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YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.10 07:05:00 - [91] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 10/06/2009 07:08:36 Originally by: brutoid I bet Lecherito is touching himself in a furious manner right now...... Knowing Riethe as well as I do, I don't think that will happen until he manages to infiltrate the remaining major alliances and reenact the GHSC heist i.e. the biggest waste of time since Jesus Christ. Black Sun Empire
Eric Woo	Posted - 2009.06.10 07:25:00 - [92] Originally by: Lui Kai WTS - one internet spaceship bank, a bit tatty on the edges but still in usable condition. Please place all bids in game. Offer send :)
Marcus Baltar	Posted - 2009.06.10 09:22:00 - [93] Another thread where it is making me feel dirty... First, just want to say that I have received the withdrawal request I made yesterday, before all this kicked off, for several billion. Thanks. That said, I will be withdrawing (I hope) the rest until such time as EBANK make an official statement of what has, is and will be happening. Confirmation of this statement by all EBANK directors and employees that this is a true accounting and plan would help to ensure that characters are really behind EBANK. I hope that things are not as bad as is being speculated, but think EBANK might financially recover from even that. However it seems that responsibility to the investors and information dispersal needs to be learnt by one of the bigger "institutions" of MD/Eve. Maybe now MD has such "faith" in audits, EBANK will adopt this and will open itself up to external auditors? I appreciate that it has internal auditors, but they are not much use if they have to secretly resign because of their findings. Sorry Selene, you sound the sort of principled auditor that is needed, but this was spoilt by resigning in secret or not letting the investors know. Thanks to PP for the whistle blowing (I think?). I do hope that you are sure of the facts and, if true, they can not be too "spun", or your reputation may come into question. I am currently not sure if to be surprised, saddened, shocked, upset, angry or resigned as to the recent course MD is taking....
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 09:28:00 - [94] Originally by: Marcus Baltar First, just want to say that I have received the withdrawal request I made yesterday, before all this kicked off, for several billion. Thanks. We are still doing withdrawals. So even if you did it today, you should get your ISK Quote: That said, I will be withdrawing (I hope) the rest until such time as EBANK make an official statement of what has, is and will be happening. Confirmation of this statement by all EBANK directors and employees that this is a true accounting and plan would help to ensure that characters are really behind EBANK. Just a matter of time, obviously. I'm sure, if it was possible to do straight away, it would have been done.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 10:07:00 - [95] Originally by: Marcus Baltar Another thread where it is making me feel dirty... First, just want to say that I have received the withdrawal request I made yesterday, before all this kicked off, for several billion. Thanks. That said, I will be withdrawing (I hope) the rest until such time as EBANK make an official statement of what has, is and will be happening. Confirmation of this statement by all EBANK directors and employees that this is a true accounting and plan would help to ensure that characters are really behind EBANK. I hope that things are not as bad as is being speculated, but think EBANK might financially recover from even that. However it seems that responsibility to the investors and information dispersal needs to be learnt by one of the bigger "institutions" of MD/Eve. Maybe now MD has such "faith" in audits, EBANK will adopt this and will open itself up to external auditors? I appreciate that it has internal auditors, but they are not much use if they have to secretly resign because of their findings. Sorry Selene, you sound the sort of principled auditor that is needed, but this was spoilt by resigning in secret or not letting the investors know. Thanks to PP for the whistle blowing (I think?). I do hope that you are sure of the facts and, if true, they can not be too "spun", or your reputation may come into question. I am currently not sure if to be surprised, saddened, shocked, upset, angry or resigned as to the recent course MD is taking.... The facts are they had a very large non-collateral loan backout about 2mths ago. I was told it was 250b to 400b depending on who you ask. Eitehr way this was NEVER reported to the public. Ricdic "Claims" to have sold plenty of isk, and scam. This was known now for 36hrs isk and still nto reported on. They have transfered the ebankricdic character the one the isk goes to, to LV, BUT as of right now nobody is sure if it will work is my understanding. The over all is very much correct. ------------------------- I would like to point out again I don't think EBANK is a scam, I think those still running EBANK from my understanding want to do what is right and keep EBANK running. Isk wise I doubt they will have many issues right now getting people withdrawls, there are just way to many inactive people with GOD knows how much isk in EBANK that will never know nor care about this which will help a lot.