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Kandarus Minmatar Crvena Zora	Posted - 2009.06.23 19:25:00 - [121] Fit ECCM = End Topic.
Riedlim	Posted - 2009.06.24 14:27:00 - [122] Originally by: Deryk Blacke Originally by: CCP Prism X Except perhaps... Originally by: Ultranoia Salvaging, unlike mission-running, is a competitive profession. I couldn't have said it better myself. This is essentially what it does boil down to. Fail CCP is fail CCP. It is not just about the isk. It is about the time. The person fragged that NPC. Before salvaging, they were relatively assured the plunder of their kill. The reward for their time. Salvaging introduced a new means of theft without repercussions. If somebody is spending their time mining, and somebody flips their can - they are flagged. The person running the mission took on a risk for their reward. If the person wants to salvage another's kill, give them some risk for their reward. THAT is essentially what it does boil down to. haha, this from the guy who got concorded when he shot at me whilst I was salvaging his precious mission. Nice lootz in yoru wreck by the way. Thank you.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.06.24 16:01:00 - [123] Originally by: Riedlim haha, this from the guy who got concorded when he shot at me whilst I was salvaging his precious mission. Nice lootz in yoru wreck by the way. Thank you. lolz firstly, he ignores CCP intended mechanics, secondly he gets pwned by concord because of lack of knowledge concerning concord mechanics?? I would call such one as total noob :))
Jastal	Posted - 2009.06.27 00:21:00 - [124] My thoughts on Ninja Salvagers... They are people who lack the skills to PVP in low sec, and aren't smart enough to read the Eve-survival guide to tank a level 4 mission solo on their own. Usually most are a bunch of wanna-be pvp'ers that cant cut it, So they pick on carebear corps. Me, I want to be able to use a Webber on the Ninja Salvager without it being considered a dangerous act. Ive tried warping out of missions and hoped the room aggro's on them. But some of them started to get smart and use BC's now. You come back to your mission only to find that they are tanking your mission and salvaging the wrecks. You cant War Dec most of ninja salvagers, since a lot are in NPC corps half of the time. Or are a single man corp which is just a waste of isk to War Dec. Easiest solution is make Stasis Webbers not an act of aggression. Warp scramblers should still be an act of aggression since it prevent fleeing out. Stasis Webbers only slow them down. Since the Ninja cant use tractor beams and have to fly within 5000 meters or less of the wreck. If you were just allow to web the ninja and force them crawling across space towards the wrecks, they hopefully might get the point would get the point and bugger off. I left Caldari Space because of Ninja Salvagers, I had to stop running Amarr Navy missions out in Dabrid, and Mani for the same reason. Ive read CCP opinion on the matter. I can understand it. But there should till be a way of discouraging it, aside from warping out, and hoping the level 4 mission you just left blows them sky high. I think CCP should remove Dangerous Act of Aggression from Stasis Webbers, and allow us to lock down the speeds of the ninja salvager, without getting Concorded over it.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.06.27 01:38:00 - [125] Quote: They are people who lack the skills to PVP in low sec, Of course. We don't PVP in lowsec much, though. We prefer wormhole space Quote: and aren't smart enough to read the Eve-survival guide to tank a level 4 mission solo on their own. Why the hell would we want to take part in the most boring "Profession" in EVE? Quote: Usually most are a bunch of wanna-be pvp'ers that cant cut it, So they pick on carebear corps. Quote: Me, I want to be able to use a Webber on the Ninja Salvager without it being considered a dangerous act. and I want to be able to use my gank tempest on your missionship without it drawing CONCORD aggression. Sadly, hisec has rules. Quote: Ive tried warping out of missions and hoped the room aggro's on them. But some of them started to get smart and use BC's now. You come back to your mission only to find that they are tanking your mission and salvaging the wrecks. Why the hell would anyone do that in a BC? Smart ninjas use frigates/inties/fast cruisers (for looting) and use speed to tank. Quote: You cant War Dec most of ninja salvagers, since a lot are in NPC corps half of the time. Or are a single man corp which is just a waste of isk to War Dec. Wardec us. We have an entire corp full of wannabe PVPers who can't cut it in lowsec for you to blow up. Quote: Easiest solution is make Stasis Webbers not an act of aggression. ...I hope you're not really suggesting that. How do you feel about slowboating between mission gates while triple webbed by ninjas? Quote: But there should till be a way of discouraging it, aside from warping out, and hoping the level 4 mission you just left blows them sky high. The salvage isn't yours. Ninjaing already has more counters than most lawful hisec professions...Mining can only really be countered by suicide ganking. If you want to be able to stop ninjas, then mission in lowsec. Problem solved.
