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Francis Kantor TROJAN LEGIONS TROJAN. 0	Posted - 2011.09.16 01:48:00 - [1] - Quote I just wanted to know can level 4 mission running be enough to sustain enough money to buy a PLEX each month? or 400m a month? i have approx. 100 days left out of 200 or so. i was wondering if i can be able to start running level 4 missions and start paying with PLEX. i really do enjoy the game, and i would still love playing with cash, but what would be the point if you can pay while playing. Corp members and friends said that you can get 20-30m an hour. To be honest, that doesn't mean alot. Currently training for a Raven fit. Just need Shield Boost Amplifier to train and Cruise Missile Launcher II. Also i am doing missions for Caldari Navy.... good idea? I might start to train for a Golem or a Navy Raven. Also after i get many Engineering skills and Missiles skills, i will start doing Incursions. I heard Incursions pay a whole lot. I'm sure you need advanced skills for Incursions and a experienced pilot. * I am not much of a "experienced pilot", you can say I am a newbie, but i have much more skills and better experience than a newbie. Can someone give me advice, and some directions on which way i should go? Thanks and I will be looking forward to the comments.
Herping yourDerp Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 59	Posted - 2011.09.16 02:13:00 - [2] - Quote a decent pilot can run a lvl 4 mission pretty fast, some missions give u 10-20mil in bounties and reward, not to mention LP. every 16 missions u get a storyline which can give u even more isk or good implants which are valuable. if you loot missions sometimes u can get good stuff, but most people ignore loot because its faster to just run the next mission if you run 5 missions a day you can make enough for a plex in like a week the rest goes to whatever u wanna do.
Francis Kantor TROJAN LEGIONS TROJAN. 0	Posted - 2011.09.16 02:22:00 - [3] - Quote so salvaging and looting isn't really worth it? i have been looting and salvaging every level 3s. i haven't yet sold any of them. i can do like 2 and max 3 level 3 missions a day. If i don't have school work, i usually do about 3-4. Also i heard epic arc are a good source of i ISK. i tried to get a level 4 mission for Caldari, but it said i had 0.0 standing, do you need to do the epic arcs form sisters?
mxzf Shovel Bros 4	Posted - 2011.09.16 03:14:00 - [4] - Quote A good way to look at paying for PLEX is that you need to be making 15M a day before expenses (like new ships and such). If you're running lvl 4 missions well it shouldn't be too hard (I ran two lvl 4 missions last night and got about 20M in 2h or so, and I was going pretty slow).
Baljos Arnjak Dark Praetorian Order 0	Posted - 2011.09.16 04:25:00 - [5] - Quote Francis Kantor wrote: so salvaging and looting isn't really worth it? Depends on how much isk you get for LP and how you run your missions. If you blitz missions and sell items with high isk/LP payouts, then looting / salvaging isn't worth it. Otherwise, if you're not getting good isk/LP or not getting much LP, looting can be worth it. There are a couple of other things that can help you raise funds too. PI - Not too skill intensive and doesn't require a lot of time if you use one or two week extraction cycles. Good for maybe 50mil a month depending on how many planets you use, what you're making, and what prices are doing. Datacore farming - Requires some training and standing with certain corps, but this is one of those things you can passively let pile up and cash out when you want the isk. Courier Missions - Get in a hauler, get mission, set auto pilot, work on homework until you hear "Destination Reached", dock, complete mission, rinse / repeat.
Yoinkerman Yoinkerman Corp 0	Posted - 2011.09.16 04:35:00 - [6] - Quote Yeah you can easily make enough for a plex each month but it doesn't leave you with a lot of extra isk. I'm lazy so I just pay the sub fees and waste my isk on ship spinning.
