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Lebaneur
Minmatar
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2009.06.09 10:48:00 -
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For those who wonder why Minmatar Militia has not yet overruled Amarr on the Tribal Front we want to remind you that Minmatar Militia is active where ever there is a need to fight for the interest of the Republic and Matari people. Currently that means on four fronts.
On the Amarr front everything is under control at the moment. We have the Amarr exactly where we want them -- fighting fiercely for every system while we easily defend our own territory. Their main forces are cornered into Kamela and when ever they venture to move out an equal force is deployed to counter them.
Our militia has also taken a brave task to clear Amamake from pirate terror and secure our support lines from high sec. The systematic obliteration of industrial and moon mining structures and fleets defending them has forced the Heretic Nation to scramble up defense for their industrial backbone. Heretics will be forced to move out of the high security gateway systems or their ability to operate will crumble.
United Militia expeditions also join their forces with our allies, The Gallente Militia, for raids into Caldari occupied systems. These raids to Old Man Star and Heydieles will stop the Caldari support for the Slaver Empire and strenghten the bonds between allied Gallente and Matari people. We reach out to help each other whenever we can.
Furthermore, in addition to War between Factions, the Matari Militia execute raids to Providence region mainly to cause havoc for the slave driven operations of CVA alliance, which the Amarr Militia is protecting.
For those who ask whether all this sensible we say: Make no mistake, we can handle it. The spirit of the tribes is strong and will guide our powers.
Tribal Front Correspondent
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.09 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 09/06/2009 10:56:25
 Originally by: Lebaneur
On the Amarr front everything is under control at the moment. We have the Amarr exactly where we want them -- fighting fiercely for every system while we easily defend our own territory. Their main forces are cornered into Kamela and when ever they venture to move out an equal force is deployed to counter them.
That's odd, because less than a week ago one of your allies was claiming that the Amarr militia had been driven out of Kamela. |
Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.06.09 11:58:00 -
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It made me so laugh nearly stalked in my robe and dropped on the floor.
If 34.96 performance is exactly where you wanted us then mad props. If there would be another combat units added from amarr militia it would drop to 20%.
I would expect more better thread from Tribal Core member. At least a post that doesnt backfire on him.
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Grr
Amarr
Epitoth Guard
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.09 12:18:00 -
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I've yet to see any significant tribal gang in CVA space other than a few frigates which are usually quickly removed.
Go back to your cave, rethink your words before you beat your chest here again.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.09 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 09/06/2009 13:27:41
You also rarely *SEE* U'K in provi, but we are there. 
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Soren Delrayo
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Posted - 2009.06.09 14:09:00 -
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As a neutral trader in The Bleak Lands with friends in both militias, I have noticed some very interesting things lately. The Minmatar for the first time have been effectively dealing with the pirate threat in Amamake, allowing free trade to flourish. My profits have increased substantially in the last few weeks.
Every day I see Minmatar Battleship gangs with 40+ members roaming Amarr space unopposed. I spoke with one of my friends in the Amarr Militia yesterday and she told me that currently they cannot muster the forces necessary to defeat the current threat.
Currently the Minmatar are doing well for themselves. But this could change at any time. I am assuming that CVA will get involved soon since the Militia cannot fix their own problems.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.09 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 09/06/2009 14:31:57
Originally by: Grr
I've yet to see any significant tribal gang in CVA space other than a few frigates which are usually quickly removed.
Go back to your cave, rethink your words before you beat your chest here again.
I've yet to see you ever "remove" any of our gangs. The only thing you guys do, is stick a bubble camp up on the out gate. Meanwhile we typically have our way with in your space until we are ready to leave.
Regardless, you guys should be thankful for our raids. It has to be dam boring down there doing nothing more than chaining belts all day.. |
BattleStar Crusader
Amarr
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.09 16:38:00 -
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I honestly do not get what you minmitar are trying to achieve. And i sometimes doubt what war you are fighting, becuse its seems your fighting an imagenary one where you are actually wining. I dont want to smack at all and am rather fond of a decent and well worded argument.
But in response to your statements about the amarr militia.
We are as cornered into kamela as you are into dal, we have more hi sec options in kamela, i can see how you think we are cornered but when we have 2 low sec entry points to choose from and 4 hi sec systems to base out of i wouldnt call that cornered.
You say you run fleets un opposed through our space. what size ships are these in and can you confirm half of these don't have cloaks?. I run fleets almost every night for the amarr militia now and out of the last two weeks i have lost 1 engagment. AS i have said before i will only form the blob if there is a sufficent enemy fleet to go and destroy. I give it to you, you form up quite adaquet fleets which a majority of the time out number us by 20 people,most of these fleet unfortunatly never enter the sights of my pilots locking range, as they end up in ossogur of stuck in a station. Maybe if you fight you can back your words a bit better.
On the subject of our militia having internal problems, what problems are these, i know of none. We have no real structure but every member knows his place, we have fc's, we have our player corps and we have our intel. I have intel that the minmitar militia is in a far worse state, fighting each other, stopping people from joining fleets and a serious lack of a HOME system.
If you could be a bit more specific about "our problems" im sure i can inform you of the real situation. but as for comments like these:
"fighting fiercely for every system while we easily defend our own territory. Their main forces are cornered into Kamela and when ever they venture to move out an equal force is deployed to counter them."
You should consider your words a bit more when making these false statments.
BattleStar Crusader
CEO Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Soren Delrayo
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Posted - 2009.06.09 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
You say you run fleets un opposed through our space. what size ships are these in and can you confirm half of these don't have cloaks?. I run fleets almost every night for the amarr militia now and out of the last two weeks i have lost 1 engagment. AS i have said before i will only form the blob if there is a sufficent enemy fleet to go and destroy. I give it to you, you form up quite adaquet fleets which a majority of the time out number us by 20 people,most of these fleet unfortunatly never enter the sights of my pilots locking range, as they end up in ossogur of stuck in a station. Maybe if you fight you can back your words a bit better.
Pilot, you might want to check your facts before posting again. Dark-Rising has been running 40 man BS fleets all over The Bleak Lands for a couple of weeks now. My friends in 24IC tell me the only reason why they are able to do this however is a lack of competent FC's in the Amarr Militia. In fact, according to some friends of mine in the Minmatar Militia, Dark-Rising kicked your ass all the way from Taff to Kamela early last week.
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On the subject of our militia having internal problems, what problems are these, i know of none. We have no real structure but every member knows his place, we have fc's, we have our player corps and we have our intel. I have intel that the minmitar militia is in a far worse state, fighting each other, stopping people from joining fleets and a serious lack of a HOME system.
The lack of a Minmatar home system is something that is being worked on according to my sources. I hope that situation gets sorted out soon, as it will make a good opportunity for profit.
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If you could be a bit more specific about "our problems" im sure i can inform you of the real situation.
I believe the problem with 24IC right now is not a lack of organization per se. It is a lack of skilled and talented FC's. I hope more people step up to the plate, as more ships getting blown up on both sides means more profit for me.
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BattleStar Crusader
Amarr
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.09 17:29:00 -
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Oh you need to check your facts, dark are a major issue, we went to taff to fight them and yes they scored 3-4 kills against us and when they decided to drop 2 nuetral carriers we did run, we then turned to fight, we engaged, and they brought in carriers again, so we withdrew in organisation and found a minmitar fleet on the hoff gate in dal. We jumped and warped away with no tackles, we then reformed. Not a loss at all in the eyes of the many many expensive t2 ships that got out. AS there was technically no fight there was no loss.
We lost a major engament on that same gate not long before and i admit that was down to me trusting my fleet and my confidense in our ability to tackle and kill darks sniper fleet. Lag poped its head up and the minmitar did well to handle our fleet.