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 10:10:00 - [96] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Marcus Baltar First, just want to say that I have received the withdrawal request I made yesterday, before all this kicked off, for several billion. Thanks. We are still doing withdrawals. So even if you did it today, you should get your ISK Quote: That said, I will be withdrawing (I hope) the rest until such time as EBANK make an official statement of what has, is and will be happening. Confirmation of this statement by all EBANK directors and employees that this is a true accounting and plan would help to ensure that characters are really behind EBANK. Just a matter of time, obviously. I'm sure, if it was possible to do straight away, it would have been done. I will ask the same question to you that I have asked others. Why couldnt the default 2mths ago been told to the public? You guys are missing that this was 2mths ago? Why when this happend could not a small statement saying hey don't send isk, we are working on some issues, more info to come so that people would not still have been sending isk until you are sure you could get the EBANK Ric characters in your hands? If you told the public about the first 250-400b loss that happend 2mths ago, then today all you would be explaininig is 200bil or what ever the true number is that Ric scammed. That is the point I am trying to make to you guys.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.10 10:20:00 - [97] Hi. I'd like to apply to the BOD. Clearly you need some help. WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
Lecherito	Posted - 2009.06.10 10:22:00 - [98] No one likes to admit that an entity in which they placed loads of faith has failed them. Despite all the evidence and downright sketch behavior, expect the lemmings to soak up every bit of PR thrown their way. -L
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 11:18:00 - [99] Originally by: Proton Power I will ask the same question to you that I have asked others. Why couldnt the default 2mths ago been told to the public? You guys are missing that this was 2mths ago? I'm not responsible in this whole deal. So ask Ricdic about that loan. Quote: Why when this happend could not a small statement saying hey don't send isk, we are working on some issues, more info to come so that people would not still have been sending isk until you are sure you could get the EBANK Ric characters in your hands? Wake up my dear. We already did in 3 places.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 11:22:00 - [100] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Proton Power I will ask the same question to you that I have asked others. Why couldnt the default 2mths ago been told to the public? You guys are missing that this was 2mths ago? I'm not responsible in this whole deal. So ask Ricdic about that loan. Quote: Why when this happend could not a small statement saying hey don't send isk, we are working on some issues, more info to come so that people would not still have been sending isk until you are sure you could get the EBANK Ric characters in your hands? Wake up my dear. We already did in 3 places. Ric was in charge of that loan? Funny your own staff is telling me different, and even if he dealt with this loan you all knew it was scammed so why didn't somone else say hey we need to make this public?

LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 11:30:00 - [101] Originally by: Proton Power Ric was in charge of that loan? Funny your own staff is telling me different, and even if he dealt with this loan you all knew it was scammed so why didn't somone else say hey we need to make this public? Didn't I make myself clear? I'm not involved with that loan. I hardly know the specific details.
SonOfAGhost Minmatar Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz	Posted - 2009.06.10 11:49:00 - [102] Originally by: Proton Power I would like to point out again I don't think EBANK is a scam, I think those still running EBANK from my understanding want to do what is right and keep EBANK running. /me has a flashback to EIB 3 years ago
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.06.10 11:50:00 - [103] lol - A 250bil loan totally went unnoticed? - You did actually loan that ammount to one person/organisation? - tl;dr all the info, please make a threadpost about this - Popcorn
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 11:57:00 - [104] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Proton Power Ric was in charge of that loan? Funny your own staff is telling me different, and even if he dealt with this loan you all knew it was scammed so why didn't somone else say hey we need to make this public? Didn't I make myself clear? I'm not involved with that loan. I hardly know the specific details. You just told me the reason its not reported on is because it has taken you guys 2mths to work it out and just got the answer last week. Now you say you know nohting about it. You cant keep going back and forth which one is it? I was tryign to keep this in our MSN convo BUT you wanted to bring it back here.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 12:05:00 - [105] Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Proton Power Ric was in charge of that loan? Funny your own staff is telling me different, and even if he dealt with this loan you all knew it was scammed so why didn't somone else say hey we need to make this public? Didn't I make myself clear? I'm not involved with that loan. I hardly know the specific details. You just told me the reason its not reported on is because it has taken you guys 2mths to work it out and just got the answer last week. Now you say you know nohting about it. You cant keep going back and forth which one is it? I was tryign to keep this in our MSN convo BUT you wanted to bring it back here. Read what I'm saying. I was not involved with this loan. I do not know who took the loan, I do not know the exact amount, I do not know WHAT happened to the ISK. I have been busy with exams the last 2-3 weeks. People have been working on it internally, to some degree or another. And I'm honestly not sure what the conclusion was. And do you know why? I was never involved with the loan.
