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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:40:00 -
[1]
Believe it or not, a lot of this is speculation which I filled in gaps, *'s are facts, rest is what i feel based on convo's with others.
EBANK is going to be upset I am posint this but they have had over 24hrs and some of this happend months ago. This may hurt my reputation, I dont' care investors need to know. EBANK can post what ever, for those I hurt with this I do feel bad, but you have had more than enough time to get this out.
*2mths ago give or take - EBANK lost a non secure loan of about 400bil Isk (Tehy forgot to mention it)
Assumtption - Ric then started taking isk and doing illegal activities based on ebank was screwed
*30ish Hours ago Ric has been banned, hence the do not send more isk
*EBANK plans on making a post but as everythign does, takes them ages
You can all add the rest together with Sel's Post, the fact EBANK has nto posted much in months time now, and what ever else. I am sure this post will tick people off, I will lose investors and bla bla bla.
EBANK can figure the rest out, I just dont like knowing somthing like this and not letting others know.
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Packtu'sa
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:44:00 -
[2]
If you are correct, surely you won't have to wait too much longer for it all to be made public.
Packtu'sa
Founder/CEO, Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp [NCIC] |
Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:46:00 -
[3]
Not normally a follower of drama threads, so I'm a bit out of the loop - but when you say Ric is banned, do you mean forum-banned, or BANHAMMER banned?
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:46:00 -
[4]
I should not say RIC is banned, that is an assumption for now until I hear him say it.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:48:00 -
[5]
400B non-secured loan is pretty huge.
How does someone get 400B unsecured.
Ric banned from game or EBANK?
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:49:00 -
[6]
 Originally by: Proton Power
*2mths ago give or take - EBANK lost a non secure loan of about 400bil Isk (Tehy forgot to mention it)
How exactly does someone get a loan of 400b unsecured? That's extremely irresponsible no matter who the loan is going to, in my opinion.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:50:00 -
[7]
Originally by: cosmoray
400B non-secured loan is pretty huge.
How does someone get 400B unsecured.
Ric banned from game or EBANK?
My assumption - Game, but this will probably be modded taling about bans so ; /
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:52:00 -
[8]
Ric selling EBANKS ISK?
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:52:00 -
[9]
There are two distinct and separate issues we're dealing with internally and the entire purpose of us keeping these discussions internal is so that people don't go posting inaccurate information....which you just did. I shouldn't need to lecture you about this and I'm disappointed I even have to respond in this setting.
Now; in regards to EBANK, we're working on resolving two different issues. The first we had just about closed the case on when another hit. I'd ask for a little patience as we work to resolve the second issue. We'll be addressing BOTH once we finish the second.
That's all I have to say right now about it.
EBANK - Chairman of the Board | www.eve-bank.net
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:52:00 -
[10]
FWIW, I've seen EBANK Ricdic log in in the past few days.
Nonetheless, I'ma go get myself some popcorn!
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Goonfleet Investment Banking - Bringing you the spoils of Delve!
Search Corestwo and Goonfleet Investment Banking under "issued by" on contracts for the current item list! |
Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:52:00 -
[11]
I am so hoping this is not a troll.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven
this thread is obviously going places
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:53:00 -
[12]
Holy ****!
Check my bio for audit info |
Joe Izuzu
SevLite Enterprises Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:53:00 -
[13]
Confirming this post is real. There is some **** going down and ebanks not being open about it is bad.
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:55:00 -
[14]
Edited by: Lui Kai on 10/06/2009 02:55:34
Anti-bull**** translator engaged:
"We're having issues. We can't tell you about them, because then people would post misinformation (which they're doing anyway). Now, because of my confirmation of said issues, but lack of details about them, said speculation will become wildly ******ed.
Have patience while we pointlessly stir the drama-pot without telling you what's wrong, and if you should be concerned"
Edit to celebrate: They've got none of my isk. Nyah nyah nyah.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:56:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Hexxx
There are two distinct and separate issues we're dealing with internally and the entire purpose of us keeping these discussions internal is so that people don't go posting inaccurate information....which you just did. I shouldn't need to lecture you about this and I'm disappointed I even have to respond in this setting.
Now; in regards to EBANK, we're working on resolving two different issues. The first we had just about closed the case on when another hit. I'd ask for a little patience as we work to resolve the second issue. We'll be addressing BOTH once we finish the second.
That's all I have to say right now about it.
Hexx its always patiance with EBANK is my issue. You knew about the loan 2mths ago and have not posted a single word since then. THis you have knownwn about for 24hrs and nothing to say hey dont send in isk other than your channel which what 20people are in?
I like you, I like AC, I like LOW who is workign for you but you have not made public for what 1-2mths now as well? You guys dont report which was my issue with you when i worked there.
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Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:57:00 -
[16]
I will point you to posts #31 and #32.
Devian predicts the future.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven
this thread is obviously going places
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:57:00 -
[17]
Holy ****!
Check my bio for audit info |
Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:58:00 -
[18]
<popcorn>
Oh this will be good :)
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:58:00 -
[19]
More fun facts.
Ricdic admits it, says he made about 5k off the deal for his family.
I am told the ebank ric character may be in the hands of another account now.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:00:00 -
[20]
New fact, default was 250bil not 400.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:00:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Proton Power
Ricdic admits it, says he made about 5k off the deal for his family.
So, was his kid really sick? Cuz if the money goes to his family for the kid, then something good came out of it
Check my bio for audit info |
Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:00:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Proton Power
More fun facts.
Ricdic admits it, says he made about 5k off the deal for his family.
I am told the ebank ric character may be in the hands of another account now.
Epic.
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Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:01:00 -
[23]
While I don't expect Ricdic to run at the moment...
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven
this thread is obviously going places
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:02:00 -
[24]
If this is true and they lost 250B +, then I would say there will be a good chance of a run on the bank.
Can EBANK survive.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:02:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Proton Power
New fact, default was 250bil not 400.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
EBANK - Chairman of the Board | www.eve-bank.net
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:04:00 -
[26]
Edited by: Lui Kai on 10/06/2009 03:05:48
Annnnd now Ebank's website is unavailable.
Let the bank run emorage begin!
Edit: Nevermind, apparently it's just experiencing intermittent error #1500's. Shame, the site goin down would have been much more hilarious.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:08:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Brock Nelson
Originally by: Proton Power
Ricdic admits it, says he made about 5k off the deal for his family.
So, was his kid really sick? Cuz if the money goes to his family for the kid, then something good came out of it
Yes this I still believe.
BTW EBANK does plan on trying to fix this IMO, and RIC is the only one that scammed. I posted this because I felt public should know sooner than later, and 24hrs+ and they wanted another 12-24hrs was to long.
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:08:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Proton Power
Assumtption - Ric then started taking isk and doing illegal activities based on ebank was screwed
I sincerely doubt Ricdic misappropriated any serious amounts of ISK, no matter what transpired. At the end of the day EBANK is still his legacy and even if it closes in disgrace I just can't imagine him doing anything to tarnish that legacy.
I would also like to point out that 400B is less than one quarter of their ISK. Getting .75 cents back on the dollar isn't too shabby of a worst case scenario.
Finally, my attempts to log into EBANK resulted in "A transport-level error has occurred when receiving results from the server. (provider: TCP Provider, error: 0 - The specified network name is no longer available.)" Perhaps they are actually experiencing technical errors as opposed to something more nefarious. On what authority do you have news of Ricdic being fired?
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:13:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Proton Power
New fact, default was 250bil not 400.
250B is quite recoverable. Hell, that's less than 15% of what they hold, surely they can make that back in a few months and I'd expect a decent portion of it can be covered by existing profits.
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Biruni Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:14:00 -
[30]
I'm confused... in less than an hour we go from this...
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1094185&page=1#4
Originally by: Proton Power
Posted - 2009.06.10 01:51:00
I call it first here, scammm... No more deposits, people ignoring me that normally talk to me daily on MSN and ingame. This notice with no reason when you left i think 2mths ago.
I hope not but its all coming in very fast. This is based on nothing btw :)
... to this? |
Joe Izuzu
SevLite Enterprises Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:15:00 -
[31]
that is just 1 defaulted loan
That 250b is not what was sold for RTM or what was lost in a ban wave i am sure happened.
Read the whole post and stop living in la la land. |
Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:18:00 -
[32]
Hey kwint you bastard, long time no see in-game or on MSN. you don't like me anymore? You should log in some time and call me names. |
Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:19:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
My attempts to log into EBANK resulted in "A transport-level error has occurred when receiving results from the server. (provider: TCP Provider, error: 0 - The specified network name is no longer available.)"
My login to eve-bank.net just now appeared successful. The site reports that my one million ISK is continuing to grow as promised, at a rate of more than 500 ISK per day! Soon I will be able to retire. |
Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:20:00 -
[34]
I heard AC slept with LoW |
Dzil
Caldari
Waffles Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:22:00 -
[35]
In before the lock. Which I'm guessing will be around page 8 or 9. |
Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:23:00 -
[36]
WTS - one internet spaceship bank, a bit tatty on the edges but still in usable condition.
Please place all bids in game. |
Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:24:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Joe Izuzu
that is just 1 defaulted loan
That 250b is not what was sold for RTM or what was lost in a ban wave i am sure happened.
