread after thread of ideas to "fix" lowsec -- some good, some bad. Failure to support a particular idea does not equate to failure to support the objective. Try again. Quoted for failure and irony. Supporting any low sec fix without supporting the necessary precursor (my thread) is hilarious. My single fix will do more to bring carebears into lowsec than all other ideas combined. The fact that you think your thread is a "necessary precursor" to rebalancing low-sec reinforces my initial observation that you, sir, are an now simply being arrogant and deliberately obtuse because no one else seems to recoginize the simple brilliance of your idea. Why could that be, I wonder? At any rate, your reply, above, demonstrates that you are not here for reasoned discourse on the topic, but rather to berate people for not jumping on the USS Failboat with you. Following Issac's example, therefore, I wish you good day, and good luck in your endeavour, though I think you'll find it an extremly unlikely change to get implemented. --Vel Experience is what you get right after you need it.
Rajere No Trademark	Posted - 2009.06.02 20:24:00 - [35] Edited by: Rajere on 02/06/2009 20:27:10 Originally by: Oam Mkoll Edited by: Oam Mkoll on 02/06/2009 20:09:11 I am technically a carebear but your proposal caused my first desire ever to use 'carebear' as an insult. This is contrary to everything EVE stands for. Low-sec even has hints in the name. LOW SECURITY, how's that sound? There's a ton of things wrong with lowsec (reward for the risk anyone?) but adding ridiculously artificial mechanics won't fix them. That's a big, fat NO! Edit: also you win the House M.D. award for your attitude to your own idea. Please go die (in lowsec). Sounds like you're more than just technically a carebear. High Sec means high security, you'll only die in wardecs, suicide ganks while afk hauling, and attacking someone who flags themselves to bait you. low security means you can lose your ship at any time but if you know what you're doing you'll never lose your pod. nullsec, or no security, means your ship+pod can always be killed due to bubbles. You say the problem with low sec is the risk vs reward, which obviously I agree with since it's kinda the foundation for my thread. Please provide a fix to the RvR to low sec when the population you're trying to encourage to venture into lowsec has a built in risk of a set of +5 implants upon every ship loss? Go ahead, i'll wait. Oh that's right, you can't possibly do it, it's impossible. go diaf (in game), tia Quote: no one else seems to recoginize(sic) the simple brilliance of your idea. Exactly. And no, i'm not surprised at all. most people on this planet are idiots. It's no surprise that that applies to this (or any other) player base as well. The opinions expressed in my posts do represent my corp -------------------------- NOTR
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.06.02 21:17:00 - [36] This thread has the potential to be epic. Anyone got any popcorn? ---
Zostera Minmatar Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.06.02 22:09:00 - [37] How about just using a jump clone without implants for excursions into low sec? Can't see even the tiniest justification for this proposal. Not supported. Zos
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.02 22:39:00 - [38] He's just sore he got podded. :) ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Omega87 Caldari Griefer-B-Gone Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.06.02 23:05:00 - [39] I think he's just trolling now lol, we may as well stop feeding him. His idea has no redeemable merit. If someone isn't brave or bold enough to take a step into lowsec without a safety net, they don't need to be there anyway. It's not that hard. I did it back before I even had battlecruisers, when I dreamed of my shiney Ferox and all its leetness ------ "Nothing ventured, nothing ganked." - Me
lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.06.03 03:47:00 - [40] Bad idea IMO, and not supported. Bad idea followed by needless insults and pure arrogance and a stubborn attitude makes for a good troll, not a good proposal. Just saying.

Oam Mkoll Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.03 05:55:00 - [41] Edited by: Oam Mkoll on 03/06/2009 05:59:40 Originally by: Rajere Sounds like you're more than just technically a carebear. High Sec means high security, you'll only die in wardecs, suicide ganks while afk hauling, and attacking someone who flags themselves to bait you. low security means you can lose your ship at any time but if you know what you're doing you'll never lose your pod. nullsec, or no security, means your ship+pod can always be killed due to bubbles. Indeed. There are differences between highsec, lowsec and 0.0 for a reason. There are mechanics that prevent being caught and there are mechanics which increase the chance of catching. It's an important part of the game. Quote: You say the problem with low sec is the risk vs reward, which obviously I agree with since it's kinda the foundation for my thread. Please provide a fix to the RvR to low sec when the population you're trying to encourage to venture into lowsec has a built in risk of a set of +5 implants upon every ship loss? Go ahead, i'll wait. Wait, you have split personality? Let me copy paste your own words for you: "low security means you can lose your ship at any time but if you know what you're doing you'll never lose your pod" It takes a lot to lose a pod in low sec. Risk is an important part of the overall allure of EVE and should not be messed with. Also you're talking about implants as if they were necessary. They are not. Jump Clones are in the game for a reason. You can use +5 implants for a while and then switch to no implants or the ridiculously cheap +3s for lowsec/pvp. Even without imps the loss of training time will be minuscule. Quote: Exactly. And no, i'm not surprised at all. most people on this planet are idiots. It's no surprise that that applies to this (or any other) player base as well. Oh god.. you're so full of ****. This is either a case of very bad troll or the OP was stupid enough to get podded in lowsec and this is just carebearemorage. Did THIS upset you so much? I'll have to send that Black Rose guy some ISK.. ---
Izo Alabaster Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company	Posted - 2009.06.03 08:16:00 - [42] Originally by: Oam Mkoll A bunch of smartguy talk... I can't believe I'm agreeing with a member of CVA on an issue regarding piracy, but I think Oam Mkoll said it really well in his posts. The OP's idea to carebearify lowsec with his pod insta-warp mechanic is a really bad idea. 41 responses, 0 supports = bad idea. I do hope the OP continues to emorage on the forums though.
