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Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.09 01:12:00 - [1] For those that argue that EVE is ALL PVP, this thread is not for you. This is for the industrialist, researcher and traders. Do you feel EVE has sufficient features to support your angle on the game? I thought it was nice that CCP included a calculator in the game but it's as if they threw a bone at the carebears while preparing a feast for the PvPers. Manufacturing/Industry project management is non-existent without the use of external apps. Does CCP ever plan on providing proper tools for the carebear crowd as they do for PvPers, or are we the bastard children of EVE? ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.09 01:15:00 - [2] what is carebearing there is only one thing in this game and that is pvp on every scale OFFLINE[ONLINE]
dankness420	Posted - 2009.06.09 01:16:00 - [3] empire space
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.09 01:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Armoured C what is carebearing there is only one thing in this game and that is pvp on every scale keep in mind, without the carebears, pvp would not exist. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution.
Another Liberthas Caldari Ha'Menudim	Posted - 2009.06.09 01:20:00 - [5] Edited by: Another Liberthas on 09/06/2009 01:20:43 Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: Armoured C what is carebearing there is only one thing in this game and that is pvp on every scale keep in mind, without the carebears, pvp would not exist. Trading IS PvP Edit: So is production
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.09 01:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Another Liberthas Edited by: Another Liberthas on 09/06/2009 01:20:43 Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: Armoured C what is carebearing there is only one thing in this game and that is pvp on every scale keep in mind, without the carebears, pvp would not exist. Trading IS PvP Edit: So is production PvP =player versus player. Though it can be argued that trading and production is PvP, I doubt most eve players see it that way. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution.
Schayol Sunkeeper	Posted - 2009.06.09 01:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr PvP =player versus player. Though it can be argued that trading and production is PvP, I doubt most eve players see it that way. ever tried selling stuff in a trade hub ?
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.09 02:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper Originally by: Nooma K'Larr PvP =player versus player. Though it can be argued that trading and production is PvP, I doubt most eve players see it that way. ever tried selling stuff in a trade hub ? Yeah....and? So you try to beat the market price. Not like you just got webbed and podded. So can we get back on topic now?
Gun Gal	Posted - 2009.06.09 02:12:00 - [9] Edited by: Gun Gal on 09/06/2009 02:13:13 you are the basterd children of EVE most PVPers have industry alts,researchers, and manufactures. In fact, most of the major producers are indeed PVPers, they just have alts. like me, I PVP, live in 0.0 yet i have an alt in empire t2 manufacturing pos set up, along with many of the people i know, that produce t2 parts, ships, mods, capital parts, ect. so, your quote "For those that argue that EVE is ALL PVP, this thread is not for you." kinda makes you look like the noob. ya think?
IVeige	Posted - 2009.06.09 02:15:00 - [10] Midas or Quantum rise as the official name was supposed to be THE carebear expansion... The industrial expansion every carebear and their dogs was waiting for. But for some unknown reasons, CCP gave us the orca and thats about it.