Read the whole post and stop living in la la land.
The point of my argument is not that everything is okay and there's nothing to really worry about. My point was that a 250B loss while bad is not enough to make Ricdic declare "ebank was screwed" and grab what he could from the sinking ship. That loss is quite recoverable and just doesn't mesh with the rest of the story. There's something we're missing here. Whether or not Ricdic ran off with 100's of billions in further losses is unclear but I don't believe the supposition that he did it because EBANK wouldn't survive a 250B loss.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:25:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Joe Izuzu
that is just 1 defaulted loan
That 250b is not what was sold for RTM or what was lost in a ban wave i am sure happened.
Read the whole post and stop living in la la land.
The point of my argument is not that everything is okay and there's nothing to really worry about. My point was that a 250B loss while bad is not enough to make Ricdic declare "ebank was screwed" and grab what he could from the sinking ship. That loss is quite recoverable and just doesn't mesh with the rest of the story. There's something we're missing here. Whether or not Ricdic ran off with 100's of billions in further losses is unclear but I don't believe the supposition that he did it because EBANK wouldn't survive a 250B loss.
Seriously you ****, come talk to me. I'm online right now as EBANK Amarr155. |
Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:30:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Dzil
In before the lock. Which I'm guessing will be around page 8 or 9.
Based on some of the discussion and sure that this thread has been petitioned to be closed about 30 times now do to its contents, it wont make page 4 is my guess unless ccp just edit the bad stuff.
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Commander Yassir
Big Black Hole
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:30:00 -
[40]
In other news: Popcorn prices in Jita have spiked to 4k a kernel.
Conspiracy theories rumor that Mitnal is RicDic and that the whole crash is a cover to draw attention form the history of a bot thread.
It is also rumored that this is simply an elaborate troll by E-Bank to crash prices in order to facilitate more gain.
On a more serious note... In my opinion this is actually a good thing, with the death of the horrible system that is the MD forums IPOs and Bonds will become much more personal and.. well it will be done through chat channels where you interact with people ever day.
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The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. |
SencneS
Amarr
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:31:00 -
[41]
Woo HOO for rampant speculation.
I'd wait for some real notices before people go throwing ideas out etc. 450b, 200b, 250b ban this ban that, LOTS of data!!
Maybe people should keep your eyes pealed for the... REAL DETAILS!! <gasp!!>
Disclaimer - Since I have an EBANK SencneS character this post was not made as an official of EBANK and should not be take seriously or be held as truth or accurate in any way..
Amarr for Life |
Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:33:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Commander Yassir
On a more serious note... In my opinion this is actually a good thing, with the death of the horrible system that is the MD forums IPOs and Bonds will become much more personal and.. well it will be done through chat channels where you interact with people ever day.
Exactly this. If this is true, I owe Ricdic a thank-you card for taking a cricket bat to the already fragile trust in the stagnant MD community.
Kill it. Kill it with a stick.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:33:00 -
[43]
Originally by: SencneS
Woo HOO for rampant speculation.
I'd wait for some real notices before people go throwing ideas out etc. 450b, 200b, 250b ban this ban that, LOTS of data!!
Maybe people should keep your eyes pealed for the... REAL DETAILS!! <gasp!!>
Disclaimer - Since I have an EBANK SencneS character this post was not made as an official of EBANK and should not be take seriously or be held as truth or accurate in any way..
If you would post the facts in a TIMELY manner and not wait and hope for ISD to post somthing then maybe this wouldnt happen? You guys dont even know the facts is my understnading.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:34:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Joe Izuzu
that is just 1 defaulted loan
That 250b is not what was sold for RTM or what was lost in a ban wave i am sure happened.
Read the whole post and stop living in la la land.
The point of my argument is not that everything is okay and there's nothing to really worry about. My point was that a 250B loss while bad is not enough to make Ricdic declare "ebank was screwed" and grab what he could from the sinking ship. That loss is quite recoverable and just doesn't mesh with the rest of the story. There's something we're missing here. Whether or not Ricdic ran off with 100's of billions in further losses is unclear but I don't believe the supposition that he did it because EBANK wouldn't survive a 250B loss.
I think the speculation is that Ricdic IS the cause of the un-secured loan default, and was then booted from EBANK.
Only Ricdic had access to that amount of ISK, and could cause the most damage.
If this is true and it 'is only 250B', it is a huge blow to the confidence in the bank that the founder does a runner with ISK and could cause a run on the bank which MAY not be survivable.
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Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:34:00 -
[45]
If it's a troll then great, if it's a banking disaster then great. There is a positive outcome in either situation.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven
this thread is obviously going places
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Packtu'sa
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:36:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Proton Power
You guys dont even know the facts is my understnading.
Apparently you don't know the facts, sir. |
brutoid
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:37:00 -
[47]
I bet Lecherito is touching himself in a furious manner right now...... |
Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:39:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Packtu'sa
Originally by: Proton Power
You guys dont even know the facts is my understnading.
Apparently you don't know the facts, sir.
I do know EBANK should have posted about the default months ago, and that they should have posted about this situation much sooner or somthing so people know whats going on, I mean they do hold what 2trillion+ isk?
The facts were not pure concern to me, more of a hey public wake up, demand whats going on or alteast know somthing is going on. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:40:00 -
[49]
I heard that it was neither 250b nor 400b; it was 376.4b, lost in zydrine speculation. |
Mroe Bree
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:43:00 -
[50]
Show us on the doll where the bad man scammed you... |
Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:43:00 -
[51]
Ok, lets look at this...
PP said that 400b disappeared, scam most likley
Ric disappears, banhammer involved, will never confirm since CCP doesn't talk about it
Hexx says its actually 250b
So, why are you ragging on Proton? He shined a spot light on a issue that EBank didn't want it made public for the past 2 months. In fact, ISD was going to get the first scoop on this before Proton.
It's a tough and rough thing to do, blowing whistle on something that went down badley. It's most likely that Proton had lost some friend this way but in the end...something good will still come out of this. |
brutoid
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:48:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Mroe Bree
Show us on the doll where the bad man scammed you...
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:51:00 -
[53]
Quote:
So, why are you ragging on Proton? He shined a spot light on a issue that EBank didn't want it made public for the past 2 months. In fact, ISD was going to get the first scoop on this before Proton.
It's a tough and rough thing to do, blowing whistle on something that went down badley. It's most likely that Proton had lost some friend this way but in the end...something good will still come out of this.
This really. Those throwing hate at PP only do it because they know he's pretty on the ball with this one.
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James Tundra
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.10 03:52:00 -
[54]
Edited by: James Tundra on 10/06/2009 03:54:26
I would like to report that Tundra Investment Fund is going to report an extremely significant loss if Ebank defaults, to the tune of our entire deposit of 5.00 isk. This money was placed in EBank permanently in order to generate income through the properties of compound interest. It is estimated the current value of accounts is somewhere near 5.13 isk.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 04:02:00 -
[55]
Originally by: James Tundra
Edited by: James Tundra on 10/06/2009 03:54:26
I would like to report that Tundra Investment Fund is going to report an extremely significant loss if Ebank defaults, to the tune of our entire deposit of 5.00 isk. This money was placed in EBank permanently in order to generate income through the properties of compound interest. It is estimated the current value of accounts is somewhere near 5.13 isk.
I dont think EBANK will default, that was never the intention of this. The intention is to let the public know Ric infact scammed (so dont trust him if he convo's you with some alt) and that EBANK has some major catch up on reporting to do. I feel if they do these, and handle the slight run because of these issues' no matter who posts them, they will live on and prosper.
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Dzil
Caldari
Waffles Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.06.10 04:03:00 -
[56]
So, is it time for me to buy a mil in this one too?
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In EVE, when someone undercuts you, they're a lemming.
When you undercut someone else, it's skill/effort/manipulation.
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Mroe Bree
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.10 04:06:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Proton Power
I dont think EBANK will default, that was never the intention of this. The intention is to let the public know Ric infact scammed (so dont trust him if he convo's you with some alt) and that EBANK has some major catch up on reporting to do. I feel if they do these, and handle the slight run because of these issues' no matter who posts them, they will live on and prosper.
What's stranger is the "social experiment" of Ric's earlier. If he was going to soak ebank, why not try for a REAL scam or ten backed by his soon to be tarnished name?
Duno. I'll just munch my popcorn and watch the hysteria from the sidelines. |
Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 04:10:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Mroe Bree
Originally by: Proton Power
I dont think EBANK will default, that was never the intention of this. The intention is to let the public know Ric infact scammed (so dont trust him if he convo's you with some alt) and that EBANK has some major catch up on reporting to do. I feel if they do these, and handle the slight run because of these issues' no matter who posts them, they will live on and prosper.
What's stranger is the "social experiment" of Ric's earlier. If he was going to soak ebank, why not try for a REAL scam or ten backed by his soon to be tarnished name?
Duno. I'll just munch my popcorn and watch the hysteria from the sidelines.