Yes Dark do run around in huge battleship fleets, which unfornatley we are unable to counter on some occasions. But this rarely happens. (1-2 times a fortnight) But this says alot about the milita in general, Dark is the minmitar militia at the moment, and the lack of minmitar fc's with the ability to counter us is a testimony to that.
As for our lack of "compitent" fc's there is non, and if there is a member of our militia who thinks there is, come forth and tell us, so we can show you there isn't any. |
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Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar
Cwn Annwn Clan
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Posted - 2009.06.09 17:55:00 -
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The Amarr can never admit the truth when it comes to us. How can they admit they are losing or even holding their own against people they consider inferior? They will always say we are losing, they have no choice. Admiting otherwise means re-examining everything they believe, the one thing they cannot do.
I have run with Dark Rising on occasion, but the majority of the time run with the general militia fleet. We have been clearing out pirates, we have been killing more ships, we have been contesting more systems, all while trying desperately to find someone from Amarr other than G. Dip willing to undock. And yes, we have had time to assist the Gallente as well. I have heard the Amarr have been putting blobs out after prayer hour, but haven't seen anything that would show me these are being effective. The rest of the day, belongs to the Minmatar.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.09 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 09/06/2009 17:59:00
Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
I honestly do not get what you minmitar are trying to achieve. And i sometimes doubt what war you are fighting, becuse its seems your fighting an imagenary one where you are actually wining. I dont want to smack at all and am rather fond of a decent and well worded argument.
But in response to your statements about the amarr militia.
We are as cornered into kamela as you are into dal, we have more hi sec options in kamela, i can see how you think we are cornered but when we have 2 low sec entry points to choose from and 4 hi sec systems to base out of i wouldnt call that cornered.
You say you run fleets un opposed through our space. what size ships are these in and can you confirm half of these don't have cloaks?. I run fleets almost every night for the amarr militia now and out of the last two weeks i have lost 1 engagment. AS i have said before i will only form the blob if there is a sufficent enemy fleet to go and destroy. I give it to you, you form up quite adaquet fleets which a majority of the time out number us by 20 people,most of these fleet unfortunatly never enter the sights of my pilots locking range, as they end up in ossogur of stuck in a station. Maybe if you fight you can back your words a bit better.
On the subject of our militia having internal problems, what problems are these, i know of none. We have no real structure but every member knows his place, we have fc's, we have our player corps and we have our intel. I have intel that the minmitar militia is in a far worse state, fighting each other, stopping people from joining fleets and a serious lack of a HOME system.
If you could be a bit more specific about "our problems" im sure i can inform you of the real situation. but as for comments like these:
"fighting fiercely for every system while we easily defend our own territory. Their main forces are cornered into Kamela and when ever they venture to move out an equal force is deployed to counter them."
You should consider your words a bit more when making these false statments.
BattleStar Crusader
CEO Absinthe Brothers Consortium
You guys are having to base out of high sec now for the most part, your old base was Kamela. How is this not Amarr losing functioning control of the system? Sure you can jump in from high sec easily, that's not in question but the fact is you have lost functioning control of your old home system.
I think that is what he means by putting you in the corner, is just that.. You can't actively base in Kamela now.. You have been pushed back into high sec.
Granted, I'd give credit to SF for that, as they tend to do most of the station camping in Kamela. Our militia has done it's part but I don't think many of us like playing station games.
As for the "home" system you mentioned, that is not really a serious problem.. it's more a thing of convenience that "I" brought up on our forums.
Minmatar militia has managed a long time using bases as they do now in various systems. I just brought up the point it would be easier to form fleets if we would pick just one.
However it is nice to see you openly admit, that you have to resort to using spys. It's not as if it's a big surprise though, you guys have had to resort to using neutral remote rep alts in the past and more recently neutral covt ops alts for ganks.
It's kinda sad really and I was personally always against that kind of stuff, but I guess I will have to rethink my personal views on the subject.
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Veshta Yoshida
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.09 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Soren Delrayo
As a neutral trader in The Bleak Lands with friends in both militias...
You call this hogwash neutral? Wow, I bet you are way out there when you are biased.
You trade in Amamake which means you sell to insurgents and pirates only, because no one else bothers with that market with Rens nearby, which makes you an insurgent just the same as your clients.
Originally by: Soren Delrayo
Every day I see Minmatar Battleship gangs with 40+ members roaming Amarr space unopposed.
Yes, Mr. Taylor has a an impressive sniper BS thing going. Utterly inconsequential but impressive nonetheless. The war is not fought by the kill statistics or fleet sizes.
Perhaps this "friend" who feeds you all this valuable information should take the time to actually undock and fight the fight so he realises what it is all about.
Originally by: Soren Delrayo
Currently the Minmatar are doing well for themselves. But this could change at any time. I am assuming that CVA will get involved soon since the Militia cannot fix their own problems.
Read above, there is no problem. When DARK are not fielding their Battleships they die in droves just like everything else that opposes the eternal Empire.
DARK's 'magnificent' roams are rather lacking as Battlestar points out. They have come to Kamela a few times but the system is usually empty since we are out doing our duty.
Again, your "friend" is either completely incompetent or he is deliberately feeding you false information.
Originally by: Mutnin
You guys are having to base out of high sec now for the most part, your old base was Kamela.
Huh? Why am I always the last person to be told these things!
Star Fraction's war declarations against a couple of corporations has moved the actual fleet assembling away from the single station system. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the insurgents.
We now form in Kourmonen, Auga, Tuomuta, Dal .. anywhere people have ship really so not that hard a blow. Actually working out well as people are spreading ships around allowing for easier reshipping when required. |
BattleStar Crusader
Amarr
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.09 18:21:00 -
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Again the argument falls into the timezone wars. I cannot speak for american timezone as i dont play in it often. I speak only of my experiences in the EU time zone. And i admit i should of been clearer with the whole kamela subject. Starfraction have made it harder to undock large ships. But most of my corps ships are still there, as is 90% of the militia. Thought i would clarify my statement for those who are very single minded pilots. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.09 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 09/06/2009 19:04:23
Originally by: Veshta Yoshida
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Funny you posted here.. I was wondering if this Amon Xeno neutral remote rep alt was related to you?
Seems he's always in the same fights you are..odd isn't it?
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Aphoxakhan
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.09 19:26:00 -
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This is an interesting battle of beliefs; This is a battle that can not be one until someone believes that it has been lost. I'm confident every side of the discussion is certain of their own facts.
The real problem I believe is is that space is so damn big. Plenty of places to hide, business to deal with, it is impossible for the hand to know what the other is doing when they are stretched apart by lightyears. Clearly there must be some agreement to where the battle must really be at, but then no one can claim they own a system when every is fluttering around there.
Very complicated, very difficult to sort. This delightful dance may yet be the best just the way it is now. I do know I am having fun watching the infuriation unable to contain itself. Let's go, Happiness, and view the spectacle. |
Soren Delrayo
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Posted - 2009.06.09 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
Oh you need to check your facts, dark are a major issue, we went to taff to fight them and yes they scored 3-4 kills against us and when they decided to drop 2 nuetral carriers we did run, we then turned to fight, we engaged, and they brought in carriers again, so we withdrew in organisation and found a minmitar fleet on the hoff gate in dal. We jumped and warped away with no tackles, we then reformed. Not a loss at all in the eyes of the many many expensive t2 ships that got out. AS there was technically no fight there was no loss.
You lost more ships than you killed right? You were not able to hold the field, correct? You lost. Pride cometh before the fall. A modest man learns from his mistakes and moves on, and does not repeat them a second time. Next time you head in that direction, I suggest bringing better ships.
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Yes Dark do run around in huge battleship fleets, which unfornatley we are unable to counter on some occasions. But this rarely happens. (1-2 times a fortnight) But this says alot about the milita in general, Dark is the minmitar militia at the moment, and the lack of minmitar fc's with the ability to counter us is a testimony to that.
