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Secretary Phase
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Posted - 2009.06.16 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Secretary Phase on 16/06/2009 20:12:13
 Originally by: Mutnin
Edited by: Mutnin on 16/06/2009 19:22:58
You Amarr fly around all day in shiny T2 frigs and other Costly ships but you mean to tell me you can't gather up a measly 50 mil or what ever it is a week to war dec them?
At least SF, UK are in "real" Corps/Alliance that allow you to war dec them if you weren't too scared to do so. At least they don't hide in a noob corp that makes it impossible to War Dec like GDip's neutral alts and that Xano tard.
As for you saying you don't complain.. lol then what are you doing in all this topic? Seems like a lot of complaining to me.
First off I am not Amarr, second I am just an observer - but following the conflict just filled me with disgust for the Minmatar Militia for some of the reasons stated above.
As I am not involved, I also have no reason to complain.
What you may wrongly have interpreted as complaints was just setting things straight, which I felt urged to because you complain about a handfull of neutrals scouting and repping you actually can shoot as soon as they intervene with remote reps whereas you have a whole alliance (not mentioning UK because I've not heard of them intervening a lot) with substantial cap capabilities intervening the conflict on your side in a far more active manner than this hand full of neutrals you keep whining about ever could.
Moreover, I have talked to some CEO's on the Amarr side and basically, their stance is that:
First of all, most of the militia corps are rather small and don't have big corp wallets - pilots fund their own ships and it's up to them to fly what they want to afford. Moreover, SF wants to interfere with their operations against their valid wartargets - if SF wants to do so, that's fine - but it's them who have to pay for that.
For an alliance easily affording to lose roughly 4 billion isk in ships and fittings a week like they did in the last (sunday to sunday - 2x Succubus, 2 x T3 cruisers, 1 orca and a bunch of T2 and faction cruisers) to sneak onto ten (!) Minmatar militia killmails vs Amarr in return, wardeccing the whole top ten of the Amarr Militia must be peanuts.
Best regards
Secretary Phase
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.16 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 16/06/2009 20:14:58
Originally by: Secretary Phase
As denoted in their most recent statement, the CVA are no longer supporting the Amarr Militia due to finding some of the most successfull Amarr militia corps on their KOS list. So even if they did jump in to help them out, that would be quite undesirable for a quite substantial amount of the militia.
Best regards
Secretary Phase
Now this is indeed some funny stuff if it's true..Amarr Militia couldn't keep it's own corps from pirating in CVA space? Now they are KOS? 
However this brings up a interesting point.. I guess it was all fun and games when CVa was there to do your bidding. However if they truly are no longer helping Amarr Militia that makes the complaints about SF,UK all the more funny.
In other words it was all good when you had Provi blob to back you, but now that you don't it's unfair?
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.16 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Edited by: Merdaneth on 16/06/2009 18:27:44
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Campaign details - Operation Castrato
Start date:2008-11-30End date:Active
Kills:819Losses:356
Looks good to me.
Indeed. My personal statistics are roughly comparable to those of the entire SF alliance, and I'm satisfied too.
Unless.... You think that my 180 odd losses are significantly less than your 356 for the about the same number of kills?
Truly good work.
I think when you finally start flying a ship that actually requires a bit of "risk" rather than the ability to run away all the time. Well then maybe you can talk about others losses.
Any noob can fly around in a Inti's all day and get on KM's with out ever risking anything. |
Secretary Phase
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Posted - 2009.06.16 20:26:00 -
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Actually, that statement lies months back and can be found here.
Moreover, Gunship Diplomacy has been KOS to CVA for months, but currently isn't. Former Amarr FW corps like Slackers, Armada or A Few Good Men and The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels were allways KOS to CVA.
Helljumpers and Absinthe (and some more) have been KOS pretty much since they were founded. |
BattleStar Crusader
Amarr
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.16 21:56:00 -
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We don't really complain about the nuetral alliances helping you. Read back i see no complaint, merely replies to your whining. As for the two nuetral guardians i dont belive I've ever seen them. I know for a fact that 25% of our militia can use guardians. Maybe becuase they don't get on kills or you never killing them, leads you to belive they are nuetral.
AS for the KOS standings with CVA i am perma KOS to Severence hense the corp is KOS to Providense and has been since before the it joined the militia. The engagements recently, in which they droped a considerably amount of cap ships, they did so to kill Starfraction im sure you can ask them about it and they will validate that fact.