Gin G Halls Of Valhalla	Posted - 2009.06.27 02:14:00 - [126] heres a question how many people are thinking about/have taken up ninja salvaging after reading this/a thread like this
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.06.27 02:40:00 - [127] Originally by: Gin G heres a question how many people are thinking about/have taken up ninja salvaging after reading this/a thread like this It's funny. I find that Suddenly Ninjas gets a wave of applications whenever there's a threadnaught about ninjasalvaging.
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.06.27 05:27:00 - [128] As a 0.0 pilot I find these threads amazing. I intentionally fly in space that doesn't restrict my behavior because of this nonsense. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic
Ronan Connor	Posted - 2009.06.27 08:06:00 - [129] Originally by: Gin G heres a question how many people are thinking about/have taken up ninja salvaging after reading this/a thread like this signed! Me I am mostly mining. Currently I get some last fine tuning done (industry ship 5 and so). But afterwards I seriously think about starting salvaging. I already have salvaging 5 and 3-4 astrometric skills. All the whining about space debree sucks. A wreck is nothing more but a asteroid. Everybody can come around and mine it before your eyes. You found a belt full of kernite? It sucks as well if you startet 5 min ago and suddenly an orca and 2 hulk come around... Thats the game - live with it.
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.06.27 09:35:00 - [130] ... /me starts singing "The babies on the (Inter)bus go whaa whaa whaa..."
Rip Minner	Posted - 2009.06.27 09:59:00 - [131] Personly I dont know why people cry so much about this. The main reason we did not what nija salvaging is becouse the price of salvage would drop. Guess what it already did. So the more they do it the less its worth. I love geting my rigs cheaper and cheaper keep up the good work guys :)
MacMasters	Posted - 2009.06.27 13:47:00 - [132] Noun Singular salvage Plural salvages salvage (plural salvages) 1. the rescue of a ship, its crew or its cargo from a hazardous situation... (ie, its been blown the hell up and its floating in the middle of nowhere) ok, so in game the ship wreck is the rat's property. in this respect ANY player salvaging is (by your understanding) stealing from its "rightful owner". however, since the rat is dead the wreck belongs to whoever gets to it first. ccp have called the ingame practice "salvaging" to reflect this. end of story.
CKFunkymoped Minmatar Rogue Tribe Productions New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.06.28 07:50:00 - [133] as a mission runner myself i see ninja salvaging part of the game. if they can scan you down fast enough to do this then kudos to them. the only thing i think what would make it a bit more interesting would be to have sleeper style npc behaviour what i mean by this is that if multiple people are in a mission area the npcs can change targets. this would bring back the term ninja to me and you would have to get in and out before they saw you. and if you leave a mission area unguarded then i have no sympathy for you. bookmarking a pace to come back to later is just lazy in my opinion. so what i say to all you ninja salvagers is this if you can then do. its like saying i am mining in this belt so noone else can come in if they do mine my rocks omg omg. come guys see common sense.