TBH ric could have gotten much much more, as I could have when I was in EBANK, we had to unlock near 500bil in BPO's at one point to move them or somthing, so I don't think his intention was to ever really scam, if it was he could have gotten 3 times what he tells me he got with ease. I think he was put in a hard place with his RL and this was the way out. Not that its an excuse, but tbh if it did trully help him and his family then I would have spent the isk myself to help.
This is all speculation btw. |
Caleb Ayrania
Gallente
TarNec
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.10 04:10:00 -
[59]
These late running shows are destroying my sleeping pattern..
Have to stay up for the ending..
I think Mitnal did it in the living room with the lead pipe.
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CryHarder
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Posted - 2009.06.10 04:13:00 -
[60]
I heard what Ricdic wanted to do was to be able to sit in Jita and say..
Hi, I'm Ricdic! I recently scammed ISK and I'm in a giving mood! Send me ISK and whatever amount you do send, I'll send it back in triplicate!
The only catch is he really does send it back in triplicate!
Such an evil mastermind.. |
Mazzarins Demise
Profit Development and Research Association
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Posted - 2009.06.10 04:14:00 -
[61]
Isn't Ricdic known for such behaviors? Isn't that the reason Shar/Hawkblade left all those months ago?
I say we wait for the whole story to come out, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is just as vague as Hexx's replies. |
skilzrulz
Gallente
0neZeR0 Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.10 04:24:00 -
[62]
Edited by: skilzrulz on 10/06/2009 04:25:22
Quote:
Dakota says:
the deal i heard was liquidate all my assets and wire like 17bil which i did
Dakota says:
i remeber they never even took off the ammounts the bpos sold for
Dakota says:
or the 10, 5, 2 billion isk payments i made
Dakota says:
i would just get ignored when i asked or pushed to ricdic who was afk alot
Dakota says:
i talked to proton power
Dakota says:
and he just said ignore it
Amarr155(Ken) says:
yeah, im finding the posts now
Amarr155(Ken) says:
looks like it was just never cleaned
Amarr155(Ken) says:
btw, for future EBANK issues
Amarr155(Ken) says:
please contact me
Dakota says:
yeah
Amarr155(Ken) says:
Amarr Citizen 155
Dakota says:
cool, ill keep you on msn to
Amarr155(Ken) says:
im handling loans
Amarr155(Ken) says:
and ricdic is no longer a part of ebank
Amarr155(Ken) says:
They were jacking my titan investment thread, and flat out asked me for 150billion isk. |
Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2009.06.10 04:26:00 -
[63]
Originally by: skilzrulz
Quote:
Amarr155(Ken) says:
btw, for future EBANK issues
Amarr155(Ken) says:
please contact me
Dakota says:
yeah
Amarr155(Ken) says:
Amarr Citizen 155
Dakota says:
cool, ill keep you on msn to
Amarr155(Ken) says:
im handling loans
Amarr155(Ken) says:
and ricdic is no longer a part of ebank
Amarr155(Ken) says:
They were jacking my titan investment thread, and flat out asked me for 150billion isk.
Just a quick tidbit, no one asked you for 150billion isk as far as I know. If someone did, you should post that log rather than one that doesn't show anything that you are claiming. |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 04:26:00 -
[64]
Who invested in Ric's Titan bond? |
Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2009.06.10 04:27:00 -
[65]
Maybe he'll claim it is some RL issue.
Originally by: James 315
One victim sent an Evemail explaining that he had sold his characters for ISK and then deposited all of the ISK into Currin Trading. Since it was gone, he was leaving the game for good--and his wife asked to send along her thanks. SentryRaven ("Senty") wrote in to express his congratulations and ask facetiously if he should get a share of the haul, since he had been of assistance. (SentryRaven later got a job working as a teller for EBank, which is surely legitimate and not at all a Ponzi scheme.)
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skilzrulz
Gallente
0neZeR0 Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.10 04:30:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Originally by: skilzrulz
Quote:
Amarr155(Ken) says:
btw, for future EBANK issues
Amarr155(Ken) says:
please contact me
Dakota says:
yeah
Amarr155(Ken) says:
Amarr Citizen 155
Dakota says:
cool, ill keep you on msn to
Amarr155(Ken) says:
im handling loans
Amarr155(Ken) says:
and ricdic is no longer a part of ebank
Amarr155(Ken) says:
They were jacking my titan investment thread, and flat out asked me for 150billion isk.
Just a quick tidbit, no one asked you for 150billion isk as far as I know. If someone did, you should post that log rather than one that doesn't show anything that you are claiming.
Sorry, it was Ricdic that said, "you owe something like 150Billion isk"
and Amarr Citizen 155 was trying to clear that up by finding the logs. So somehow after all my debt was paid off it was said that I still owed 150Billion ISK, which ricdic told me, "You owe about 150Billion"
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Tobin Shalim
Warped Mining
Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.06.10 04:59:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Quote:
So, why are you ragging on Proton? He shined a spot light on a issue that EBank didn't want it made public for the past 2 months. In fact, ISD was going to get the first scoop on this before Proton.
It's a tough and rough thing to do, blowing whistle on something that went down badley. It's most likely that Proton had lost some friend this way but in the end...something good will still come out of this.
This really. Those throwing hate at PP only do it because they know he's pretty on the ball with this one.
/agree
PP shedding light on such a serious issue such as this is very important considering that the EBANK directors didn't want coming to light to the general population. While I'm not saying that the continued silence would have resulted in everyone losing their isk before they get a chance to pull it out/halt transactions....I'm saying that it could have been possible. Openness by them over this issue would have probably been the best action they could have done, not 2 months of silence on this.
Note to EBANK: it doesn't inspire investor confidence when something like this comes out. Just saying....
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Originally by: Gierling
Tech III is going to be "Fully modular" until someone crams the "EW Bonus" modules together with the "8 Midslots" modules...
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:01:00 -
[68]
Originally by: cosmoray
Who invested in Ric's Titan bond?
Linkage
I think it was paid back, no one has complained about not getting their isk back
Check my bio for audit info |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:06:00 -
[69]
/facepalm |
Varo Jan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:11:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Proton Power
Assumtption - Ric then started taking isk and doing illegal activities based on ebank was screwed
I sincerely doubt Ricdic misappropriated any serious amounts of ISK, no matter what transpired. At the end of the day EBANK is still his legacy and even if it closes in disgrace I just can't imagine him doing anything to tarnish that legacy.
Misappropriation, aka scam, is "serious" no matter the amount. So if Ricdic misappropriated a non-serious amount of, say, a few hundred billion for the sake of argument, then he leaves no legacy. Well, he leaves the memory of a cheat, a liar, and a scammer. End of story. |
Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:16:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Professor Leech on 10/06/2009 05:17:31
Originally by: Varo Jan
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Proton Power
Assumtption - Ric then started taking isk and doing illegal activities based on ebank was screwed
I sincerely doubt Ricdic misappropriated any serious amounts of ISK, no matter what transpired. At the end of the day EBANK is still his legacy and even if it closes in disgrace I just can't imagine him doing anything to tarnish that legacy.
Misappropriation, aka scam, is "serious" no matter the amount. So if Ricdic misappropriated a non-serious amount of, say, a few hundred billion for the sake of argument, then he leaves no legacy. Well, he leaves the memory of a cheat, a liar, and a scammer. End of story.
Kwint always defends ebank. He called me a troll and requested moderation for even questioning Ricdic's integrity 9 months ago for stating that Ricdic would eventually run with the isk. Thus my earlier links for the I told you so.
Note that Athre has accepted revenue for the YGR/LRN scam and was the first to defend YGR's bond when I pointed out that accepting money from a scam is inappropriate.
I'll dish out some further dirt and some conclusions of other activities as time goes on. |
Sophie Daigneau
CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:21:00 -
[72]
Originally by: cosmoray
Who invested in Ric's Titan bond?
While it was apparently paid back, the abrupt nature of it really makes you wonder who knew what and when. |
Drab Cane
Mining Emporium inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:25:00 -
[73]
In before the lock . . .
Just some more speculation - perhaps EBank wants to
a) figure out what happened,
b) how to fix it,
c) get it fixed,
d) how to keep it from happening again, and
e) how to tie the situation in a tidy knot to explain it all to their customers.
All this, before they hold the press conference.
Again, this is pure speculation.
*places more popcorn buy orders in remote vending systems*
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arjun
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:41:00 -
[74]
5 k rl cash is a temtation even if u have to give up reputation in a spaceshipgame which might have u bored atm or whatever.
thats the strongest reason why i dont place my isk in other players hands and live from the interest as much as i would like.
as long as rl cash is available trough isk and no ingame tools for the second market exist secondary money market is dead imo. |
Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:41:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Drab Cane
In before the lock . . .
Just some more speculation - perhaps EBank wants to
a) figure out what happened,
b) how to fix it,
c) get it fixed,
d) how to keep it from happening again, and
e) how to tie the situation in a tidy knot to explain it all to their customers.
All this, before they hold the press conference.
Again, this is pure speculation.
*places more popcorn buy orders in remote vending systems*
I agree to a point. But you do realize out of the 450-650bil isk that is now gone, over half that happend 2mths ago and they knew about it 2mths ago? Does it really take that long to workout that yoru customer says they are not paying the loan back?