And as for your accusation of spies, well if your scouts you use do their job properly you will notice the large amount of cloaked MILITIA covert op vessels jumping between systems and following your fleets around. We do have sources inside your militia but please know they are paid handsomley for the intelegence they provide and remain anonamouse for that. Also that they are not operated by anyone i know in the amarr miltia, they just happened to be in the right chat channel at the right time and found his part of the market where he could earn a considerable amount of money. He was in the your militia a long time before before he turned.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.16 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Secretary Phase
Moreover, I think you've risen an interesting point there - if the Amarr are constantly backed up by 2 neutral guardians as they claim, those would be flagged as soon as they start to rep and are free to shoot for the Minmatar militia - interestingly enough though, I haven't found any records of neutral guardians in either the Amarr or the Minmatar battlereports.
The reason is rather simple: they don't exist.
Reps don't count as aggression so when the Matari do engage the nutral logistics, they simply jump through a gate & back in to break locks / damage. This is why they rarely die.
They do exist.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.17 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
We don't really complain about the nuetral alliances helping you. Read back i see no complaint, merely replies to your whining. As for the two nuetral guardians i dont belive I've ever seen them. I know for a fact that 25% of our militia can use guardians. Maybe becuase they don't get on kills or you never killing them, leads you to belive they are nuetral.
AS for the KOS standings with CVA i am perma KOS to Severence hense the corp is KOS to Providense and has been since before the it joined the militia. The engagements recently, in which they droped a considerably amount of cap ships, they did so to kill Starfraction im sure you can ask them about it and they will validate that fact.
And as for your accusation of spies, well if your scouts you use do their job properly you will notice the large amount of cloaked MILITIA covert op vessels jumping between systems and following your fleets around. We do have sources inside your militia but please know they are paid handsomley for the intelegence they provide and remain anonamouse for that. Also that they are not operated by anyone i know in the amarr miltia, they just happened to be in the right chat channel at the right time and found his part of the market where he could earn a considerable amount of money. He was in the your militia a long time before before he turned.
lol that's even more funny if it's true that you actually have to pay for your spies.. 
Honestly man.. if you actually had any scouts worth a dam, you wouldn't need to pay for spys. Hence the reason we don't need to fleet spies in your fleets. We actually go out and scout..
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Kha'rific-Mintor Outriders.
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Posted - 2009.06.17 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Secretary Phase
Of course it is very well possible to set SF red for militia corps and individual militia pilots, but that doesn't change the fact that they are not a valid wartarget...
Not only are SF actively helping with money, RR and intel, they also wardec few corps to actively engage them and disrupt their resupply routes in highsec
So which is it? They are or aren't valid war-targets?
Don't think they're on our side per-se, either. They are anti-government, so naturally when the Amarrian Empire has collapsed (it won't, so we are safe) then they will focus their efforts on the Republic and other governments; it is the anarchists way. For now they do more good than harm. Situational allies. |
BattleStar Crusader
Amarr
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.17 14:34:00 -
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Mutin you do amuse me, your answers are so trivial and erratic. Obviousley our scouts are worth a damn and they do theyre job very well, otherwise why would you be compaining about us constantly, and how would we always be able to out-manouver you. As for us paying for the "spies", well the money is taken from the loot your militia drops. Funny it may be but only to us, surley you would be more worried about one of your own being a turncoat and providing extremley delicate information about yourselves. And of the subject of your spies in our fleet. It has been proven they sit in our fleet, read above my friend, we dont care as you may of noticed. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.17 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 17/06/2009 17:17:51
Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
Mutin you do amuse me, your answers are so trivial and erratic. Obviousley our scouts are worth a damn and they do theyre job very well, otherwise why would you be compaining about us constantly, and how would we always be able to out-manouver you. As for us paying for the "spies", well the money is taken from the loot your militia drops. Funny it may be but only to us, surley you would be more worried about one of your own being a turncoat and providing extremley delicate information about yourselves. And of the subject of your spies in our fleet. It has been proven they sit in our fleet, read above my friend, we dont care as you may of noticed.
That's odd we use the loot your guys drop to payback ship losses. I wonder which your pilots would prefer.. A) loot drop money going to some spy.. or B) loot drop money going into ship reimbursement fund.
Your spies don't really affect us much.. If you notice my complaints were more along the lines of your Neutral alts that always end up in your fleets.
I do notice a difference between Amarr and Minmatar and I'd be amazed if all of your militia holds the same view on your neutrals and spies. See we tend to like the "surprise" of what is happening next and winning fights because we did a better job. Hence the reason we don't depend on spies in your gangs or neutral alts.
