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NickyYo
StarHug
91
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Posted - 2012.05.15 00:46:00 -
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Before i start, i would like you all to know i don't mine i have never mined i am a pvper, no not a 0.0 blob pvper but a lowsec / wardeck pvper. For proof My KB is here and yes my stats suck but so what http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_ext_id=1753075638
Griefers are constantly whining about how badly done too they are, you know the kind the empire griefers / ganker kind. They whine that miners are ruining eve and that they should be made a punching bag because they mine... they got an orca blah blah so what you got faction warfare / t3 / tier 3 bc etc and are getting a big expansion coming up too.
The problem in eve is the griefers not miners, why you ask? well lets some it up shall we.
Evaluation
The Griefer
- They mission to make isk, may it be on their main or alts
- A majority of them don't pvp in low sec because there is easier pvp in high sec
- They exploit so there is no consequences to sec loss in high sec with the use of the orca, thus pulling them out of low sec for more easy kills in destroyers.
- They whine that low sec pvp is dead
- They post tear threads on these forums about miners
- They get something new in every single patch
The Miner
- They mine all day, they like to relax in the vastness of space while they do so
- They build stuff that everyone buys
- They never go in low sec
- They get ganked & war decked
- They whine about it
- They post tear threads on these forums about it
- They rarely get new things in expansions but new blueprints to build stuff for the pvpers
I might have missed a few things, so please state them an i'll add them into it.
The Inferno expansion 22nd May
The griefer
- New improved FW
- You will get paid LP to PVP
- The merc market
The Miner
- New war deck mechanic means war decks cost more
Conclusion Both gaming styles have their own ups and downs, but going from the above the miners seem like the little orphaned child who never gets presents. And the griefer children whine and get everything they want.
Now you will say it's a sandbox however a sand box must have rules, or it wouldn't be where it is today without them, yes ganking will always be allowed and so will mining BUT when ganking involves no penalties something needs to be done, else whats the point of concord? Eve is about industry, it is like a market simulator and war drives that simulator.
Now to those of you who complain about CCP turning into carebear online, please think to your self who the real carebears are.. The war deck costs hasn't nerfed anything it has just made it more difficult isk wise, lets face it the old 1 mill isk for a war deck was a joke.
What should happen now?
- The griefers & miners will still carebear and whine.
- War still continues, ganking still continues, eve still continues.
- The 'pvpers' should continue to gank miners, but should not be allowed to constantly do it without consequence with the use of the orca.
- Pvpers should stop whining about empire carebears and move their missioning asses out of empire to low sec to help solve the problem.
- CCP should probably move all level 4 mission agents into low sec.
Final conclusion :) The problem eve faces atm is the griefer, if eve was to die they would be the core course of it. Remember PVP is everywhere but mining isn't. (SERVICE) Need a project coding? (PHP & Javascript) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101893&find=unread |

Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
476
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Posted - 2012.05.15 00:58:00 -
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You keep misspelling ganker, dumbass. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |

NickyYo
StarHug
92
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Posted - 2012.05.15 00:59:00 -
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Serge Bastana wrote:You keep misspelling ganker, dumbass.
Boo hooo this is the eve online forums not a job application. (SERVICE) Need a project coding? (PHP & Javascript) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101893&find=unread |

Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
428
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:01:00 -
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I prefer a war room to a war deck, more secluded. |

Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
401
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:02:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Serge Bastana wrote:You keep misspelling ganker, dumbass. Boo hooo this is the eve online forums not a job application.
Yes it is. You are applying your ideas to be accepted by the viewers. Everything EvE is a job. |

Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
476
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:06:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Serge Bastana wrote:You keep misspelling ganker, dumbass. Boo hooo this is the eve online forums not a job application.
The point of my post obviously went over that misshapen head of yours. And you can't apply to be a circus attraction on the EVE forums otherwise it would be the ideal recruitment spot for you. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |

Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:07:00 -
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I call Poe's law. Welcome to my block list NickyYo "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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NickyYo
StarHug
94
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:09:00 -
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Serge Bastana wrote:NickyYo wrote:Serge Bastana wrote:You keep misspelling ganker, dumbass. Boo hooo this is the eve online forums not a job application. The point of my post obviously went over that misshapen head of yours. And you can't apply to be a circus attraction on the EVE forums otherwise it would be the ideal recruitment spot for you.
The point is you are mad, And i didn't miss spell ganker, pretty bad you got to make stuff up to troll with.
Moderator please remove his off topic comments thank you! (SERVICE) Need a project coding? (PHP & Javascript) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101893&find=unread |

Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
295
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:11:00 -
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TL;DR: OP is whining about people whining and proposing changes that solve absolutely nothing. |

Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
216
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:13:00 -
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Interesting: Hide Corp visibility, look like a forum alt, proceed to create shiptoasts, see what reactions you get, than show Corp, reveal that you are the main for those who never bothered looking, show a decent killboard, (realistic one anyway for a real PvPer), and make a decent post with your analysis in it.
The only thing that I found truly revealing was the bold font on "move level 4 missions to Lowsec," which I gather is your true motivation behind all this.
I'm all for it. +1 Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |

NickyYo
StarHug
94
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:13:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:TL;DR: OP is whining about people whining and proposing changes that solve absolutely nothing. And what are you whining about? (SERVICE) Need a project coding? (PHP & Javascript) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101893&find=unread |

Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
401
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:17:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Pvpers should stop whining about empire carebears and move their missioning asses out of empire to low sec to help solve the problem.
Implying mission runners are only PvPers. |

Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
476
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:21:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Serge Bastana wrote:NickyYo wrote:Serge Bastana wrote:You keep misspelling ganker, dumbass. Boo hooo this is the eve online forums not a job application. The point of my post obviously went over that misshapen head of yours. And you can't apply to be a circus attraction on the EVE forums otherwise it would be the ideal recruitment spot for you. The point is you are mad, And i didn't miss spell ganker, pretty bad you got to make stuff up to troll with. Moderator please remove his off topic comments thank you!
I could care less about your troll post, I was pointing out what a whiner you are using the word griefer and how hopeless you are at posting anything remotely constructive.
What's up Mabel, is someone posting nasty things in your weaksauce thread, that's a shame, isn't it? WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |

Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
139
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:24:00 -
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Let's see. The griefers win. All miners turn in their barges for PvP-fitted vessels. Lacking minerals all manufacturers invest in PvP ships as well. Griefer Heaven ensues. Ships are lost, replaced, lost, replaced until one day....
...you go to the shop and the cupboard is bare. There are no more ships.
Yeah, it seems the "EVE is for PVP" crowd's logic is supreme. It was there in front of us all along! The goal in EVE is pods at five meters. We bump each other for a few hours and log out satiated and satisfied.
How stupid could we be for missing such an obvious truth. Thanks griefers. Our eyes are now opened.
And to think I've spent all this time training. I've got Pods to V. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |

Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc Order of the Void
306
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:52:00 -
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If Im not mistaken, the merc market is for the Corp being wardecced. Not the wardeccer. At least thats the take away that I got from Fanfest. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |

Shian Yang
121
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:58:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:I prefer a war room to a war deck, more secluded.
Greetings capsuleer Dietrich,
Whilst I agree in principle, is it not more fun to sit on the war chair on the war deck, spinning your ship idly while sipping on a tasty beverage of choice?
Regards,
Shian Yang |

Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
431
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:08:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:I prefer a war room to a war deck, more secluded. Greetings capsuleer Dietrich, Whilst I agree in principle, is it not more fun to sit on the war chair on the war deck, spinning your ship idly while sipping on a tasty beverage of choice? Regards, Shian Yang
The thought did cross my mind, lounge chairs on the war deck and a dry martini in one war while the pool help moves the little model ships across the pool. Might be too relaxed however and mistakes could happen during the wardec which would cost you. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
734
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:16:00 -
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You keep mentioning griefers. Do you not realize that griefing is against the EULA and will get you (not you specifically, unless you grief) banned?
Anyway, miners are nearly impervious to attack if they stop being lazy morons and actually learn to do it right. And it doesn't even involve a tank (cause we know a decent barge fit will not tank much). |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1137
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:21:00 -
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What does this thread do again? |

