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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.25 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 25/06/2009 13:17:11
 Originally by: Merdaneth
I seem to remember you and the Cosmopolite saying that everyone was always free to return to the SF cause? Has that changed? Or is this merely another example of SF hypocrisy. Or perhaps, SF has a policy of taking in failures, people lacking backbones, those destitute in spirit and of course traitors?
Your memory is as flawed as your debating skill. Still, much easier to simply make things up as they are needed than address the facts right? If anybody thinks that the Star Fraction would ever be an open door to false-friends, moral-cowards, snivelling nere-do-wells and general lowgrade tyrant-trash then they have another thing coming.
There are those pilots who leave the revolutionary movement who would be welcomed back, but that is a very long way from offering a blanket reinvite for every failed trialist, vacilating imperialist, lickspittal authority-worshiper and brain-fried burnout who has quit our cause over six years of consistant struggle against the vilest foes imaginable.
People disappoint us sometimes. That is all that needs to be said. Other people are great surprises and constant friends and allies and true companions. It is right to marginalize the former and praise the latter. This is life, this is our free right and pleasure to differentiate between failure and success.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
The weak will always slander the strong.
Originally by: Merdaneth
You either have a peculiar sense of humor, or are completely blind to miss the irony in this statement of yours.
I hope you are not claiming to be "strong" in some fashion? Or that the cringing empire you represent is anything other than a weak crutch for the spiritually-wounded to carry their body weight while hiding from the reality of personal responsibility in an age of fantastic opportunity and liberating technological change?
Seriously. The Amarrian empire is a refuge for the weakest of the weak. Those men and women who lack the strength to take responsibility for their own actions and hide instead behind the laughable illusionary construct of a "wise patriach" who sees all and rewards you in your slavery.
You are a dog in a nation of dogs Merdaneth. You are not fit to even speak the word "strength" let alone debate the words of individuals commited to the cause of personal freedom through direct action and radical political change.
Don't make me laugh!
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.25 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Heartstone
You misunderstand the term "conflict" in this case Merdaneth, The conflict is between two or more groups in a society. The conflict does not have to be a bloody one. Conflict can be utterly peaceful negotiation as much as it can be planet shattering conflict.
Mr. Hearstone, *I* am perfectly aware of this. However, your CEO isn't. Just one post below your own she talks about his eminence the Archbishop:
Originally by: Jade Constantine
By the same measure you have a reputation for meandering screeds of babbling sub-schoolroom sermonizing that impress only the fragile-minded. (that and avoiding all conflict from your cloaked bestower mind).
It seems clear that ms. Constantine uses a different definition of conflict.
Certainly Jade is using the term in the common usage. In our discussion we were using the term in the Sociological and Philosophical usage. Two different things.
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Aphoxakhan
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.25 16:38:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
There are those pilots who leave the revolutionary movement who would be welcomed back, but that is a very long way from offering a blanket reinvite for every failed trialist, vacilating imperialist, lickspittal authority-worshiper and brain-fried burnout who has quit our cause over six years of consistant struggle against the vilest foes imaginable.
People disappoint us sometimes. That is all that needs to be said. Other people are great surprises and constant friends and allies and true companions. It is right to marginalize the former and praise the latter. This is life, this is our free right and pleasure to differentiate between failure and success.
One of Us melted away from The Lovely Anarchists, I ran from a foe to be greeted by slavers. I stole away two of The Lovely Anarchists and turned them into Unhappy Imperialists, we regret the decisions of haste and immaturity.
I became We and We returned, crawling on our knees to beg for mercy and forgiveness. Jade was not merciful, Jade did not forgive, Jade deleted the errors and accepted Us as new; Not as the corrupt former ally turned slaver.
Before I was in Star Fraction to play along, now We are in Star Fraction to remain until death or deviance.
Not all are welcome to join The Lovely Anarchists, but all are welcome to Anarchy. |
Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.27 08:14:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You are a dog in a nation of dogs Merdaneth.
How are you feeling today Ms. Constantine?
Originally by: Jade Constantine
The weak will always slander the strong.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.27 08:21:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Heartstone
Certainly Jade is using the term in the common usage. In our discussion we were using the term in the Sociological and Philosophical usage. Two different things.
