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amarrsuit	Posted - 2009.06.02 15:20:00 - [1] Ok, let's see how long it takes for this idea to be flamed, de-railed and finally ignored. C'mon people, THIS IS EVE! Issue: Un-fueled JBs. Cause: Corp in a master/serf alliance unable to fuel the overlords JBs (yea, yea sue us), too many ships using the JBs, etc. Solutions: 1) The "Toll" JB: Pay as you play. Essentially the JB owner can set a mass/price and to use the JB you have to pay the isk required for your ship type. 2) Fuel stations: Have a GSC that accepts Isk rather than a PW. You pay, you're able to remove X fuel (price set by owner) 3) The snack bar: GSC loaded with expendables (ammo, boosters, etc) for sale. Wait, wait, this asbestos suit takes time to get into.
Isaac Starstriker Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.06.02 17:56:00 - [2] Its not a terrible idea. Although an easy way to prevent players from using the JB too much is to "lock" the POS. (Which is available). I think #1 would probably be the best idea of the three. #2 would be close of course. #3 is not a good idea though. Keep that in Outposts/Stations. Overall, this makes sense to add to Eve, I don't see why not. We already can charge people to use Outposts, why not JBs? --Isaac
Drake Draconis Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.02 18:00:00 - [3] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 02/06/2009 18:00:34 Doesn't nerf JB's... just makes them rational enough to be useful... to a point. I've got no problems with it... interfacing and idea needs a bit of refinement.
De'Veldrin Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.06.02 18:05:00 - [4] This doesn't seem unreasonable to me. It might open a new revenue stream for alliances in nullsec too, if the JB offers a shorter and/or safer route to somewhere else.
Kesper North Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.06.02 23:19:00 - [5] I like this idea. This would be especially useful to us up in the Napfest North, where we need to move through one another's space quickly.
Forranz Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.06.02 23:24:00 - [6] I would support this, maybe add a feature so the Jump Bridge can allow Blues to add fuel to it. Even if they are not of the same alliance.
Rion Deteisan	Posted - 2009.06.03 02:28:00 - [7] good idea Possible Problem: What happens when you use the gate so much that you ignore the price; and then suddenly the owner decides to be a punk and charges a billion isk per jump?? (something they might do right before they leave an alliance)
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.06.03 16:25:00 - [8] Makes sense. Not sure about some of your proposed details(#3 is kind of unreasonable, for one), but something in this vein would be good.
Zastrow J	Posted - 2009.06.03 16:41:00 - [9] i don't want your isk, I want you to put ozone in my bridges so they don't run out. It's just another logistical hassle, especially with us bridging our capfleets around querious. I'd rather bridges be able to be set to allow non-alliance blues to put ozone in
amarrsuit	Posted - 2009.06.03 17:11:00 - [10] Zastrow, If you can get "landlords" of multi-component alliances to do that, I'm all for it! In our particular case, won't happen, ergo the "Toll" idea. Both ideas can exist, not exclusionary but complementary. May want to start another thread with that idea.
Verys The Black Ops Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.03 18:57:00 - [11] I wouldn't see why there shouldn't be an option to turn this on based on standing or corporations/alliances.
Awayuki Himeno	Posted - 2009.06.03 19:46:00 - [12] the Toll JB got my vote...or somthing of simillar design...
Alekseyev Karrde Noir.	Posted - 2009.06.03 20:00:00 - [13] Not unless they make bridges like cyno jammers: one a system --- Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
Backbone666 Evident Doom Brothers of Mayhem	Posted - 2009.06.03 20:42:00 - [14] 1) The "Toll" JB Very nice idea if CCP can make it work
Omendor Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.06.03 21:03:00 - [15] Edited by: Omendor on 03/06/2009 21:03:51 Edited by: Omendor on 03/06/2009 21:03:37 It's a very good idea. Maybe doable with few enhancements to game mechanics and high yield to many people! I espacially like that candy-bar use-case. Together with the recent anchored GSC cleanup on downtime this could prevent areas to get polluted. Of course it would be nice to be able to anchor such bars in permanent deadspace pockets not to forget their usage in wormholes! Even exploiting this idea (of course only in adherence of the EULA) may bring interesting possibilites. EVEs pirates will have lots of ideas for this, but i hope CONCORD will find a ways to prevent this.
Andres Talas	Posted - 2009.06.03 22:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Zastrow J i don't want your isk, I want you to put ozone in my bridges so they don't run out. It's just another logistical hassle, especially with us bridging our capfleets around querious. I'd rather bridges be able to be set to allow non-alliance blues to put ozone in /signed If you set this, then non-alliance blues should be able to steal the ozone too. No reward without risk yadda yadda
Alois Hammer Minmatar Dinochrome Brigade Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.06.03 23:13:00 - [17] thumbs up on #2 idea I LIKE IT !!!!!
BC Tank	Posted - 2009.06.03 23:35:00 - [18] Option one: if the bridges have always needed fuel then a break throu technology would have to be invented for a bridge never to need fuel, then if that were the case i think the inventers should be rewarded to some degree <<< not option one for me. Option two: a new pos array thats large enough to hold a supply of LO to see many fleets pass trou the bridge day after day for a cost, the vending machine idea i like but u still have the problem with lazy overlords so you might end up at square one. Option three: havent the foggey'est what this is And like the GOON CCP Overlord said, just let blues access the jumpbridge to fuel as u go <<<<<< \o/
mazzilliu	Posted - 2009.06.04 01:07:00 - [19] charge ozone not isk MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU.
Hector Pirensis The Blood Roses	Posted - 2009.06.04 01:44:00 - [20] <Signed> Great Idea! Bah Sig.
Temijin	Posted - 2009.06.04 04:31:00 - [21] OUTSTANDING IDEA!
amarrsuit	Posted - 2009.06.04 19:55:00 - [22] Edited by: amarrsuit on 04/06/2009 19:55:53 Thx for your support guys. Keep the feedback coming!
Barloch	Posted - 2009.06.04 20:00:00 - [23] We definitely need this feature to be strongly considered. Give it two thumbs up!
Purjo Dinochrome Brigade Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.06.04 20:17:00 - [24] sounds great, good idea.
Red Raider Airbourne Demons DeMoN's N AnGeL's	Posted - 2009.06.04 21:04:00 - [25] I like it. A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out.
CommanderBane	Posted - 2009.06.04 21:46:00 - [26] Sounds like a good idea to me
Klyria Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.06.04 23:13:00 - [27] I really like this idea.
Freon	Posted - 2009.06.05 04:49:00 - [28] I like your solutions Amarrsuit.
Ghola Bashar Dinochrome Brigade	Posted - 2009.06.05 08:43:00 - [29] Option 1 works for me. But, like others have said, I can see an owner getting everyone used to using it then jacking up the price in ozone/ISK. Just restrict access to the fuel section like some corp hangar tabs are restricted--i.e. read only. I would be more than willing to bring along ozone if/when needed to shorten my route. Some corps just aren't big enough to have a dedicated group of players/alts willing to fly around all day everyday keeping the bridges fueled. It would help out all around. If not a pay to use system, then at least allow any alliance member coming along with fuel to put it in.
Kayvonna 10045th Logistics Battalion Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.06.05 08:57:00 - [30] You got my vote, however why can't we just have the JB fuel in are cargo hold and have it taken out from their so we would not have to worry about anyone keeping them fueled.... Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato The most perfect political community is one in which the middle class is in control, and outnumbers both of the other classes. -Aristotle

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