Dilligafmofo Sandman Plc Laika. 4	Posted - 2011.09.16 05:24:00 - [7] - Quote Dependant on how much time you currently invest to eve, it is rather easy to clear a billion isk per week in lvl 4 missions ( with marauder clearing as you go) I'm sure this will be the lower end of the scale for those that can put in more time. Lvl 4s can sustain 2 accounts easily with enough time spare for pew pew and replacement ships.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 64	Posted - 2011.09.16 05:49:00 - [8] - Quote Pick the agent you mission for by checking out the NPC corp LP stores first. Determine which items represent the highest ISK/LP value, then pick the appropriate cluster of agents to work for. You can get by with one agent if you are willing to give up running missions when you get two reject missions in a row. And for other inspiration, there's the Making ISK guide on the EVElopedia!
Alaik Rekall Incorporated 0	Posted - 2011.09.16 06:12:00 - [9] - Quote You should easily be able to reach your goal of paying with PLEX, and have plenty of cash left over each month for new ships/skillbooks if you set yourself a minimum ISK goal per day. Figure 400m ISK per month and you have your goal to reach per day. If you have more playtime after reaching your goal, then you've earned yourself a slack day, or some pocket money to splash out. Whatever is sustainable and still fun for you, will work fine. I try to do the same, but I always get distracted by WHs to raid instead of just grinding my missions. =)
Kesshisan 23	Posted - 2011.09.16 07:45:00 - [10] - Quote You'll make 10mil-20mil isk per hour in raw isk. You'll probably be closer to the 10mil mark to start off with, but if you eventually get into a high DPS ship (Tengu, Raven, Mach, etc.) you can pump it up to 20mil and maybe more. But this 10 mil means no loot, no salvage, not counting your LP, etc. Comparing your lowest income, 10mil isk per hour, to a Plex's high value, 400mil, you must run 40hours of missions in order to pay for your monthly subscription. This works out to about 1.3 hours per day, or 5 hours a day if you only play 2 days a week (perhaps only on Saturdays and Sundays.) If you want to calculate in LP, loot, and/or salvage, you then need to factor in your ability to sell things. If you aren't a decent salesman and/or you don't understand the market in EvE, you won't get the maximum return for your LP. You should still be able to get at least 1000 isk per LP even if you have no idea what you're doing. If you're good, you can probably swing 2k-3k. I've heard of 5k items, but the best I've found have only been 4.5k isk per LP. With that said, you can easily make enough isk "to survive" running missions provided you put enough effort hours into it. .
Wu Spacey Spacey Assignments 291	Posted - 2011.09.16 18:15:00 - [11] - Quote Paying for game time with isk, is ultimately a no-brainer as things stand atm, but one thing I would add to the good advice above is dont stop paying cash to early. Get 2 billion together or something and then pay 3 months in advance, and then start lpexxing your sub from there. This is a game, you dont want to feel it is a job and get to the end of the month thinking, damn, i dont feel like Eve, but I have to to keep my char skilling, so here I go grinding. Thats no fun. As people have said above, a plex is nothing eventually, but if you are agreeable paying the subs, do that so it doesnt turn a game into a chore, in the earlier stages.
AFKCloaked AltSpy MasterMined Technologies 3	Posted - 2011.09.16 18:28:00 - [12] - Quote @ 1000 isk/LP conversion, you can make 30-125 mil an hour running missions. Some people say to rush, some people say to loot and salvage. The truth is, you should be able to do both. Rush the rushable missions and kill/salvage/loot the big ones. You can easily pay for 1 account + ships by running 1 hour of level 4's a day.
Flakey Foont Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2011.09.16 20:35:00 - [13] - Quote If you're not a shopaholic level 4s will do nicely.
Bunface Musgrove Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.09.16 21:35:00 - [14] - Quote How long does it take to reach level 4 missions from the starting level 1s? I'm playing this game with the aim of being able to finance myself, but my corp status is static - stuck at 0.62, and my station status is gradually crawling up.
Francis Kantor TROJAN LEGIONS TROJAN. 0	Posted - 2011.09.16 22:27:00 - [15] - Quote Bunface Musgrove wrote: How long does it take to reach level 4 missions from the starting level 1s? I'm playing this game with the aim of being able to finance myself, but my corp status is static - stuck at 0.62, and my station status is gradually crawling up. It didn't take me long to get to level 4s. For me training for a good fit raven is longer than getting to a level 4 mission.