In that case, my apologies. To my perception context often changes rapidly among SF members, and definitions and interpretations appear 'flexible'. Hence my previous accusations of hypocrisy. Such accusations might be based on mere misunderstandings, but you must consider that to those not well-versed in the many subtleties of SF dogma this is not uncommon.
As my post above shows, I do not understand Ms. Constantine's statement of slander being a sign of weakness, while she employs slander a lot herself. Is she admitting weakness? Does she make statements in isolation, unaware of their connection? Does each of her statements posses a complete separate context, and can one therefore never relate on statement from Ms. Constantine to another of hers. This is all highly confusing.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:57:00 -
[216]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 27/06/2009 13:03:23
Originally by: Merdaneth
As my post above shows, I do not understand Ms. Constantine's statement of slander being a sign of weakness, while she employs slander a lot herself. Is she admitting weakness?
You do not understand the statement because you are incapable of seeing yourself as the dog that others view you. You also falsely accuse me of slander since you are incapable of admitting the truth of your existence. When I say you are a dog Merdaneth I mean it. You are a dog. Hence the statement is not a slander it is simply a fact. Just as it is another fact that you do come from a nation of dogs. You are the son of a dog in a corporation of dogs - you aspire for nothing beyond canine dreams of a mystic pat on the head from your imaginary master. This is also truth.
If you want to challenge this statement perhaps you should prove to us that you are not a dog? If you feel strongly that you are more than a lapdog for a make-believe spirit in the sky then it shouldn't be difficult for you to prove your individuality. I'll await with amusement your attempt.
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Nathaniel Derooy
Lyonesse.
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Posted - 2009.06.27 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 27/06/2009 13:03:23
You do not understand the statement because you are incapable of seeing yourself as the dog that others view you. You also falsely accuse me of slander since you are incapable of admitting the truth of your existence. When I say you are a dog Merdaneth I mean it. You are a dog. Hence the statement is not a slander it is simply a fact. Just as it is another fact that you do come from a nation of dogs. You are the son of a dog in a corporation of dogs - you aspire for nothing beyond canine dreams of a mystic pat on the head from your imaginary master. This is also truth.
If you want to challenge this statement perhaps you should prove to us that you are not a dog? If you feel strongly that you are more than a lapdog for a make-believe spirit in the sky then it shouldn't be difficult for you to prove your individuality. I'll await with amusement your attempt.
Barking Dogs don't bite, be a good girl and continue to bark please...yeah.. good girl...
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:02:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy
*Nathaniel Derooy grins*
You do a lot of grinning. Not much fighting. But lots of grinning. Still, takes all sorts - but thanks for the bump while we are waiting for Merdaneth to prove he's not a dog.
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Nathaniel Derooy
Lyonesse.
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Posted - 2009.06.28 14:49:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy
*Nathaniel Derooy grins*
You do a lot of grinning. Not much fighting. But lots of grinning. Still, takes all sorts - but thanks for the bump while we are waiting for Merdaneth to prove he's not a dog.
Well not a big surprise for me to be grinning, while watching the most hilarious involuntary attempt at comedy to hit galnet over the past two years.
Are you sure I am not fighting?
*Nathaniel Derooy smiles extensivly*
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.06.28 15:06:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
while we are waiting for Merdaneth to prove he's not a dog.
You will be waiting a while I suspect; I don't think he has any intention of proving to you he is not a "dog". I don't think he actually cares what you think of him or his politics but rather wants to ensure that the other side of the argument is heard. You will always consider him a "dog".
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.28 15:34:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy
Are you sure I am not fighting?
Based on publicly accessible databases I think the answer to that is self evidently yes we're sure thank you.
Jade you do get the funniest Galnet stalkers. Can we keep this one?
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Nathaniel Derooy
Lyonesse.
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Posted - 2009.06.29 14:33:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Heartstone
Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy
Are you sure I am not fighting?
Based on publicly accessible databases I think the answer to that is self evidently yes we're sure thank you.
Jade you do get the funniest Galnet stalkers. Can we keep this one?
