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ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.06.05 11:47:00 - [31] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Xen Gin Also, damn right we are chomping at the bit to get independence, we aren't going down with HMS England. We'll go down on our own terms. Good luck with that one. With every other party in Holyrood being unionist, there is no way that Salmond's Minority government is going to get his Independence Bill passed. Even if he does, I for one won't be voting for it. The majority of the oil has been squandered already and there is only so much whisky that you can sell to people. No thank you, I would much rather stay with the Barnet Formula and continue receiving more money from the Exchequer each year than we return in taxation :) So it's the Scots bleeding us dry? Cut them off! Let them have their independence! Then the money saved can go towards redecorating some MP's bathroom.
sp3cial forc3s 0ne Man 0ne P3ni5 The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.06.05 11:54:00 - [32] Scotland have there own government, so why do we get scottish PM'S?? Theyve wanted to be independent and free of England for years but still the english government give Scotland an average of 10 billion Pound a year...WHY?????? Cuz the last 2 PM'S ARE SCOTTISH!!!! ITS A CONSPIRACY SET UP TO HAVE ENGLANDS PANTS DOWN!!!!!!
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.05 12:05:00 - [33] Originally by: sp3cial forc3s Scotland have there own government, so why do we get scottish PM'S?? Theyve wanted to be independent and free of England for years but still the english government give Scotland an average of 10 billion Pound a year...WHY?????? Methinks you need to read up on devolution and what a "Parliament of the United Kingdom" means. Besides, England was offered the chance of regional assemblies and they were voted down at the first opportunity.
hedfunk Caldari Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.06.05 12:14:00 - [34] I think most Scots who want independance don't realise the serious consequences if it does happen. Which I don't believe it will. To the guy that quoted me. I think David Davies owuld have been better too, I think he's a great politician. However, I see your point, then again, what PM is ever popular? I know he wont deliver on some promises, but i do think he'll do a damn sight better job than New Labour are doing at the moment. Please refrain from political commentary in your signature. Navigator
Doctor Penguin Amarr Heavy Influence Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.05 13:10:00 - [35] Ugh, looks like it has been a huge swing to the Tories. Great - more static governments of sleaze and infighting.
Glarion Garnier The Scope	Posted - 2009.06.05 16:40:00 - [36] For the situation to change in Brittain you would have to get rid of the private cetral bank + most of the ppl like the roalty and representatives to get the country on a right track. _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-
Brolly Caldari Caldari State Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.05 16:58:00 - [37] Can't believe labour are so suicidal atm, the last thing we need is a charismatic leader, look at the Blair years Cameron is a spineless, social chameleon who rides the bandwagon of flavour of the week. His opinions are those of the day and his policies will probably last that long. imho, the only party that should get the vote is green, if anyone deserves a go of screwing the world, surely it should be them I think we should keep brown, granted, it looks like he's been roung the block a few times, but he's kinda reliable and he'll get us there in the long run
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.06.05 18:49:00 - [38] Originally by: Brolly I think we should keep brown, granted, it looks like he's been roung the block a few times, but he's kinda reliable and he'll get us there in the long run Lol wut? ____________________
Captain Hudson Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.06.05 18:55:00 - [39] Tories 4tw. Iv found him
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.05 19:40:00 - [40] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Quote: Tony Blair sold the UK down the river by allowing all these eastern europeans into the country.time to send them home. Wrong. It was Major's Government that signed the Maastricht Treaty and brought the UK into the EU and allowed ALL EU citizens the right to live and work here, just as we can go anywhere else in the EU and enjoy the same rights. It's not fair to single out the new member states that joined in the enlargement and lay the blame for all economic woes upon them. I have no beef with them and if they are taking "our" jobs, then it's either a job that a British person doesn't want to do, won't work hard enough or wants paid too much. Fair play to them I say - they are decent people and hard workers and I've never met one that I didn't like or get on with. Your correct,John Major did indeed sign the Maastricht Treaty,but unlike the rest of Europe,Tony Blair failed to take the seven year option as he was only expecting 13000 migrants,not the 1.5 million that turned up. I don't know where you live,but here its a nightmare.There is no work here so I'm left wondering why they are still here,oh that's right the nice benefits and the nice free house,this is unacceptable.I voted for the very first time the other day and I'm not ashamed to admit that i voted for the BNP.