Chern0 Shockwave Innovations RED Citizens 1	Posted - 2011.09.16 22:36:00 - [16] - Quote Getting to level 4 Agents takes about 3 days, grinding 4-5 hours every day. Makre sure you use a good ship for each particular mission level/type (Kestrel if you're Caldari for level 1s, for example).
Ooda Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.09.16 23:05:00 - [17] - Quote You can farm Enemies Abound 3/5 + 5/5 if you have more than one agent around. Both are worth ~30 million and doable in 30 minutes. (including salvaging with an alt while clearing) This way, you can farm missions on weekends/after school to get 2-3 Enemies Abound missions from different agents. You can farm any of the missions 7 times if you leave the mission completition trigger intact before completing the missions. Don't know if 60mil/hour is worth the standing loss for you, but you can do it with basically every high payout mission. (Blockade/WWC prefered due to possible faction spawns) Anyway, you can sustain 2 accounts through lv4's with 2-3 missions a day easily. I would recommend to loot/salvage, cause you can do it on the fly with an alt, without time loss + you don't have to rely that much on high ISK/LP ratios.
Vai Tanis Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.09.16 23:21:00 - [18] - Quote Whether salvaging is worth it also depends on the ships you're blowing up. Serpentis aren't worth the bother, I've never missioned in Caldari space but I hear Guristas are the same. Blood Raiders, on the other hand, can net you a good number of armour plates selling for around 160k each from a Lvl 4 mission. If you're going to run missions with a Raven you'll find it goes a lot faster with Rigor rigs and the target sig radius skill as high as possible, or an elite frigate can take longer to destroy than a battleship. T2 light drones are also very good for tearing through frigates quickly. The faster you get the mission done the more money you bring in.
Flakey Foont Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2011.09.17 00:41:00 - [19] - Quote Don't forget to train "Connections" to at least 3
Dustin Roac 1	Posted - 2011.09.17 08:18:00 - [20] - Quote Level 4's will be more than sustainable for plexes each month, regardless if you go the LP blitz route or loot/salvage. This char sustains plexes for two accounts just running level 3's, however that is from loot and salvage, the LP gain isn't too super in 3's
A'Brantox Foson SKEET ELITE 1	Posted - 2011.09.17 10:54:00 - [21] - Quote A good CNR with pulse tank can net you something like 30-60mil/hr, depending on how good yer system is, 6hrs of that and you got yerself a plex, 3 x a month and you got yerself a cap pilot + miscellanious alt. This however can get somewhat tiring. Much better way of making isk in highsec is buying and fitting either a faction gunboat BS, or T2/T3 gunboat and joining the festivities of incursion life. A plex every day if you want... the more pimp your ship, the higher probability you will have getting into good fleets, and a good vanguard fleet is much much better than most anything in eve right now for fast and stable isk flow. Only good thing about missions now are the standings increase, jump clone facilities and immeadiate nature of them.