A very ignorant way of approach, if I may say so.
Please do revisit your next military academy for
a refreshment in modern warfare and its principles.
And for the record, I am not stalking, I just simply
oppose a selfdeclared leader of THE anarchist movement.
You are free now to go to your basket, thank you.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.29 17:11:00 -
[223]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 29/06/2009 17:11:08
Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy
A very ignorant way of approach, if I may say so. Please do revisit your next military academy for a refreshment in modern warfare and its principles.
So you are saying that you are too much a coward to post with the identity that you use for combat then? That in and of itself should indicate the quality of personality behind your front identity really. Hence I feel quite justified in naming you a puling worm without the backbone to stand up for your beliefs and opinions in open space.
Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy
And for the record, I am not stalking, I just simply oppose a selfdeclared leader of THE anarchist movement.
Not sure what the worm means with this assessment. Not sure if its even worth addressing. But hey-ho, gives an opportunity to clarify for the non-worm audience out there.
I've never claimed to be the leader of anything - let alone the anarchist movements in new eden. I am the CEO of Jericho Fraction corporation and the Executor of Star Fraction alliance, which means I maintain an administrative role in the technicalities of these political entities - but ultimately I am a Free Captain amongst Free Captains. My voice has a vote. My word is made good with actions in space.
The worm must not confuse my condemnation of worms and regressive NBSI pigdogs with any kind of "official" sanction. I say what I believe to be right and I will keep on saying it as a Free individual in a free association of armed and politically-radical free captains.
If my comrades wish to stand with my words they may. If they wish to have their own say they are welcome to do that to. Where official policy of the Star Fraction is involved it'll be accompanied by formal declarations and action in space and you will know that when you see the standings-adjustments and wardecs rolling in.
If you see me as a "leader" or "tyrant" it simple projects the worm's-eye view you have restricted yourself to viewing the universe behind.
Take offense with my words and you are within your right to challenge them in your own name, in space, with rhetoric or violence at your choice. You might even win some respect by doing so.
But keep sniping toothlessly behind the worm-identity you have chosen to employ to cloak your master from rebuke or action in space and you will win nothing beyond chiding condemnation and continued humiliation on this and other threads.
I enjoy mocking cowards who are too weak to stand up in their own name. For an immortal to be so tremulous as to avoid the glare of debate's attention in such slithering methodology is disgusting to me and I will keep stepping on your worm-body everytime I see it manifest simply because it gives me pleasure to obliterate the gutless in the sphere of public discussion.
By all means "laugh" again. But know your master serves my purpose by keeping the important lesson of this thread well-bumped and clear in the public view. I consider the spotlight important - I believe the revolution needs the oxygen of wide debate and notice to burn as brightly as it can.
You worm, are just a little kindling for the fire. But continue by all means. It amuses me to use ideological foes for advantage while thrashing their ego to within an inch of psychological meltdown.
Until your next "laughter" ...
3rd Forces in FW - discuss! |
Nathaniel Derooy
Lyonesse.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 09:41:00 -
[224]
I suggest you should do your research more thoroughly, Mrs Constatine.
If you really think I am hiding myself, then you simply missunderstand the Past.
And finally you made it clear to the public that you are simply a CEO gone nutcrackers,
Thank you, that is all I wanted.
PS: a CEO needs more manners!
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:11:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy
I suggest you should do your research more thoroughly, Mrs Constatine. If you really think I am hiding myself, then you simply missunderstand the Past.
Hardly, you admitted you were hiding your identity. Nine times out of ten that means you are a coward incapable of standing in the light of day. Hence you sulk in the shadows like a worm.
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And finally you made it clear to the public that you are simply a CEO gone nutcrackers, Thank you, that is all I wanted.
I think you'll find you've made nothing clear beyond my utter distain for cowardly skulking creatures without the backbone or pride to stand up and be known for their name and actions.
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PS: a CEO needs more manners!
Only a fool treats a worm with respect.
3rd Forces in FW - discuss! |
Nathaniel Derooy
Lyonesse.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:30:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy
I suggest you should do your research more thoroughly, Mrs Constatine. If you really think I am hiding myself, then you simply missunderstand the Past.
