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Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:44:00 - [151] Originally by: Mazare Mircea ... feel insulted when they are called idiots for questioning the practices of the ppl they trust with their money after all. Do you really view EBANK investors as idiots ? I believe you are wrong. EBANK has made it extremely clear that they are not a publicly traded institution. They are a private bank where customers deposit money in hopes to get re-paid when they withdraw. The have said repeatedly that they will not provide any internal audits, loan information, or any internal data. Anyone that deposits money in the bank is indirectly accepting these terms. They are not getting away with any wrong doing as their intentions have been clear from the get go. Your angry at them for not disclosing this information is not justify. The only thing they are liable for are deposits made to EBANK Ricdic, which should be easily resolved by providing your API key to EBANK, or a third party. PP, I hope you donÆt get mad at me for saying this, but in this case you over step the boundary. All information you learn while being a member of the board of directors regarding EBANKÆs operation should have remained undisclosed. IÆm not trying to defend EBANK. I think EBANK has always have issues when it comes to accounting. I have never seen a proper audit done on the bank, and the last internal auditor quit before finishing the audit. That to me is a big red flag. The only thing customers can do is ask the bank to provide reports or remove their ISK from EBANK. Trying to dirty their name because you donÆt agree with their policy is not the right thing to do. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:47:00 - [152] Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: Mazare Mircea ... feel insulted when they are called idiots for questioning the practices of the ppl they trust with their money after all. Do you really view EBANK investors as idiots ? I believe you are wrong. EBANK has made it extremely clear that they are not a publicly traded institution. They are a private bank where customers deposit money in hopes to get re-paid when they withdraw. The have said repeatedly that they will not provide any internal audits, loan information, or any internal data. Anyone that deposits money in the bank is indirectly accepting these terms. They are not getting away with any wrong doing as their intentions have been clear from the get go. Your angry at them for not disclosing this information is not justify. The only thing they are liable for are deposits made to EBANK Ricdic, which should be easily resolved by providing your API key to EBANK, or a third party. PP, I hope you donÆt get mad at me for saying this, but in this case you over step the boundary. All information you learn while being a member of the board of directors regarding EBANKÆs operation should have remained undisclosed. IÆm not trying to defend EBANK. I think EBANK has always have issues when it comes to accounting. I have never seen a proper audit done on the bank, and the last internal auditor quit before finishing the audit. That to me is a big red flag. The only thing customers can do is ask the bank to provide reports or remove their ISK from EBANK. Trying to dirty their name because you donÆt agree with their policy is not the right thing to do. The loan issue was not when i was a BOD. I found out through other means, then put a few things together. Same as the scam. And again my issue is the reporting time. If they let MD know asap about the scam and to stop depositing isk I would have never been involved in the first place. I should have not had to be the one to post on this matter first, not when EBANK knew well well before I did.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:50:00 - [153] Originally by: Proton Power If they let MD know asap about the scam and to stop depositing isk I would have never been involved in the first place. I'm sure they all accept and realise this now - covering it up poorly with a database problem was a mistake. CCP suffered the same issue when closing down ISD and claiming other reasons. WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:52:00 - [154] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Proton Power If they let MD know asap about the scam and to stop depositing isk I would have never been involved in the first place. I'm sure they all accept and realise this now - covering it up poorly with a database problem was a mistake. CCP suffered the same issue when closing down ISD and claiming other reasons. Thats the issue Ray, talking with them on MSN and such they still don't think they did anything wrong, that everyone else is in the wrong. Atleast that is my take on it.
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:53:00 - [155] Originally by: Proton Power .. If they let MD know asap about the scam and to stop depositing isk I would have never been involved in the first place. I should have not had to be the one to post on this matter first, not when EBANK knew well well before I did. Yes, I agree with you, and I believe EBANK is liable for the deposits. However, their reporting policy is another issue. You know very well that I believe is the manager's choice to decide what should be reported. We may disagree with EBANK's policy, but it has been like that from the beginning BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:53:00 - [156] Originally by: Ray McCormack I'm sure they all accept and realise this now - covering it up poorly with a database problem was a mistake. We had database issues, due to the fact that the character got banned.
