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Terrus Valkin
Gallente
ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2009.06.03 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Terrus Valkin on 03/06/2009 01:46:31
So my corp is a highsec-based exploration and PvP corp, right? Right. We love a mix of lowsec roaming, wormhole sleeper trips, and w-space ganking. Not above a good fight every now and again if the inhabitants wisen up to our intentions first. And to be honest, none of us give a damn about normal space sites, and we never have - they're an outdated and unprofitable heap of junk most of the time. But recently, CCP decided to stick its Nerf Fist (distance cousin of the Pimp Hand) deep inside the poor virginal rectum of players like me, by 'balancing' wormhole spawns. Hell, I'd call it nerfing even. Ruining is probably the best term. Whatever way I try to describe it, I can feel CCP's fingers tickling my appendix, and I don't like it.
Just because we live in highsec doesn't mean we're nubcake carebears who love endless spawns of POS-filled class 1/2/3 wormholes. Which, by the way, is exactly what we're finding, IF - and that's a big IF - the gravimetric, radar, and magnetometric sites don't outnumber the wormholes 5:1 and prevent us from finding anything meaningful at all.
And yet even then, even if the signature IS a wormhole, the wormholes seem to have a massive chance of not actually leading to w-space. So, say my corp is looking for class 3-5 wormholes, preferrably with no POS inside (which is omfg-rare nowadays it seems). We have to sift through the newly "balanced" levels of worthless magneto, radar, and grav sites (grav sites that pale, PALE!! in comparison to even the weakest wormhole grav site, and I'm not even a miner), all of the wormholes leading to highsec, all of the wormholes leading to classes 1 and 2, and most of the wormholes with POSs in them because their inhabitants absolutely devastate the anomalies and sigs.
This actually didn't use to be a problem for some reason, maybe because wormholes of all types could spawn anywhere and did so in great abundance. I found a class 5 in Meves ones, and a class 6 in Eglennaert I believe. And so many class 3/4/5s with no POS inside! It was heaven! My corp and I loved it. It was about 2 weeks of paradise starting with the reduction in wormhole grav/ladar spawns and ending with the sudden meganerf that I seem to be witnessing.
So what happened? It was great! Then all of a sudden hear come the Haunted Yards and the Terrible Ore Deposits and the Serpentis Shipwrecks, and A641s and the X702s (which are class 3s with TERRIBLE mass allowances which are almost certain to be collapsed before you get out with your fleet). Oh, and did I mention the unshakeable POSs that you can't destroy? I've even extended my search to a dozen local lowsecs and their border systems recently and I'm getting jack diddly. I found ONE class 5 that collapsed on me in Old Man Star and didn't open another lowsec/highsec entrance. 48 jump return through Catch FTL.
Call me a carebear but is it wrong to want to try and take advantage of wormholes without having to actually LIVE there? Hell, I just like shipping all that loot to Jita and making a quick buck. But damn it, I just can't do that when you give me this... rubbish! For the love of god CCP, take the suck out of highsec/lowsec exploration - and even exploration in general - and give us some of the awesome back. Improve the number of wormhole spawns, link some highsec wormholes to more dangerous w-space, just reduce the ratio of normal exploration sites to wormholes, something, Jesus. I'm bored out of my damn mind waiting to find something worth running, and so is my corp.
If I find another Haunted Yard I think I'm going to explode.
The nerf was subtle at first sure, but I CAN'T be the only person noticing this. Am I alone?
(No, you can't have my stuff)
Originally posted in: Missions and Complexes.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.03 01:52:00 -
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Pomp FTW!!! |
Terrus Valkin
Gallente
ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2009.06.03 01:54:00 -
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That is not a small violin.
-CEO of AC-AF- |
Jobby
Minmatar
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.06.03 01:55:00 -
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I read some of it, I'm taking a break before tackling the rest.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.03 01:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Terrus Valkin
That is not a small violin.
This one's pretty small
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.06.03 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin
Edited by: Terrus Valkin on 03/06/2009 01:46:31
So my corp is a highsec-based exploration and PvP corp, right?
I stopped reading right there.. that's silly.
~ Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic |
Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:00:00 -
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Well ok. Risk vs reward ...
If you want to find better w-holes .. try looking for them in low sec / 0.0.
I don't want your stuff .. its rusted from all the weeping.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:00:00 -
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I was going to read the whole thing but my whine-o-meter just went ballistic and I couldn't finish your rant.
sorry.
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Terrus Valkin
Gallente
ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker
Originally by: Terrus Valkin
That is not a small violin.
This one's pretty small
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/images/scientists-discover_nanoviolin
Smaller.
-CEO of AC-AF- |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:06:00 -
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My stats for scanning in the last week;
Signatures total; 361
Wormhole Count; 214
Ladar Count; 9
Magnetometric Count; 17
Radar Count; 13
Gravimetric Count; 89 (Lol, nobody wants them)
Misc/Plex; 19 (Only one of which escalated and dragged me about 30 jumps total through pirate central, aka, Genesis, but a nice 100m for killing a total of 8 ships.)
Scanned Unique Systems; 47
High-sec (0.6/0.5); 21
Low-Sec (0.4-0.1); 17
Null-Sec (0.0, crappy trusec); 9
Average scanning hours; 3pm GMT - 9pm GMT.
Just food for thought.
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Terrus Valkin
Gallente
ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
My stats for scanning in the last week;
Signatures total; 361
Wormhole Count; 214
Ladar Count; 9
Magnetometric Count; 17
Radar Count; 13
Gravimetric Count; 89 (Lol, nobody wants them)
Misc/Plex; 19 (Only one of which escalated and dragged me about 30 jumps total through pirate central, aka, Genesis, but a nice 100m for killing a total of 8 ships.)