I see Dark-Rising BS fleets running around every night, however I rarely see an Amarr gang of that size. Its unfortunate, as I am sure that the Minmatar would welcome some opposition. Maybe you need someone to sell you battleships at lower prices?
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As for our lack of "compitent" fc's there is non, and if there is a member of our militia who thinks there is, come forth and tell us, so we can show you there isn't any.
The problem is in the timeframe between 2300 and 0400. There are no Amarr FC's, as demonstrated last night. I hope you guys get your act together as more fighting means better business. |
Soren Delrayo
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Posted - 2009.06.09 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Veshta Yoshida
Originally by: Soren Delrayo
As a neutral trader in The Bleak Lands with friends in both militias...
You call this hogwash neutral? Wow, I bet you are way out there when you are biased.
You trade in Amamake which means you sell to insurgents and pirates only, because no one else bothers with that market with Rens nearby, which makes you an insurgent just the same as your clients.
I sell in every major hub, Jita, Rens, Dodixie, and Amarr. I have recently began placing orders in Kamela and Tuomota as well as Amamake, and Dal. I am an equal opportunity merchant of death.
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Originally by: Soren Delrayo
Every day I see Minmatar Battleship gangs with 40+ members roaming Amarr space unopposed.
Yes, Mr. Taylor has a an impressive sniper BS thing going. Utterly inconsequential but impressive nonetheless. The war is not fought by the kill statistics or fleet sizes.
Perhaps this "friend" who feeds you all this valuable information should take the time to actually undock and fight the fight so he realises what it is all about.
Would you allow a murderer to break into your house and kill your loved ones unopposed? Would you allow a vandal to place graffiti on your property? Why would you allow the Minmatar to walk all over you in these BS blobs?
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Originally by: Soren Delrayo
Currently the Minmatar are doing well for themselves. But this could change at any time. I am assuming that CVA will get involved soon since the Militia cannot fix their own problems.
Read above, there is no problem. When DARK are not fielding their Battleships they die in droves just like everything else that opposes the eternal Empire.
DARK's 'magnificent' roams are rather lacking as Battlestar points out. They have come to Kamela a few times but the system is usually empty since we are out doing our duty.
Again, your "friend" is either completely incompetent or he is deliberately feeding you false information.
As I have said before they are in Amarr space doing what they please. I would have thought that your Amarr pride would have demanded that you stop them. Apparently not. I heard a similar argument from the Gallente before they lost all their systems to the Caldari.
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Originally by: Mutnin
You guys are having to base out of high sec now for the most part, your old base was Kamela.
Huh? Why am I always the last person to be told these things!
Star Fraction's war declarations against a couple of corporations has moved the actual fleet assembling away from the single station system. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the insurgents.
We now form in Kourmonen, Auga, Tuomuta, Dal .. anywhere people have ship really so not that hard a blow. Actually working out well as people are spreading ships around allowing for easier reshipping when required.
I agree that Star Fraction is largely inconsequential. Their assets would be better served in other areas if they are truly trying to help the republic.
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2009.06.09 22:57:00 -
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This thread is really going places.
Eran rolls his eyes.
What was the point of the OP? I preferred the previous PR statement that actually had a battle to base it's gloating off of, but this one is classless. The same bloating has been taking place since one year ago, and it is productive in no way.
I wouldn't even call it realistic, as other pilots have pointed out that the sway of the war changes in accordance with the time of day, much like a tide.
You can be prideful when you liberate Lantorn.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.10 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
Again the argument falls into the timezone wars. I cannot speak for american timezone as i dont play in it often. I speak only of my experiences in the EU time zone.
Time zones? In our galaxy? And what is this 'american' and 'EU' you speak of?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.10 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mutnin
Edited by: Mutnin on 09/06/2009 19:11:43
Originally by: Veshta Yoshida
stuff
Funny you posted here.. I was wondering if this Amon Xeno neutral remote rep alt was related to you?
Seems he's always in the same fights you are..odd isn't it?
Curiously, Veshta isn't listed as a participant in all of the fights in which Amon Xeno lost a ship. Another, non-PIE pilot is, however. I suggest that in future you make a little more effort when doing your research. That way, when you make your accusations you won't look so foolish. |
qanatas
Minmatar
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2009.06.10 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
I have intel that the minmitar militia is in a far worse state, fighting each other, stopping people from joining fleets and a serious lack of a HOME system.
The past week has indeed been a bit heavy on the drama, we can only hope to do better in the future. I don't know about a lack of a HOME system. As far as I know it's always been Dal or Amamake, but some people use another base.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.10 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 10/06/2009 21:17:05
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Mutnin
Edited by: Mutnin on 09/06/2009 19:11:43
Originally by: Veshta Yoshida
stuff
Funny you posted here.. I was wondering if this Amon Xeno neutral remote rep alt was related to you?
Seems he's always in the same fights you are..odd isn't it?
Curiously, Veshta isn't listed as a participant in all of the fights in which Amon Xeno lost a ship. Another, non-PIE pilot is, however. I suggest that in future you make a little more effort when doing your research. That way, when you make your accusations you won't look so foolish.
He was in every fight except one I believe, which is cause enough to suspect it's his alt. Maybe it is someone else's RR alt, but the fact is Veshta has fleeted with this neutral during 95% of it's deaths in FW and whom knows how many times when it didn't get killed.
Meaning he damn sure knew it was a neutral RR alt and choose to stay fleeted with it on several occasions, accepting the benefits of having a neutral RR alt in a FW fight. That makes him just as guilty, even if it isn't his.
You Amarr love to tell us all how great you are.. Well then do it with out the need for neutral alts and spys. If you guys are so much better, then why do you need spys and RR alts in your gangs?
exactly..
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Zverofaust
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Posted - 2009.06.11 21:07:00 -
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Honestly, the war is... trivial.
At this moment in time the Minmatar Militia is fractured and multi-headed -- too many chiefs, not enough tribesmen. Militia forces are scattered between three core systems of Dal, Amamake and Auga, making the formation of fleets in the face of enemy action extremely difficult. Our access to the local trade hubs of Rens and Hek require several jumps through risky lowsec space. And the number of those willing to trudge through the monotony of capturing tactical locations in enemy systems (and securing our own) are few and far between.
On the flipside, the Amarr militia has, as Battlestar has pointed out, instant access to friendly high security space, a single system with a single station in Kamela in which they are based, and atleast one large corporation which makes the securing of strategically important locations its prime objective.
And yet, what is the state of things? Recently the Amarr have pulled their headquarters almost completely from their station in Kamela to hide their ships and clones in secure highsec areas; their attempts to expand their sovereignty has been kept in check; and they are resorted to having to use non-combatant scouts and logistics and spies in our fleets in order to be on par with our militia fighters.
As for our other "targets", our raids into Caldari and CVA space are almost always successful. While I do not want to rain on our allies' combat prowess, the Caldari inparticular seem incapable of matching Minmatar tactical prowess and aggressiveness and many of the fascists' ships have fallen at the cost of very few of our own.
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Chronos VIII
Amarr
Malevolent Evolution
The Church.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 09:20:00 -
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Soon all shall learn...
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BattleStar Crusader
Amarr
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.12 09:34:00 -
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"And yet, what is the state of things? Recently the Amarr have pulled their headquarters almost completely from their station in Kamela to hide their ships and clones in secure highsec areas; their attempts to expand their sovereignty has been kept in check; and they are resorted to having to use non-combatant scouts and logistics and spies in our fleets in order to be on par with our militia fighters."
As i have said the larger ships ,battlships, moved into high sec to make the re supply of them easier, all assets remain in kamela, and clones, and alot of corp assets. THe militia still uses's it and kamela is always full of friendlies.