If they posted that, if they posted new employee's they have hired without telling people, if they posted other stuff in a timely manner then maybe I could have let this go another 24hrs, but they have not, so I posted this. If you let them go by what you siad above they will never have every single fact, and account for every single isk, which then gives them the right to never post on it which is what has happend in the past. |
Ebolak
Vengeance Asset Relocation
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:43:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Professor Leech
Edited by: Professor Leech on 10/06/2009 05:17:31
Originally by: Varo Jan
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Proton Power
Assumtption - Ric then started taking isk and doing illegal activities based on ebank was screwed
I sincerely doubt Ricdic misappropriated any serious amounts of ISK, no matter what transpired. At the end of the day EBANK is still his legacy and even if it closes in disgrace I just can't imagine him doing anything to tarnish that legacy.
Misappropriation, aka scam, is "serious" no matter the amount. So if Ricdic misappropriated a non-serious amount of, say, a few hundred billion for the sake of argument, then he leaves no legacy. Well, he leaves the memory of a cheat, a liar, and a scammer. End of story.
Kwint always defends ebank. He called me a troll and requested moderation for even questioning Ricdic's integrity 9 months ago for stating that Ricdic would eventually run with the isk. Thus my earlier links for the I told you so.
Note that Athre has accepted revenue for the YGR/LRN scam and was the first to defend YGR's bond when I pointed out that accepting money from a scam is inappropriate.
I'll dish out some further dirt and some conclusions of other activities as time goes on.
Oh no Professor...... you said that he would scam and run with the money and that must have pressured him into it.... the same way LRNYGR was forced to scam by peoples predictions  |
Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:44:00 -
[77]
Addition to above.
People are still investing isk into EBANK as we speak, to a character that nobody knows for sure if it will be transfered. EBANK should have at the minimum posted here stating they are nto taking ANY deposits, not jsut there ebank channel which maybe 20 regulars hang out in. |
Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:48:00 -
[78]
I like how the advisory to not deposit in their channel is attributed to "problems with [their] database"
Comedy gold. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:51:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Lui Kai
I like how the advisory to not deposit in their channel is attributed to "problems with [their] database"
Comedy gold.
If the speculation is right, then it might be because EBANK Ricdic got banned.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:55:00 -
[80]
interesting.... |
Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:56:00 -
[81]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Lui Kai
I like how the advisory to not deposit in their channel is attributed to "problems with [their] database"
Comedy gold.
If the speculation is right, then it might be because EBANK Ricdic got banned.
So the bank's database is EBANK Ricdic. Ahahahaha. This only gets better. |
Alex555
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Posted - 2009.06.10 06:24:00 -
[82]
funny
I would seriously doubt that ebank will ever recover.
It is like a stab in a back.
As to conclude, I think it is the end of secondary market in eve.
No hard feelings
It has been stincking already
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Alphrya
Inter-Region Trade And Logistics
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Posted - 2009.06.10 06:27:00 -
[83]
I shall be taking over from Ricdic.
Please direct all deposits towards "alphrya".
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.06.10 06:33:00 -
[84]
Originally by: brutoid
I bet Lecherito is touching himself in a furious manner right now......
Hehehe. I thought I felt a disturbance in the force this morning to the tune of several thousand USD worth of ISK. Good times. Actually, I'll keep things relatively short (I am just a trolling naysayer, afterall). "Reputation" (whatever the hell that means on the internetz) plays far too large of a role in one's ability to garner and utilize funds on the MD. I'm not talking trust, as I have for someone like JT, a small business operator who I continually trust with billions of ISK. No, I'm talking reputation, the echoing of someone's capabilities so much so that Joe the MD newbie will give him the green light just due to his name alone.
This is a decadent system. Numerous posts and chats in SCC attest to this, to the stagnation from which the MD community has suffered over the last few months. The oligarchical reign enjoyed by a select few, less than half of them deserving, has been on it's way out for some time now. I believe we have Tardic to thank for acting as a new catalyst, which should in turn serve to expedite the removal of the current, corrupt system, and supplant it with something more circumstantially appropriate.
But truly, the average MDer needs up his proverbial game. TL;DR is not an acceptable reason for not reading three intelligibly written paragraphs, instead relying on the MD pseudo-deities for interpretation and green light. The average MDer needs to understand that questioning the system is inherently defending the system, that there is a difference between probing and trolling. I myself have been flamed to *no end* for criticizing LRN for exhibiting a disconcerting amount of questionable behavior. Hell, I've even been blamed for his choice to scam.
I've also been flamed to no end for questioning the very sanctity of that which makes up the almighty Ricdic, despite some very suspicious behavior (Endorsing LRN's dealings, for example)c. No matter the charge, loyal legions show up to answer the call. Anyone who criticizes those not meant to receive criticism are immediately dismissed as trolls, despite the validity of any arguments mayhaps articulated. Even now, Ricdic's behavior is being defended by individuals in SCC (Daeva Vios), stating that the MD community pushed Ricdic to act as he did. Really?
*No one* should exist above criticism, no one should should possess enough "reputation" that defending one's actions explaining anomalies. It sounds like Eve bank should have been forthright about the shady dealings months ago. Why weren't they? Because they, as an institution, are held in a light far above that of the average CEO, the average corporation. There were lots of signs to predict this turn of events. And had Ebank been more responsible with their dealings, that's right, more responsible and less proud, we might have been able to prevent it.
-L
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.06.10 06:40:00 -
[85]
In support of EBANK, I filed a withdrawal request today (yes, after PP made this thread) withdrawing the entirety of my deposit at EBANK (4b + interest). My reasons for this are mostly that I need the liquidity to expand operations, although I won't deny that I was looking to secure my funds as well.
Upon logging into my account just now, the entire sum has been transferred to me by an EBANK teller. The fact that my money was returned as EBANK guaranteed it would be indicates (to me at least) that operations still continue (at least on the withdrawal side) at EBANK. If it was a scam, my money would not be sitting in my wallet right now.
It's not a scam, the edifice hasn't crumbled, the emperor is still wearing clothes. Chill out (since, aside from making a run on the bank, that's all we can do) and wait for someone (hopefully Hexxx as he's probably the most cogent EBANK employee) to issue an official statement on wtf is happening with Ricdic and defaulted unsecured loans. |
Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.06.10 06:47:00 -
[86]
You know - I got far too caught up in the drama with my posting. After having some time to talk with reasonable people about interesting subjects, I've calmed down.
To any Ebank rep/member - I apologize for the earlier ****-stirring.
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Corp Executor
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Posted - 2009.06.10 06:51:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Frenden Dax
In support of EBANK, I filed a withdrawal request today (yes, after PP made this thread) withdrawing the entirety of my deposit at EBANK (4b + interest). My reasons for this are mostly that I need the liquidity to expand operations, although I won't deny that I was looking to secure my funds as well.
Upon logging into my account just now, the entire sum has been transferred to me by an EBANK teller. The fact that my money was returned as EBANK guaranteed it would be indicates (to me at least) that operations still continue (at least on the withdrawal side) at EBANK. If it was a scam, my money would not be sitting in my wallet right now.
It's not a scam, the edifice hasn't crumbled, the emperor is still wearing clothes. Chill out (since, aside from making a run on the bank, that's all we can do) and wait for someone (hopefully Hexxx as he's probably the most cogent EBANK employee) to issue an official statement on wtf is happening with Ricdic and defaulted unsecured loans.
Same here, I have withdrawn over 5B in the last 3 days for operating reasons and I have received the funds in a timely manner (i.e. 12-24 hours). Give them a chance to figure this out...
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 06:53:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Lui Kai
You know - I got far too caught up in the drama with my posting. After having some time to talk with reasonable people about interesting subjects, I've calmed down.
To any Ebank rep/member - I apologize for the earlier ****-stirring.
Originally by: Frenden Dax
In support of EBANK, I filed a withdrawal request today (yes, after PP made this thread) withdrawing the entirety of my deposit at EBANK (4b + interest). My reasons for this are mostly that I need the liquidity to expand operations, although I won't deny that I was looking to secure my funds as well.
Upon logging into my account just now, the entire sum has been transferred to me by an EBANK teller. The fact that my money was returned as EBANK guaranteed it would be indicates (to me at least) that operations still continue (at least on the withdrawal side) at EBANK. If it was a scam, my money would not be sitting in my wallet right now.
It's not a scam, the edifice hasn't crumbled, the emperor is still wearing clothes. Chill out (since, aside from making a run on the bank, that's all we can do) and wait for someone (hopefully Hexxx as he's probably the most cogent EBANK employee) to issue an official statement on wtf is happening with Ricdic and defaulted unsecured loans.
Both very reasonables posts, which I'm very happy about.
Thank you guys. A lot of other people could learn a bit from that.
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Galal Dax
Young Enterprise
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.06.10 06:59:00 -
[89]
I still have confidence in Ebank - and have some ISK there.
I wanted a safe place to invest the proceeds from the sale of my risk General Motors bonds - and a friend named Bernie called me from his hotel room - OH NO!
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.10 07:04:00 -
[90]
Quote:
Woo HOO for rampant speculation.
