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Almost Hum4n
Almost Human.
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Posted - 2012.05.14 05:14:00 -
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Vulix wrote:who the hell brags about killing a miner? This ^
And I would not expect a different outcome if a griefer wanted ransom for my stuff, griefers by nature are lazy and can not "work" for there own ISK therefore have to welfare it from others (those who can't taking from those who can), I would do my best to splod my own ship(s) before he got another easy no skill kill though. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
320
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Posted - 2012.05.14 05:16:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:That's a long way of saying, "I'm greedy. I'm keeping it." You could have saved all the typing. We all figured you would. That you felt it necessary to justify it in such lengthy terms means, you KNOW it's wrong, but you're doing it anyway. Once you agreed to free him for a price, and got overpaid and used that as an excuse to kill him anyway...we knew of what ilk you are.
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you BROUGHT DISHONOUR upon your family by not honouring a ransom in new eden, the fictional universe of the eve online video game eh |

Chukk Solo
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 05:26:00 -
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At first i was big deal you killed some guy and his ships.
But I think asking for a ransom and then killing him, kinda sucks. It doesn't effect me at all, but other pirates that need the ransom option gets ruined by pilots like you.
Either way you got some kills, nice bonus, hopefully that guy still wants to play. |

Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
60
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Posted - 2012.05.14 05:27:00 -
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I came, I saw, I lolled. |

Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
418
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Posted - 2012.05.14 06:43:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I am among those who believe that one's actions in EVE reflect upon one's real-life character
heh
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Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
446
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Posted - 2012.05.14 06:45:00 -
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I do not disagree with your decision, and I'm sure you made it after careful consideration. However, please do not invoke...
James 315 wrote:...the code of Bushido...
in a situation such as this.
Carry On. "If." |

Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
429
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Posted - 2012.05.14 06:50:00 -
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I wonder howmany blisters your right or left hand has from all the stroking you have been doing towards your E-Peen.
It must be a sad life you lead out there in the cold dark space that you must resort to this kind of posts to get a shimmer of light in your personal darkness.
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Testerxnot Sheepherder
Treasures Collectors Solar Citizens
346
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Posted - 2012.05.14 06:57:00 -
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I'd take great pleasure from seeing you perform seppuku, and I volunteer my services as your second. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.14 06:58:00 -
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Why isn't this picked up by eurogamer yet? 
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Fractals 4Lyfe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.05.14 07:00:00 -
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I support you, James315, in your efforts to punish high sec miners. Keep doing God's Work. |

Doctor Caprician
Laurentian Abyss
2
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Posted - 2012.05.14 07:00:00 -
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After reading all that drivel about a rather ridiculous subject from someone with a clearly inflated sense of importance, I can take from it only this:
Are you trying to convince us of your rationale, or yourself? |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
730
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Posted - 2012.05.14 07:01:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:That's a long way of saying, "I'm greedy. I'm keeping it." You could have saved all the typing. We all figured you would. That you felt it necessary to justify it in such lengthy terms means, you KNOW it's wrong, but you're doing it anyway. Once you agreed to free him for a price, and got overpaid and used that as an excuse to kill him anyway...we knew of what ilk you are.
Brought to you by People Against Posting Obvious BS in Attempts To Make Yourself Look Human. All rights reserved. you BROUGHT DISHONOUR upon your family by not honouring a ransom in new eden, the fictional universe of the eve online video game Ahaha, good stuff.
Thanks again for another great read James 315 Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Prop Wash
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 07:07:00 -
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As always, your wisdom is beyond reproach. I'm reminded of King Solomon, a firm adherent to the code of Bushido, when he said "If you love something, let it go. And if it comes back, that's how you know." Truly the miner did not love his Hulk and fail-fit Orca enough, and because of that and your actions he's probably quit the game or whatever. Peace. |

Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.05.14 07:09:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:That's a long way of saying, "I'm greedy. I'm keeping it." You could have saved all the typing. We all figured you would. That you felt it necessary to justify it in such lengthy terms means, you KNOW it's wrong, but you're doing it anyway. Once you agreed to free him for a price, and got overpaid and used that as an excuse to kill him anyway...we knew of what ilk you are.
Brought to you by People Against Posting Obvious BS in Attempts To Make Yourself Look Human. All rights reserved. you BROUGHT DISHONOUR upon your family by not honouring a ransom in new eden, the fictional universe of the eve online video game Ahaha, good stuff. Thanks again for another great read James 315
Ideally he should be sentenced to the boats for his crimes. The boats being both the man and the technique of torture, hopefully at the same time.
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ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
649
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Posted - 2012.05.14 07:15:00 -
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The 'oh he didn't actually pay the ransom because 900m isn't 90m' is a pretty bad reason, its not like he gave you 9m on accident, still its not like it was your fault he mashed the 0 button too many times. I would probobly only bother to pay back the 90m I just gotta go fast! |

greeny knight
Solar Storm Intrepid Crossing
3
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Posted - 2012.05.14 07:19:00 -
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i guess you where not alone or the miner /orcapilot is stupid
first of all never pay ransom to a pirate, i rather start the 2 min selfdestruct timer, sec if that orca din't have a t3 bc in ship maintenance array to counter pirats/gankers the miner don't deserve to fly a sexy ship like a orca  |

Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2012.05.14 07:19:00 -
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James 315 wrote:This weekend a controversial incident occurred in which I asked an orca pilot to pay a 90 million isk ransom and he sent me 900 million instead. Since he failed to pay what I asked, I was forced to kill his orca, the hulk he had parked alongside, and his pod, with damages totaling over 2 billion isk. However, he insisted that overpayment of a ransom should count as paying it, and we engaged in an extended discussion about whether my actions were honourable, and whether some reparations should be paid. Since I was not aware of any custom or precedent establishing the idea that overpayments satisfy ransom demands, the miner and I agreed the matter should be brought before his peers on this forum. He created a thread describing what occurred ( found here) and opened the floor to the general public to weigh in on the situation. Upon request, evidence of the incident including API-verified killmails and screenshots were provided. The debate in that thread has wound down, and I believe it has served its purpose. I have created this thread to avoid the outcome being buried in pages of previous replies, and to serve as a reference point for future use: I believe this is the first time the issue has been raised, so we're establishing some precedent here. The options presented me were essentially as follows: A. Keep everything, pay the miner nothing. B. Return the excess ransom (900m - 90m each for the orca and hulk). C. Return the excess ransom and reimburse the miner for the value of the ships/pod that should have been let go. Before I announce my verdict, I would like to address the concerns of some cynical players who believe that I never intended to reimburse the miner, and that this is some kind of "show trial." Let me be clear. I value my honour above all else. I am among those who believe that one's actions in EVE reflect upon one's real-life character, and aside from stealing 30 billion in the Currin Trading scam I have always sought to maintain the highest level of integrity and fairness throughout my EVE career. When my reputation is on the line, and when people question my commitment to the code of Bushido, I take it as seriously as a heart attack. Therefore, I want to stress that I did not come to this decision lightly. I gave this a lot of thought, and I am well aware that since this is a matter of first impression (to my knowledge), my decision here will have an impact on the future conduct of space piracy. To that end, I will provide a detailed justification for my verdict. Without further ado, my judgment is as follows: I have decided to keep all of the isk, and I will not reimburse the miner for any of the losses he incurred when I destroyed his ships/implants. Again, I would like to caution readers against assuming that I am being guided by selfishness or the desire to grief. This is not a case of "because I said so"; I believe one's actions should always be guided by enlightened reason. My verdict is based upon four separate grounds, which are as follows: #1. Public opinion. The miner and I agreed that we would put this issue to the forum. While some posters expressed a feeling that reimbursement was appropriate, the majority felt I should keep the isk and destroy a miner's ship regardless of whether he paid a ransom. A persuasive case was made by some that the miner was tempting fate by mining during Hulkageddon, and that his orca was fail-fit. #2. Failure to follow instructions. I specifically demanded the miner pay me a ransom of 90 million isk for each ship. He did not follow that instruction. Although the miner claimed it was a mistake, I gave him ample time to correct his mistake when I asked him again to send me the proper amount. It was only after he refused that I killed his ships and podded him. #3. Mathematical destiny. When a ship is destroyed, its modules (aside from rigs) have a 50% chance of dropping. Over the years, I have noticed that the "drop lottery" has tended to disfavor me. For some reason, it seems that the more valuable mods tend not to drop. Just a couple weeks ago, I killed a hulk with a faction invulnerability field worth about 400 million. Do you think it dropped? Of course not. But according to the law of large numbers, I shouldn't expect this kind of bad luck to continue. When the miner sent me 900 million by mistake, this was most likely an act of fate, balancing out all of my bad luck from before. I am therefore entitled to the isk. #4. Highsec miners must all be destroyed. As I explained in my recent manifestos, highsec miners pose an existential threat to EVE. By endlessly demanding nerfs to highsec violence and redistributing wealth from nullsec, the miners have caused extraordinary damage to EVE. If they are allowed to continue nerfing non-consensual PvP, they will remove EVE's central purpose, and CCP will go out of business. To save EVE from that fate, we must reduce the power of the carebears by reducing their numbers, and this is accomplished by making highsec mining less profitable--by causing economic damage to the miners and increasing the risk of their profession. The simple fact is that the miner I killed was caught red-handed taking ore from a belt in highsec. It may not be against the EULA to do this, but it is a counter-revolutionary act for which I have absolutely no patience. Once he trained his mining laser on that first chunk of ore, he forfeited all of his rights. I hope that everyone can respect this decision. Regardless, it is final. - 315
James 315, you come across as a smug player writing a long self satisfied post.
No one cares except maybe the other player involved. You want fries with that? |

Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.14 07:31:00 -
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oooohh this is so exciting. I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.05.14 07:33:00 -
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Clearly, his reasoning is beyond reproach, as none have even attempted to argue against it. What's more, it is not James315 who has made this decision. Did he not place this before the court of public opinion? Did we not decide that his actions were correct and just? Do these pitiful worms, insulting this truly honorable man, believe themselves to be greater than the rest of us? No, my good friends, clearly justices was honorably pursued today. |

Selene Theron
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.05.14 07:38:00 -
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Great...Yet another: Hey i got a massive e-peen. Now watch me stroke it, thread.
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Calvin Firenze
GODHC INTERSTELLAR FLEET Primal Force
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 07:45:00 -
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Just goes to show there aren't any decent people left in the world. I'd have credited him the difference and let him go. Your justification is pretty lame by any standards.
Having a little integrity is a thing of the past obviously. When I pirated full time I enjoyed the trusted status of honoring ransoms. Once I sold a tower back to a guy I ganked and then he paid me to escort him to where he was anchoring. Of course I honored the "contract."
As a man your word is the most important thing you have. If you violate that you've got nothing, even if you have all the isk in the world. Nobody will trust you. |

Tomcio FromFarAway
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.14 07:54:00 -
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Oh dear, you do have some serious issues with yourself.
As for the topic - what you did was perfectly valid in this universe. No one, who possess fundamental common sense, should believe that ransoms are to be honoured in this game. There are some groups ( like Tundragon ) who actually honour them but they are a notable exception and one of the last true pirate organizations in this world.
Just name the things as they really are : You are a suicide ganker, nothing more. You don't even have the balls to admit that. Other suicide gankers don't try to explain themselves. They just do what they do and it is all fine and dandy ( nothing against them ). You are trying so hard to justify and apply some higher meaning to your actions while in reality it is only about lulz, iskies and tears, nothing more.
So you are : gutless prick, who can't even admit, who he really is or mentally unstable individual, who needs professional assistance ASAP ( if you really believe in what you are saying )
PS. Placing 'honour' and 'James 315' in one sentence should be a bannable offence at the very least. |

Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
15
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Posted - 2012.05.14 08:11:00 -
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Quote:aside from stealing 30 billion in the Currin Trading scam I have always sought to maintain the highest level of integrity and fairness throughout my EVE career. When my reputation is on the line, and when people question my commitment to the code of Bushido, I take it as seriously as a heart attack
Too much e-peen stroking, too little anything remotely interesting.
Yes, you did the right thing keeping the money. Yes, you would have done the right thing by giving it back, too.
Who cares? |

Serptimis
The Fiction Factory Blue Nation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.14 08:21:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:Quote:aside from stealing 30 billion in the Currin Trading scam I have always sought to maintain the highest level of integrity and fairness throughout my EVE career. When my reputation is on the line, and when people question my commitment to the code of Bushido, I take it as seriously as a heart attack Too much e-peen stroking, too little anything remotely interesting. Yes, you did the right thing keeping the money. Yes, you would have done the right thing by giving it back, too. Who cares?
non of us actually care, but since when did that ever stop forum posting? |

Josef Djugashvilis
159
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Posted - 2012.05.14 08:22:00 -
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James just has to be taking the pi*s
I hope so for his sake. You want fries with that? |

Vanell Draeko
LightningStrikesTwice Elemental Tide
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 08:28:00 -
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Fail |

D3F4ULT
71
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Posted - 2012.05.14 08:29:00 -
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oh look, high sec. Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs ) |

Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
17
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Posted - 2012.05.14 10:44:00 -
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Never pay a ransom.
End of story When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |

J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
351
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Posted - 2012.05.14 11:11:00 -
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I fail to see the point of 2 threads full of :words: about something you would not have done anyways. This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |

Obnoxious Fly
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 11:40:00 -
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This is bullish. A true gent would have returned 90 million for failing to uphold his part or the agreement.
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