Dar'kin Rokior	Posted - 2009.06.10 12:07:00 - [106] Originally by: corestwo I heard that it was neither 250b nor 400b; it was 376.4b, lost in zydrine speculation. I heard it was 133.7b, because that would just be awesome.
Lecherito	Posted - 2009.06.10 12:28:00 - [107] I'm surprised that the "Naysaying MD newbies pushed Ricdic to scam" card hasn't yet been played. -L
Galal Dax Young Enterprise DEFI4NT	Posted - 2009.06.10 12:34:00 - [108] I have put in my withdrawal request and will see what will happen. Too bad though tbh, as I believed Ebank was very solid - and think it is a good idea to have it. Interest was not that much of course, but it was nice to think you were putting some idle ISK to work. Will have to look at more trading opps now lol - or just let more ISK sit there...
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:07:00 - [109] Hexxx, I look forward to your official response. I have several questions, and I hope you can answer them as well. 1) What is the current bankÆs liquidity? 2) Who holds the majority of the liquid ISK? 3) How much ISK is locked in BPOs? 4) Who is EBANKÆs official CEO? 5) How much has the bank lost? 6) What is the bankÆs gross and net income? 7) What are the bankÆs mayor liabilities? 8) Who is your internal auditor? Other comments: 1) Please update your website to represent the actual active staff and BOD. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:09:00 - [110] calm down, starting mass withdrawals helps nothing. i would like to deposit some isk if that is possible? Quote: "Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"

Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:20:00 - [111] Originally by: Block Ukx Hexxx, I look forward to your official response. I have several questions, and I hope you can answer them as well. 1) What is the current bankÆs liquidity? 2) Who holds the majority of the liquid ISK? 3) How much ISK is locked in BPOs? 4) Who is EBANKÆs official CEO? 5) How much has the bank lost? 6) What is the bankÆs gross and net income? 7) What are the bankÆs mayor liabilities? 8) Who is your internal auditor? Other comments: 1) Please update your website to represent the actual active staff and BOD. Block, please see the official thread I just posted. Some of your questions I can't answer - our liquidity as of yesterday was 400 billion to 500 billion. This number is in flux though because of withdraws and liquidations on our end. A large amount of ISK is being held by me (around 240 billion) with tellers receiving the normal amount. We have significant amounts of ISK in BPO's to the tune of 5 Titan BPO's. They have been profitable and we'd rather like to avoid liquidating them since the income is safe and passive. EBANK's acting CEO is Athre. As I mentioned before, Ricdic stole 200 Billion. This was almost entirely in cash. He "took the money and ran" as it were. The Bank measures itself through asset valuation, surpluses and deficits. We don't have an accurate number because right now we are engaged in ALOT of activity. I'm not too worried about this though. Our major liabilities would, as usual, be our loans. However today we just had a 40 billion loan repaid. Our internal auditor was Selene. We have not had time yet to find a replacement.