Mazare Mircea Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:53:00 - [157] Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: Mazare Mircea ... feel insulted when they are called idiots for questioning the practices of the ppl they trust with their money after all. Do you really view EBANK investors as idiots ? I believe you are wrong. EBANK has made it extremely clear that they are not a publicly traded institution. They are a private bank where customers deposit money in hopes to get re-paid when they withdraw. The have said repeatedly that they will not provide any internal audits, loan information, or any internal data. Anyone that deposits money in the bank is indirectly accepting these terms. They are not getting away with any wrong doing as their intentions have been clear from the get go. Your angry at them for not disclosing this information is not justify. The only thing they are liable for are deposits made to EBANK Ricdic, which should be easily resolved by providing your API key to EBANK, or a third party. PP, I hope you donÆt get mad at me for saying this, but in this case you over step the boundary. All information you learn while being a member of the board of directors regarding EBANKÆs operation should have remained undisclosed. IÆm not trying to defend EBANK. I think EBANK has always have issues when it comes to accounting. I have never seen a proper audit done on the bank, and the last internal auditor quit before finishing the audit. That to me is a big red flag. The only thing customers can do is ask the bank to provide reports or remove their ISK from EBANK. Trying to dirty their name because you donÆt agree with their policy is not the right thing to do. You don't understand my points. I am not an unhappy investor. I am someone who demands some answers. The first one has a vested interest in stirring up ** untill he gets his isk back. The 2nd has a vested interest in stirring up ** untill some answers are given, and commitment is promised to improve the present structure. :) While i have to agree that because of the way EBANK is structured, the damage was limited, i am not happy about how EBANK handled this. PS: The right thing to do ? Dreamworld 101. ----- Do androids dream of electric sheep ?
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:54:00 - [158] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Ray McCormack I'm sure they all accept and realise this now - covering it up poorly with a database problem was a mistake. We had database issues, due to the fact that the character got banned. LV, that's not a database issue. If you worked for me and said that I would kick you in the balls. WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:56:00 - [159] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Ray McCormack I'm sure they all accept and realise this now - covering it up poorly with a database problem was a mistake. We had database issues, due to the fact that the character got banned. LV, that's not a database issue. If you worked for me and said that I would kick you in the balls. That's because you are a technical issue. Do you know how I explain issues of a technical nature to people on internet forums? The same way I explain it to my mother.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:57:00 - [160] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Ray McCormack I'm sure they all accept and realise this now - covering it up poorly with a database problem was a mistake. We had database issues, due to the fact that the character got banned. LV, that's not a database issue. If you worked for me and said that I would kick you in the balls. As I said Ray they still didnt learn from this.

Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:00:00 - [161] Originally by: Proton Power As I said Ray they still didnt learn from this. Okay, PP, I get it. Let's wait and see what comes of it. Give it a week this time, not twelve hours.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:03:00 - [162] Originally by: LaVista Vista EDIT: It was actually how I explained it to her. And she seemed to understand it just fine. Yes, because she doesn't know that you're bull****ting. I do, as do most other people that aren't your mother. I was offended by CCP when they offered a lie for their actions, some will be equally offended by yours.
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:03:00 - [163] ah good to see PP is still active <3
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:05:00 - [164] Originally by: Roemy Schneider ah good to see PP is still active <3 Long Long time no see mate :)
Mazare Mircea Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:06:00 - [165] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Proton Power As I said Ray they still didnt learn from this. Okay, PP, I get it. Let's wait and see what comes of it. Give it a week this time, not twelve hours. Tbh Ray, from the way i worded my posts it could be seen as i am someone who likes to fling poo just for lols. 1,3,5,7 d, normal days or working days ... it doesn't matter, as long as some answers are given and real post is made by EBANK explaining everything in detail. What i am so uptight about is the way they treated their customers. No MD thread started with a warning, and the database error was just lol. What's the use of putting 'don't send isk to EBANK Ricdic' in a MOTD that only 10-20 ppl read ? A freeze on deposits in the form of a thread on MD would not have been a bad ideea and it would have shown some consideration towards the investors. Anyway ... we will see what will be done. ----- Do androids dream of electric sheep ?