Hardly, you admitted you were hiding your identity. Nine times out of ten that means you are a coward incapable of standing in the light of day. Hence you sulk in the shadows like a worm.
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And finally you made it clear to the public that you are simply a CEO gone nutcrackers, Thank you, that is all I wanted.
I think you'll find you've made nothing clear beyond my utter distain for cowardly skulking creatures without the backbone or pride to stand up and be known for their name and actions.
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PS: a CEO needs more manners!
Only a fool treats a worm with respect.
1. Where did I state that I hide my Identity? A simple Search would save you alot embarrasement
2. Read then write, my dear. I stated you made it clear not that I did that.
3. Yet the worm eats you, when you enter your grave.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:36:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy
1. Where did I state that I hide my Identity? A simple Search would save you alot embarrasement 2. Read then write, my dear. I stated you made it clear not that I did that.
Take your own advise and read up. Still, can't expect such a skinless creature to have all its facts in order. And try to pace yourself a little better for the next response, the last one didn't really make much sense.
3rd Forces in FW - discuss! |
Nathaniel Derooy
Lyonesse.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 13:01:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy
1. Where did I state that I hide my Identity? A simple Search would save you alot embarrasement 2. Read then write, my dear. I stated you made it clear not that I did that.
Take your own advise and read up. Still, can't expect such a skinless creature to have all its facts in order. And try to pace yourself a little better for the next response, the last one didn't really make much sense.
*Nathaniel Derooy sighs*
Oh, I am pretty much up to date, Mrs Constantine.
I just find it sad to see the clear decline in intelligence in your persona in recent years,
additional to your disturbing sandbox bully attitude.
And in order to understand the sense, you actually need to have somesort of cerebral functionality
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.30 15:51:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy
...blah blah blah...
You talk a lot, but say nothing.
.... free bumps I suppose 
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Lucian Alucard
Caldari
Black Vice Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.02 10:20:00 -
[230]
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.03 14:50:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Lucian Alucard
The more things change the more they stay the same.
As it ever was. Often the meek and the cowardly find it impossible to do more than bark at their betters on the IGS. Shame in many ways, I would certainly enjoy shattering the hulls of these regressive fools - but one doesn't always get what one desires.
3rd Forces in FW - discuss! |
Lucian Alucard
Caldari
Black Vice Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.10 09:38:00 -
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Like I used to say "Killing the spiders to save the flies works in theory until one day you realize your a spider". Just remember there's a thin line between defending your beliefs and sinking to their level.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.10 18:12:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Lucian Alucard
Like I used to say "Killing the spiders to save the flies works in theory until one day you realize your a spider". Just remember there's a thin line between defending your beliefs and sinking to their level.
Spiders and flies are one in the same. We must rise to become more than insects is the truth of it.
3rd Forces in FW - discuss! |
Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.07.10 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Karlemgne on 10/07/2009 20:16:54
Edited by: Karlemgne on 10/07/2009 20:12:41
Originally by: Jade Constantine
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Unfortunately anarcho capitalism is the stupidest political philosophy ever devised. You want to replace the regulated capitalist order, which is responsible for your oppression, with an unregulated one thereby replacing your current master--corporate capitalism and its bought and paid for government--with just corporate capitalism.
Brilliant.
I can't wait until Concord no longer serves the megacorporations of New Eden by proxy and we get Concord that shamelessly announces they represent only the corporation that pays the most isk.
And lest you thought that I forgot I still remember how Jade Constantine advocated for the continuance of patriarchy and the oppression of women in New Eden.
May the true revolutionaries of New Eden see through your smoke and mirrors.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.10 21:57:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Spiders and flies are one in the same. We must rise to become more than insects is the truth of it.
I find it tragic and even disturbing that the debate here has shifted to tales of dogs, worms, flies and spiders.
You asked to return to the topic at hand previously ms. Constantine, but debating the merits of defining others as some species of animal is not something I am willing to do.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.11 00:09:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Merdaneth
You asked to return to the topic at hand previously ms. Constantin ...
Then perhaps you should.