I can't speak on soverienty becuase i don't plex, I know that we are keeping you in "check" with your plexing. And as for nuetral spies and rempote reps. You cannot complain about us using nuetral Remote repairing ships when you yourself are using 2 nuetral Alliances to do your work for you, which i might add arent doing you any justice. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
"And yet, what is the state of things? Recently the Amarr have pulled their headquarters almost completely from their station in Kamela to hide their ships and clones in secure highsec areas; their attempts to expand their sovereignty has been kept in check; and they are resorted to having to use non-combatant scouts and logistics and spies in our fleets in order to be on par with our militia fighters."
As i have said the larger ships ,battlships, moved into high sec to make the re supply of them easier, all assets remain in kamela, and clones, and alot of corp assets. THe militia still uses's it and kamela is always full of friendlies.
I can't speak on soverienty becuase i don't plex, I know that we are keeping you in "check" with your plexing. And as for nuetral spies and rempote reps. You cannot complain about us using nuetral Remote repairing ships when you yourself are using 2 nuetral Alliances to do your work for you, which i might add arent doing you any justice.
We don't use two neutral corps to do our work for us. As you might have noticed both of those neutral corps would not get involved in our Militia's problems with pirates. Even keeping a Militia enemy blue, that should show you that they don't do our bidding for us but have their own agenda.
Yes, we might share intel with them, and share a friendly blue status, but we don't fleet with them nor do they roam around like puppy dogs bailing Militia out of fights.
Yes, if they happen to be camping Kamela station and if Militia is there and a target pops out, all will shoot it. Their involvement, is for their own reasons and they just happen to be friendly to our Militia and not to yours.
Much the same as CVA and pets are friends of your Militia and not ours.
The difference is we don't put spies in your fleets, we don't fleet neutrals in our gangs to abuse screwed up game mechanics and we don't have to resort to using neutral covt op alts to gank people. However you do.
This isn't null sec, where you might need meta gaming BS to get an edge, this is FW that is meant to be fun fights for all. Quit this BS and win your battles with a little honor, rather than having to resort to using neutral alts and all the other BS.
You honestly don't think we couldn't do the same if we really wanted to? You want us to start showing up to fights with a bunch of neutral RR alts? You want us to start fleeting spies in your gangs every night?
We can do it..we just choose to have a bit of honor and win our battles by skill not by being a ******.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:10:00 -
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You use that excuse a lot BSC, fact remains the number of times you use neutral reppers, alts and spies in your fleets versus the number of times Star Fraction or U'K actively helps is in fleet battles is tremendously lop-sided. You on the other hand don't seem able to undock without your neutral alts undocking first.
And yeah, all your big ships were moved to highsec for "easier resupply". Uh huh. Well, actually, I do believe that, it's hard for you guys to keep Kamela supplied these days.
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Furious Foot
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Posted - 2009.06.12 21:42:00 -
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*A screen flashes - and an unwashed, smelly foot appears on screen*
Yes Battelstar, keep running to highsec for 'better logistics' you carebear - remove your neutral pigdog noob-ship spies and remote-rapping alts from the war and probably, we remove our carriers too!
- Furious Foot
Star fraction intel support
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Illuvian
Tribal Special Operations
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Posted - 2009.06.12 22:30:00 -
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BattleStar Crusader
Amarr
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.13 09:35:00 -
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I do love how you get so worked up its enjoyable to watch:). It seems our success only pushed you to come up with all these obsurd ideas, This is war it wont dumb down just so you guys can have it a bit easier and improve your stats on the killboard, grow a pair and get in the fight.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.13 16:21:00 -
[32]
Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
I do love how you get so worked up its enjoyable to watch:). It seems our success only pushed you to come up with all these obsurd ideas, This is war it wont dumb down just so you guys can have it a bit easier and improve your stats on the killboard, grow a pair and get in the fight.
"Get in the fight" says.. the Militia whom is reduced to roaming in nothing but Inti's 90% of the time unless they have a BS blob handy.
"Get in the fight", is what we say every night when we have to roam 10 to 30 jumps away from Minmatar/Amarr FW space, just so we can try to "find" a fight that doesn't "run" away. |
Frank Monkey
Gallente
Stevie Sparkle and the SuperSonic Love Commandoes
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Posted - 2009.06.13 16:30:00 -
[33]
Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
I do love how you get so worked up its enjoyable to watch:). It seems our success only pushed you to come up with all these obsurd ideas, This is war it wont dumb down just so you guys can have it a bit easier and improve your stats on the killboard, grow a pair and get in the fight.
Battlestar Chicken has the neck to say "grow a pair", when he is personally called out and runs away...
bAK bAK bAK
Frank
...of Stevie Sparkle and th SuperSonic Love Commandoes...
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zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.14 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lebaneur
On the Amarr front everything is under control at the moment. We have the Amarr exactly where we want them -- fighting fiercely for every system while we easily defend our own territory. Their main forces are cornered into Kamela and when ever they venture to move out an equal force is deployed to counter them.
Good work.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.14 14:54:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Furious Foot
*A screen flashes - and an unwashed, smelly foot appears on screen*
Yes Battelstar, keep running to highsec for 'better logistics' you carebear - remove your neutral pigdog noob-ship spies and remote-rapping alts from the war and probably, we remove our carriers too!
- Furious Foot
Star fraction intel support
This is an indicator of how pathetic the Amarrian Militia truly is at the moment. Incapable of mounting operations in space they have taken to hiring new pilots to impersonate their enemies and camp stations 24/7 spouting nonsense in space. Furious Foot is paid and operated by the 24th Crusade and seems permanently active outside the Kamela station.
Why might ask questions why this effort is not better spent by actually paying for combat ships to be used by the 24th Crusade paymaster himself - but we might as well ask why a cowardly dog runs from strange noises or a yellow-backed chicken runs from the dinner bell.
This "tactic" reveals more than anything how desperate the 24th Crusade currently is.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.14 14:56:00 -
[36]
Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
I do love how you get so worked up its enjoyable to watch:). It seems our success only pushed you to come up with all these obsurd ideas, This is war it wont dumb down just so you guys can have it a bit easier and improve your stats on the killboard, grow a pair and get in the fight.
Stop hiding in stations while running your little spy pilots out in space perhaps? It does make you look very pathetic indeed.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Zanco Ceal
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.06.14 23:24:00 -
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Its lowsec just shoot these RR ships. Simples
Minmatar use out of militia cammandships to improve fleet tactics but so what.
I see from the militia battle records that a lot of fighting has been going on over the last few hours. But this cannot be because we always run away from fights and stay docked!
I also see from the star fraction records that it might have been a good thing to stay docked today.
DonÆt call us weak, defeating a weak enemy is far too easy. You should state how skilled and invincible we are, and how when we appear on your ships scanners, the fear of your almost certain death shakes your body to its core. Fighting and winning over such an enemy would bring far more glory to you.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.15 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zanco Ceal
Its lowsec just shoot these RR ships. Simples
Minmatar use out of militia cammandships to improve fleet tactics but so what.
I see from the militia battle records that a lot of fighting has been going on over the last few hours. But this cannot be because we always run away from fights and stay docked!
I also see from the star fraction records that it might have been a good thing to stay docked today.
DonÆt call us weak, defeating a weak enemy is far too easy. You should state how skilled and invincible we are, and how when we appear on your ships scanners, the fear of your almost certain death shakes your body to its core. Fighting and winning over such an enemy would bring far more glory to you.
A few hours is of little consequence to a 6 month (and ongoing) campaign. The Amarrians are a capable enemy, however they are weak in spirit and valor. Tonight you may have shown yourselves, but where were you yesterday? The week before? A fortnight ago?