dangrah HelpMyMissioners Epsilon Shimmy Alliance 0	Posted - 2011.09.17 11:35:00 - [22] - Quote You can easily make enough isk per month from L4 missions to support two characters so one should be good. Though it is a lot easier to make isk with two characters though. Doing missions for Caldari Navy is fine considering that they have some pretty good isk/LP items. On the other hand, you do fight a lot of Guristas rights so you're gonna have to deal with jamming a lot. Guristas loot and salvage is ok. Personally, I don't feel like dealing with jamming so I do missions for the Amarr Navy in the Domain region where the rats are mainly Sansha. The Sansha's tracking disrupting don't do anything to a Raven firing Cruise missiles :). The loot and salvage is better (armor plates FTW!) but the isk/LP items haven't been too great. Barely getting 1000 isk/lp. Then again that's probably due to lazy research on my part. You don't necessarily have to "train for" a Navy Raven since all the skills you need for the regular Raven is enough for the Navy Raven. The Navy Raven is a good ship to aim for. Also check out the Scorpion Navy Issue as well if the price tag`for the CNR is a bit much for you. As soon as you can, do incursions. As some have said, you can easily make a plex worth of isk within a 3 to 5 hours. Though, just like missions, it can be a little monotonous. But a plex worth of isk a day is pretty damn good. As Baljos Arnjak noted, there are other ways to raise isk. Doing a ton of missions can get very boring sometimes. Baljos Arnjak's 50mil estimate isn't too far off: I'm using 5 planets in high-sec, have a pretty crappy PI infrastructure setup, and I sell directly to buy orders. I'm making roughly 60mil a month from PI. So with a little more effort and planning than me, you should be able to make more than me. Maybe 2-4 times more. As for data-cores, I'm making roughly 36mil to 40 mil per month off datacores from 5 R&D agents. Can easily double that if A) I choose a better corp with better datacore agents and/or B) actually do those once-a-day R&D missions to double my RP for that day. So those two sources can net you about 100mil a month with not that much effort compared to doing a ton of missions. With that said, once you start doing incursions, no real need for PI or data-core farming. In addition to the Making Isk Link that Mara Rinn posted earlier, I recommend downloading the ISK 3.0 PDF as well: http://www.isktheguide.com/ So it's honestly not that hard to make isk in this game to sustain one or two accounts on PLEX alone. Even on just missions alone. Even if you're terribly inefficient at it like I am (see data-cores, PI, and isk/LP mentions)
Francis Kantor TROJAN LEGIONS TROJAN. 0	Posted - 2011.09.17 14:24:00 - [23] - Quote I am guessing you would need two computers for an alt? Though thanks for the feedback guys, didint expect this much people to respond.
Firebolt145 The Hatchery 4	Posted - 2011.09.17 17:16:00 - [24] - Quote No. You can run multiple instances of EVE as long as they're all logged in on different accounts. (Can't be logged in on two characters on the same account.)
dangrah HelpMyMissioners Epsilon Shimmy Alliance 0	Posted - 2011.09.17 21:24:00 - [25] - Quote Francis Kantor wrote: I am guessing you would need two computers for an alt? Though thanks for the feedback guys, didint expect this much people to respond. As Firebolt145 noted, you really don't need two PCs for an alt. As long as your PC is pretty decent, it'll be fine to run two Eve Online Clients. Though I highly recommend dual monitors as it does make running an alt so much easier. Way better than having to alt-tab between clients.
Amonestos Aspire Academy New Dawn Brotherhood 0	Posted - 2011.09.27 21:12:00 - [26] - Quote Just running level 3s in my Prophecy for 2-3 hours and salvaging in my Noctis and selling the salv/loot, I make about 35-50 mil and that's not counting LPs at all, I just bank those. So, my thought is I could sustain myself to play by buying PLEX just doing lvl 3s, so level 4s should be more than enough.
Obsidiana White-Noise 5	Posted - 2011.09.28 00:35:00 - [27] - Quote Don't forget about manufacturing. Grinding worthless loot and making it into something valuable can add 10% or more to your scrap metal. Plus, buyers come to you rather than you having to ship the minerals (or worse, sell them for under market value). Figure out one or two items that sell decently with a profit and you're in business. You also can buy BPCs for ships rather than buying them built, saving money. Heck, those could be the items you build and sell.
Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.09.28 03:47:00 - [28] - Quote GeForce 8400 with 128MB of RAM does 2 accounts with everything set to minimum. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat desert first!
Mina Sebiestar Mactabilis Simplex Cursus 7	Posted - 2011.09.28 05:15:00 - [29] - Quote L4 running will provide you with plex easy....now incursions will provide you even more for far less time invested.
Barbelo Valentinian The Scope Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2011.09.28 12:48:00 - [30] - Quote Flakey Foont wrote: If you're not a shopaholic level 4s will do nicely. Haha, that's my problem. I could probably liquidate all my assets and buy quite a few PLEX, but I'm a packrat and I love shopping, I have several fully kitted-out "stations" for my JCs scattered around New Eden - mmmm, new ships, trying out odd fits, shinneeeey! So for my sins I have to pay a subscription

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