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Kloiex
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Posted - 2009.06.07 19:51:00 -
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I want to talk about the very irritating ninja salvaging....
In no way do i find it ok to salvage someones wrecks that they worked on and earned, salvaging someones wrecks should be an illegal act in high sec most of the money from missions comes from salvaging and for someone to be able to take you're profit away from you without you being able to atleast blast them into space dust is very irritating.
Warning: It would be horrible to only give us kill right scause they could come in something better and bigger than us. Giving us kill rights would not stop this "bussiness" at all.
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dankness420
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Posted - 2009.06.07 19:57:00 -
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interesting
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Lear Hepburn
Caldari
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Transcendent
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Posted - 2009.06.07 20:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Kloiex
I want to talk about the very irritating ninja salvaging....
In no way do i find it ok to salvage someones wrecks that they worked on and earned, salvaging someones wrecks should be an illegal act in high sec most of the money from missions comes from salvaging and for someone to be able to take you're profit away from you without you being able to atleast blast them into space dust is very irritating.
Warning: It would be horrible to only give us kill right scause they could come in something better and bigger than us. Giving us kill rights would not stop this "bussiness" at all.
[sarcasm]Glad to see that someone has finally brought the topic up.[/sarcasm]
Seriously, this has been mentioned many times. The mechanic is working as intended - it's not your salvage. Go read one of the few hundred threads on the topic.
Oh, IBTL.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.07 20:08:00 -
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PrismX's take on this
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RaTTuS @ InEve, Capital Prints for sale |
Chomapuraku
Caldari
Templar Republic
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Posted - 2009.06.07 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kleenex
I want to talk about the very irritating ninja salvaging....
In no way do i find it ok to salvage someones wrecks that they worked on and earned, salvaging someones wrecks should be an illegal act in high sec most of the money from missions comes from salvaging and for someone to be able to take you're profit away from you without you being able to atleast blast them into space dust is very irritating.
Warning: It would be horrible to only give us kill right scause they could come in something better and bigger than us. Giving us kill rights would not stop this "bussiness" at all.
fixed it for you
Originally by: Misanth
Being nice doesn't pay off, you should stop listening to the right shoulder parrot. The left one is usually right.
so she shouldnt listen to the left one either? |
Yargol
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Posted - 2009.06.07 21:10:00 -
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Broken game mechanics, and CCP hides behind it. The CCP dev answer you linked is ...ahem....how well  ..Server blahblah you know, code thing, so this works as intended. People salvaging can make more money then you by shooting at NPC ships, and this is normal, it is meant to be ! You buy a ship ranging from 150M to 1B, you use ammo that cost money and they can make almost as much money as you without any risks and with a cormorant and a rack of salvagers and tractor beam for the price of like what: 5M ?
And you know what ? this is designed that way...  yes, it is... It is a game mechanics.
And you known what , as the CCP dev said, EVE is hostile, so you can't even shoot the guy, see how hostile it is ?.
All this mining/salving highsec stuff is just full BS. it just makes it easy for people to sneak and get past it, while in 0.0 space, they would only get shot down in flames.
That's the funny part, what the devs call hostile, is just the safest way to make money in this game, and when you are victim there is nothing or close to nothing you can do about it  But this is game design, you know.
In the meantine, i just report the people for harassment. This make GM loose some of their time, and is good for my nerves
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Sytoru Hiroshyma
SkillzKillz
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Posted - 2009.06.07 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
PrismX's take on this
Not the prismx quote i was hoping for. Anyone got a link to the one where you know he's had a bad day and loses it with someone whining about people stealing their salvage?
The tl;dr version was pretty much "STFU" with an option on "GTFO".
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Matsif
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.07 21:35:00 -
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stop crying because people like playing the game different than you.
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Tamahra
Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.06.07 21:42:00 -
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1st) lrn2deal with other players interaction. this is not eve offline its eve online.
2nd) stfu pathetic newb
3rd) lrn2 not write in capital letters in your thread title
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Kel Nissa
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Posted - 2009.06.07 21:46:00 -
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I wonder, how many posts need to be done, till someone recognize that there is an issue?