This summitÆs archives plot the course of this campaign for anyone who wishes to read it. Throughout that one thing is clear, we never cower in stations. No matter what the odds we fight long and we fight hard. We experiment and we innovate with our tactics, some succeed some fail but we are consistent in all our efforts. Can the Amarrians say the same..?
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Zverofaust
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Posted - 2009.06.15 00:49:00 -
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Nobody's saying you shouldn't run your neutral scouts and RRs and spies, BSC. All's fair in love and war. We're just saying you should admit you have to pull out your bag of tricks just to meet us on fair grounds.
As for PIE's accusations, I've not been in a single Minmatar militia fleet which has utilized neutral logistics or command ships. I have never been in a fleet engaged with an Amarr fleet in which we had a spy -- at most we have spies in your communications channels who keep tabs on your fleet movements. Occasionally fleet members have brought in neutral probers/lookouts. All in all, at the end of the day, in no way shape or form do we rely on non-combatants and espionage and nuetral support characters to fight. And as I've said, you've made it perfectly clear you are incapable of so much as undocking without your neutrals undocking first.
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Secretary Phase
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Posted - 2009.06.15 01:53:00 -
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It indeed is interesting to see how the Minmatar utilize whole neutral alliances with notable cap-capabilities to wardec certain corps within the Amarr Militia, yet complaining about neutral new pilots with unclear allegiances, assuming they were engaged in espionage on their militia.
Sources in the Amarr Militia tell me they know Mins have multiple spies in their communication channels, yet there's nothing they can do about it, so they don't moan about it.
Assumingly, there are snitches in the Minmatar Militia as well, but as Prof. Noid told me, the fear and distrust they seed is actually more devastating then what they actually achieve by themselves.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.15 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zanco Ceal
Its lowsec just shoot these RR ships. Simples
Minmatar use out of militia cammandships to improve fleet tactics but so what.
I see from the militia battle records that a lot of fighting has been going on over the last few hours. But this cannot be because we always run away from fights and stay docked!
I also see from the star fraction records that it might have been a good thing to stay docked today.
DonÆt call us weak, defeating a weak enemy is far too easy. You should state how skilled and invincible we are, and how when we appear on your ships scanners, the fear of your almost certain death shakes your body to its core. Fighting and winning over such an enemy would bring far more glory to you.
Where the hell do you pull this nonsense from? Please show proof or STFU.. Just because your corp has to use Neutral Covt Ops alts (cough *Anna Vihzera* cough) to gank people doesn't mean everyone else does.
I can tell you 100% for sure that I've "NEVER" been in a Militia fleet that had a neutral fleeted up. The only "non" Minmatar's I've ever seen fleeted up were Gallente Militia members when they were boered with Caldari or if we were on a OMS run.
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Kha'rific-Mintor Outriders.
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Posted - 2009.06.15 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust
Nobody's saying you shouldn't run your neutral scouts and RRs and spies, BSC. All's fair in love and war.
End of discussion. Quit your *****in'.
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BattleStar Crusader
Amarr
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.15 07:22:00 -
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This thread is funny to read, you try to hold the high ground and yet get torn to peices' even the great star fraction came have a look. Chipmo you say where were we yesterday and the week before that and the month before that. We were in another system killing minmitar and pirates under your nose's. And mutin i wouldnt call it spy'ing i'd call it counter espionage as due to our intel 2 spies have been banned from our vent. One was a dark spie who wasnt so good as he decided to key up in our vent channel and give us intel about ourselves. The other was pointed out by out counter espionage team. Thank you though this thread is amusing me and most of the amarr militia, keep the trolling and moaning going, we may start taking pitty on you.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.15 12:17:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Mutnin on 15/06/2009 12:19:26
Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
This thread is funny to read, you try to hold the high ground and yet get torn to peices' even the great star fraction came have a look. Chipmo you say where were we yesterday and the week before that and the month before that. We were in another system killing minmitar and pirates under your nose's. And mutin i wouldnt call it spy'ing i'd call it counter espionage as due to our intel 2 spies have been banned from our vent. One was a dark spie who wasnt so good as he decided to key up in our vent channel and give us intel about ourselves. The other was pointed out by out counter espionage team. Thank you though this thread is amusing me and most of the amarr militia, keep the trolling and moaning going, we may start taking pitty on you.
You really have a odd sense of delusion. You really should quit looking at your own kill board if you really think you win every fight as you keep trying to elude too.
As for your spies in our Militia channel, I could really give a crap about. FW is far too easy to get people in to worry about that. Keep up with the program, what I was complaining about your your pathetic use of neutrals in your fleets.
If you were so good as you always love to tell everyone, you wouldn't need to hide behind neutrals just to come fight us.
As for Zverofaust, he damn sure doesn't speak for everyone on the subject of neutral alts, because I know most of us think your use of them is pretty freaking gay..
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BattleStar Crusader
Amarr
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.15 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: BattleStar Crusader on 15/06/2009 12:21:56
Why would i look at your kill board dear slave, myself and my corperation have more kill's and loss's on the amaar militia kill baord than on your own. You don't even post all your kills.
AS for nuetrals in fleet again you persist with your constant whining and crying about it. Please do continue and provide entertainment whilst we wait for the next culling of you people. Its shame we all arnt based with the basic knowledge of tactics, maybe you would then understand and comprehend.
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Secretary Phase
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Posted - 2009.06.15 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Secretary Phase on 15/06/2009 14:49:30
Originally by: Mutnin
Edited by: Mutnin on 15/06/2009 12:19:26
FW is far too easy to get people in to worry about that. Keep up with the program, what I was complaining about your your pathetic use of neutrals in your fleets.
I agree - the use of one single remote repping BS (Mr. Xeno) who in most of the time remote reps his own cousin is indeed pathetic. The Minmatar Militia does it right - bringing in a whole neutral alliance in remote repping carriers is the way to go. I must say I am impressed with this degree of determination and the no nonsense attitude displayed by the Minmatar militia.
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Kha'rific-Mintor Outriders.
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Posted - 2009.06.16 01:29:00 -
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Well to clarify, although I think this whole discussion is utterly stupid, read: you are insulting yourselves; Star Fraction is in the war-zone due to their own will. Nobody invited them here (although they are welcome to stay so long as they keep their cross-hairs off Minmatar) but I don't believe you should have them set "neutral" if they're firing on you. That isn't the brightest standings to give them. |
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Posted - 2009.06.16 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Eran Mintor
Well to clarify, although I think this whole discussion is utterly stupid, read: you are insulting yourselves; Star Fraction is in the war-zone due to their own will. Nobody invited them here (although they are welcome to stay so long as they keep their cross-hairs off Minmatar) but I don't believe you should have them set "neutral" if they're firing on you. That isn't the brightest standings to give them.
Well - me and my associates are not partaking in the conflict at all, but regulary doing business leads to contacts with militias on both sides.
Of course it is very well possible to set SF red for militia corps and individual militia pilots, but that doesn't change the fact that they are not a valid wartarget, atacking them will result in gate gun aggression and in sec status loss and they have a fleet of remote repping carriers helping the Minmatar - if this is an insult to myself/the Amarr militia, then complaints by the Minmatar about neutral lowly skilled characters in lowest end frigates whose allegeiance isn't even known as well as one (!) remote repping battleship is even more so.
Moreover, you don't hear many complaints by the Amarr about a ~100 member neutral alliance joining the fight for the minmatar despite being outnumbered by 22% even without them, whereas you hear complaints by the Minmatar about a couple of noobships and a RR BS all the time.
Not only are SF actively helping with money, RR and intel, they also wardec few corps to actively engage them and disrupt their resupply routes in highsec, whereas wardeccing SF in return is financially not possible for most militia corps and entirely impossible for the main bulk of the 24th IC due to concord restrictions.
