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amarrsuit
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:20:00 -
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Ok, let's see how long it takes for this idea to be flamed, de-railed and finally ignored. C'mon people, THIS IS EVE!
Issue: Un-fueled JBs.
Cause: Corp in a master/serf alliance unable to fuel the overlords JBs (yea, yea sue us), too many ships using the JBs, etc.
Solutions:
1) The "Toll" JB: Pay as you play. Essentially the JB owner can set a mass/price and to use the JB you have to pay the isk required for your ship type.
2) Fuel stations: Have a GSC that accepts Isk rather than a PW. You pay, you're able to remove X fuel (price set by owner)
3) The snack bar: GSC loaded with expendables (ammo, boosters, etc) for sale.
Wait, wait, this asbestos suit takes time to get into.
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Isaac Starstriker
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:56:00 -
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Its not a terrible idea. Although an easy way to prevent players from using the JB too much is to "lock" the POS. (Which is available).
I think #1 would probably be the best idea of the three. #2 would be close of course. #3 is not a good idea though. Keep that in Outposts/Stations.
Overall, this makes sense to add to Eve, I don't see why not. We already can charge people to use Outposts, why not JBs?
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Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.06.02 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 02/06/2009 18:00:34
Doesn't nerf JB's... just makes them rational enough to be useful... to a point.
I've got no problems with it... interfacing and idea needs a bit of refinement. |
De'Veldrin
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.06.02 18:05:00 -
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This doesn't seem unreasonable to me. It might open a new revenue stream for alliances in nullsec too, if the JB offers a shorter and/or safer route to somewhere else.
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Kesper North
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.02 23:19:00 -
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I like this idea. This would be especially useful to us up in the Napfest North, where we need to move through one another's space quickly.
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Forranz
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.06.02 23:24:00 -
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I would support this, maybe add a feature so the Jump Bridge can allow Blues to add fuel to it. Even if they are not of the same alliance.
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Rion Deteisan
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:28:00 -
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good idea
Possible Problem:
What happens when you use the gate so much that you ignore the price; and then suddenly the owner decides to be a punk and charges a billion isk per jump?? (something they might do right before they leave an alliance)
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.06.03 16:25:00 -
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Makes sense. Not sure about some of your proposed details(#3 is kind of unreasonable, for one), but something in this vein would be good.
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Zastrow J
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Posted - 2009.06.03 16:41:00 -
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i don't want your isk, I want you to put ozone in my bridges so they don't run out. It's just another logistical hassle, especially with us bridging our capfleets around querious. I'd rather bridges be able to be set to allow non-alliance blues to put ozone in
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amarrsuit
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Posted - 2009.06.03 17:11:00 -
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Zastrow,
If you can get "landlords" of multi-component alliances to do that, I'm all for it! In our particular case, won't happen, ergo the "Toll" idea. Both ideas can exist, not exclusionary but complementary. May want to start another thread with that idea.
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Verys
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.03 18:57:00 -
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I wouldn't see why there shouldn't be an option to turn this on based on standing or corporations/alliances.
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Awayuki Himeno
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Posted - 2009.06.03 19:46:00 -
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the Toll JB got my vote...or somthing of simillar design...
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.06.03 20:00:00 -
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Not unless they make bridges like cyno jammers: one a system
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Backbone666
Evident Doom
Brothers of Mayhem
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Posted - 2009.06.03 20:42:00 -
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1) The "Toll" JB
Very nice idea if CCP can make it work
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Omendor
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.06.03 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Omendor on 03/06/2009 21:03:51
Edited by: Omendor on 03/06/2009 21:03:37
It's a very good idea. Maybe doable with few enhancements to game mechanics and high yield to many people!
I espacially like that candy-bar use-case. Together with the recent anchored GSC cleanup on downtime this could prevent areas to get polluted.
Of course it would be nice to be able to anchor such bars in permanent deadspace pockets not to forget their usage in wormholes!
Even exploiting this idea (of course only in adherence of the EULA) may bring interesting possibilites. EVEs pirates will have lots of ideas for this, but i hope CONCORD will find a ways to prevent this.
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Andres Talas
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Posted - 2009.06.03 22:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Zastrow J
i don't want your isk, I want you to put ozone in my bridges so they don't run out. It's just another logistical hassle, especially with us bridging our capfleets around querious. I'd rather bridges be able to be set to allow non-alliance blues to put ozone in
/signed
If you set this, then non-alliance blues should be able to steal the ozone too. No reward without risk yadda yadda
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Alois Hammer
Minmatar
Dinochrome Brigade
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.06.03 23:13:00 -
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thumbs up on #2 idea
I LIKE IT !!!!!
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BC Tank
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Posted - 2009.06.03 23:35:00 -
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Option one: if the bridges have always needed fuel then a break throu technology would have to be invented for a bridge never to need fuel, then if that were the case i think the inventers should be rewarded to some degree <<< not option one for me.
Option two: a new pos array thats large enough to hold a supply of LO to see many fleets pass trou the bridge day after day for a cost, the vending machine idea i like but u still have the problem with lazy overlords so you might end up at square one.
Option three: havent the foggey'est what this is
And like the GOON CCP Overlord said, just let blues access the jumpbridge to fuel as u go <<<<<< \o/
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2009.06.04 01:07:00 -
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charge ozone not isk
MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU. |
Hector Pirensis
The Blood Roses
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Posted - 2009.06.04 01:44:00 -
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<Signed> Great Idea!