Galvatine Caldari Dark Materials Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.28 17:35:00 - [134] Originally by: Jastal My thoughts on Ninja Salvagers... They are people who lack the skills to PVP in low sec, and aren't smart enough to read the Eve-survival guide to tank a level 4 mission solo on their own. ... I think CCP should remove Dangerous Act of Aggression from Stasis Webbers, and allow us to lock down the speeds of the ninja salvager, without getting Concorded over it. Tanking a level 4 requires the cognitive skills of a goat, you are doing level 4 missions BECAUSE it is easy and risk free (since getting killed requires a special kind of ******). You have the nerve to sit there and slag off others that in 50% of cases are trying to bait you into a fight, and you call them "lacking skill". ROFL, take a look at the man in the mirror
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.06.28 17:44:00 - [135] Posting in another ninja salvaging thread. You know, when you think about CONCORD and missions it really doesn't make any sense. Why would CONCORD swoop the rescue if you get attacked by another player but not give a crap that 4,015 Serpentis BS are just hanging out in some 1.0 system? I say take away all CONCORD protection for people in mission sites - if you're in a mission it'd be effectively 0.0. Now when people invade your mission you can shoot them freely - not even any sec. status loss. What could be better?
Ausser Cybertech Industrials Agency	Posted - 2009.06.28 18:06:00 - [136] Originally by: Kessiaan I say take away all CONCORD protection for people in mission sites - if you're in a mission it'd be effectively 0.0. Now when people invade your mission you can shoot them freely - not even any sec. status loss. What could be better? This would require to make it hard/impossible to find someone in a mission, otherwise mission runners are a sitting duck. Since it's impossible to 'make something hard' like probing someone out (max skills and allways find the guy), it would end up in making it impossible. I dont think it's a good idea till someone finds a way to balance it somehow.
Khalia Nestune Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.07.07 04:12:00 - [137] Originally by: Kessiaan I say take away all CONCORD protection for people in mission sites - if you're in a mission it'd be effectively 0.0. Now when people invade your mission you can shoot them freely - not even any sec. status loss. What could be better? Woot. I'll start my own corp when this happens - Suddenly Ganking All Level 1-3 Mission Runners.
Insa Rexion Minmatar Ray of Matar Assembly	Posted - 2009.07.07 07:02:00 - [138] Originally by: Khalia Nestune Originally by: Kessiaan I say take away all CONCORD protection for people in mission sites - if you're in a mission it'd be effectively 0.0. Now when people invade your mission you can shoot them freely - not even any sec. status loss. What could be better? Woot. I'll start my own corp when this happens - Suddenly Ganking All Level 1-3 Mission Runners. Heh... I'll have my alt put in a request to join well mannered ah*
Jint Hikaru Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.07.07 08:08:00 - [139] JUSTAL... do you even think about what you are typing???? Quote: I think CCP should remove Dangerous Act of Aggression from Stasis Webbers, and allow us to lock down the speeds of the ninja salvager, without getting Concorded over it. So what if the ninja-salvager comes in and webs you first??? You will be back on the forums crying for your mom. Did you even think about what greifing would be going on in Hi-Sec if anyone could web anyone???? ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------
Future Mutant	Posted - 2009.07.07 09:35:00 - [140] Originally by: CCP Prism X I have a habit of posting in these threads. See no reason to go against tradition. Sadly, I've already explained the whole shebang a couple of times already and have heard no discussions as to changing the ownership of salvage. Things are working as they were designed and I do believe we're quite happy about what the introduction of salvaging has done for us. So, there's nothing more to add. Except perhaps... Originally by: Ultranoia Salvaging, unlike mission-running, is a competitive profession. I couldn't have said it better myself. This is essentially what it does boil down to. Makes me wonder.. could changing all T1 loot in missions to more salvage drops make mission running a bit less of a droning repetition and even the playing field between the main professions (that does not include salvaging) a little bit. It would reduce the overflow of reprocessed T1 loot minerals, as well as the constant supply of low price T1 from mission drops (which are then resold at higher prices, probably back to the group selling them in the first place, creating the most profitable profession in EVE. Never understood why so many seem to think it's running L4s.) and possibly make running missions a bit more exciting as the choices you make impact your ISK generation more. Sounds all in all more EVE like to me tbh. But you can sleep easy. I don't make those decisions. So it's no more than my twisted thought. I would be so happy if this happened. Loot annoys me. Its heavy, takes multiple trips and it takes too long to squeeze every bit of isk i can out of it. Salvage on the other hand... So who could make this decision and can they be bribed with isk perhaps? I also have exotic dancers