Scanned Unique Systems; 47
High-sec (0.6/0.5); 21
Low-Sec (0.4-0.1); 17
Null-Sec (0.0, crappy trusec); 9
Average scanning hours; 3pm GMT - 9pm GMT.
Just food for thought.
Results may vary.
-_-
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Eventy One
Well ok. Risk vs reward ...
If you want to find better w-holes .. try looking for them in low sec / 0.0.
I don't want your stuff .. its rusted from all the weeping.
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Pomp FTW!!! |
Terrus Valkin
Gallente
ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:12:00 -
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Considering how many replies (all of them?) are ripping on me, this thread is oddly fun.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin
Considering how many replies (all of them?) are ripping on me, this thread is oddly fun.
That's what happens when anyone detects a whine around here 
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Terrus Valkin
Gallente
ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker
Originally by: Terrus Valkin
Considering how many replies (all of them?) are ripping on me, this thread is oddly fun.
That's what happens when anyone detects a whine around here
True, true. Also, I hear North Korea is an awesome place to be this time of year.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:16:00 -
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It will be after it becomes a giant glass bowl 
Pomp FTW!!! |
Terrus Valkin
Gallente
ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:19:00 -
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Sounds like it'll have a nice view.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin
Considering how many replies (all of them?) are ripping on me, this thread is oddly fun.
I just posted numbers *shrug* Wasn't ripping on you. If i ripped on you it would stink. Badly. I ate curry and then eggs.
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Terrus Valkin
Gallente
ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:26:00 -
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The question mark is the functional equivalent of a "margin of error" measurement.
-CEO of AC-AF- |
PostmasterGeneral
Minmatar
yo i'm posting
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:39:00 -
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came in expecting a fisting discussion
left disappointed
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: PostmasterGeneral
came in expecting a fisting discussion
left disappointed
i was expecting another "why is CCP banning me for being a terrible poster in CAOD" goonswarm post
i'm ok with it not being that, tbh
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Lonzo Kincaid
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.06.03 03:01:00 -
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can i have the tl;dr version anyone?
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Bo'Tox
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.03 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Gravimetric Count; 89 (Lol, nobody wants them)
Actually, I like them... Makes a change from all the mined out asteroi dbelts.. plus the bonus ores make it even better...
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2009.06.03 03:11:00 -
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Whilst any wormhole type and class can spawn anywhere, I think the system is weighted so that high sec gets c1 - c3 and transit types for the most part with the others being rather rare (possibly from a fixed pool?).
Of course for three days solid I found a wormhole called K162 in different systems around my normal stomping grounds which led to Minmatar high-sec, a class 1 (camped) and finally a class 3 (just me and my Drake) before it went somewhere I didn't. So just because you find the same named thing doesn't mean it's going to act the same as it did yesterday.
To be quite honest most people in high-sec don't seem to be bothering with wormholes; so it's surprising you've found so many with POS's in them when comming from empire space. I've only found 1 that had people in it out of all the ones I've been in, so I think you're being unlucky.
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SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.03 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: SpaceSquirrels on 03/06/2009 03:24:03
I see from your title, and actual substance of your post...you have an anal fascination/fetish. Freud would say you weren't properly potty trained as a child or something such as that.... to be fair to you though Freud is over rated.
oh and I uh agree with most of what you're saying.
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What the frak are you talking about?
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2009.06.03 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: PostmasterGeneral
came in expecting a fisting discussion
left disappointed
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The true meaning of CCP; Completely Crap Patches.
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Troye
Gallente
Intelligent Concepts Inc
SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2009.06.03 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: SupaKudoRio
Originally by: PostmasterGeneral
came in expecting a fisting discussion
left disappointed
He mentions the tickling of apendixes and virginal rectums and incorporates it into a long winded, drawn out rant, what more do you people want?
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.03 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lonzo Kincaid
can i have the tl;dr version anyone?
Stuff more stuff. Wormholes are annoying cause ppl are living there. WAaaaaaiiiii... FIX IT
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Auron Truthseeker
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Posted - 2009.06.03 06:23:00 -
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Ignore the trolls please, they don't have anything better to do 
You're right, the wormhole acces from highsec is very messed up nowadays, I've been scanning since the holes were first introduced and watched it get worse every week.
I haven't made any measurements of my finds, but I think it's a good estimate that 9/10 highsec womrholes I find (usually class 1 and 2, occasionally 3) are gaurded by a pos camped by a corp.
This is just another form of sovereignity, but without a way to fight it. And it causes any roaming gang for wormhole exploration a lot of difficulties in my opinion
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.03 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Auron Truthseeker
Ignore the trolls please, they don't have anything better to do
You're right, the wormhole acces from highsec is very messed up nowadays, I've been scanning since the holes were first introduced and watched it get worse every week.
I haven't made any measurements of my finds, but I think it's a good estimate that 9/10 highsec womrholes I find (usually class 1 and 2, occasionally 3) are gaurded by a pos camped by a corp.
This is just another form of sovereignity, but without a way to fight it. And it causes any roaming gang for wormhole exploration a lot of difficulties in my opinion
I don't think a way to fight it is the way to go, we already have 0.0 after all. It seems to me that their current implementation goes against the original CCP idea behind them. Which was, as far as I'm aware, to focus on unexplored uninhabited reaches and the explorers and adventures who go there. Which doesn't really work if people start building subdivisions there. Exploration was supposed to be key in the new expansion but it seems just the opposite has occured, which is a shame really.
My hope was, when this started occurring in the beginning that some anomolys or something would make it impossible/not cost effective to do so.
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