Bah Sig. |
Temijin
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Posted - 2009.06.04 04:31:00 -
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OUTSTANDING IDEA!
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amarrsuit
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Posted - 2009.06.04 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: amarrsuit on 04/06/2009 19:55:53
Thx for your support guys. Keep the feedback coming! |
Barloch
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Posted - 2009.06.04 20:00:00 -
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We definitely need this feature to be strongly considered. Give it two thumbs up! |
Purjo
Dinochrome Brigade
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.06.04 20:17:00 -
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sounds great, good idea.
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Red Raider
Airbourne Demons
DeMoN's N AnGeL's
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Posted - 2009.06.04 21:04:00 -
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I like it.
A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out. |
CommanderBane
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Posted - 2009.06.04 21:46:00 -
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Sounds like a good idea to me
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Klyria
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.06.04 23:13:00 -
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I really like this idea.
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Freon
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Posted - 2009.06.05 04:49:00 -
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I like your solutions Amarrsuit. |
Ghola Bashar
Dinochrome Brigade
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Posted - 2009.06.05 08:43:00 -
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Option 1 works for me. But, like others have said, I can see an owner getting everyone used to using it then jacking up the price in ozone/ISK. Just restrict access to the fuel section like some corp hangar tabs are restricted--i.e. read only. I would be more than willing to bring along ozone if/when needed to shorten my route. Some corps just aren't big enough to have a dedicated group of players/alts willing to fly around all day everyday keeping the bridges fueled. It would help out all around. If not a pay to use system, then at least allow any alliance member coming along with fuel to put it in.
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Kayvonna
10045th Logistics Battalion
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.06.05 08:57:00 -
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You got my vote, however why can't we just have the JB fuel in are cargo hold and have it taken out from their so we would not have to worry about anyone keeping them fueled....
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
-Plato
The most perfect political community is one in which the middle class is in control, and outnumbers both of the other classes.
-Aristotle
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BlondieBC
Ardent Industrial
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.05 15:41:00 -
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Good idea
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sgt destructo
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Posted - 2009.06.05 16:34:00 -
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I like the first idea, so simple too
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Kralin Ignatov
Mentis Fidelis
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
charge ozone not isk
this |
Uncle Jon
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:42:00 -
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Is it possible to setup a JB as you would a Corp Hangar tax tab, allowing everyone/anyone to put stuff in, while only allowing certain people to take stuff out? Paying ISK would be a decent idea, as long as it would guarantee that the JB would be fueled at all times, which it won't. Then there's the issue with price gouging. I would support the option that I previously stated, but I guess anything would be better than the current setup. |
amarrsuit
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Posted - 2009.06.06 03:19:00 -
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Edited by: amarrsuit on 06/06/2009 03:21:30
How it happens game mechanics-wise isn't as important as making sure the JBs are accessible more often than not as is presently the case. Keep those ideas coming! Thx! |
Mos7Wan7ed
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Posted - 2009.06.06 04:19:00 -
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Edited by: Mos7Wan7ed on 06/06/2009 04:23:03
i like the idea of the jb being able to be standing based and not requiring a password. with our without tolls it's a good idea.
corp owning the tower having an option to set up tolls based on the mass of the ship traveling. also a great idea with our without standing/password usage this is also a good idea.
with both in combination this can make fast and efficient travel for the friendlies allowed with appropriate standing, without the feeling your shorting the corp that is spending the time to do the logistics and is paying for the fuel.
at the very least allowing standing based access to the jb cargo to put in fuel is a good idea as well.
right now the only options are painful, either leading to outages that can last hours or slow go travel through bridges that are suppose to speed up travel. |
amarrsuit
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Posted - 2009.06.07 18:15:00 -
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Looks like we've run out of steam on this. Thanks for everyone's support. Let's hope our illustrious CSM's raise this issue with CCP in between Vodkas shots in Reykjavik 
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Korerin Mayul
The R.I.T.U.A.L Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.08 17:53:00 -
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supported |
Jen Ku
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Posted - 2009.06.08 21:59:00 -
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Got my vote
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Libby Foxtrot
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Posted - 2009.06.08 21:59:00 -
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Very Supported!
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Kytanos Termek
Darkstorm Command
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.06.11 06:52:00 -
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I like the idea, but their must be a quick and easy way to turn it off, or temporarily disable it, So when your trying to move a capfleet or titan around, it doesn't cost your cap pilots an arm and a leg. |
amarrsuit
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Posted - 2009.06.15 08:24:00 -
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one last /bump Thx for all the responses. Hopefully this will happen. |
Syringe
Oedipus Complex
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Posted - 2009.06.15 16:28:00 -
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makes sense. I'd like to see it implemented in a way that was directed towards compensation rather than profit generation, but I can't think of any way to do this. JBs will quickly turn into ISK generators, which isn't the worst thing that could happen.
/signed
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War isn't the answer. However, the objective isn't to provide answers rather than eliminate the question. |
amarrsuit
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Posted - 2009.06.19 19:45:00 -
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/bump
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Leyline777
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.20 04:04:00 -
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even though i dont go 0.0 this sounds like a great idea. I like the idea of isk based as that removes some of the logistical nightmares of moving ozone. |
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