slugdo masada	Posted - 2009.06.03 09:57:00 - [43] Oh please please please continue to justify this extraordinarily poorly thought through idea. A finer load of piffle I've not heard in a long time.
Amasai	Posted - 2009.06.03 12:35:00 - [44] I understand there being a need to bring more people into low and 0.0 sec but this is the wrong answer. Regardless of peoples perception of 0.0, this would go against the very spirit of eve and dilute the reason people play this game.
mazzilliu	Posted - 2009.06.03 13:42:00 - [45] if i could make a contentless post with a thumbs down, it would go here. MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU.
Zastrow J	Posted - 2009.06.03 13:45:00 - [46] I like shooting pods. I also have been podded in an alpha clone 3 or 4 times. But back to our topic, I don't think this is necessary, or would improve the game.
Verys The Black Ops Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.03 16:59:00 - [47] Originally by: Rajere Thank you empire carebear, for proving my point. What is the risk, you ask? 100-500mil, + the cost of the ship. Where they would normally be able to manage their risk by choice of ship to risk, they currently believe they have no way to manage the risk to their pods, thus regardless of ship they would enter low sec with, they must factor in the cost of their implants, making venturing into low sec terrible RvR under any conditions. No amount of nerfing highsec or buffing low sec would change that equation. Thank you mr idontknowwhatiamtalking about but I spend most of my time in 0.0 and or low-sec pvping, yes that is my primary occupation. Shows how much you know. If you lose your pod in low-sec as a new character who doesn't know to emergency warp when they have a 100 mil (somebody got ripped off buying implants) loss just on the pod they either got a whole lot of isk for free not knowing what to do with it, are just stupid or have spend so much time in high-sec that they don't know the risk of podding. IF they join an average to good corp they will be taught just these things by older players. Originally by: Rajere Wrong, and highlighted yet again to prove my point about carebears mentality about their pods. It doesn't matter if they started with frigates/shuttles/newb ships, what matters is that they would start to venture into low sec. And who takes above +3s into low sec? Anyone with a clue, which obviously empire newbs (including yourself) lack. If I didn't live in 0.0 and have to deal with bubbles i'd have a full highgrade slave set myself. Nice personally attacking me that really builds a strong argument. I have lived in 0.0 since 2 months I've started playing this game and I only take +2's into 0.0 because I'm not a total idiot like some people apparently who take 100 mil worth of implants into pvp zones. I'd also like to meet the person who spends all their money they gained in say 4 months just on implants, also have you ever heard of a thing called a jumpclone. Some say its a magical device which lets you make other clones which you can apparently also control. But these are just myths! Originally by: Rajere yeah, some people. A small portion of the current empire dwellers will never be anything other than empire dwellers. For some reason you think that 100% of the current empire dwellers fall into that category, which is quite laughable. The barrier to low-sec is not too high as long as a player joins a corp with experienced members, has a talk with anyone about the matter or just likes to take a risk they will eventually end up looking around low-sec and seeing its not so bad. And yes a great portion is actually only PVE but there are also those who do empire wars, trading, mining, research you name it and only because its safer to do there than anywhere else. They have no interest in moving to low-sec so they won't. Quote: You guys whine about easymode all you want, but until this is changed they're never going make the first step, and you can stand on principle enjoying the vast stretches of barren, lifeless low sec. Low-sec is not a barren wasteland it is just that some piece of it are neither economically attractive to the industrials and therefore barren and empty to pvp in for the pirates which means they all go to a single spot and stick there. This is exactly what happens in high sec as well. Lots of people do mission at a system with agents, a small market hub forms and traders start exploiting this and it grows to a busy system and nobody CBA to move (it's just like from a village to a city). There are lots of people in low-sec you just need to know where to look, yes there is more money to be mad there. People won't more to low-sec because they have no interest too, not because they are scared. Now I suggest you stop posting because after 2 pages nobody has even agreed to the topic and you started flaming them.