Marcus Baltar	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:30:00 - [112] Edited by: Marcus Baltar on 10/06/2009 13:33:21 Hexxx - thanks for the statement. I trust in what you say, but please keep things updated. Also, give out as much info as possible. Re-reading everything, things are possibly not as bad as I first thought, and fingers crossed they are not, but I think it does show that important events should be announced and dealt with as quickly as possible, ie. before someone else posts about them. Good luck, and hope EBANK continues, but it will seem a little gilded (to me, anyway). (edit)Missed an x :)(/edit)
TheVad Amarr Metalworks	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:52:00 - [113] Guys its real simple. One person is not EBANK. Our internal risk controls unfortunately have been tested and they have passed. PP- You have to understand that EBANK needed some time to prepare and liquidate assets prior to making the announcement so we could fulfill our obligation to anyone requesting withdrawal of their isk. You can not liquidate instantly and thus we wanted to make sure we had things in place to handle results of such said announcement. Some of you are so worried about what went wrong you are not looking at what has been and continues to go right. Every EBANK customer has two choices: With drawl their isk or not. EBANK can handle any choice our customers make as we are relativity elastic. EBANK is still very solvent and while we lost some profits/value we are still way in the green. At the end of the day people will still be looking for a place to invest passive isk, and when you look at the secondary market options and way the risks vs. rewards, EBANK is still a low RISK entity. Our controls we put in place have worked. People are making a mountain out of a mole hill. TheVad
Sophia Truthspeaker Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:58:00 - [114] I am pretty much a nobody concerning MD and finance. Still here is my post and opinion. I can't tell you 'I told you so' because I never did. I could be gloating, because I privatly withdrew most of my small amount I had in Ebank a while ago, but I hope it doesn't show. I believe, and have adopted myself already, a more shaded approach concerning investments. At the moment its black or white, scam or no scam. I don't think that is an enough distinction. I consider a scam anything that from the start is a plan to aquire isk from various sources by lying. On the other side is the plan that aquire isk to generate more isk and pay back the isk later. Somewhere in between I'd put the failed investment and change of plans. In the former something happend and the isk is gone even though the planner still would have liked to pay it back but can't. In the later someone with at first honest intention switches to the 'let's keep the isk' plan for various reasons. And once again somewhere in between those two is the part where the isk is lost due to a very stupid perhaps neglecting mistake so it can't be paid back. From the meager informations available my picture at the moment is that a big loan, and anything with tens of billions in it is big to me, was unsecured and then busted. That one I would consider a stupid mistake but I'd think Ebank would recover from it easily. Then something happend to Ricdic. He hasn't posted which could mean serious trouble. As I understand the deposit side of Ebank, if the API of his account is disabled Ebank would not be able to pick up deposits as Ebank wouldn't know it was made. The disabling of the API, if that is the reason for the technical difficulties, could mean a ban from the game. As it is, this is speculating but within my picture at this moment. If Ricdics disappearance also made more isk vanish, I don't know. Is the bad loan mentioned earlier tied in with it? No idea. Still I sincerly believe that Ebank can recover from this at all, if the propotions aren't far bigger than what is rumored at this moment. When Ebank started there were two names I trusted and most of my trust in Ebank is still tied to those two people. Those names are Shar Tegral and Hexxx. As such my level of trust dimineshed greatyl when first Shar quit Ebank, and when Hexxx was much rarer seen in these forums. That was the reason I pulled out most of my funds a few weeks ago. And my trust that some poeple on the board have the potential to make stupid mistakes as perhaps seen with that big bad loan. As far as I understood Shars reason for quitting he saw this potential too. The promises made at the start of Ebank were that no one would be able to run away with 50 billion isk because no one had access to more than that. I felt this promise was backed up by Hexxx and I really hope he didn't let me down. Is Ebank a scam? No. There are good people still in it and the starting plan was to my believe never one about scamming. Mistakes were made and who is to blame for the mistakes time will tell. As to those people who cry scam at the first mentioning of investment. I loathe those people. A warning about a scam attempt is fair and square but in my opinion a constant false cry can and will influence someone to change his plans. Motivation in the game is a big factor to keep on being honest. If you erode that you will have created another self fulfilling prophecy. Edit: took long to write this... Thanks Hexxx for the official posts, I'll read it as soon as this post here will get to the forums...