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:08:00 - [166] Quote: No MD thread started with a warning, and the database error was just lol. What's the use of putting 'don't send isk to EBANK Ricdic' in a MOTD that only 10-20 ppl read ? You don't realize that we also put it on our frontpage, as well as in the MOTD in the SCC lounge.
Mazare Mircea Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:22:00 - [167] Originally by: LaVista Vista Quote: No MD thread started with a warning, and the database error was just lol. What's the use of putting 'don't send isk to EBANK Ricdic' in a MOTD that only 10-20 ppl read ? You don't realize that we also put it on our frontpage, as well as in the MOTD in the SCC lounge. Pretty sure more ppl check MD than your site and the SCC lounge.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:23:00 - [168] Originally by: Mazare Mircea Originally by: LaVista Vista Quote: No MD thread started with a warning, and the database error was just lol. What's the use of putting 'don't send isk to EBANK Ricdic' in a MOTD that only 10-20 ppl read ? You don't realize that we also put it on our frontpage, as well as in the MOTD in the SCC lounge. Pretty sure more ppl check MD than your site and the SCC lounge. Majority of our customers don't read the forums.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:30:00 - [169] You shouldn't be arguing against maximum exposure, LV, it should have been the goal from the start. WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:30:00 - [170] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Mazare Mircea Originally by: LaVista Vista Quote: No MD thread started with a warning, and the database error was just lol. What's the use of putting 'don't send isk to EBANK Ricdic' in a MOTD that only 10-20 ppl read ? You don't realize that we also put it on our frontpage, as well as in the MOTD in the SCC lounge. Pretty sure more ppl check MD than your site and the SCC lounge. Majority of our customers don't read the forums. Can you let me know were this fact is coming from? I know when I was in EBANK this was not the case, but I would like to see stats since your stating they are not from the MD community.

LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:32:00 - [171] Originally by: Proton Power Can you let me know were this fact is coming from? I know when I was in EBANK this was not the case, but I would like to see stats since your stating they are not from the MD community. Can you prove it? I can only speak from the experience I have from talking with EBANK customers. And I have talked to a lot of them, the last 2 years.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:35:00 - [172] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Proton Power Can you let me know were this fact is coming from? I know when I was in EBANK this was not the case, but I would like to see stats since your stating they are not from the MD community. Can you prove it? I can only speak from the experience I have from talking with EBANK customers. And I have talked to a lot of them, the last 2 years. No I can't but I am not saying all your customers come from a source or not a source. EBANK should have used all means possible to let people know. You didn't that I can prove. I even told you to do so, and instead I was told know your waiting for ISD to report it for you.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:38:00 - [173] Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Proton Power Can you let me know were this fact is coming from? I know when I was in EBANK this was not the case, but I would like to see stats since your stating they are not from the MD community. Can you prove it? I can only speak from the experience I have from talking with EBANK customers. And I have talked to a lot of them, the last 2 years. No I can't but I am not saying all your customers come from a source or not a source. EBANK should have used all means possible to let people know. You didn't that I can prove. I even told you to do so, and instead I was told know your waiting for ISD to report it for you. Let me list the ways we've contacted customers: - an ISD report that every player sees logging in today with a link to our thread - mass emails to customers with emails on file for the main website - mass emails to customers/participants with emails on file for our forums - massively.com has posted an article on it - market discussion forums - messages on our IG channel and our website which instruct people not to deposit Did I miss anything? EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:38:00 - [174] Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 10/06/2009 19:39:00 Originally by: Proton Power No I can't but I am not saying all your customers come from a source or not a source. EBANK should have used all means possible to let people know. You didn't that I can prove. I even told you to do so, and instead I was told know your waiting for ISD to report it for you. The only real thing I agree with you on PP is why ISD was involved in the first place. To me that makes no sense, though it was what brought my attention to EBANK last night instead of going to say, relax and read a book. Psh, ISD, way to ruin my evening. Edit Post Hexxx-ninja: Okay so that makes sense. =D