I'd wait for some real notices before people go throwing ideas out etc. 450b, 200b, 250b ban this ban that, LOTS of data!!
Maybe people should keep your eyes pealed for the... REAL DETAILS!! <gasp!!>
In case of rampant speculation, fast and effective transparency usually help sedate it.
Quote:
Exactly this. If this is true, I owe Ricdic a thank-you card for taking a cricket bat to the already fragile trust in the stagnant MD community.
I don't know the effect this will have on MD, but MD is one of those self sustaining systems that grow of old age till something happens.
CFR "Punctuated evolution" theory.
Quote:
I would like to report that Tundra Investment Fund is going to report an extremely significant loss if Ebank defaults, to the tune of our entire deposit of 5.00 isk.
This pushes me for my own public report how Vahrokh Holding risks incurring in a gross 0.01 ISK loss.
The Holding expects to slowly recover from the loss and return to active balance within the year.
Quote:
As to conclude, I think it is the end of secondary market in eve.
No hard feelings
It has been stincking already
It might (still have to prove it tbh) be the end.
After the end comes a new cycle.
With a new cycle comes a fresher air.
Sometimes.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.06.10 07:05:00 -
[91]
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 10/06/2009 07:08:36
Originally by: brutoid
I bet Lecherito is touching himself in a furious manner right now......
Knowing Riethe as well as I do, I don't think that will happen until he manages to infiltrate the remaining major alliances and reenact the GHSC heist i.e. the biggest waste of time since Jesus Christ.
Black Sun Empire |
Eric Woo
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Posted - 2009.06.10 07:25:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Lui Kai
WTS - one internet spaceship bank, a bit tatty on the edges but still in usable condition.
Please place all bids in game.
Offer send :)
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Marcus Baltar
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Posted - 2009.06.10 09:22:00 -
[93]
Another thread where it is making me feel dirty... 
First, just want to say that I have received the withdrawal request I made yesterday, before all this kicked off, for several billion. Thanks. 
That said, I will be withdrawing (I hope) the rest until such time as EBANK make an official statement of what has, is and will be happening.
Confirmation of this statement by all EBANK directors and employees that this is a true accounting and plan would help to ensure that characters are really behind EBANK.
I hope that things are not as bad as is being speculated, but think EBANK might financially recover from even that. However it seems that responsibility to the investors and information dispersal needs to be learnt by one of the bigger "institutions" of MD/Eve.
Maybe now MD has such "faith" in audits, EBANK will adopt this and will open itself up to external auditors? I appreciate that it has internal auditors, but they are not much use if they have to secretly resign because of their findings. Sorry Selene, you sound the sort of principled auditor that is needed, but this was spoilt by resigning in secret or not letting the investors know.
Thanks to PP for the whistle blowing (I think?). I do hope that you are sure of the facts and, if true, they can not be too "spun", or your reputation may come into question.
I am currently not sure if to be surprised, saddened, shocked, upset, angry or resigned as to the recent course MD is taking.... |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 09:28:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Marcus Baltar
First, just want to say that I have received the withdrawal request I made yesterday, before all this kicked off, for several billion. Thanks.
We are still doing withdrawals. So even if you did it today, you should get your ISK
Quote:
That said, I will be withdrawing (I hope) the rest until such time as EBANK make an official statement of what has, is and will be happening.
Confirmation of this statement by all EBANK directors and employees that this is a true accounting and plan would help to ensure that characters are really behind EBANK.
Just a matter of time, obviously.
I'm sure, if it was possible to do straight away, it would have been done.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 10:07:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Marcus Baltar
Another thread where it is making me feel dirty...
First, just want to say that I have received the withdrawal request I made yesterday, before all this kicked off, for several billion. Thanks.
That said, I will be withdrawing (I hope) the rest until such time as EBANK make an official statement of what has, is and will be happening.
Confirmation of this statement by all EBANK directors and employees that this is a true accounting and plan would help to ensure that characters are really behind EBANK.
I hope that things are not as bad as is being speculated, but think EBANK might financially recover from even that. However it seems that responsibility to the investors and information dispersal needs to be learnt by one of the bigger "institutions" of MD/Eve.
Maybe now MD has such "faith" in audits, EBANK will adopt this and will open itself up to external auditors? I appreciate that it has internal auditors, but they are not much use if they have to secretly resign because of their findings. Sorry Selene, you sound the sort of principled auditor that is needed, but this was spoilt by resigning in secret or not letting the investors know.
Thanks to PP for the whistle blowing (I think?). I do hope that you are sure of the facts and, if true, they can not be too "spun", or your reputation may come into question.
I am currently not sure if to be surprised, saddened, shocked, upset, angry or resigned as to the recent course MD is taking....
The facts are they had a very large non-collateral loan backout about 2mths ago. I was told it was 250b to 400b depending on who you ask. Eitehr way this was NEVER reported to the public.
Ricdic "Claims" to have sold plenty of isk, and scam. This was known now for 36hrs isk and still nto reported on.
They have transfered the ebankricdic character the one the isk goes to, to LV, BUT as of right now nobody is sure if it will work is my understanding.
The over all is very much correct.
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I would like to point out again I don't think EBANK is a scam, I think those still running EBANK from my understanding want to do what is right and keep EBANK running. Isk wise I doubt they will have many issues right now getting people withdrawls, there are just way to many inactive people with GOD knows how much isk in EBANK that will never know nor care about this which will help a lot.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 10:10:00 -
[96]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Marcus Baltar
First, just want to say that I have received the withdrawal request I made yesterday, before all this kicked off, for several billion. Thanks.
We are still doing withdrawals. So even if you did it today, you should get your ISK
Quote:
That said, I will be withdrawing (I hope) the rest until such time as EBANK make an official statement of what has, is and will be happening.
Confirmation of this statement by all EBANK directors and employees that this is a true accounting and plan would help to ensure that characters are really behind EBANK.
Just a matter of time, obviously.
I'm sure, if it was possible to do straight away, it would have been done.
I will ask the same question to you that I have asked others. Why couldnt the default 2mths ago been told to the public? You guys are missing that this was 2mths ago? Why when this happend could not a small statement saying hey don't send isk, we are working on some issues, more info to come so that people would not still have been sending isk until you are sure you could get the EBANK Ric characters in your hands?
If you told the public about the first 250-400b loss that happend 2mths ago, then today all you would be explaininig is 200bil or what ever the true number is that Ric scammed. That is the point I am trying to make to you guys.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.06.10 10:20:00 -
[97]
Hi. I'd like to apply to the BOD. Clearly you need some help.
| Auction Prowler |
Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.06.10 10:22:00 -
[98]
No one likes to admit that an entity in which they placed loads of faith has failed them. Despite all the evidence and downright sketch behavior, expect the lemmings to soak up every bit of PR thrown their way.
-L
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 11:18:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Proton Power
I will ask the same question to you that I have asked others. Why couldnt the default 2mths ago been told to the public? You guys are missing that this was 2mths ago?
I'm not responsible in this whole deal. So ask Ricdic about that loan.
Quote:
Why when this happend could not a small statement saying hey don't send isk, we are working on some issues, more info to come so that people would not still have been sending isk until you are sure you could get the EBANK Ric characters in your hands?
Wake up my dear. We already did in 3 places.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 11:22:00 -
[100]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Proton Power
I will ask the same question to you that I have asked others. Why couldnt the default 2mths ago been told to the public? You guys are missing that this was 2mths ago?
I'm not responsible in this whole deal. So ask Ricdic about that loan.
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Why when this happend could not a small statement saying hey don't send isk, we are working on some issues, more info to come so that people would not still have been sending isk until you are sure you could get the EBANK Ric characters in your hands?
Wake up my dear. We already did in 3 places.
Ric was in charge of that loan? Funny your own staff is telling me different, and even if he dealt with this loan you all knew it was scammed so why didn't somone else say hey we need to make this public?
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 11:30:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Proton Power
Ric was in charge of that loan? Funny your own staff is telling me different, and even if he dealt with this loan you all knew it was scammed so why didn't somone else say hey we need to make this public?
Didn't I make myself clear?
I'm not involved with that loan. I hardly know the specific details.
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SonOfAGhost
Minmatar
Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository
Zzz
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Posted - 2009.06.10 11:49:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Proton Power
I would like to point out again I don't think EBANK is a scam, I think those still running EBANK from my understanding want to do what is right and keep EBANK running.
/me has a flashback to EIB 3 years ago |
Confuzer
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.06.10 11:50:00 -
[103]
lol
- A 250bil loan totally went unnoticed?
- You did actually loan that ammount to one person/organisation?
- tl;dr all the info, please make a threadpost about this 
- Popcorn |
Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 11:57:00 -
[104]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Proton Power
Ric was in charge of that loan? Funny your own staff is telling me different, and even if he dealt with this loan you all knew it was scammed so why didn't somone else say hey we need to make this public?
Didn't I make myself clear?
I'm not involved with that loan. I hardly know the specific details.
You just told me the reason its not reported on is because it has taken you guys 2mths to work it out and just got the answer last week. Now you say you know nohting about it. You cant keep going back and forth which one is it? I was tryign to keep this in our MSN convo BUT you wanted to bring it back here.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 12:05:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Proton Power
Ric was in charge of that loan? Funny your own staff is telling me different, and even if he dealt with this loan you all knew it was scammed so why didn't somone else say hey we need to make this public?