Another Liberthas Caldari Ha'Menudim	Posted - 2009.06.09 02:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr [ Yeah....and? So you try to beat the market price. And where's that price come from? Other players. You're competing with OTHER PLAYERS to sell your stuff. That's Player Vs Player right there.
Bestofworst Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.09 02:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper Originally by: Nooma K'Larr PvP =player versus player. Though it can be argued that trading and production is PvP, I doubt most eve players see it that way. ever tried selling stuff in a trade hub ? Yeah....and? So you try to beat the market price. Not like you just got webbed and podded. So can we get back on topic now? You, as a player, are competeing with another player to sell your goods instead of him selling his. Webbing to the trader is setting your price lower than his, podding for a trader is making the sell instead of him.
Another Liberthas Caldari Ha'Menudim	Posted - 2009.06.09 02:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Bestofworst You, as a player, are competeing with another player to sell your goods instead of him selling his. Webbing to the trader is setting your price lower than his, podding for a trader is making the sell instead of him. I beat you! Hahaha, I win at forums
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.06.09 02:38:00 - [14] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: Armoured C what is carebearing there is only one thing in this game and that is pvp on every scale keep in mind, without the carebears, pvp would not exist. Why does everybody say this? It's utter tripe. Without the carebears no doubt some other mechanic would develop or be developed to compensate. Who knows it could even be better. Note: You can mine, misson, produce and trade in low sec. Those in and of them selves are not carebearing activites, so what, pray tell, is absolutly essentail about carebears? I mean besides the endless whine?
Sythyss Paradigm Council	Posted - 2009.06.09 02:39:00 - [15] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper Originally by: Nooma K'Larr PvP =player versus player. Though it can be argued that trading and production is PvP, I doubt most eve players see it that way. ever tried selling stuff in a trade hub ? Yeah....and? So you try to beat the market price. Not like you just got webbed and podded. So can we get back on topic now? lol, you don't understand anything.
Gun Gal	Posted - 2009.06.09 02:49:00 - [16] aye they dont understand squat. take a look down at the gtc whine thread, perfect PVP in action there, called supply and demand.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.09 04:42:00 - [17] what are you all stupid? Stay in topic. or is that too much to ask form the A.D.D. kiddies here? ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution.
Governor LePetomane Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions	Posted - 2009.06.09 04:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Another Liberthas Edited by: Another Liberthas on 09/06/2009 01:20:43 Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: Armoured C what is carebearing there is only one thing in this game and that is pvp on every scale keep in mind, without the carebears, pvp would not exist. Trading IS PvP Edit: So is production Semantic argument strikes thread perfectly, wrecking for over 9000 damage.
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.06.09 04:50:00 - [19] Edited by: Kessiaan on 09/06/2009 04:52:37 Originally by: Nooma K'Larr For those that argue that EVE is ALL PVP, this thread is not for you. This is for the industrialist, researcher and traders. Do you feel EVE has sufficient features to support your angle on the game? I thought it was nice that CCP included a calculator in the game but it's as if they threw a bone at the carebears while preparing a feast for the PvPers. Manufacturing/Industry project management is non-existent without the use of external apps. Does CCP ever plan on providing proper tools for the carebear crowd as they do for PvPers, or are we the bastard children of EVE? I do logistics for my corp. I build all the T1 ships we blow up (without jump logistics it's much easier to build them on site), I research all the BPOs for all the T1 ships we blow up, I run the market to get all my corpmates the T2 stuff that we can't build and have to haul out from highsec. Hell, I even break my Hulk out and mine sometimes if I find a suitable wormhole site (suitable = empty of POS and only links to one reasonably secure lowsec system). I'm also -8.3 and have a decent killboard. So I don't personally feel the industry and pvp sides of EvE are or even should be mutually exclusive.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.06.09 05:01:00 - [20] I do agree that it's kind of lame that you pretty much need external programs to be remotely efficient when it comes to manufacturing, researching, invention, etc. First thing I have to do when I wonder if something would be profitable is ALT+TAB out and start up EVEMEEP or some other program.

Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.06.09 05:15:00 - [21] Industry is waaaay too accessible and too low on the SP requirement side. Anyone willing to sacrifice 5 days of training or so (with the attribute remap and double SP till 1.6M) with the ability to browse contracts can manufacture just as well as a multi-year industrialist. A full manualt account (with 30 production pipelines) can produce 5400 battleships a month (many more at an amarr outpost). If you've read the econ newsletter and remember the .61 ships/month lost in PvP figure and 300,000 accounts you can readily see how ONE industrialist can supply a significant portion PvP losses incurred by hundreds of thousands of players. Which explains why only 4% of characters keep their manufacturing slots busy. That said I'm not about to ask for any nerfs, buffs or changes. Knowing how that sort of thing turned out in the past I'd expect the nerfbat to swing, miss, badly damage one vaguely related profession (mission running?) and utterly wreck a playing style (exploration?). And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question?
Agent Known Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.06.09 05:28:00 - [22] There's plenty of PvE (Player verses Everyone).

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.06.09 06:25:00 - [23] If you don't find enough carebear things to do you're clearly playing the game in PVP mode. Win a Aeon mothership for 10M ISK