3rd Forces in FW - discuss! |
Tatsue Nuko
Freecaptains' Union
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Posted - 2009.07.12 14:22:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Karlemgne
Unfortunately anarcho capitalism is the stupidest political philosophy ever devised. You want to replace the regulated capitalist order, which is responsible for your oppression, with an unregulated one thereby replacing your current master--corporate capitalism and its bought and paid for government--with just corporate capitalism.
Seriously now sir. You fail to take into account the nature of what has happened to humanity through the development and evolution of capsuleer technology and other related matters. Indeed, you have even failed to realize the most basic concepts in the matter.
First of all, corporate capitalism can only excert force if it is capable of causing actual punishment on the would-be subjects. It is not. Against those still jailed to a baseline existence your argument might have been capable of holding some validity, but there is no corporation, nor state, nor empire, nor alliance that can do anything beyond inconvenience me.
Extrapolate this to a large population and the whole shambling edifice of your construction falls apart.
Instead, what you call corporate capitalism will become exactly what it was until the collectivist notion of regulation took effect - it will be capable individuals dealing with each other as peers, and forced to act thus since even the drastic threat of assassination would be reduced to a mere material damage that would be quick to recoup.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.13 23:57:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Karlemgne
And lest you thought that I forgot I still remember how Jade Constantine advocated for the continuance of patriarchy and the oppression of women in New Eden.
I think you are going to need to cite some evidence of that one ...
3rd Forces in FW - discuss! |
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Infection Vector
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Posted - 2009.07.15 00:09:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Seriously now sir. You fail to take into account the nature of what has happened to humanity through the development and evolution of capsuleer technology and other related matters. Indeed, you have even failed to realize the most basic concepts in the matter.
I would say that you take into account all of these things and focus on that which effects you individually, as does the object of your argument.
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First of all, corporate capitalism can only excert force if it is capable of causing actual punishment on the would-be subjects. It is not. Against those still jailed to a baseline existence your argument might have been capable of holding some validity, but there is no corporation, nor state, nor empire, nor alliance that can do anything beyond inconvenience me.
The problem is that Capsuleers are a very small percentage of the population. We are not the end-all and be-all of existance. For every one of us there are perhaps billions "still jailed to a baseline existence".
Cloning technology is expensive. People live their lives, people die, people learn and unlearn. More importantly, people abuse and misuse the technology you and your fellows see as salvation. GalNet for instance. Even here the amount of actual debate and learning taking place is minimal.
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Extrapolate this to a large population and the whole shambling edifice of your construction falls apart.
The problem is that it cannot be applied to a large population.
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Instead, what you call corporate capitalism will become exactly what it was until the collectivist notion of regulation took effect - it will be capable individuals dealing with each other as peers, and forced to act thus since even the drastic threat of assassination would be reduced to a mere material damage that would be quick to recoup.
The problem is that your viewpoint is skewed towards the viewpoint that we, as a whole, seek a balance with those around us. If this were true, then "corporate capitalism" by it's very nature would achieve homeostasis. If what you suggest were to be the truth, then corporate capitalism would be something that you would not need to fight against.
The crux of the matter is this. The propagation of technology and information simply gives those with power - any kind of power - more venue for control if used properly. Yes, it also gives those who oppose it a venue to voice grievance, but this can also be seen as more of a "release valve" of the pressures necessary to create a critical mass that would allow for the toppling of said system.
I could go into the sociological and psychological reasoning behind this, perhaps even the neurobiology of the matter. In the end, though, I realize that your view is needed in the grand scheme of things. As ineffectual as it is, it is a beautiful starting point.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.18 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Mebrithiel Ju''wien on 18/07/2009 03:55:47
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You have been misled by a liar and a fraud and have slipped on your own blood and stabbed yourself in the foot.
I know blood pretty well.
I'm pretty sure he'd have to stab himself to produce the blood that he then, would have slipped on to stab himself in the foot.
You freespacers are cute, but dirty gallente hippies. Fly safe till you come before my guns.
Oh and yes, yes I have read all of Jade's posts and those arrayed against her. Crazy she may be, but I love her idealism and prose, even if it's misguided.
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