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.03 17:07:00 - [48] No Support Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.06.03 18:32:00 - [49] No support. Its easy enough to avoid getting podded high/low sec, no need to dumb the system down any further.
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.06.04 04:54:00 - [50] Um, absolutely ****ing not. Ransoming pods is part of how we pirates make a living thanks. Epic fail. -K My sig don't fracking work.

TheLibrarian Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.06.04 04:58:00 - [51] Spamming Warp to 0 pretty much stopped people from getting podded in low sec. I like ransoming pods! it generates money, why should low-sec people have pod protection. Wasting time to protect peoples pods is not something the dev team should be working on. BIG THUMBS DOWN!
Lyvenrith Imshadar Gallente Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.06.04 05:07:00 - [52] I can't support this. Eve has a steep learning curve, and you can't hold everyone's hand. If people are unwilling to learn how to protect themselves in low-sec, giving them this would simply make them more likely to expect free lunches. Either people need to read a forum, a wiki, or stop dual-boxing and then losing their pods.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.06.04 05:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Rajere Quoted for failure and irony. Supporting any low sec fix without supporting the necessary precursor (my thread) is hilarious. My single fix will do more to bring carebears into lowsec than all other ideas combined. Quoted for failure and irony. Proposing any "fix" to low sec without stating the problem is hilarious. Strawman arguments, false dichotomy, ad hominem attacks - you've pulled all stops in this thread. Right at this very instant there is already a way for hisec carebears to enter lowsec with absolutely no risk at all! It's called "use a jump clone in a cheap shuttle or frigate". The reason carebears don't go to lowsec is because there's nothing there that they're interested in that they can't get in hisec, with the added bonus of not being shot at by other players. If you take the stuff they're interested in away from hisec, they'll find something else to do in hisec, or leave the game. To get people to go to lowsec, you need to get them interested in PvP. They need to learn about the meaninglessness of death. You need to draw them to lowsec, not push them. Write a blog about how much fun you're having in lowsec. Offer people rewards to come and spend a few hours with you patrolling lowsec and camping gates. Buy the login page advertisement for a week, asking people to come and play with you in lowsec. Find some way of making lowsec interesting to people who are scared of blinky red, and you'll get people coming to lowsec to try it out. Find some way of reducing the impact of fleet size on likely outcome of combat, then you'll have more people to fight in lowsec. Inventing ways of making pods indestructible in lowsec will only make PvP less rewarding.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.06.04 11:21:00 - [54] Edited by: TraininVain on 04/06/2009 11:26:02 Hmmm. HMMM. This needs much chin stroking. I do get plenty of podkills in low sec is the thing. "To what extent are all those down to lag?" would be the question. I mean personally I've turned a bunch of blinky stuff off to optimise my client but I could well believe the pods I got were down to lag (I do FW). OTOH I've also lost pods to sheer stupidity (e.g. not preparing in time to lose my ship and not having a celestial selected) and maybe some of the people I got died that way. Also, we do have jumpclones available and of all the people in EVE it's the "carebears" who have these most readily available. I ran missions on my PVP toon before it was my PVP toon and I can use a lot of stations. I can see the merit in what you're saying because the extent to which lag plays a part in this doesn't seem like a good gameplay mechanic. But then, the issue there to my mind is the lag. lol Maybe a panic button that appears when your ship is in low hull, the pressing of which primes your pod to instawarp? [ EJECT ]
Wrhaistek Zhelocomeir	Posted - 2009.06.04 15:40:00 - [55] I fully support NOT 'dumbing down' eve any further, therefor I can not support this idea. on a side: sir your attitude towards others, stinks.
Glamaz Cruciatia	Posted - 2009.06.04 16:27:00 - [56] I say no, but I can see your arguement... what if instead you have at least one jump clone available from the start?
Kralin Ignatov Mentis Fidelis Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.05 17:42:00 - [57] I have been podded in low sec, high sec (dammit jita ), and 0.0. I do not support this in the least bit. I would say it is all part of the learning experience
Karentaki Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.05 18:33:00 - [58] No. This is a terrible idea. While you're at it why don't you just introduce PvP flagging and be done with it. Quote: EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
Dodgy Past	Posted - 2009.06.05 18:58:00 - [59] Thread full of fail to mention jump clones. I have some expensive implants to help me manage my mission ship and I also risk them in worm holes, but if I want to go into low sec I just swap clone. Allowed me to experience the true wtf of being podded by a smartbomb at the gate since I couldn't be arsed to wait for the aggression timer in a virtually worthless clone. Also ended up with me getting to watch the PERVS video and it would be a shame if a tactic like that didn't reap the podding rewards it deserved.
lucifers widow	Posted - 2009.06.05 19:06:00 - [60] Tbh if not even the op will support this what chance anyone else thinking this dumb ass idea is good.



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