Not being a part of the war nor intending to join it, I don't complain, but must say most of the lop-sided Minmatar opinions expressed in this thread deny me to have any respect for them.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.16 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/06/2009 15:33:43
Originally by: Secretary Phase
Of course it is very well possible to set SF red for militia corps and individual militia pilots, but that doesn't change the fact that they are not a valid wartarget, atacking them will result in gate gun aggression and in sec status loss and they have a fleet of remote repping carriers helping the Minmatar - if this is an insult to myself/the Amarr militia, then complaints by the Minmatar about neutral lowly skilled characters in lowest end frigates whose allegeiance isn't even known as well as one (!) remote repping battleship is even more so.
You lie like the craven dog you are. The moment SF carriers rep the Tribal Liberation Front they are flagged as engageable targets and 24th Crusade are free to initiate aggression. We go so far as to carry rep-drones on most classes of warship simply to give this opportunity for 24th Crusaders to involve themselves if they think they are able. Usually the opportuntiy is not taken.
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Moreover, you don't hear many complaints by the Amarr about a ~100 member neutral alliance joining the fight for the minmatar despite being outnumbered by 22% even without them, whereas you hear complaints by the Minmatar about a couple of noobships and a RR BS all the time.
Actually we have heard an awful lot of complaints from the Amarrians about this. Pitiful whining indeed - especially when judged against the Providence capital blob that the 24th Crusade can and has called upon at times to bolster their fleet actions (representing what? 2000-3000? additional pilots worth of resources?)
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Not only are SF actively helping with money, RR and intel, they also wardec few corps to actively engage them and disrupt their resupply routes in highsec, whereas wardeccing SF in return is financially not possible for most militia corps and entirely impossible for the main bulk of the 24th IC due to concord restrictions.
Utter rot. I refuse to believe it is financially impossible for the cowardly 24th Crusade corporations to raise a collective 50m Isk per week to war-dec in support of their ideals when each of them is spending many times that figure in routine ship losses by the day and the financial rewards of complexing afford them an income far in advance of these costs.
You "Secretary Phase" are a cringeworthy transparent cats-paw of the most gutless Amarrians in this conflict attempting to tell lies and spread deceit to occlude your failure in space.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Aphoxakhan
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.16 15:51:00 -
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Hah hah, yes! Fight us, spill our blood! The mock subversion of truth only causes my glands to ache as I salivate, I hunger and I am the fiend. My blood is boiling in the vacuum, I am too impatient. I wish to kill or be killed on repeat a thousand times over, it is a song I never sicken of. Destroy my body, you will never stop my mind.
The Cult Mass of Amarr are cowardice in viscous sludge of inaction, I laugh! I continue to laugh! My head aches and my breath is stolen, but still I laugh at your weakness, the pathetic results of your brevity in action and verbosity of claims.
Fight us, take our freedom! Lock us in cages, destroy our hearts and wills! Struggle all you want, theismphile, the rules have changed and now we are the game pieces that you might only stare at and wish away.
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Zverofaust
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Posted - 2009.06.16 16:39:00 -
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That's kind of the point, BSC. There are no tactics involved in having a mole in an enemy fleet and two neutral Guardians following your ass. Hell, any half-assed Amarr slob could run a fleet with those tools and we'd all have a good laugh if he ever lost a fight (which you have).
SF don't "work" for the Minmatar militia. They're there of their own volition under no influence from us. Unless you can say the same of Amon Xeno and the two neutral Guardian pilots -- do they just happen to follow every fleet you personally command graciously repairing your compatriots under no influence from yourself? Somehow I doubt it, particularly when I see them fleet-warping along with Amarr militia ships.
SF does their own thing. Good things, but all their own. They sometimes throw intel our way, and we do the same. They don't fleet with us, we don't fleet with them, combined ops are next to impossible. So why don't you just admit it -- you need those neutral reppers and scouts just to keep up with us. And don't talk about tactics again. Lead a fleet without your moles and neutrals, then maybe you'll learn about what tactics are. Until then, you're just a tool who has to pay extra ISK to employ neutral pilots just so you don't get curbstomped by the Minmatar every chance you get. Don't be angry that we don't have to do the same 
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Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.06.16 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Eran Mintor
You can be prideful when you liberate Lantorn.
The truth, in my opinion.
I don't know why the Amarr would bother keeping spies in our militia channel when we continue to feed them good intel in forum threads like these.
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Kit Barbossa
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.06.16 17:09:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You lie like the craven dog you are. The moment SF carriers rep the Tribal Liberation Front they are flagged as engageable targets and 24th Crusade are free to initiate aggression. We go so far as to carry rep-drones on most classes of warship simply to give this opportunity for 24th Crusaders to involve themselves if they think they are able. Usually the opportuntiy is not taken.
Try saying that when your carriers are outside docking range of the station.
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Aphoxakhan
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.16 17:15:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Kit Barbossa
Try saying that when your carriers are outside docking range of the station.
Not long ago it was the frustrations of The Lovely Anarchists, carriers and all, to try to usurp the structure of a flashing red vessel of fighter spitting nastiness. It was our misfortune that this egg shell toddler both had the sense to dock and the unsense to undock repeatedly. |
Secretary Phase
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Posted - 2009.06.16 17:32:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/06/2009 15:33:43
You lie like the craven dog you are. The moment SF carriers rep the Tribal Liberation Front they are flagged as engageable targets and 24th Crusade are free to initiate aggression. We go so far as to carry rep-drones on most classes of warship simply to give this opportunity for 24th Crusaders to involve themselves if they think they are able. Usually the opportuntiy is not taken.
I wont go down to your level and start hurling insults.
I am perfectly sure you are aware of the fact that there is no point for the 24th IC to engage your carriers at station undock mainly because they are mostly light combat fleets lacking the damage to substantially damage a carrier - especially if that is repaired by other carriers and ready to dock up.
Moreover, I think you've risen an interesting point there - if the Amarr are constantly backed up by 2 neutral guardians as they claim, those would be flagged as soon as they start to rep and are free to shoot for the Minmatar militia - interestingly enough though, I haven't found any records of neutral guardians in either the Amarr or the Minmatar battlereports.
The reason is rather simple: they don't exist.
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Actually we have heard an awful lot of complaints from the Amarrians about this. Pitiful whining indeed - especially when judged against the Providence capital blob that the 24th Crusade can and has called upon at times to bolster their fleet actions (representing what? 2000-3000? additional pilots worth of resources?)
As denoted in their most recent statement, the CVA are no longer supporting the Amarr Militia due to finding some of the most successfull Amarr militia corps on their KOS list. So even if they did jump in to help them out, that would be quite undesirable for a quite substantial amount of the militia.
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Utter rot. I refuse to believe it is financially impossible for the cowardly 24th Crusade corporations to raise a collective 50m Isk per week to war-dec in support of their ideals when each of them is spending many times that figure in routine ship losses by the day and the financial rewards of complexing afford them an income far in advance of these costs.
The money made is presumably needed to replace ships - probably not to wardec an alliance hugging Kamela station - but their reasons may be manyfold - and I doubt that most of the militia corporation which are actually comprised of less than 10 members would have the isk for it indeed.
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You "Secretary Phase" are a cringeworthy transparent cats-paw of the most gutless Amarrians in this conflict attempting to tell lies and spread deceit to occlude your failure in space.
And yet you have to fall back to insults - how pitiful. And yes - considering "failure in space", I am just an observer, so it wouldn't be my failure. Considering the course of the conflict in general, may I point the interested reader of this debate to the unbiased official statistics provided by concord, as well as encourage them to find your very own alliances killboard for a definition of "failure in space".
Best regards
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.16 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Secretary Phase
as well as encourage them to find your very own alliances killboard for a definition of "failure in space".
Campaign details - Operation Castrato
Start date:2008-11-30End date:Active
Kills:819Losses:356
Looks good to me.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.16 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/06/2009 17:57:37
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Secretary Phase
as well as encourage them to find your very own alliances killboard for a definition of "failure in space".