10? 100? 1000? ah na i forgot, we already reached that :oD
10.000 maybe? someone should count the existing posts :)
Yargol
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Kobushi
OCForums
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Posted - 2009.06.08 06:33:00 -
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Miner= ore
Explorer = site loot
Builder = produced item
Mission runner = Bounty AND loot AND Mission reward
Salvager = Nothing
Seems fair to you? |
Yargol
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Posted - 2009.06.08 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra
1st) lrn2deal with other players interaction. this is not eve offline its eve online.
This is eve offline, in eve online, we should be able to shoot the guy ;)
Well, I guess to deal with those guys, i'll just shoot the wrecks when the stealers show up on the grid. And all mission runners should do the same.
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Verys
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.08 06:58:00 -
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/me walks in
Another one crying about not making enough money because his trash is being stolen?
/me walks out
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4THELULZ
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Posted - 2009.06.08 07:15:00 -
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Yet another one.
Alright, I'm bored anyway, so here goes...
It's not your salvage.
Good to see this one realises the consequences of giving kill rights, that's certainly a first, but what DO you want other than kill rights? CONCORD intervention? Cry more. Missions are about the most risk free iskmobile in the game, and I say that as a mission runner myself.
So you have to deal with the odd ninja salvager? Boo-freaking-hoo, try telling it to the dead nullsec ratters and see if they sympathise with you. |
Emperor Salazar
Caldari
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kloiex
I want to talk about the very irritating ninja salvaging....
here we go again...
Originally by: Kloiex
In no way do i find it ok to salvage someones wrecks that they worked on and earned, salvaging someones wrecks should be an illegal act in high sec
CCP clearly disagrees with you. Working as intended. Go away. |
Yargol
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Posted - 2009.06.08 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Verys
/me walks in
Another one crying about not making enough money because his trash is being stolen?
/me walks out
The thing is you do at least as much money with selling the salvage as with the bounty. I'll salvage other folks wrecks, much simplier, and as money effective
No better, make it a mission option: option 1: bounty/rewards, or option 2: exclusive salvage, meaning I don't get money from the kills but only from the wrecks I salvage and sell but no one else can do it. I take option 2 any time. |
BarbFromCorporate
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Posted - 2009.06.08 09:57:00 -
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Would someone sore about other salvagers salvaging wrecks explain to me why they're not the ones salvaging wrecks they made?  |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.06.08 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: BarbFromCorporate
Would someone sore about other salvagers salvaging wrecks explain to me why they're not the ones salvaging wrecks they made?
because there are already enough wrecks made by mission runners??? wtf
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.06.08 12:43:00 -
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Perhaps the correct solution to salvaging problem would be actually to make Concord protect also NPCs like they do protect players. This ****ing stupid whine from complete ******s would stop pretty efficiently |
Matsif
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.08 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Nissa
I wonder, how many posts need to be done, till someone recognize that there is an issue?
10? 100? 1000? ah na i forgot, we already reached that :oD
10.000 maybe? someone should count the existing posts :)
Yargol
its not an issue. see all the other threads and the endlessly quoted CCP statement about the topic
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Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.06.08 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kloiex
In no way do i find it ok to salvage someones wrecks that they worked on and earned
How hard is it to hit F1 thru F8 and watch TV at the same time?
Me, I think CCP ought to make it a flagging offense when someone (like me) salvages your wreak. This would help me when there is no loot to be had from your wreaks.
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I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
Verys
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.08 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Originally by: Kloiex
In no way do i find it ok to salvage someones wrecks that they worked on and earned
How hard is it to hit F1 thru F8 and watch TV at the same time?
Me, I think CCP ought to make it a flagging offense when someone (like me) salvages your wreak. This would help me when there is no loot to be had from your wreaks.
And once again people are completely ignoring that it takes time to probe someone down...
Really I've tried making discussions with multiple people who claim their salvage is stolen and constructively replied but all I get back is a "ME ME ME ITS ALL MINE!" or a "KEEP IN MIND I MAKE 15 MIL/H WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES AND I NEED TO WHINE ABOUT IT!"
