noonecares

This is why EVE should not be a niche game.

Our forums are just as ****** as WoW's

This weekend a controversial incident occurred in which I asked an orca pilot to pay a 90 million isk ransom and he sent me 900 million instead.

he paid the ransom and gave you an 810m tip for being nice and offering him a ransom in the first place.

shame on you!

#2. Failure to follow instructions. I specifically demanded the miner pay me a ransom of 90 million isk for each ship. He did not follow that instruction. Although the miner claimed it was a mistake, I gave him ample time to correct his mistake when I asked him again to send me the proper amount. It was only after he refused that I killed his ships and podded him.

Like Tom Gerard, James 315 talks just so he can hear is own voice and gets aroused by it after reading a loud his own post.

That's a long way of saying, "I'm greedy. I'm keeping it." You could have saved all the typing. We all figured you would. That you felt it necessary to justify it in such lengthy terms means, you KNOW it's wrong, but you're doing it anyway. Once you agreed to free him for a price, and got overpaid and used that as an excuse to kill him anyway...we knew of what ilk you are.

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who the hell brags about killing a miner?

That's a long way of saying, "I'm greedy. I'm keeping it." You could have saved all the typing. We all figured you would. That you felt it necessary to justify it in such lengthy terms means, you KNOW it's wrong, but you're doing it anyway. Once you agreed to free him for a price, and got overpaid and used that as an excuse to kill him anyway...we knew of what ilk you are.

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I am among those who believe that one's actions in EVE reflect upon one's real-life character

...the code of Bushido...

you BROUGHT DISHONOUR upon your family by not honouring a ransom in new eden, the fictional universe of the eve online video game

Ahaha, good stuff.

Thanks again for another great read James 315

This weekend a controversial incident occurred in which I asked an orca pilot to pay a 90 million isk ransom and he sent me 900 million instead. Since he failed to pay what I asked, I was forced to kill his orca, the hulk he had parked alongside, and his pod, with damages totaling over 2 billion isk. However, he insisted that overpayment of a ransom should count as paying it, and we engaged in an extended discussion about whether my actions were honourable, and whether some reparations should be paid.

Since I was not aware of any custom or precedent establishing the idea that overpayments satisfy ransom demands, the miner and I agreed the matter should be brought before his peers on this forum. He created a thread describing what occurred (found here) and opened the floor to the general public to weigh in on the situation. Upon request, evidence of the incident including API-verified killmails and screenshots were provided.

The debate in that thread has wound down, and I believe it has served its purpose. I have created this thread to avoid the outcome being buried in pages of previous replies, and to serve as a reference point for future use: I believe this is the first time the issue has been raised, so we're establishing some precedent here.

The options presented me were essentially as follows:

A. Keep everything, pay the miner nothing.
B. Return the excess ransom (900m - 90m each for the orca and hulk).
C. Return the excess ransom and reimburse the miner for the value of the ships/pod that should have been let go.

Before I announce my verdict, I would like to address the concerns of some cynical players who believe that I never intended to reimburse the miner, and that this is some kind of "show trial." Let me be clear. I value my honour above all else. I am among those who believe that one's actions in EVE reflect upon one's real-life character, and aside from stealing 30 billion in the Currin Trading scam I have always sought to maintain the highest level of integrity and fairness throughout my EVE career. When my reputation is on the line, and when people question my commitment to the code of Bushido, I take it as seriously as a heart attack.

Therefore, I want to stress that I did not come to this decision lightly. I gave this a lot of thought, and I am well aware that since this is a matter of first impression (to my knowledge), my decision here will have an impact on the future conduct of space piracy. To that end, I will provide a detailed justification for my verdict.

Without further ado, my judgment is as follows:

I have decided to keep all of the isk, and I will not reimburse the miner for any of the losses he incurred when I destroyed his ships/implants.

Again, I would like to caution readers against assuming that I am being guided by selfishness or the desire to grief. This is not a case of "because I said so"; I believe one's actions should always be guided by enlightened reason. My verdict is based upon four separate grounds, which are as follows:

#1. Public opinion. The miner and I agreed that we would put this issue to the forum. While some posters expressed a feeling that reimbursement was appropriate, the majority felt I should keep the isk and destroy a miner's ship regardless of whether he paid a ransom. A persuasive case was made by some that the miner was tempting fate by mining during Hulkageddon, and that his orca was fail-fit.

#2. Failure to follow instructions. I specifically demanded the miner pay me a ransom of 90 million isk for each ship. He did not follow that instruction. Although the miner claimed it was a mistake, I gave him ample time to correct his mistake when I asked him again to send me the proper amount. It was only after he refused that I killed his ships and podded him.

#3. Mathematical destiny. When a ship is destroyed, its modules (aside from rigs) have a 50% chance of dropping. Over the years, I have noticed that the "drop lottery" has tended to disfavor me. For some reason, it seems that the more valuable mods tend not to drop. Just a couple weeks ago, I killed a hulk with a faction invulnerability field worth about 400 million. Do you think it dropped? Of course not. But according to the law of large numbers, I shouldn't expect this kind of bad luck to continue. When the miner sent me 900 million by mistake, this was most likely an act of fate, balancing out all of my bad luck from before. I am therefore entitled to the isk.