EvilCheez
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:23:00 -
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Before And After |

Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
446
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Posted - 2012.05.15 03:24:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:NickyYo wrote:Serge Bastana wrote:You keep misspelling ganker, dumbass. Boo hooo this is the eve online forums not a job application. Yes it is. You are applying your ideas to be accepted by the viewers. Everything EvE is a job.
Everyone should live by this rule.
Ferox #1 |

Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
195
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Posted - 2012.05.15 03:29:00 -
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I see alot of claims about miner tears but I really don't see many of these elusive threads. I've seen several come and go, off to the dustbin of page (not one) about wanting a bit more powergrid and buffer tank on expensive hulls but not once have I seen a thread asking to make it hard or not possible to lock a barge in high sec.
You create this imaginary enemy and you invent their tears. One might suggest the griefers try a single player game. You really don't need active players to kill. It's all in your mind from the onset. |

No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.05.15 03:32:00 -
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GAS THREAD BAN OP. . |

Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
251
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Posted - 2012.05.15 03:32:00 -
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Griefer - bored player who is looking for easy quick kills for enjoyment. Miner - player who likes mining or can't stand missions or other ways to make ISK in game.
What needs to be compared. Miners are a target sitting in a belt for hours every day, why does it surprise anyone that the griefer likes killing them. Easy to find and the least amount of work compared to other possible targets.
What needs to be discussed for the 9,000th time ?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Hulkageddon Orphanage
1134
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Posted - 2012.05.15 04:00:00 -
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Why confuse ganker and griefer?  |

NickyYo
StarHug
96
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Posted - 2012.05.15 16:08:00 -
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Thanks for putting time a side to do that good sir! :) (SERVICE) Need a project coding? (PHP & Javascript) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101893&find=unread |

Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
119
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Posted - 2012.05.15 16:43:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Before i start, i would like you all to know i don't mine i have never mined i am a pvper, no not a 0.0 blob pvper but a lowsec / WARDEC pvper. For proof My KB is here and yes my stats suck but so what http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_ext_id=1753075638GANKERS are constantly whining about how badly done too they are, you know the kind the empire griefers / ganker kind. They whine that miners are ruining eve and that they should be made a punching bag because they mine... they got an orca blah blah so what you got faction warfare / t3 / tier 3 bc etc and are getting a big expansion coming up too. The problem in eve is the GANKERS not miners, why you ask? well lets some it up shall we. EvaluationThe GANKER
- They mission to make isk, may it be on their main or alts
- A majority of them don't pvp in low sec because there is easier pvp in high sec
- They exploit so there is no consequences to sec loss in high sec with the use of the orca, thus pulling them out of low sec for more easy kills in destroyers.
- They whine that low sec pvp is dead
- They post tear threads on these forums about miners
- They get something new in every single patch
The Miner
- They mine all day, they like to relax in the vastness of space while they do so
- They build stuff that everyone buys
- They never go in low sec
- They get ganked & war 'DECCED
- They whine about it
- They post tear threads on these forums about it
- They rarely get new things in expansions but new blueprints to build stuff for the pvpers
I might have missed a few things, so please state them an i'll add them into it.The Inferno expansion 22nd MayThe GANKER
- New improved FW
- You will get paid LP to PVP
- The merc market
The Miner
- New war DEC mechanic means war DEC'S cost more
ConclusionBoth gaming styles have their own ups and downs, but going from the above the miners seem like the little orphaned child who never gets presents. And the GANKER children whine and get everything they want. Now you will say it's a sandbox however a sand box must have rules, or it wouldn't be where it is today without them, yes ganking will always be allowed and so will mining BUT when ganking involves no penalties something needs to be done, else whats the point of concord? Eve is about industry, it is like a market simulator and war drives that simulator. Now to those of you who complain about CCP turning into carebear online, please think to your self who the real carebears are.. The war DEC costs hasn't nerfed anything it has just made it more difficult isk wise, lets face it the old 1 mill isk for a war DEC was a joke. What should happen now?
- The GANKERS & miners will still carebear and whine.
- War still continues, ganking still continues, eve still continues.
- The 'pvpers' should continue to gank miners, but should not be allowed to constantly do it without consequence with the use of the orca.
- Pvpers should stop whining about empire carebears and move their missioning asses out of empire to low sec to help solve the problem.
- CCP should probably move all level 4 mission agents into low sec.
Final conclusion :)The problem eve faces atm is the GANKER, if eve was to die they would be the core course of it. Remember PVP is everywhere but mining isn't.
Ok, fixed all your faults with proper word usage and hideous spelling errors, now on to the point of my reply. You have created yet another pointless thread, full of whining, well done. Sadly you have yet again failed to provide any new insights, or any viable solutions to what only you seem to see as a major problem. And that really is the crux of it. These are YOUR issues, not most other peoples. In fact, I don't even think these are issues, just another reason for you to SHOUT LOUDLY ON THE INTERNET.
Your solutions are inane, ill conceived and are nothing but repeats of your earlier drivel or that of other people with the same close minded behavioural patterns as yourself. Please for the love of all that's decent in the world, STOP POSTING. I gave you a hug earlier, would you like another one? What will it take to stop you? |