Campaign details - Operation Castrato
Start date:2008-11-30End date:Active
Kills:819Losses:356
Looks good to me.
Doesn't look so good when you compare it to the hundred and seventeen final blows that the Minmatar militia are averaging against Amarrian forces every day though does it?
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.16 18:27:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Merdaneth on 16/06/2009 18:27:44
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Campaign details - Operation Castrato
Start date:2008-11-30End date:Active
Kills:819Losses:356
Looks good to me.
Indeed. My personal statistics are roughly comparable to those of the entire SF alliance, and I'm satisfied too.
Unless.... You think that my 180 odd losses are significantly less than your 356 for the about the same number of kills?
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Aphoxakhan
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.16 18:30:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Doesn't look so good when you compare it to the hundred and seventeen final blows that the Minmatar militia are averaging against Amarrian forces every day though does it?
The Lovely Anarchist are small gnats that are efficient in their slaughter of composure. The Matari are an avalanche of ballistics. Per capita is my name, I am unwilling to compare the asteroids to the pebbles. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.16 19:22:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Mutnin on 16/06/2009 19:22:58
Originally by: Secretary Phase
Not only are SF actively helping with money, RR and intel, they also wardec few corps to actively engage them and disrupt their resupply routes in highsec, whereas wardeccing SF in return is financially not possible for most militia corps and entirely impossible for the main bulk of the 24th IC due to concord restrictions.
Not being a part of the war nor intending to join it, I don't complain, but must say most of the lop-sided Minmatar opinions expressed in this thread deny me to have any respect for them.
You Amarr fly around all day in shiny T2 frigs and other Costly ships but you mean to tell me you can't gather up a measly 50 mil or what ever it is a week to war dec them?
At least SF, UK are in "real" Corps/Alliance that allow you to war dec them if you weren't too scared to do so. At least they don't hide in a noob corp that makes it impossible to War Dec like GDip's neutral alts and that Xano tard.
As for you saying you don't complain.. lol then what are you doing in all this topic? Seems like a lot of complaining to me.
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Secretary Phase
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Posted - 2009.06.16 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Secretary Phase on 16/06/2009 20:12:13
Originally by: Mutnin
Edited by: Mutnin on 16/06/2009 19:22:58
You Amarr fly around all day in shiny T2 frigs and other Costly ships but you mean to tell me you can't gather up a measly 50 mil or what ever it is a week to war dec them?
At least SF, UK are in "real" Corps/Alliance that allow you to war dec them if you weren't too scared to do so. At least they don't hide in a noob corp that makes it impossible to War Dec like GDip's neutral alts and that Xano tard.
As for you saying you don't complain.. lol then what are you doing in all this topic? Seems like a lot of complaining to me.
First off I am not Amarr, second I am just an observer - but following the conflict just filled me with disgust for the Minmatar Militia for some of the reasons stated above.
As I am not involved, I also have no reason to complain.
What you may wrongly have interpreted as complaints was just setting things straight, which I felt urged to because you complain about a handfull of neutrals scouting and repping you actually can shoot as soon as they intervene with remote reps whereas you have a whole alliance (not mentioning UK because I've not heard of them intervening a lot) with substantial cap capabilities intervening the conflict on your side in a far more active manner than this hand full of neutrals you keep whining about ever could.
Moreover, I have talked to some CEO's on the Amarr side and basically, their stance is that:
First of all, most of the militia corps are rather small and don't have big corp wallets - pilots fund their own ships and it's up to them to fly what they want to afford. Moreover, SF wants to interfere with their operations against their valid wartargets - if SF wants to do so, that's fine - but it's them who have to pay for that.
For an alliance easily affording to lose roughly 4 billion isk in ships and fittings a week like they did in the last (sunday to sunday - 2x Succubus, 2 x T3 cruisers, 1 orca and a bunch of T2 and faction cruisers) to sneak onto ten (!) Minmatar militia killmails vs Amarr in return, wardeccing the whole top ten of the Amarr Militia must be peanuts.
Best regards
Secretary Phase
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.16 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 16/06/2009 20:14:58
Originally by: Secretary Phase
As denoted in their most recent statement, the CVA are no longer supporting the Amarr Militia due to finding some of the most successfull Amarr militia corps on their KOS list. So even if they did jump in to help them out, that would be quite undesirable for a quite substantial amount of the militia.
Best regards
Secretary Phase
Now this is indeed some funny stuff if it's true..Amarr Militia couldn't keep it's own corps from pirating in CVA space? Now they are KOS?
However this brings up a interesting point.. I guess it was all fun and games when CVa was there to do your bidding. However if they truly are no longer helping Amarr Militia that makes the complaints about SF,UK all the more funny.
In other words it was all good when you had Provi blob to back you, but now that you don't it's unfair?
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.16 20:20:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Merdaneth
Edited by: Merdaneth on 16/06/2009 18:27:44
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Campaign details - Operation Castrato
Start date:2008-11-30End date:Active
Kills:819Losses:356
Looks good to me.
Indeed. My personal statistics are roughly comparable to those of the entire SF alliance, and I'm satisfied too.
Unless.... You think that my 180 odd losses are significantly less than your 356 for the about the same number of kills?
Truly good work.
I think when you finally start flying a ship that actually requires a bit of "risk" rather than the ability to run away all the time. Well then maybe you can talk about others losses.
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Secretary Phase
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Posted - 2009.06.16 20:26:00 -
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Actually, that statement lies months back and can be found here.
Moreover, Gunship Diplomacy has been KOS to CVA for months, but currently isn't. Former Amarr FW corps like Slackers, Armada or A Few Good Men and The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels were allways KOS to CVA.
Helljumpers and Absinthe (and some more) have been KOS pretty much since they were founded. |
BattleStar Crusader
Amarr
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.16 21:56:00 -
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We don't really complain about the nuetral alliances helping you. Read back i see no complaint, merely replies to your whining. As for the two nuetral guardians i dont belive I've ever seen them. I know for a fact that 25% of our militia can use guardians. Maybe becuase they don't get on kills or you never killing them, leads you to belive they are nuetral.
AS for the KOS standings with CVA i am perma KOS to Severence hense the corp is KOS to Providense and has been since before the it joined the militia. The engagements recently, in which they droped a considerably amount of cap ships, they did so to kill Starfraction im sure you can ask them about it and they will validate that fact.
And as for your accusation of spies, well if your scouts you use do their job properly you will notice the large amount of cloaked MILITIA covert op vessels jumping between systems and following your fleets around. We do have sources inside your militia but please know they are paid handsomley for the intelegence they provide and remain anonamouse for that. Also that they are not operated by anyone i know in the amarr miltia, they just happened to be in the right chat channel at the right time and found his part of the market where he could earn a considerable amount of money. He was in the your militia a long time before before he turned.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.16 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Secretary Phase
Moreover, I think you've risen an interesting point there - if the Amarr are constantly backed up by 2 neutral guardians as they claim, those would be flagged as soon as they start to rep and are free to shoot for the Minmatar militia - interestingly enough though, I haven't found any records of neutral guardians in either the Amarr or the Minmatar battlereports.
The reason is rather simple: they don't exist.
Reps don't count as aggression so when the Matari do engage the nutral logistics, they simply jump through a gate & back in to break locks / damage. This is why they rarely die.
They do exist.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.17 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
We don't really complain about the nuetral alliances helping you. Read back i see no complaint, merely replies to your whining. As for the two nuetral guardians i dont belive I've ever seen them. I know for a fact that 25% of our militia can use guardians. Maybe becuase they don't get on kills or you never killing them, leads you to belive they are nuetral.