#4. Highsec miners must all be destroyed. As I explained in my recent manifestos, highsec miners pose an existential threat to EVE. By endlessly demanding nerfs to highsec violence and redistributing wealth from nullsec, the miners have caused extraordinary damage to EVE. If they are allowed to continue nerfing non-consensual PvP, they will remove EVE's central purpose, and CCP will go out of business. To save EVE from that fate, we must reduce the power of the carebears by reducing their numbers, and this is accomplished by making highsec mining less profitable--by causing economic damage to the miners and increasing the risk of their profession. The simple fact is that the miner I killed was caught red-handed taking ore from a belt in highsec. It may not be against the EULA to do this, but it is a counter-revolutionary act for which I have absolutely no patience. Once he trained his mining laser on that first chunk of ore, he forfeited all of his rights.

I hope that everyone can respect this decision. Regardless, it is final.

- 315

aside from stealing 30 billion in the Currin Trading scam I have always sought to maintain the highest level of integrity and fairness throughout my EVE career. When my reputation is on the line, and when people question my commitment to the code of Bushido, I take it as seriously as a heart attack

Too much e-peen stroking, too little anything remotely interesting.

Yes, you did the right thing keeping the money. Yes, you would have done the right thing by giving it back, too.

Who cares?

aside from stealing 30 billion in the Currin Trading scam I have always sought to maintain the highest level of integrity and fairness

The word "contradiction" pops to mind.

P.S. Why doesn't anyone every accidentally send me 810 million ISK?

Why all the hate for James315? This man is what EVE is all about. Either you are the hunter or you are the hunted. There is nothing in between. Read his gospel. Learn it. Live it. You can either profit or die. The choice is yours.

Maybe because someone payed 10 times the actual ransom and still got killed and podded. Coming up with "he didn't pay me the exact amount" as an excuse to break the agreement is really lame and shows no honor.

So moral of the story is if you interact with James315, dont believe a word he says....


Tal

Why all the hate for James315? This man is what EVE is all about.

Eve is all about writing long-winded posts about scamming people? Spose you're right.

"Pirates" who dont honor ransom are sad. EVE has evolved that way tho. Why anyone would even consider paying these days is truly beyond me tbh.

The whole "honourable" bladiebla is an embarrasement for the writer. I consider it an insult.

That is not how I see it. James315 did not get paid what he asked for and was put in a position that would compromise his principles. It is not his fault the miner couldn't count properly.

This is why you don't pay ransoms, ever.

If you are caught, maybe try to appeal to your attacker, but expect to lose your ship and cargo and get ready to warp your pod out.

That is not how I see it. James315 did not get paid what he asked for and was put in a position that would compromise his principles. It is not his fault the miner couldn't count properly.

Ginseng Jita comfirmed for James315 alt.

That is not how I see it. James315 did not get paid what he asked for and was put in a position that would compromise his principles. It is not his fault the miner couldn't count properly.

Nice alt

This OP is a PERFECT example of why this game is a joke.

Get something else to do with your time. Quit this game without waiting one more minute.

FINAL = You are playing with real people folks, so think outside your little Sandbox PVP crap and try to make the game more enjoyable for the players you interact with. If you find joy in pissing people off as this OP did, you have a mental disorder and need professional help.

Peace..... and I love every one of you with all of my heart...truly!!!

...

Before I announce my verdict, I would like to address the concerns of some cynical players who believe that I never intended to reimburse the miner, and that this is some kind of "show trial." Let me be clear. I value my honour above all else. I am among those who believe that one's actions in EVE reflect upon one's real-life character, and aside from stealing 30 billion in the Currin Trading scam I have always sought to maintain the highest level of integrity and fairness throughout my EVE career. When my reputation is on the line, and when people question my commitment to the code of Bushido, I take it as seriously as a heart attack.

...

- 315

zero fucks were given..

A bragging NPC alt talking about carebears? Wow.

Let me be clear. I value my honour above all else. I am among those who believe that one's actions in EVE reflect upon one's real-life character.

This weekend a controversial incident occurred in which I asked an orca pilot to pay a 90 million isk ransom and he sent me 900 million instead. Since he failed to pay what I asked, I was forced to kill his orca, the hulk he had parked alongside, and his pod, with damages totaling over 2 billion isk. However, he insisted that overpayment of a ransom should count as paying it, and we engaged in an extended discussion about whether my actions were honourable, and whether some reparations should be paid.

Since I was not aware of any custom or precedent establishing the idea that overpayments satisfy ransom demands, the miner and I agreed the matter should be brought before his peers on this forum. He created a thread describing what occurred (found here) and opened the floor to the general public to weigh in on the situation. Upon request, evidence of the incident including API-verified killmails and screenshots were provided.

