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T'el'Alana Luathin
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Posted - 2004.09.12 15:46:00 -
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Don't know if people still think it's a problem, but here's a possible solution if they do.
How about MWDs need 'fuel rods' as fuel, which behaves similar to ammo?
It could either be it's own distinct type, or you could for instance use capacitor ammo as fuel for both MWDs and cap boosters.
Just wondering out loud.
T.
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T'el'Alana Luathin
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Posted - 2004.09.12 15:46:00 -
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Don't know if people still think it's a problem, but here's a possible solution if they do.
How about MWDs need 'fuel rods' as fuel, which behaves similar to ammo?
It could either be it's own distinct type, or you could for instance use capacitor ammo as fuel for both MWDs and cap boosters.
Just wondering out loud.
T.
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voidvim
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Posted - 2004.09.12 16:21:00 -
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If mwd used cap boosters as 'fuel rods'it take up a lot hold space (firgates the most)which would limit their use. Would that help balance them ?
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voidvim
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Posted - 2004.09.12 16:21:00 -
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If mwd used cap boosters as 'fuel rods'it take up a lot hold space (firgates the most)which would limit their use. Would that help balance them ?
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Krendig
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Posted - 2004.09.13 05:47:00 -
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The only "MWD problem" is people who keep harping on the fact that there's a problem with MWD's. 
Yes, there's a relatively "broken" configuration where you have a frigate that can't be hit. Nor can it hit you, nor can it actually mount enough offensive weaponry to be anything other than a "tag you're it" frigate.
And there *is* fuel for MWD's. 25% of your capacitor and your shields vanish when you install the damned thing and bring it online. Install two of them? You lost *50* percent of your capacitor, and your shields. That doesn't include the energy drain each time you activate it (granted, it's much worse on cruisers/BS's than frigates, but still). Oh, and that's a *2500* percent boost to your signature, when using 2 of them.
And you people want it *MORE* gimped??!?!?
--Krendig
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Krendig
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Posted - 2004.09.13 05:47:00 -
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The only "MWD problem" is people who keep harping on the fact that there's a problem with MWD's.
Yes, there's a relatively "broken" configuration where you have a frigate that can't be hit. Nor can it hit you, nor can it actually mount enough offensive weaponry to be anything other than a "tag you're it" frigate.
And there *is* fuel for MWD's. 25% of your capacitor and your shields vanish when you install the damned thing and bring it online. Install two of them? You lost *50* percent of your capacitor, and your shields. That doesn't include the energy drain each time you activate it (granted, it's much worse on cruisers/BS's than frigates, but still). Oh, and that's a *2500* percent boost to your signature, when using 2 of them.
And you people want it *MORE* gimped??!?!?
--Krendig
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.09.13 06:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Krendig
You lost *50* percent of your capacitor, and your shields.
0.75*0.75 = 0.5625
Two MWD's stacked makes you lose 43.75% of your shields/cap. Pedantic, I know, but precision is important.
Anyway, the problem with MWDs is not MWD's on cruisers and battleships, it's the running-the-mwd-forever thing on a frigate that's the problem.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.09.13 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Krendig
You lost *50* percent of your capacitor, and your shields.
0.75*0.75 = 0.5625
Two MWD's stacked makes you lose 43.75% of your shields/cap. Pedantic, I know, but precision is important.
Anyway, the problem with MWDs is not MWD's on cruisers and battleships, it's the running-the-mwd-forever thing on a frigate that's the problem.
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Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2004.09.13 21:05:00 -
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however if you are not able to sustain a mwd anymore your frigs will be gimped on TQ.
Why? heh you should know the answer 
 m i s s i l e s
therefor do not change the mwd!!!
well the mwd has a problem or rather has no problem vs missiles now excatly thats the issue.
Greetings Grim |
Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2004.09.13 21:05:00 -
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however if you are not able to sustain a mwd anymore your frigs will be gimped on TQ.
Why? heh you should know the answer
m i s s i l e s
therefor do not change the mwd!!!
well the mwd has a problem or rather has no problem vs missiles now excatly thats the issue.
Greetings Grim |
Vardofire
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Posted - 2004.09.13 21:30:00 -
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Agreed with Krendig, I do not believe there's any 'problem' with MWD's. As a blaster-ship pilot, I personally REQUIRE a MWD on my ships; I am therefore in a pretty good position to tell you that while it's a great advantage to anyone who fits one, it comes along with a terrible penalty to cap/shields/sig resol. So while long distance pilots hate em', I believe MWD are perfect right now as they are and give both long and close distance load-outs equivalent chances.
As for frigs, well, they actually need a MWD too if they wanna stay alive more than 3 seconds, whatever their setup may be.