Doctor Penguin Amarr Heavy Influence Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.05 19:46:00 - [41] Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 05/06/2009 19:46:24 Originally by: Motaka I don't know where you live,but here its a nightmare.There is no work here so I'm left wondering why they are still here,oh that's right the nice benefits and the nice free house,this is unacceptable.I voted for the very first time the other day and I'm not ashamed to admit that i voted for the BNP. Yay racism! (PS: "Nice benefits and nice free house" is a con. Most of the EEC folk I've met that did not find jobs headed home.) Irony: Cameron promotes family values and criticizes EEC immigration in the same speech. Why is it ironic? Most of the EEC are staunch Catholics. I know EEC immigrants - they're nice people who have taken a huge gamble in coming to this country. They deserve to be here just as much as your average UK joe does. It's the worker's own fault for being misplaced. ________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Soundwave Get out Mindstar, or I'll punch you in the ovaries.[/q
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.06 13:04:00 - [42] this time round i voted UKIP normally vote tory ..but thats only because i was brought up in a strong labour city that likes to keep peeps on handouts and discourages people from actively getting off thier collectives and working ...preety sick and tired of our country giving ú40 million a day to europe and at least ukip have promised to attempt to sort this out .conservatives have promsed to let us have a vote on pulling out but so did labour and guess what ...we still never got it must confess im getting pretty apathetic of the whole situation tbfh.. just seems that every one of them whants to get their snouts in the trough ...****sses me big time destroy everything you touch
Tallaran Kouros Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.06 14:03:00 - [43] Originally by: Motaka I don't know where you live,but here its a nightmare. Edinburgh, where there are lots of migrants from the new member states. Quote: There is no work here so I'm left wondering why they are still here,oh that's right the nice benefits and the nice free house,this is unacceptable. It is unacceptable, or it would be if they were actually entitled to state benefits and free accommodation. They are not. Anyone coming from the new member states are NOT entitled to state benefits or housing benefit until they have been in the UK for AT LEAST TWO YEARS. I hear this myth put out over and over again, and it's simply not true AT ALL and if you don't believe me then you are more than welcome to call up the DWP yourself. Quote: I voted for the very first time the other day and I'm not ashamed to admit that i voted for the BNP. Why should you be ashamed? We live in a democracy and you are entitled to vote whichever way you see fit, and I respect that choice. I wasn't surprised to see large upswing in support for the BNP - history shows that in times of economic or political instability, support for the far left and the far right increases and those parties tap into that underlying instability. I was surprised that they got a councilor elected tho.
Cyonidicus	Posted - 2009.06.06 14:38:00 - [44] BNP is rascist bs for the short sighted
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.06 15:35:00 - [45] Originally by: jason hill this time round i voted UKIP normally vote tory ..but thats only because i was brought up in a strong labour city that likes to keep peeps on handouts and discourages people from actively getting off thier collectives and working ...preety sick and tired of our country giving ú40 million a day to europe and at least ukip have promised to attempt to sort this out .conservatives have promsed to let us have a vote on pulling out but so did labour and guess what ...we still never got it must confess im getting pretty apathetic of the whole situation tbfh.. just seems that every one of them whants to get their snouts in the trough ...**sses me big time You realise that that ú40m/day is pretty cheap for the financial, political and even military benefit we get out of being in the EU, right? Or, to put it another way: if we weren't in the EU we'd be **ed.
Nigel Sheldon Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.06 17:51:00 - [46] in before lock - i didn't think we were allowed to discuss politics...
Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.06 18:24:00 - [47] Originally by: Nigel Sheldon in before lock - i didn't think we were allowed to discuss politics... We're not ~~~~ There is no parody in this thread. Honest.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.06.06 18:29:00 - [48] And yet here we are. Has it dissolved into a flamewar? No. Is there excessive trolling? No. ____________________
Evthron Macyntire	Posted - 2009.06.06 20:49:00 - [49] Herein lies the failure that is democracy. You get to choose the best of the worst.