AS for the KOS standings with CVA i am perma KOS to Severence hense the corp is KOS to Providense and has been since before the it joined the militia. The engagements recently, in which they droped a considerably amount of cap ships, they did so to kill Starfraction im sure you can ask them about it and they will validate that fact.
And as for your accusation of spies, well if your scouts you use do their job properly you will notice the large amount of cloaked MILITIA covert op vessels jumping between systems and following your fleets around. We do have sources inside your militia but please know they are paid handsomley for the intelegence they provide and remain anonamouse for that. Also that they are not operated by anyone i know in the amarr miltia, they just happened to be in the right chat channel at the right time and found his part of the market where he could earn a considerable amount of money. He was in the your militia a long time before before he turned.
lol that's even more funny if it's true that you actually have to pay for your spies.. 
Honestly man.. if you actually had any scouts worth a dam, you wouldn't need to pay for spys. Hence the reason we don't need to fleet spies in your fleets. We actually go out and scout..
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Kha'rific-Mintor Outriders.
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Posted - 2009.06.17 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Secretary Phase
Of course it is very well possible to set SF red for militia corps and individual militia pilots, but that doesn't change the fact that they are not a valid wartarget...
Not only are SF actively helping with money, RR and intel, they also wardec few corps to actively engage them and disrupt their resupply routes in highsec
So which is it? They are or aren't valid war-targets?
Don't think they're on our side per-se, either. They are anti-government, so naturally when the Amarrian Empire has collapsed (it won't, so we are safe) then they will focus their efforts on the Republic and other governments; it is the anarchists way. For now they do more good than harm. Situational allies. |
BattleStar Crusader
Amarr
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.17 14:34:00 -
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Mutin you do amuse me, your answers are so trivial and erratic. Obviousley our scouts are worth a damn and they do theyre job very well, otherwise why would you be compaining about us constantly, and how would we always be able to out-manouver you. As for us paying for the "spies", well the money is taken from the loot your militia drops. Funny it may be but only to us, surley you would be more worried about one of your own being a turncoat and providing extremley delicate information about yourselves. And of the subject of your spies in our fleet. It has been proven they sit in our fleet, read above my friend, we dont care as you may of noticed. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.17 17:15:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Mutnin on 17/06/2009 17:17:51
Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
Mutin you do amuse me, your answers are so trivial and erratic. Obviousley our scouts are worth a damn and they do theyre job very well, otherwise why would you be compaining about us constantly, and how would we always be able to out-manouver you. As for us paying for the "spies", well the money is taken from the loot your militia drops. Funny it may be but only to us, surley you would be more worried about one of your own being a turncoat and providing extremley delicate information about yourselves. And of the subject of your spies in our fleet. It has been proven they sit in our fleet, read above my friend, we dont care as you may of noticed.
That's odd we use the loot your guys drop to payback ship losses. I wonder which your pilots would prefer.. A) loot drop money going to some spy.. or B) loot drop money going into ship reimbursement fund.
Your spies don't really affect us much.. If you notice my complaints were more along the lines of your Neutral alts that always end up in your fleets.
I do notice a difference between Amarr and Minmatar and I'd be amazed if all of your militia holds the same view on your neutrals and spies. See we tend to like the "surprise" of what is happening next and winning fights because we did a better job. Hence the reason we don't depend on spies in your gangs or neutral alts.
It appears from your words you care little about anything but if you can win a fight even if you have to lie and cheat. This makes any win of yours a hollow victory. While I quite imagine these hollow wins you might get from time to time make "you" happy, I do wonder if the rest of the Amarr Militia feel the same way?
Do none of your Militia care about the competition of fighting it out and winning because you did a better job, or are they all mindless slaves to your no skills needed approach?
It would be interesting to see what others think in your Militia on the subject of your neutrals and spies. I have already seen someone post they think the neutrals do more harm than good. It makes me wonder how many people in your Militia think your tactics are weak and lazy.
In the end every fight we win, shows just how much better we are than you, simply because we do it with out the neutrals and spies. |
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BattleStar Crusader
Amarr
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.17 19:40:00 -
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And every fight we win shows we are better than you, seems we have met a mutual agreement. The addition of the Sole nuetral in some, not all, of our fleets is a valid tactic, i never ask for the nuetral to be in fleet i never personaly go out of my way to get him into fleets, what people do with there alts is not my decision. Nither do we rely on him to win our victories he is merly a nice bonus.. Sorry if you epeen is hurt by the majority of our victories. If you would care to take not that the majority of our victories are in vastly smaller and undergunner ships.
And the same question to you i would like to see the view of your entire militia as your word dont seem to carry much sway. AS for your claims about my miltia view being different i am keen to hear them aswell. For they still join my fleets and are more than happy to fly under me.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.17 21:06:00 -
[72]
Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
And every fight we win shows we are better than you, seems we have met a mutual agreement. The addition of the Sole nuetral in some, not all, of our fleets is a valid tactic, i never ask for the nuetral to be in fleet i never personaly go out of my way to get him into fleets, what people do with there alts is not my decision. Nither do we rely on him to win our victories he is merly a nice bonus.. Sorry if you epeen is hurt by the majority of our victories. If you would care to take not that the majority of our victories are in vastly smaller and undergunner ships.
And the same question to you i would like to see the view of your entire militia as your word dont seem to carry much sway. AS for your claims about my miltia view being different i am keen to hear them aswell. For they still join my fleets and are more than happy to fly under me.
Actually, it is your decision to let them in your fleet, if you are the FC. A neutral obviously can't X up in your Militia channel. You or your squad commanders have to invite him, meaning it is your final decision to let them in as the FC. |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.06.17 21:28:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Mutnin
Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
And every fight we win shows we are better than you, seems we have met a mutual agreement. The addition of the Sole nuetral in some, not all, of our fleets is a valid tactic, i never ask for the nuetral to be in fleet i never personaly go out of my way to get him into fleets, what people do with there alts is not my decision. Nither do we rely on him to win our victories he is merly a nice bonus.. Sorry if you epeen is hurt by the majority of our victories. If you would care to take not that the majority of our victories are in vastly smaller and undergunner ships.
And the same question to you i would like to see the view of your entire militia as your word dont seem to carry much sway. AS for your claims about my miltia view being different i am keen to hear them aswell. For they still join my fleets and are more than happy to fly under me.
Actually, it is your decision to let them in your fleet, if you are the FC. A neutral obviously can't X up in your Militia channel. You or your squad commanders have to invite him, meaning it is your final decision to let them in as the FC.
He is referring to the spies that inflitrate the 24th militia corp that x up in the militia channel and join our fleets. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.17 23:02:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Invelious
He is referring to the spies that inflitrate the 24th militia corp that x up in the militia channel and join our fleets.
Well if they do, it's news to me as I've only been in 1 fleet that was getting active intel from a spy in one of your gangs. Thankfully the FC stood up a said he didn't want the intel and everyone else seemed to agree.
I think that's the point you are missing.. Most of us, or at least the gangs I tend to fly in, just want to fight. We don't care what you guys are doing or what you had for lunch. We just want ship types, location and how many WT's are there. All of this we can find out by just using scouts.
Honestly, I really don't even get the point of having spies. The only things you need to know to fight are what I listed above. If a FC needs a spy then he's just out right lazy end of story. |
BattleStar Crusader
Amarr
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.18 10:11:00 -
[75]
Please do keep trolling and whining its funny to see your argument breaking down.
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Lord Ira
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:05:00 -
[76]
Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
... what people do with there alts is not my decision. Nither do we rely on him to win our victories he is merly a nice bonus.. Sorry if you epeen is hurt by the majority of our victories.
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Aphoxakhan
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:57:00 -
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My mouth is held open, the rain pours and it's contents I am unaware of. Intoxicating drugs, life draining poisons, addictive components of idiocy... free me from the grip of lies and corruption, I want to dance free and escape to the artillery of liberation.
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