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:40:00 - [175] Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Proton Power Can you let me know were this fact is coming from? I know when I was in EBANK this was not the case, but I would like to see stats since your stating they are not from the MD community. Can you prove it? I can only speak from the experience I have from talking with EBANK customers. And I have talked to a lot of them, the last 2 years. No I can't but I am not saying all your customers come from a source or not a source. EBANK should have used all means possible to let people know. You didn't that I can prove. I even told you to do so, and instead I was told know your waiting for ISD to report it for you. Let me list the ways we've contacted customers: - an ISD report that every player sees logging in today with a link to our thread - mass emails to customers with emails on file for the main website - mass emails to customers/participants with emails on file for our forums - massively.com has posted an article on it - market discussion forums - messages on our IG channel and our website which instruct people not to deposit Did I miss anything? Here, watch me read PP's mind. I will quote him in the future. Originally by: Proton Power But you should have done it sooner. ------------- Goonfleet Investment Banking - Bringing you the spoils of Delve! Search Corestwo and Goonfleet Investment Banking under "issued by" on contracts for the current item list!
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:40:00 - [176] Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Proton Power Can you let me know were this fact is coming from? I know when I was in EBANK this was not the case, but I would like to see stats since your stating they are not from the MD community. Can you prove it? I can only speak from the experience I have from talking with EBANK customers. And I have talked to a lot of them, the last 2 years. No I can't but I am not saying all your customers come from a source or not a source. EBANK should have used all means possible to let people know. You didn't that I can prove. I even told you to do so, and instead I was told know your waiting for ISD to report it for you. Let me list the ways we've contacted customers: - an ISD report that every player sees logging in today with a link to our thread - mass emails to customers with emails on file for the main website - mass emails to customers/participants with emails on file for our forums - massively.com has posted an article on it - market discussion forums - messages on our IG channel and our website which instruct people not to deposit Did I miss anything? It was to late then Hexxx, you didnt do most of that until I made it public. All I wanted was a post here stating to not deposti isk to ricdic, you guys refused to do so. Now that I brought it to light you guys are working overtime on the notificaiton, which is great, but it should not have taken 30hrs to start.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:46:00 - [177] Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 10/06/2009 19:46:37 Originally by: Proton Power Now that I brought it to light you guys are working overtime on the notificaiton, which is great, but it should not have taken 30hrs to start. Pardoning the forums, most of what has been listed happened within hours from what I could tell, much less than 30, pardoning a forum post. If that's all you have to justify yourself with, you really should just stop. Edit: damn typos.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:49:00 - [178] Originally by: Proton Power Now that I brought it to light you guys are working overtime on the notificaiton, which is great, but it should not have taken 30hrs to start. 30 hours? From that we knew it was a scam, you posted 11 hours later.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:50:00 - [179] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 10/06/2009 19:46:37 Originally by: Proton Power Now that I brought it to light you guys are working overtime on the notificaiton, which is great, but it should not have taken 30hrs to start. Pardoning the forums, most of what has been listed happened within hours from what I could tell, much less than 30, pardoning a forum post. If that's all you have to justify yourself with, you really should just stop. Edit: damn typos. It happend the night before yesterday my time, that is now about 36ish hours ago. Don't believe me the ingame EBANK channel was changed the morning after DT Yesterday, ask any of the regulars. I also have it on MSN that 2 people in EBANK new about it 23hrs prior to me talking to them. Nothing was put out other than data base errors for the first 24hrs, I then made a post, then 7ish hours later more posts were made and emails sent.
Calcuttan Creampie	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:54:00 - [180] lol @ ricdic selling isk for RL money. and if he spends any of it on his supposedly sick child, it would be of great karmic elegance if the child's time would be stolen much like people's isks were.



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