If they're too fast just use fast missiles, smartboms or light/med drones...
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Vardofire
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Posted - 2004.09.13 21:30:00 -
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Agreed with Krendig, I do not believe there's any 'problem' with MWD's. As a blaster-ship pilot, I personally REQUIRE a MWD on my ships; I am therefore in a pretty good position to tell you that while it's a great advantage to anyone who fits one, it comes along with a terrible penalty to cap/shields/sig resol. So while long distance pilots hate em', I believe MWD are perfect right now as they are and give both long and close distance load-outs equivalent chances.
As for frigs, well, they actually need a MWD too if they wanna stay alive more than 3 seconds, whatever their setup may be.
If they're too fast just use fast missiles, smartboms or light/med drones...
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"Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way."
-General George Patton Jr
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Aegon
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Posted - 2004.09.13 22:26:00 -
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What problem? Moan if you can't catch a frig running an mwd. Sure some people can fit 2x MWDs and run them for ages but so what? Their setups will be so gimped. Even with 1 MWD on an interceptor I have to get really high skills to be able to run it, shoot and use a scrambler. So no, there are no problems. Large ships are not meant to hit smaller ones that easily. HENCE the role of frigates in fleet warfare.
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Aegon
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Posted - 2004.09.13 22:26:00 -
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What problem? Moan if you can't catch a frig running an mwd. Sure some people can fit 2x MWDs and run them for ages but so what? Their setups will be so gimped. Even with 1 MWD on an interceptor I have to get really high skills to be able to run it, shoot and use a scrambler. So no, there are no problems. Large ships are not meant to hit smaller ones that easily. HENCE the role of frigates in fleet warfare.
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Seewolve
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Posted - 2004.09.14 10:42:00 -
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I agree with Aegon,those who are shinig about frig or ceptors using all time mwd are just mens who can do that because lack of skills. Why do you want to disavantage players who are well trained and specialized ?? It's all about to put the right fitting in the right ship, then place the right pilot on it !
Personnaly i don't use mwd in my crow, but 10 nm aft. And for the ones who are also shinig about nerfing 10 nm mwd it's the same answer, it's just a matter of skills and fitting, one choice advantage you in one way but disavantage you in another way, just accord your ship with your skills and your play style .. and take time to train your skills !!
Ci Vis Pacem Para Bellum |
Seewolve
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Posted - 2004.09.14 10:42:00 -
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I agree with Aegon,those who are shinig about frig or ceptors using all time mwd are just mens who can do that because lack of skills. Why do you want to disavantage players who are well trained and specialized ?? It's all about to put the right fitting in the right ship, then place the right pilot on it !
Personnaly i don't use mwd in my crow, but 10 nm aft. And for the ones who are also shinig about nerfing 10 nm mwd it's the same answer, it's just a matter of skills and fitting, one choice advantage you in one way but disavantage you in another way, just accord your ship with your skills and your play style .. and take time to train your skills !!
Ci Vis Pacem Para Bellum |
Jellybaby
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Posted - 2004.09.14 14:42:00 -
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ok here my opinion
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH MWD
stop trying to ruin stuff that runs fine and makeing the game much more complicated.
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Jellybaby
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Posted - 2004.09.14 14:42:00 -
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ok here my opinion
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH MWD
stop trying to ruin stuff that runs fine and makeing the game much more complicated.
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KingsGambit
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Posted - 2004.09.14 14:49:00 -
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Sure, MWDs give frigs an unfair speed advantage and are far too overpowered. They should take away 99% shield and cap and boost the signature radius by 5000%
Webs are horrible and should also be nerfed, as they take away a ships speed, very unfair
And tracking enhancers are wrong too, because they *could* allow big guns to hit small targets
Warp Core Stabilisers are horribly overpowered because they might allow someone to warp away when you're trying to jam them
Maybe CCP should nerf everything then noone will be able to complain that something else is overpowered. If an MWD is so ungodly almighty and powerful, why not just use one? If it isn't that great, then what's the problem? 
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KingsGambit
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Posted - 2004.09.14 14:49:00 -
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Sure, MWDs give frigs an unfair speed advantage and are far too overpowered. They should take away 99% shield and cap and boost the signature radius by 5000%
Webs are horrible and should also be nerfed, as they take away a ships speed, very unfair
And tracking enhancers are wrong too, because they *could* allow big guns to hit small targets
Warp Core Stabilisers are horribly overpowered because they might allow someone to warp away when you're trying to jam them
Maybe CCP should nerf everything then noone will be able to complain that something else is overpowered. If an MWD is so ungodly almighty and powerful, why not just use one? If it isn't that great, then what's the problem?
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BYOC Crow Interceptor Deals |
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