Jdestars Stars Research systems Incorporation	Posted - 2009.07.07 11:45:00 - [141] To reduce the risk of seeing "salvager" in your missions some rules are imperative: -Drones must stay in drone bay , the drones are as lighthouses on the map and easily locatable with any exploration vessel ... maybe a change to do with this point -use some ECCM item and backup array for reduce chance of succesfull scan of your ship (use in your own salvager ship for exemple)
Shapely	Posted - 2009.07.07 12:46:00 - [142] The problem here is that some people start playing EVE without understanding that it is a PVP game, it is about killing and griefing other players. It is not like a traditional good verses evel MMO's where both sides are equal but diffrent. EVE is designed for everyone to be lawless, there is no benefit gained from being lawfull but many from being lawless. High security space exists so that people that havnÆt worked this out will be griefed by those that have until the people that donÆt want to PVP get angry enough to want to PVP or leave the game. If you donÆt want to PVP and just want to do missions then EVE is not designed for you and you will work this out and either start PVP'ing or leave the game. This salvaging mechanism probably results in more people leaving EVE than most other issues in the game but the game is not designed for those people so they should leave. I am not interested in PVP and without the mission griefing EVE would be an enjoyable game for me but EVE is not designed for me and like everyone else that complains about mission salvagers I need to leave and find a non-PVP version.
leich Amarr Knights of the Old Empire	Posted - 2009.07.07 12:54:00 - [143] Nija Salvage is geart. Best Mechanic ever. let me kill carebears i dont want your salage. I want you to agress me. you newb tears fuel my soul.
Chi Quan Bibkor Enterprises	Posted - 2009.07.07 15:00:00 - [144] Originally by: Jdestars To reduce the risk of seeing "salvager" in your missions some rules are imperative: -Drones must stay in drone bay , the drones are as lighthouses on the map and easily locatable with any exploration vessel ... maybe a change to do with this point -use some ECCM item and backup array for reduce chance of succesfull scan of your ship (use in your own salvager ship for exemple) and what do you do to the 20+ wrecks you just made? ---- Ceterum censeo blasters need some tracking love
Robot Robot	Posted - 2009.07.07 16:07:00 - [145] Originally by: CCP Prism X Makes me wonder.. could changing all T1 loot in missions to more salvage drops make mission running a bit less of a droning repetition and even the playing field between the main professions (that does not include salvaging) a little bit. It would reduce the overflow of reprocessed T1 loot minerals, as well as the constant supply of low price T1 from mission drops (which are then resold at higher prices, probably back to the group selling them in the first place, creating the most profitable profession in EVE. Never understood why so many seem to think it's running L4s.) and possibly make running missions a bit more exciting as the choices you make impact your ISK generation more. Sounds all in all more EVE like to me tbh. But you can sleep easy. I don't make those decisions. So it's no more than my twisted thought. AAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! YES!
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:00:00 - [146] Originally by: Jdestars To reduce the risk of seeing "salvager" in your missions some rules are imperative: -use some ECCM item and backup array for reduce chance of succesfull scan of your ship (use in your own salvager ship for exemple) ECCM helps in what way, Sir?? btw. the salvage FFA mechanic is fine, the loot ownership change is broken. There is no reason for ownership change of a pirated ship, see player wrecks loot mechanics where the ownership mechanic is properly implemented.
Kel Nissa	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:41:00 - [147] Originally by: leich Nija Salvage is geart. Best Mechanic ever. let me kill carebears i dont want your salage. I want you to agress me. you newb tears fuel my soul. Its obvious that you are not interested into killing carebears. Otherwise you would use the current loot mechanic to reach your theoretic goal.
Kel Nissa	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:47:00 - [148] > and what do you do to the 20+ wrecks you just made? Hopefully everyone improves their skills to supress probeability. This will immideatly highlight an actually missing feature: The ability to find wrecks! You cant scan them. This is not in line with "salvaging(including ninja style) = profession"
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.07.07 18:01:00 - [149] you cant skill probing-immunity
Kel Nissa	Posted - 2009.07.07 18:23:00 - [150] You can increase the effort high enough to stop ninja-salvaging from being profitable.

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