Didn't I make myself clear?
I'm not involved with that loan. I hardly know the specific details.
You just told me the reason its not reported on is because it has taken you guys 2mths to work it out and just got the answer last week. Now you say you know nohting about it. You cant keep going back and forth which one is it? I was tryign to keep this in our MSN convo BUT you wanted to bring it back here.
Read what I'm saying.
I was not involved with this loan. I do not know who took the loan, I do not know the exact amount, I do not know WHAT happened to the ISK. I have been busy with exams the last 2-3 weeks. 
People have been working on it internally, to some degree or another. And I'm honestly not sure what the conclusion was.
And do you know why? I was never involved with the loan.
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Dar'kin Rokior
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Posted - 2009.06.10 12:07:00 -
[106]
Originally by: corestwo
I heard that it was neither 250b nor 400b; it was 376.4b, lost in zydrine speculation.
I heard it was 133.7b, because that would just be awesome.
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.06.10 12:28:00 -
[107]
I'm surprised that the "Naysaying MD newbies pushed Ricdic to scam" card hasn't yet been played.
-L |
Galal Dax
Young Enterprise
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.06.10 12:34:00 -
[108]
I have put in my withdrawal request and will see what will happen.
Too bad though tbh, as I believed Ebank was very solid - and think it is a good idea to have it.
Interest was not that much of course, but it was nice to think you were putting some idle ISK to work.
Will have to look at more trading opps now lol - or just let more ISK sit there...
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.06.10 13:07:00 -
[109]
Hexxx,
I look forward to your official response.
I have several questions, and I hope you can answer them as well.
1) What is the current bankÆs liquidity?
2) Who holds the majority of the liquid ISK?
3) How much ISK is locked in BPOs?
4) Who is EBANKÆs official CEO?
5) How much has the bank lost?
6) What is the bankÆs gross and net income?
7) What are the bankÆs mayor liabilities?
8) Who is your internal auditor?
Other comments:
1) Please update your website to represent the actual active staff and BOD.
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.10 13:09:00 -
[110]
calm down, starting mass withdrawals helps nothing.
i would like to deposit some isk if that is possible?
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"Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed" |
Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.10 13:20:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Hexxx,
I look forward to your official response.
I have several questions, and I hope you can answer them as well.
1) What is the current bankÆs liquidity?
2) Who holds the majority of the liquid ISK?
3) How much ISK is locked in BPOs?
4) Who is EBANKÆs official CEO?
5) How much has the bank lost?
6) What is the bankÆs gross and net income?
7) What are the bankÆs mayor liabilities?
8) Who is your internal auditor?
Other comments:
1) Please update your website to represent the actual active staff and BOD.
Block, please see the official thread I just posted. Some of your questions I can't answer - our liquidity as of yesterday was 400 billion to 500 billion. This number is in flux though because of withdraws and liquidations on our end.
A large amount of ISK is being held by me (around 240 billion) with tellers receiving the normal amount.
We have significant amounts of ISK in BPO's to the tune of 5 Titan BPO's. They have been profitable and we'd rather like to avoid liquidating them since the income is safe and passive.
EBANK's acting CEO is Athre.
As I mentioned before, Ricdic stole 200 Billion. This was almost entirely in cash. He "took the money and ran" as it were.
The Bank measures itself through asset valuation, surpluses and deficits. We don't have an accurate number because right now we are engaged in ALOT of activity. I'm not too worried about this though.
Our major liabilities would, as usual, be our loans. However today we just had a 40 billion loan repaid.
Our internal auditor was Selene. We have not had time yet to find a replacement.
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Marcus Baltar
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Posted - 2009.06.10 13:30:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Marcus Baltar on 10/06/2009 13:33:21
Hexxx - thanks for the statement.
I trust in what you say, but please keep things updated.
Also, give out as much info as possible.
Re-reading everything, things are possibly not as bad as I first thought, and fingers crossed they are not, but I think it does show that important events should be announced and dealt with as quickly as possible, ie. before someone else posts about them.
Good luck, and hope EBANK continues, but it will seem a little gilded (to me, anyway).
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TheVad
Amarr
Metalworks
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Posted - 2009.06.10 13:52:00 -
[113]
Guys its real simple. One person is not EBANK. Our internal risk controls unfortunately have been tested and they have passed.
PP- You have to understand that EBANK needed some time to prepare and liquidate assets prior to making the announcement so we could fulfill our obligation to anyone requesting withdrawal of their isk. You can not liquidate instantly and thus we wanted to make sure we had things in place to handle results of such said announcement.
Some of you are so worried about what went wrong you are not looking at what has been and continues to go right. Every EBANK customer has two choices: With drawl their isk or not. EBANK can handle any choice our customers make as we are relativity elastic. EBANK is still very solvent and while we lost some profits/value we are still way in the green.
At the end of the day people will still be looking for a place to invest passive isk, and when you look at the secondary market options and way the risks vs. rewards, EBANK is still a low RISK entity. Our controls we put in place have worked.
People are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
TheVad
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Sophia Truthspeaker
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.06.10 13:58:00 -
[114]
I am pretty much a nobody concerning MD and finance. Still here is my post and opinion. I can't tell you 'I told you so' because I never did. I could be gloating, because I privatly withdrew most of my small amount I had in Ebank a while ago, but I hope it doesn't show.
I believe, and have adopted myself already, a more shaded approach concerning investments. At the moment its black or white, scam or no scam. I don't think that is an enough distinction. I consider a scam anything that from the start is a plan to aquire isk from various sources by lying. On the other side is the plan that aquire isk to generate more isk and pay back the isk later. Somewhere in between I'd put the failed investment and change of plans. In the former something happend and the isk is gone even though the planner still would have liked to pay it back but can't. In the later someone with at first honest intention switches to the 'let's keep the isk' plan for various reasons. And once again somewhere in between those two is the part where the isk is lost due to a very stupid perhaps neglecting mistake so it can't be paid back.
From the meager informations available my picture at the moment is that a big loan, and anything with tens of billions in it is big to me, was unsecured and then busted. That one I would consider a stupid mistake but I'd think Ebank would recover from it easily.
Then something happend to Ricdic. He hasn't posted which could mean serious trouble. As I understand the deposit side of Ebank, if the API of his account is disabled Ebank would not be able to pick up deposits as Ebank wouldn't know it was made. The disabling of the API, if that is the reason for the technical difficulties, could mean a ban from the game. As it is, this is speculating but within my picture at this moment. If Ricdics disappearance also made more isk vanish, I don't know. Is the bad loan mentioned earlier tied in with it? No idea.
Still I sincerly believe that Ebank can recover from this at all, if the propotions aren't far bigger than what is rumored at this moment.
When Ebank started there were two names I trusted and most of my trust in Ebank is still tied to those two people. Those names are Shar Tegral and Hexxx. As such my level of trust dimineshed greatyl when first Shar quit Ebank, and when Hexxx was much rarer seen in these forums. That was the reason I pulled out most of my funds a few weeks ago. And my trust that some poeple on the board have the potential to make stupid mistakes as perhaps seen with that big bad loan.
As far as I understood Shars reason for quitting he saw this potential too. The promises made at the start of Ebank were that no one would be able to run away with 50 billion isk because no one had access to more than that. I felt this promise was backed up by Hexxx and I really hope he didn't let me down.
Is Ebank a scam? No. There are good people still in it and the starting plan was to my believe never one about scamming. Mistakes were made and who is to blame for the mistakes time will tell.
As to those people who cry scam at the first mentioning of investment. I loathe those people. A warning about a scam attempt is fair and square but in my opinion a constant false cry can and will influence someone to change his plans. Motivation in the game is a big factor to keep on being honest. If you erode that you will have created another self fulfilling prophecy.
Edit: took long to write this... Thanks Hexxx for the official posts, I'll read it as soon as this post here will get to the forums... |
Taelech
Caldari
Caldari Design and Cryogenics
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Posted - 2009.06.10 14:17:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Taelech on 10/06/2009 14:18:48
Just tried to get to EBank...
Error Code 10061: Connection refused
Background: The server you are attempting to access has refused the connection with the gateway. This usually results from trying to connect to a service that is inactive on the server.
Date: 6/10/2009 2:15:39 PM [GMT]
ed: Got in, apparently the interweb tubes were just filled with kittys... |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.10 14:24:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 10/06/2009 14:25:17
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EBANK's acting CEO is Athre.
I find it cool as we seem "in tune", even on your forums :D
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As I mentioned before, Ricdic stole 200 Billion. This was almost entirely in cash. He "took the money and ran" as it were.
The other day I got thrown rotten eggs because I said that even the apparently incorruptible might have a price, expecially when the deal may easily change the outcome of the Goons vs ex BoB blocks. That is, inhumane power in the hands on a single potential point of failure, this makes statistics cry.
I see I score today.
In retrospective, knowing everyone got a price even one-self is good: it helps constructing a better system, where human weakness is taken into account instead of a blind faith in "The Names".