Now please just stop and play the game as it was intended competitive and unfair. |
Cedims
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Posted - 2009.06.08 16:27:00 -
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When you shoot NPC's you already get rewarded by increase of CONCORD standings, payment AND you get any loot that may linger in the wreck.
By definition, salvage is property saved by someone, other than the owner. So in strict sense, you would be rewarded, by the owner of the wreck, for saving it, not shooting it. :)
Salvaging, in EVE, is the profession of saving parts from the actual SHIP (structure), not its cargo.
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Kel Nissa
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Posted - 2009.06.08 16:57:00 -
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I think that the main issue is that currently mining is flawed.
Mechanic should work like that: Miner puts laser on Roid. Some smaller rocks fall down next to the Roid. Now the miner should be able to get this stuff and put it into his cargo. As long as its not in his cargo, everyone should be able to take the minerals next to the roid because they dont belong to anyone.
Mission runner spent same effort to create "wrecks" as the miner needs to spend effort to slice the roid into smaller pieces.
Funny aspect: No one of you is able to prove that there is no issue with salvaging. But its easy to prove that there is an issue with our current salvaging mechanic. The existence of this thread alone proves it already.
Another flawed aspect i recognized: Some people think that its enough reward to get standing + bounty? I hope that your calculation includes the amount of missions without bounty rewards. I know someone else already suggested: just skip this missions - problem solved. When a solution for fixing missions includes skipping them someone might consider the solution as "unpolished".
Personally i dont care about mission rewards. I dont care about the financial aspect. I care about the annoyance and the inability to stop ninjas from doing it. Thats why i vote for the ability to annoy every other profession as well to make it even. |
Deryk Blacke
Minmatar
VirDan Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 17:11:00 -
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Before salvaging, you had more loot. Salvaging was introduced as something new and nifty and different and all that (lots of and's). The wreck is flagged as belonging to you. Blow something up and take a look. Salvaging should flag like looting.
...but...
Flagging of wrecks should change so that after a period of time it becomes "trash", so that anybody can loot or salvage it.
One can understand their concern about wrecks that will sit around from mission runners, but they added salvaging and should have thought about that first. They reduced the amount of iskies you could get from just looting the mission . . . but increased the chance they would get two accounts out of people as they run their salvaging alt while their main blows crap up. Of course they are not going to fix it... |
Kel Nissa
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Posted - 2009.06.08 17:22:00 -
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Quote:
One can understand their concern about wrecks that will sit around from mission runners, ...
I cant understand this concern. The engine removes 2h old wrecks ;o)
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Deryk Blacke
Minmatar
VirDan Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Nissa
Quote:
One can understand their concern about wrecks that will sit around from mission runners, ...
I cant understand this concern. The engine removes 2h old wrecks ;o)
Take a look a the number of mission runners. Look at how fast they can go through missions. It would not take long for there to be thousands upon thousands of wrecks. Before salvaging, those wrecks were not there as people looted their own cans. Now, well... |
Yargol
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Posted - 2009.06.08 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Deryk Blacke
Before salvaging, you had more loot. Salvaging was introduced as something new and nifty and different and all that (lots of and's). The wreck is flagged as belonging to you. Blow something up and take a look. Salvaging should flag like looting.
...but...
Flagging of wrecks should change so that after a period of time it becomes "trash", so that anybody can loot or salvage it.
(...)
That is good, and it makes sense, and this is by far the best suggestion I've read in this thread. If it is left alone and turns into "trash", then go to salvage it for sure, if it's not, then it is a no go. Good for everyone, mission runners that want to salvage their loots and salvagers. Fine by me.
Issue resolved :) |
Kobushi
OCForums
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Posted - 2009.06.08 18:32:00 -
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maybe but it doesn't solve the fact that with that change you are proposing mission runner now got 5 sources of revenues for a single profession, reward, LP, bounty, loot and you propose Salvage too. Remove bounty or reward/LP and I'll approve this proposed change to salvage criminal flagging mechanic. |
Kel Nissa
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Posted - 2009.06.08 20:18:00 -
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Did you know that missions got an adaptive algorithm adjusting their reward?
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