Blacksilk Caldari LEGION OF THE POTATO PEOPLE	Posted - 2009.06.06 21:45:00 - [50] Originally by: Ratchman Originally by: hedfunk I think David Cameron would be a welcome change to Brown. A general election is definatley needed. Hanging on for another year is not oging to help anyone. Doesn't look like his Cabinet is going tio allow that anyway, he's lost all control. The Tories have a charasmatic young leader. Something we need. He might not have the experience Gordon does, but the Tories have a wealth of experience in thier shadow cabinet and in thier backbenches. William Hague is a fine example, Kenneth Clarke, etc etc. We need an election. Not only is David Cameron a typical example of upper-class young conservative (complete with ruddy cheeks and boyish looks), but he has based himself on Tony Blair (amusing, seeing as New Labour took a heavy influence from the Tories). Remember how fantastic everyone felt when Tony Blair got in. Now think how people generally regard him, despite having presided over a stable period. This is how people will feel about Cameron eventually. He was selected because he was the most presentable out of the Tory contenders at the time, whereas I think their best representative was David Davies. But as always, style wins out over substance (I've never been a Tory supporter, but I can still give credit where it's due). Like most politicians, he will promise the earth and never deliver, and yet we fall for it every time. If you think Cameron's going to be a refreshing change, you're going to be disappointed. Politics requires a new style of politician if it is going to effect any real change. If anything showed up the differences between the 'old school' leanings of the parties, then the expenses scandal did. The Tories has the upper class frauds, like cleaning a moat, building a house exclusively for ducks (well, a small shed), and expenses on a massive mansion that everyone was jealous of. Labour had all the grubby social climber wannabes frauds, mostly involved in home improvement, and the Liberals had all the pathetic ones, like claiming for a packet of Hob Nobs and kitchen utensils. Tories had all the ludicrous exploits, showing up their "the rich get richer" colours (especially by renting accommodation of their own children, claiming double home allowances and employing remote family members as staff). Labour had all the functional fraud, which was hardly exciting or laughable, but fraud nonetheless (exploiting the system in the way the despised when they were all student union presidents back in the seventies), and the Liberals just weren't really trying. All politicians suffered a bad image crisis during this, but none of this is new, and it will happen again. The trouble is, the public forgets too quickly, and we don't hold these people too account. They resign, and we thinks that's enough, whereas in any other line of work, they would have to spend a day in court and perhaps even face imprisonment. If any party came out of this better than the others, it would be the Liberals, purely because they were the 'least corrupt' Not exactly a badge of honour, but the least of three evils. I couldnt agree more. I would prefer to see people on the streets in London, fetching these fu*king parasites out of their nice warm secure offices, and holding them to account over their expenditure of public money. But of course the british are too British to do that sort of thing.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.06.06 22:58:00 - [51] Originally by: ReaperOfSly And yet here we are. Has it dissolved into a flamewar? No. Is there excessive trolling? No. No, but voting for the BNP comes pretty damn close.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.06.06 23:16:00 - [52] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: ReaperOfSly And yet here we are. Has it dissolved into a flamewar? No. Is there excessive trolling? No. No, but voting for the BNP comes pretty damn close. That's a voter's prerogative.
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.06 23:46:00 - [53] destroy everything you touch
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.07 06:54:00 - [54] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: ReaperOfSly And yet here we are. Has it dissolved into a flamewar? No. Is there excessive trolling? No. No, but voting for the BNP comes pretty damn close. That's a voter's prerogative. As is holding and expressing an opinion about it.
Northern Fall Minmatar Guild Academy Guild Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.07 11:45:00 - [55] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: ReaperOfSly And yet here we are. Has it dissolved into a flamewar? No. Is there excessive trolling? No. No, but voting for the BNP comes pretty damn close. BNP = Trollin'
TimMc Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.06.07 13:24:00 - [56] I hope we have a general election soon. I expect Tories to win, and I hope that Liberal Democrats become the new second party and Labour rot away never to recover. UKIP and Green might get a few more votes, but doubt will become important.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.07 14:53:00 - [57] Originally by: TimMc I hope we have a general election soon. I expect Tories to win, and I hope that Liberal Democrats become the new second party and Labour rot away never to recover. UKIP and Green might get a few more votes, but doubt will become important. That pretty much echoes my thoughts. Sadly the Tories are at least as bad as Labour, and are really just waiting their turn to get their snouts in the trough. Lib-dems might be a bit less corrupt, but that's really only because it's been decades since they were in power. They'd make a hash of it through sheer inexperience. An ideal outcome would be a hung parliament.
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.07 14:55:00 - [58] hung parliment wouldnt work ....constant bickering and nothing would ever be agreed on alas
hedfunk Caldari Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.06.07 18:41:00 - [59] A hung parliament would be terrible. I wouldn't mind the Lib Dems winning, although I can't see it happening, shame one of thier most influencial peers is quitting.
Captain Hudson Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.06.07 22:31:00 - [60] Well done Gordon, BNP got their 1st EU seat from what should have been yours.

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