It appears from your words you care little about anything but if you can win a fight even if you have to lie and cheat. This makes any win of yours a hollow victory. While I quite imagine these hollow wins you might get from time to time make "you" happy, I do wonder if the rest of the Amarr Militia feel the same way?
Do none of your Militia care about the competition of fighting it out and winning because you did a better job, or are they all mindless slaves to your no skills needed approach?
It would be interesting to see what others think in your Militia on the subject of your neutrals and spies. I have already seen someone post they think the neutrals do more harm than good. It makes me wonder how many people in your Militia think your tactics are weak and lazy.
In the end every fight we win, shows just how much better we are than you, simply because we do it with out the neutrals and spies. |
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BattleStar Crusader
Amarr
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.17 19:40:00 -
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And every fight we win shows we are better than you, seems we have met a mutual agreement. The addition of the Sole nuetral in some, not all, of our fleets is a valid tactic, i never ask for the nuetral to be in fleet i never personaly go out of my way to get him into fleets, what people do with there alts is not my decision. Nither do we rely on him to win our victories he is merly a nice bonus.. Sorry if you epeen is hurt by the majority of our victories. If you would care to take not that the majority of our victories are in vastly smaller and undergunner ships.
And the same question to you i would like to see the view of your entire militia as your word dont seem to carry much sway. AS for your claims about my miltia view being different i am keen to hear them aswell. For they still join my fleets and are more than happy to fly under me.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.17 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
And every fight we win shows we are better than you, seems we have met a mutual agreement. The addition of the Sole nuetral in some, not all, of our fleets is a valid tactic, i never ask for the nuetral to be in fleet i never personaly go out of my way to get him into fleets, what people do with there alts is not my decision. Nither do we rely on him to win our victories he is merly a nice bonus.. Sorry if you epeen is hurt by the majority of our victories. If you would care to take not that the majority of our victories are in vastly smaller and undergunner ships.
And the same question to you i would like to see the view of your entire militia as your word dont seem to carry much sway. AS for your claims about my miltia view being different i am keen to hear them aswell. For they still join my fleets and are more than happy to fly under me.
Actually, it is your decision to let them in your fleet, if you are the FC. A neutral obviously can't X up in your Militia channel. You or your squad commanders have to invite him, meaning it is your final decision to let them in as the FC. |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.06.17 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mutnin
Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
And every fight we win shows we are better than you, seems we have met a mutual agreement. The addition of the Sole nuetral in some, not all, of our fleets is a valid tactic, i never ask for the nuetral to be in fleet i never personaly go out of my way to get him into fleets, what people do with there alts is not my decision. Nither do we rely on him to win our victories he is merly a nice bonus.. Sorry if you epeen is hurt by the majority of our victories. If you would care to take not that the majority of our victories are in vastly smaller and undergunner ships.
And the same question to you i would like to see the view of your entire militia as your word dont seem to carry much sway. AS for your claims about my miltia view being different i am keen to hear them aswell. For they still join my fleets and are more than happy to fly under me.
Actually, it is your decision to let them in your fleet, if you are the FC. A neutral obviously can't X up in your Militia channel. You or your squad commanders have to invite him, meaning it is your final decision to let them in as the FC.
He is referring to the spies that inflitrate the 24th militia corp that x up in the militia channel and join our fleets. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.17 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious
He is referring to the spies that inflitrate the 24th militia corp that x up in the militia channel and join our fleets.
Well if they do, it's news to me as I've only been in 1 fleet that was getting active intel from a spy in one of your gangs. Thankfully the FC stood up a said he didn't want the intel and everyone else seemed to agree.
I think that's the point you are missing.. Most of us, or at least the gangs I tend to fly in, just want to fight. We don't care what you guys are doing or what you had for lunch. We just want ship types, location and how many WT's are there. All of this we can find out by just using scouts.
Honestly, I really don't even get the point of having spies. The only things you need to know to fight are what I listed above. If a FC needs a spy then he's just out right lazy end of story. |
BattleStar Crusader
Amarr
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.18 10:11:00 -
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Please do keep trolling and whining its funny to see your argument breaking down.
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Lord Ira
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
... what people do with there alts is not my decision. Nither do we rely on him to win our victories he is merly a nice bonus.. Sorry if you epeen is hurt by the majority of our victories.
What is an epeen, and what are alts? |
Aphoxakhan
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:57:00 -
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My mouth is held open, the rain pours and it's contents I am unaware of. Intoxicating drugs, life draining poisons, addictive components of idiocy... free me from the grip of lies and corruption, I want to dance free and escape to the artillery of liberation.
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