Bibbleibble	Posted - 2009.06.09 07:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Chribba If you don't find enough carebear things to do you're clearly playing the game in PVP mode. Chribba has spoken! But seriously, he has a point. There are more than enough carebear activities in eve, and if you want more, mainstream MMORPGs are just a mouse click away. ________________________________________________ Check out my ideas! New Destroyers
Pilot Abilene	Posted - 2009.06.09 08:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Another Liberthas Originally by: Nooma K'Larr [ Yeah....and? So you try to beat the market price. And where's that price come from? Other players. You're competing with OTHER PLAYERS to sell your stuff. That's Player Vs Player right there. So by your logic crafting items and playing the auction house in WOW is PvP too? Sorry but the whole market PvP argument is mute because just about every MMOs these days has a market and crafting system, maybe not as advanced as EVE's but they still operates under the same basic principals...producing something under cost or undercutting someone on the market is not PvP lol...you can do the same thing in most non PvP orientated MMOs, does that make them PvP games? I think not.
Bibbleibble	Posted - 2009.06.09 08:56:00 - [26] Originally by: Pilot Abilene Originally by: Another Liberthas Originally by: Nooma K'Larr [ Yeah....and? So you try to beat the market price. And where's that price come from? Other players. You're competing with OTHER PLAYERS to sell your stuff. That's Player Vs Player right there. So by your logic crafting items and playing the auction house in WOW is PvP too? Sorry but the whole market PvP argument is mute because just about every MMOs these days has a market and crafting system, maybe not as advanced as EVE's but they still operates under the same basic principals...producing something under cost or undercutting someone on the market is not PvP lol...you can do the same thing in most non PvP orientated MMOs, does that make them PvP games? I think not. Most people would agree with you. But they would be wrong. In my view, if you have spent time making a collection of stuff to sell, and someone comes along and undercuts your prices to the point where you sell nothing, is that not a fairly damaging thing to happen to you? With EVE's incredibly complex economy (by the standards of most MMOs), every single action you do is PVP. By mining you are immediately reducing the value of someone else work, which seems to me fairly damaging to that player. By running a mission, you also reduce the value of loyalty points, and the accompanying faction gear. By putting this onto the market, you are cutting into other peoples profits, and that is putting you into competition with that player. Competition between players = PVP. There can be no argument about that.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.09 09:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr For those that argue that EVE is ALL PVP, this thread is not for you. This is for the industrialist, researcher and traders. Those activities are all (non-combat) PvP Also, didn't you emo-quit last week?
Vanzatoarea	Posted - 2009.06.09 09:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Pilot Abilene Originally by: Another Liberthas Originally by: Nooma K'Larr [ Yeah....and? So you try to beat the market price. And where's that price come from? Other players. You're competing with OTHER PLAYERS to sell your stuff. That's Player Vs Player right there. So by your logic crafting items and playing the auction house in WOW is PvP too? Sorry but the whole market PvP argument is mute because just about every MMOs these days has a market and crafting system, maybe not as advanced as EVE's but they still operates under the same basic principals...producing something under cost or undercutting someone on the market is not PvP lol...you can do the same thing in most non PvP orientated MMOs, does that make them PvP games? I think not. You forget to factor in the fact that (to my knowledge) EvE is the only mmo with loss mechanics . That is what generates demand and that is what makes EvE trading/crafting compleatly different from WoW or other junk Allso , you do not have any fixed prices in EvE , the market is player-run and very dinamic compared to other games. To the op : People who keep saying EvE is all about PvP allmoast never mean EvE is all about counterstrike in space . Imho the carebear insult should be exclusevly reserved for NPC corp people missioning in highsec . Sadly a lot of people have carebear alter-egos in here.....CCP alone is to blame for that
shwarzkauph bullets with butterfly wings	Posted - 2009.06.09 10:17:00 - [29] No CCP doesent do enough for "carebears". PVP is fun, probably funnest part of the game. I enjoy PVP, but I also enjoy exploration, mining, missions. I find most PVP focused players to be true sociopaths, definetly self centered and, surely egotistical. Most think their very tough and talk tough...just because thier good at internet spaceships. lol. CCP doesent do enough for the Non PVP crowd. CCP does just enough so that you think they want to cater to this crowd, as well as the PVP player. They extend the hook and players keep on biting, staying, hoping the game will improve for all play styles, but truth is, we know it wont. When MMO's with less psycopaths, and high in quality come out, you can be sure the player base will drop. Eve's all about PVP, many say? well how the **** do you know, are you a DEV? If the game were only about PVP then CCP wouldnt have put NON pvp stuff in the game. The PVP crowd will be happy when the carebears leave for other MMO's. yeah, real happy when there is only 10 max logged in on peak times. I remember then that was the case, many many empty systems. The pvpers will have reall fun then. lol. Lots of targets u lose
Pilot Abilene	Posted - 2009.06.09 10:35:00 - [30] Originally by: Vanzatoarea Originally by: Pilot Abilene Originally by: Another Liberthas Originally by: Nooma K'Larr [ Yeah....and? So you try to beat the market price. And where's that price come from? Other players. You're competing with OTHER PLAYERS to sell your stuff. That's Player Vs Player right there. So by your logic crafting items and playing the auction house in WOW is PvP too? Sorry but the whole market PvP argument is mute because just about every MMOs these days has a market and crafting system, maybe not as advanced as EVE's but they still operates under the same basic principals...producing something under cost or undercutting someone on the market is not PvP lol...you can do the same thing in most non PvP orientated MMOs, does that make them PvP games? I think not. You forget to factor in the fact that (to my knowledge) EvE is the only mmo with loss mechanics . That is what generates demand and that is what makes EvE trading/crafting compleatly different from WoW or other junk Allso , you do not have any fixed prices in EvE , the market is player-run and very dinamic compared to other games. To the op : People who keep saying EvE is all about PvP allmoast never mean EvE is all about counterstrike in space . Imho the carebear insult should be exclusevly reserved for NPC corp people missioning in highsec . Sadly a lot of people have carebear alter-egos in here.....CCP alone is to blame for that All MMO markets are player driven...In fact, unlike most other MMOs EVE actually has NPC set prices which does govern a lot of trade. So does that make it a less player driven market? No because luckily EVE's market has a lot of variables and a more complex nature(I'm just saying)...sure technically it is player vs player interaction but it doesn't warrant the PvP label. If it does then all the carebear games out there are PvP too in that regard. I'm sorry but I'm from the old school belief in the PvP label...which originated from player killing. If ppl want to use it in the watered down format that it is used in todays games like market PvP etc then go for it lol. It's not what I believe the label to be.



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