NickyYo
StarHug
97
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Posted - 2012.05.15 16:50:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote: Ok, fixed all your faults with proper word usage and hideous spelling errors, now on to the point of my reply. You have created yet another pointless thread, full of whining, well done. Sadly you have yet again failed to provide any new insights, or any viable solutions to what only you seem to see as a major problem. And that really is the crux of it. These are YOUR issues, not most other peoples. In fact, I don't even think these are issues, just another reason for you to SHOUT LOUDLY ON THE INTERNET.
Your solutions are inane, ill conceived and are nothing but repeats of your earlier drivel or that of other people with the same close minded behavioural patterns as yourself. Please for the love of all that's decent in the world, STOP POSTING. I gave you a hug earlier, would you like another one? What will it take to stop you?
So changing the word griefer to gankers is correcting my spelling? idiot lol.
And NO i won't stop posting, i pay to post on these forums.
EDIT: Personal attacks are not allowed you do know that right? If you don't like my threads just simply don't read them. Thank you for your time good sir! (SERVICE) Need a project coding? (PHP & Javascript) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101893&find=unread |

Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
119
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Posted - 2012.05.15 16:59:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:So changing the word griefer to gankers is correcting my spelling? idiot lol.
And NO i won't stop posting, i pay to post on these forums.
Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, my dear chap. Perhaps if you had taken the time to actually check through the post properly, as well as the others in this thread rather than honking around like an alarmed Goose, you may have noticed something else.
I do not consider replacing the word Griefer, with the word Ganker to be correcting your spelling. The fact that YOU do says more about your lack of reading comprehension than anything. No, replacing the word griefer with the word ganker was my way of supporting something another pilot said at the start of this "NickyYo screams at the internet for recognition" thread, where he pointed out that you had mistakenly used the word Griefer instead of the word Ganker.
Two different creatures Nicky my boy, with different goals. Being one does not automatically imply the other. My spelling correction was the word "Dec" as in war DEClaration, rather than "Deck" which again, is something entirely different. But as I pointed out, you don't notice these things because your posts are not meant to be informative or particularly constructive, they are merely a platform for you to garner some small measure of attention. Which you now have. So please, can you stop posting? |

NickyYo
StarHug
97
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Posted - 2012.05.15 17:05:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:NickyYo wrote:So changing the word griefer to gankers is correcting my spelling? idiot lol.
And NO i won't stop posting, i pay to post on these forums. My spelling correction was the word "Dec" as in war DEClaration, rather than "Deck" which again, is something entirely different. But as I pointed out, you don't notice these things because your posts are not meant to be informative or particularly constructive, they are merely a platform for you to garner some small measure of attention. Which you now have. So please, can you stop posting?
Again, you humans continue to attack mey threads because you simply do not like what i say..
And comeon, using the kind of reasoning you show in the above quote is stupid. So mining should be call min? now its called mine.
Now please, stop trying to find way of attacking me, you are making your selves look stupid. (SERVICE) Need a project coding? (PHP & Javascript) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101893&find=unread |
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