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We don't have an accurate number because right now we are engaged in ALOT of activity. I'm not too worried about this though.
I find this a bit disturbing, but then it's just me.
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I believe, and have adopted myself already, a more shaded approach concerning investments. At the moment its black or white, scam or no scam. I don't think that is an enough distinction. I consider a scam anything that from the start is a plan to aquire isk from various sources by lying. On the other side is the plan that aquire isk to generate more isk and pay back the
You did the right choice, because between blatant scam vs zero reward lies the word "business".
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Arous Drephius
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Posted - 2009.06.10 14:50:00 -
[117]
Just recieved the "EBANK deposit warning" email from LaVista, and I have to say I'm disappointed with your email privacy standards. The email was sent with (all?) the recipients email addresses in the To field, effectively disclosing a lot of email addresses that people may not have wanted others to know about.
I really expected better from you.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 14:52:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Arous Drephius
Just recieved the "EBANK deposit warning" email from LaVista, and I have to say I'm disappointed with your email privacy standards. The email was sent with (all?) the recipients email addresses in the To field, effectively disclosing a lot of email addresses that people may not have wanted others to know about.
I really expected better from you.
As earlier stated, the application used for it, didn't work as expected, resulting in that emails.
Again, I'm deeply sorry for this.
And no, not everybody got this mail, due to the way it was being done.
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Dranakolys
Gallente
Theurgy
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:51:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Dranakolys on 10/06/2009 16:53:12
Oh this is *such* a shock
I'm like super surprised by this.
Ricdic has always been a moron. Anyone who though for a moment that he would never run with the money, is also a moron, and has apparently never read his posts on this forum. The only reason it took this long is because he actually enjoyed the ego-trip from being prominent in this (The MD) "community".
Over the 2+ years I have spent reading this forum he has made a lot of stupid investments, almost exclusively ******ed posts and none of the public businesses he operated have been what you could describe as successful. EBank would have fallen apart a long time ago if it wasn't for all the hardworking people there that kept it together.
To Hexx, Kwint and the rest of you EBank fellows, thanks so much for propping Ricdic up until now. You don't have to anymore. 
PS.
*fap* *fap* *fap* |
Dranakolys
Gallente
Theurgy
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:13:00 -
[120]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Just a matter of time, obviously.
I'm sure, if it was possible to do straight away, it would have been done.
This is bull and you should know better. Just what is so complicated about the operations in EBank that you couldn't report a massive loss of at least 10% NAV in less than 2 months? IF PP didn't post about it, it would have been kept quiet and never reported. If that wasn't the case, it would already have happened.
The same goes for the second drama bomb, aka Ricdic. All signs point to the powers-that-be at EBank keeping this quiet indefinitely, as well.
Which leads me to the inevitable conclusion that the EBank BoD as an entity (not necessarily the individuals), are just as bankrupt as Ricdic is, when it comes to responsibility. Either incompetent or dishonest or both. |
Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:19:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 10/06/2009 17:20:55
Originally by: Dranakolys
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Just a matter of time, obviously.
I'm sure, if it was possible to do straight away, it would have been done.
This is bull and you should know better. Just what is so complicated about the operations in EBank that you couldn't report a massive loss of at least 10% NAV in less than 2 months? IF PP didn't post about it, it would have been kept quiet and never reported. If that wasn't the case, it would already have happened.
The same goes for the second drama bomb, aka Ricdic. All signs point to the powers-that-be at EBank keeping this quiet indefinitely, as well.
Which leads me to the inevitable conclusion that the EBank BoD as an entity (not necessarily the individuals), are just as bankrupt as Ricdic is, when it comes to responsibility. Either incompetent or dishonest or both.
Same here, not at all suprised, and kinda glad it happened. Ricdic had been on an ego-trip for the last year. If there is anyone to blame here, is the EBANK ppl, for letting this happen, and don't serve me that B U L L S H I T about his kid or whatever.
That stuff stays out of game, this is in-game, he did what he did, he did bad investments and compared to the EBANK cronies showing their support in this thread, this comes from someone with the balls to post with his ****ing main.
The fact is, you incredible idiots, tried to cover it up, and refused to post at least a pre-emptive warning on the forums, not to mention refusing to discuss those 400b that were lost.
Everyone from now on who still trusts EBANK deserves to gets scammed out of their ISK.
Time to get a Ricdic signature making fun of the MD oligarchy and start trolling these here premises i guess. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:35:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Dranakolys
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Just a matter of time, obviously.
I'm sure, if it was possible to do straight away, it would have been done.
This is bull and you should know better. Just what is so complicated about the operations in EBank that you couldn't report a massive loss of at least 10% NAV in less than 2 months? IF PP didn't post about it, it would have been kept quiet and never reported. If that wasn't the case, it would already have happened.
The same goes for the second drama bomb, aka Ricdic. All signs point to the powers-that-be at EBank keeping this quiet indefinitely, as well.
Which leads me to the inevitable conclusion that the EBank BoD as an entity (not necessarily the individuals), are just as bankrupt as Ricdic is, when it comes to responsibility. Either incompetent or dishonest or both.
You have no idea of how complex a such operation is, when we start discussing RMT and real-life ties it has. It's not exactly a secret that RMT operations are strongly tied with illegal operations like credit card fraud and other things like that.
Hence, talking about the events prematurely would be bad. |
Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:37:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 10/06/2009 17:38:18
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Dranakolys
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Just a matter of time, obviously.
I'm sure, if it was possible to do straight away, it would have been done.
This is bull and you should know better. Just what is so complicated about the operations in EBank that you couldn't report a massive loss of at least 10% NAV in less than 2 months? IF PP didn't post about it, it would have been kept quiet and never reported. If that wasn't the case, it would already have happened.
The same goes for the second drama bomb, aka Ricdic. All signs point to the powers-that-be at EBank keeping this quiet indefinitely, as well.
Which leads me to the inevitable conclusion that the EBank BoD as an entity (not necessarily the individuals), are just as bankrupt as Ricdic is, when it comes to responsibility. Either incompetent or dishonest or both.
You have no idea of how complex a such operation is, when we start discussing RMT and real-life ties it has. It's not exactly a secret that RMT operations are strongly tied with illegal operations like credit card fraud and other things like that.
Hence, talking about the events prematurely would be bad.
Yeah, premature ... i hear that a lot. It was also premature to post a warning on MD forums instead of waiting 36hs for ppl to keep depositing isk in EBANK Ricdic char ?
No matter how this is dressed up, this is a EBANK ****up of 650b isk, which in the words of EBANK is at 25-30% of their assets.
T R U S T ... where is it ? |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:38:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Dranakolys
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Just a matter of time, obviously.
I'm sure, if it was possible to do straight away, it would have been done.
This is bull and you should know better. Just what is so complicated about the operations in EBank that you couldn't report a massive loss of at least 10% NAV in less than 2 months? IF PP didn't post about it, it would have been kept quiet and never reported. If that wasn't the case, it would already have happened.
The same goes for the second drama bomb, aka Ricdic. All signs point to the powers-that-be at EBank keeping this quiet indefinitely, as well.
Which leads me to the inevitable conclusion that the EBank BoD as an entity (not necessarily the individuals), are just as bankrupt as Ricdic is, when it comes to responsibility. Either incompetent or dishonest or both.
You have no idea of how complex a such operation is, when we start discussing RMT and real-life ties it has. It's not exactly a secret that RMT operations are strongly tied with illegal operations like credit card fraud and other things like that.
Hence, talking about the events prematurely would be bad.
Yeah, premature ... i hear that a lot. It was also premature to post a warning on MD forums instead of waiting 36hs for ppl to keep depositing isk in EBANK Ricdic char ?
We warned people less than 3 hours after we found out. |
Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:46:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 10/06/2009 17:46:27
Originally by: LaVista Vista
We warned people less than 3 hours after we found out.
I'm looking at MD forums right now, first thread was PP's, and that was 10hs before the one made by EBANK.
What warning ?
linky
PS: You are not EBANK. |
Dranakolys
Gallente
Theurgy
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:48:00 -
[126]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Dranakolys
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Just a matter of time, obviously.
I'm sure, if it was possible to do straight away, it would have been done.
This is bull and you should know better. Just what is so complicated about the operations in EBank that you couldn't report a massive loss of at least 10% NAV in less than 2 months? IF PP didn't post about it, it would have been kept quiet and never reported. If that wasn't the case, it would already have happened.
The same goes for the second drama bomb, aka Ricdic. All signs point to the powers-that-be at EBank keeping this quiet indefinitely, as well.
Which leads me to the inevitable conclusion that the EBank BoD as an entity (not necessarily the individuals), are just as bankrupt as Ricdic is, when it comes to responsibility. Either incompetent or dishonest or both.
You have no idea of how complex a such operation is, when we start discussing RMT and real-life ties it has. It's not exactly a secret that RMT operations are strongly tied with illegal operations like credit card fraud and other things like that.
Hence, talking about the events prematurely would be bad.
I am talking about the defaulted loan, not Ricdic's RMT activity, the discovery of which apparently is a recent development. You know, I mentioned the two month time period and everything, I thought this was clear.
