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Verys
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Posted - 2009.06.08 06:58:00 -
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/me walks in
Another one crying about not making enough money because his trash is being stolen?
/me walks out
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Verys
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.08 15:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Originally by: Kloiex
In no way do i find it ok to salvage someones wrecks that they worked on and earned
How hard is it to hit F1 thru F8 and watch TV at the same time?
Me, I think CCP ought to make it a flagging offense when someone (like me) salvages your wreak. This would help me when there is no loot to be had from your wreaks.
And once again people are completely ignoring that it takes time to probe someone down... 
Really I've tried making discussions with multiple people who claim their salvage is stolen and constructively replied but all I get back is a "ME ME ME ITS ALL MINE!" or a "KEEP IN MIND I MAKE 15 MIL/H WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES AND I NEED TO WHINE ABOUT IT!"
Now please just stop and play the game as it was intended competitive and unfair. |
Verys
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.09 19:17:00 -
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Nobody yet stated in this thread a reason why wrecks should belong to you.
Wrecks are defunctional piece of scrap, when you salvage it you get defunctional pieces of scrap. Only because it is a mini-profession makes sure this scrap is actually worth something because it is recycled.
You should not get private salvaging rights because:
A) The space does not belong to you, it is not an instance it is still in the space of the faction, you don't make the rules there.
B) Salvage is in it's normal state useless but only through a profession does it actually become useful.
C) Lvl 4 missions pay as much as average 0.0 ratting and way more than low-sec ratting without risk. A money boost is definitely not needed here, the only thing is that there are faction spawns out in but they have added risk of getting your ass blown up!
A flag would be a horrible idea as you should not have private salvaging rights, this is just pure greed of the missioning community and I believe private tractor beam rights should be removed.
Eve is a highly competitive PVP game after all not a solo game, let's keep it that way shall we.
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Verys
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Verys on 10/06/2009 20:56:37
Flagging of loot stealing is fine but flagging of salvaging would not. "Why?" do you ask? Well there is simple logic behind it.
Modules are worth money and since they are spoils of battle/war they belong to you and you get them. If someone steals a reward belonging to you it is theft.
Wrecks on the other hand are worth completely worthless. It is trash, space dust, rubbish. It is a piece of floating debris. You can't do much with a wreck unless you have specialized equipment (the salvage module). This means that only this way a wreck is actually useful as you get salvage parts from salvaging from a wreck. It's just junk until somebody cleans it up, and nobody likes junk.
And all this getting angry about people coming in "cough" your "cough" mission and stealing space junk is beyond me. To me this seems like pure greed and that is if LVL 4's didn't already pay out enough at so little risk (yes little you can do them semi-afk or afk with a domi). The only time LVL 4's are hard is if you have just been flying a battleship and skipped the entire BC class or unless you stroll in the Extravaganza bonus room unprepared.
And as a closure you have the advantage as the wreck-maker. You have the tractor beam option so you can get those wrecks extra fast and a salvage slot on most ships if that isn't an advantage over a ninja salvager then I don't know what is.
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Verys
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Verys
Wrecks on the other hand are worth completely worthless.
this is wrong, look into the marked, the stuff is worth a lot of ISK but this has nothing to do with its ownership, completely another question. The stuff may figure as a reward, however you have to grab it quickly before others do.
Seriously learn to read my entire argument
Wrecks on the other hand are worth completely worthless. It is trash, space dust, rubbish. It is a piece of floating debris. You can't do much with a wreck unless you have specialized equipment (the salvage module). This means that only this way a wreck is actually useful as you get salvage parts from salvaging from a wreck. It's just junk until somebody cleans it up, and nobody likes junk.
Which means they are worthless unless you take a specialized piece of machinery (salvager) and salvage these components, without this piece of machinery wrecks are useless. This ends up on being that it is a profession as you need special types of machinery and special types of skills.
Originally by: Uronksur Suth
Since everyone seems to agree, I'd like to point out that mission pay is relatively low because your the idea is probably that the loot and salvage is PART of your reward. Not to mention a lot of mission locations just happen to be surrounded by large Veldspar asteroids.
If you have an hour and a half to complete the mission with the time bonus, finish it in 5 minutes, then rush back and complete it without bothering to loot, salvage and possibly top off your cargohold with some ore, complaining that you aren't making much is a little absurd.
That being said, CCP could bump up the payout. Slightly.
No the pay is fine as most of the cash either comes from bounties with most pirate mission or tags with faction navy missions. This way (withouth the picking up modules or salvaging) you can already make 15 mil in complete safety as you don't need to leave the starter corp to do them.
CCP should look into boosting low-sec more than boosting lvl 4's
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Verys
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.11 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
War dec the Super Ninja Dude. Most ninja salvagers I know belong to player corporation
But for some reason most ratters who whine about it don't because it provides them immunity to wardec's  |
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