The debate in that thread has wound down, and I believe it has served its purpose. I have created this thread to avoid the outcome being buried in pages of previous replies, and to serve as a reference point for future use: I believe this is the first time the issue has been raised, so we're establishing some precedent here.

The options presented me were essentially as follows:

A. Keep everything, pay the miner nothing.
B. Return the excess ransom (900m - 90m each for the orca and hulk).
C. Return the excess ransom and reimburse the miner for the value of the ships/pod that should have been let go.

Before I announce my verdict, I would like to address the concerns of some cynical players who believe that I never intended to reimburse the miner, and that this is some kind of "show trial." Let me be clear. I value my honour above all else. I am among those who believe that one's actions in EVE reflect upon one's real-life character, and aside from stealing 30 billion in the Currin Trading scam I have always sought to maintain the highest level of integrity and fairness throughout my EVE career. When my reputation is on the line, and when people question my commitment to the code of Bushido, I take it as seriously as a heart attack.

Therefore, I want to stress that I did not come to this decision lightly. I gave this a lot of thought, and I am well aware that since this is a matter of first impression (to my knowledge), my decision here will have an impact on the future conduct of space piracy. To that end, I will provide a detailed justification for my verdict.

Without further ado, my judgment is as follows:

I have decided to keep all of the isk, and I will not reimburse the miner for any of the losses he incurred when I destroyed his ships/implants.

Again, I would like to caution readers against assuming that I am being guided by selfishness or the desire to grief. This is not a case of "because I said so"; I believe one's actions should always be guided by enlightened reason. My verdict is based upon four separate grounds, which are as follows:

#1. Public opinion. The miner and I agreed that we would put this issue to the forum. While some posters expressed a feeling that reimbursement was appropriate, the majority felt I should keep the isk and destroy a miner's ship regardless of whether he paid a ransom. A persuasive case was made by some that the miner was tempting fate by mining during Hulkageddon, and that his orca was fail-fit.

#2. Failure to follow instructions. I specifically demanded the miner pay me a ransom of 90 million isk for each ship. He did not follow that instruction. Although the miner claimed it was a mistake, I gave him ample time to correct his mistake when I asked him again to send me the proper amount. It was only after he refused that I killed his ships and podded him.

#3. Mathematical destiny. When a ship is destroyed, its modules (aside from rigs) have a 50% chance of dropping. Over the years, I have noticed that the "drop lottery" has tended to disfavor me. For some reason, it seems that the more valuable mods tend not to drop. Just a couple weeks ago, I killed a hulk with a faction invulnerability field worth about 400 million. Do you think it dropped? Of course not. But according to the law of large numbers, I shouldn't expect this kind of bad luck to continue. When the miner sent me 900 million by mistake, this was most likely an act of fate, balancing out all of my bad luck from before. I am therefore entitled to the isk.

#4. Highsec miners must all be destroyed. As I explained in my recent manifestos, highsec miners pose an existential threat to EVE. By endlessly demanding nerfs to highsec violence and redistributing wealth from nullsec, the miners have caused extraordinary damage to EVE. If they are allowed to continue nerfing non-consensual PvP, they will remove EVE's central purpose, and CCP will go out of business. To save EVE from that fate, we must reduce the power of the carebears by reducing their numbers, and this is accomplished by making highsec mining less profitable--by causing economic damage to the miners and increasing the risk of their profession. The simple fact is that the miner I killed was caught red-handed taking ore from a belt in highsec. It may not be against the EULA to do this, but it is a counter-revolutionary act for which I have absolutely no patience. Once he trained his mining laser on that first chunk of ore, he forfeited all of his rights.

I hope that everyone can respect this decision. Regardless, it is final.

- 315

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That's a long way of saying, "I'm greedy. I'm keeping it." You could have saved all the typing. We all figured you would. That you felt it necessary to justify it in such lengthy terms means, you KNOW it's wrong, but you're doing it anyway. Once you agreed to free him for a price, and got overpaid and used that as an excuse to kill him anyway...we knew of what ilk you are.

noonecares

#2. Failure to follow instructions. I specifically demanded the miner pay me a ransom of 90 million isk for each ship. He did not follow that instruction.

The jury is in, VERDICT:
Re-tar-ded.

Who cares, play on.

#3. Mathematical destiny. When a ship is destroyed, its modules (aside from rigs) have a 50% chance of dropping. Over the years, I have noticed that the "drop lottery" has tended to disfavor me. For some reason, it seems that the more valuable mods tend not to drop. Just a couple weeks ago, I killed a hulk with a faction invulnerability field worth about 400 million. Do you think it dropped? Of course not. But according to the law of large numbers, I shouldn't expect this kind of bad luck to continue. When the miner sent me 900 million by mistake, this was most likely an act of fate, balancing out all of my bad luck from before. I am therefore entitled to the isk.

- 315

lol never pay a ramson never ever pay if they got you were they want you they will kick you anyway so never PAY!!
The pilot was a moron to belive you would let him go in the first place. people asking for ramson 99% kill you anyway. you got payed and he got the shaft hope he learn NEVER PAY!!

Are you a lawyer by profession, irl?

no honor