Taelech Caldari Caldari Design and Cryogenics	Posted - 2009.06.10 14:17:00 - [115] Edited by: Taelech on 10/06/2009 14:18:48 Just tried to get to EBank... Error Code 10061: Connection refused Background: The server you are attempting to access has refused the connection with the gateway. This usually results from trying to connect to a service that is inactive on the server. Date: 6/10/2009 2:15:39 PM [GMT] ed: Got in, apparently the interweb tubes were just filled with kittys...
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.10 14:24:00 - [116] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 10/06/2009 14:25:17 Quote: EBANK's acting CEO is Athre. I find it cool as we seem "in tune", even on your forums :D Quote: As I mentioned before, Ricdic stole 200 Billion. This was almost entirely in cash. He "took the money and ran" as it were. The other day I got thrown rotten eggs because I said that even the apparently incorruptible might have a price, expecially when the deal may easily change the outcome of the Goons vs ex BoB blocks. That is, inhumane power in the hands on a single potential point of failure, this makes statistics cry. I see I score today. In retrospective, knowing everyone got a price even one-self is good: it helps constructing a better system, where human weakness is taken into account instead of a blind faith in "The Names". Quote: We don't have an accurate number because right now we are engaged in ALOT of activity. I'm not too worried about this though. I find this a bit disturbing, but then it's just me. Quote: I believe, and have adopted myself already, a more shaded approach concerning investments. At the moment its black or white, scam or no scam. I don't think that is an enough distinction. I consider a scam anything that from the start is a plan to aquire isk from various sources by lying. On the other side is the plan that aquire isk to generate more isk and pay back the You did the right choice, because between blatant scam vs zero reward lies the word "business".
Arous Drephius	Posted - 2009.06.10 14:50:00 - [117] Just recieved the "EBANK deposit warning" email from LaVista, and I have to say I'm disappointed with your email privacy standards. The email was sent with (all?) the recipients email addresses in the To field, effectively disclosing a lot of email addresses that people may not have wanted others to know about. I really expected better from you.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 14:52:00 - [118] Originally by: Arous Drephius Just recieved the "EBANK deposit warning" email from LaVista, and I have to say I'm disappointed with your email privacy standards. The email was sent with (all?) the recipients email addresses in the To field, effectively disclosing a lot of email addresses that people may not have wanted others to know about. I really expected better from you. As earlier stated, the application used for it, didn't work as expected, resulting in that emails. Again, I'm deeply sorry for this. And no, not everybody got this mail, due to the way it was being done.
Dranakolys Gallente Theurgy	Posted - 2009.06.10 16:51:00 - [119] Edited by: Dranakolys on 10/06/2009 16:53:12 Oh this is *such* a shock I'm like super surprised by this. Ricdic has always been a moron. Anyone who though for a moment that he would never run with the money, is also a moron, and has apparently never read his posts on this forum. The only reason it took this long is because he actually enjoyed the ego-trip from being prominent in this (The MD) "community". Over the 2+ years I have spent reading this forum he has made a lot of stupid investments, almost exclusively *****ed posts and none of the public businesses he operated have been what you could describe as successful. EBank would have fallen apart a long time ago if it wasn't for all the hardworking people there that kept it together. To Hexx, Kwint and the rest of you EBank fellows, thanks so much for propping Ricdic up until now. You don't have to anymore. PS. fap* fap fap
Dranakolys Gallente Theurgy	Posted - 2009.06.10 17:13:00 - [120] Originally by: LaVista Vista Just a matter of time, obviously. I'm sure, if it was possible to do straight away, it would have been done. This is bull and you should know better. Just what is so complicated about the operations in EBank that you couldn't report a massive loss of at least 10% NAV in less than 2 months? IF PP didn't post about it, it would have been kept quiet and never reported. If that wasn't the case, it would already have happened. The same goes for the second drama bomb, aka Ricdic. All signs point to the powers-that-be at EBank keeping this quiet indefinitely, as well. Which leads me to the inevitable conclusion that the EBank BoD as an entity (not necessarily the individuals), are just as bankrupt as Ricdic is, when it comes to responsibility. Either incompetent or dishonest or both.



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