If you hadn't tried to hide the first, then taking the proper time to sort things out for the second would have been a non-issue.
Now it looks like the only reason ANY of this is public, or ever would be public, is because of a whistle blower, PP. |
Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:49:00 -
[127]
Mazare, you're making some good points. But I think if you tone it down a bit, lower the aggression and try to engage in a bit of constructive dialogue you might get a few more people to listen. As it stands the only thing you're trying to do is ruin the reputation of an established entity by shouting at the top of your lungs outside their office doors.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:52:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Dranakolys
If you hadn't tried to hide the first, then taking the proper time to sort things out for the second would have been a non-issue.
EBANK had no requirement to disclose this, you're making it sound like they had to. They should have, sure; but they didn't have to. And this argument is slightly moot, whether today or two months ago makes no significant difference in all reality.
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Galal Dax
Young Enterprise
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:54:00 -
[129]
My withdrawal I posted above today was completed from Ebank - so I can confirm that I received my money out of it.
I wish them well.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:55:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Dranakolys
If you hadn't tried to hide the first, then taking the proper time to sort things out for the second would have been a non-issue.
EBANK had no requirement to disclose this, you're making it sound like they had to. They should have, sure; but they didn't have to. And this argument is slightly moot, whether today or two months ago makes no significant difference in all reality.
I have been trying to say this all along. |
Eleven Toes
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:56:00 -
[131]
I may have some info for some of you.
My alt is leaving my alliance of Imperial Defense Coalition because I am 99% sure it is part of this and I just can't fly with people I can't trust.
A little while back while in system with my CEO, he said he just got a very large loan for the alliance and so we have been popping up POSs everywhere. He then said something like "well it's not exactly a loan. wink wink". The thing is when he told me, he literraly just got the isk and was talking about the growth of the alliance and such. However; there were only 3 of us in system, he and I and ebank ridic.
I did not think much about it at the time, but seeing the spending and reading about all of this, I am convinced.
So long IDC and I hope it was worth it. |
Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:00:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Mazare, you're making some good points. But I think if you tone it down a bit, lower the aggression and try to engage in a bit of constructive dialogue you might get a few more people to listen. As it stands the only thing you're trying to do is ruin the reputation of an established entity by shouting at the top of your lungs outside their office doors.
Ray, i'm not after constructive criticism. Constructive criticism means dialogue, means negociation, means making lists and going point by point ... i don't have the time or the heart to do that.
I do not want to talk it out with EBANK, i want them to admit responsability, admit a total ****up, say what happened, and then get on with it.
I suspect what happened. Ricdic either charmed them or was an important cog of the system, ****ed up that 400b loan - or stole it, then either some RL stuff came up or he was about to get burned so he decided to split.
What i don't like is the way EBANK acted, the little warning they gave, the little care they showed to their investors, and how they tried to bury at least the initial ****up of 400b isk.
They were afraid ppl might make a run to the bank, but what they managed to do in the end was sink any credibility they had while buying no extra time what-so-ever - thanks to PP.
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Dranakolys
Gallente
Theurgy
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:03:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Dranakolys on 10/06/2009 18:04:29
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Dranakolys
If you hadn't tried to hide the first, then taking the proper time to sort things out for the second would have been a non-issue.
EBANK had no requirement to disclose this, you're making it sound like they had to. They should have, sure; but they didn't have to. And this argument is slightly moot, whether today or two months ago makes no significant difference in all reality.
No one has to do anything in EVE. They can run their organization anyway they wish.
I think this illustrates quite well why they should have though
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Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:04:00 -
[134]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Dranakolys
If you hadn't tried to hide the first, then taking the proper time to sort things out for the second would have been a non-issue.
EBANK had no requirement to disclose this, you're making it sound like they had to. They should have, sure; but they didn't have to. And this argument is slightly moot, whether today or two months ago makes no significant difference in all reality.
I have been trying to say this all along.
Sure nobody was forcing their arm to disclose it. But now it is disclosed, there is strong suspicion that it was a 'special' loan. it's their choice not to disclose it. It is also my choice and that of many others to continue to beat this dead horse untill it becomes horse-burgers so that they don't think they could get away with this in the future. All you have to do in the end is to make them lose lots of credibility for operations such as these, and thank CCP this is a free forum that allows one to do such a thing.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:07:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
I do not want to talk it out with EBANK, i want them to admit responsability, admit a total ****up, say what happened, and then get on with it.
That will never happen, no organisation or individual would do that. It is in their own interest to spin it as best they can. Have the strength to accept what you cannot change. Although some of what you ask has been done, to a far greater extent than I would have expected. By all rights they should not even be discussing Ricdic and face consequences for doing so.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:08:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
But now it is disclosed, there is strong suspicion that it was a 'special' loan.
It was a loan to a corporation in the KIA Alliance. They left soon after they defaulted.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:08:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Dranakolys
If you hadn't tried to hide the first, then taking the proper time to sort things out for the second would have been a non-issue.
EBANK had no requirement to disclose this, you're making it sound like they had to. They should have, sure; but they didn't have to. And this argument is slightly moot, whether today or two months ago makes no significant difference in all reality.
I have been trying to say this all along.
Sure nobody was forcing their arm to disclose it. But now it is disclosed, there is strong suspicion that it was a 'special' loan. it's their choice not to disclose it. It is also my choice and that of many others to continue to beat this dead horse untill it becomes horse-burgers so that they don't think they could get away with this in the future. All you have to do in the end is to make them lose lots of credibility for operations such as these, and thank CCP this is a free forum that allows one to do such a thing.
Well as Ray reminded me, there is no "class" when it comes to these things and lots and lots of mindless idiots that think they have everything figured out. Let's change the loan amount to 500b, i like the sound of it and we obviously don't have to use the real amount that has already been identified. |
Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:11:00 -
[138]
@ AC & Ray
some people just dont know anything about PR...
also.. all the alts can come out now and cry; we cried wolf...
i think ebank has done an ok job at handling this crisis.... could be better, but hell. i didnt see this one come, and im sure they didnt... |
Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:23:00 -
[139]
Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 10/06/2009 18:23:39
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
I do not want to talk it out with EBANK, i want them to admit responsability, admit a total ****up, say what happened, and then get on with it.
That will never happen, no organisation or individual would do that. It is in their own interest to spin it as best they can. Have the strength to accept what you cannot change. Although some of what you ask has been done, to a far greater extent than I would have expected. By all rights they should not even be discussing Ricdic and face consequences for doing so.
And just because it is common practice, i should accept it ?
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Sure nobody was forcing their arm to disclose it. But now it is disclosed, there is strong suspicion that it was a 'special' loan. it's their choice not to disclose it. It is also my choice and that of many others to continue to beat this dead horse untill it becomes horse-burgers so that they don't think they could get away with this in the future. All you have to do in the end is to make them lose lots of credibility for operations such as these, and thank CCP this is a free forum that allows one to do such a thing.
Well as Ray reminded me, there is no "class" when it comes to these things and lots and lots of mindless idiots that think they have everything figured out. Let's change the loan amount to 500b, i like the sound of it and we obviously don't have to use the real amount that has already been identified.
650b sounds even better, don't you think ?
Also, it makes for better PR not to time your responses with Ray's, or to use a more friendly language. Idiots like me feel insulted when they are called idiots for questioning the practices of the ppl they trust with their money after all.
Do you really view EBANK investors as idiots ? |
Marcus Baltar
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:26:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Marcus Baltar
Another thread where it is making me feel dirty...
First, just want to say that I have received the withdrawal request I made yesterday, before all this kicked off, for several billion. Thanks.
That said, I will be withdrawing (I hope) the rest until such time as EBANK make an official statement of what has, is and will be happening.
Confirming that I have received my withdrawal request in full. Everything worked as advertised, no problems. Thanks.
I hope that things will settle down a bit now. Let EBANK work on how to sort out what has happened, how it happened and how to prevent/limit the future chance of it happening again.
I also hope that they are looking at finding ways to verify peoples claims of lost deposits, and will let people know.
What I really want is for them to realise that they should announce important events as soon as possible (even if only on their own site), or events that they feel are not important but an investor might feel is important.
A default loan is par for the course, but a sizeable one should be mentioned (remember the BMBE/BPO default "scandal") and while it is very possible to swallow the loss quietly, and is a RL reality, this is Eve and it will make people wonder about what would have happened if the lower value Ricdic scam was not mentioned. Actually, I doubt any of the BoD would have kept quiet, but tin foil hats are so in fashion in Eve
Final word, then I am going to leave this alone; were there any plans to depose/replace Ricdic after this post/thread?; http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1012480/page/1#5. (Hindsight is marvellous, as is EveSearch).
I find this post poignant; "I must have missed the part where I said I have dealt in RMT? Care to find linkage? Please don't make things up, you make yourself look more stupid." |
Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:27:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 10/06/2009 18:23:39
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
I do not want to talk it out with EBANK, i want them to admit responsability, admit a total ****up, say what happened, and then get on with it.
That will never happen, no organisation or individual would do that. It is in their own interest to spin it as best they can. Have the strength to accept what you cannot change. Although some of what you ask has been done, to a far greater extent than I would have expected. By all rights they should not even be discussing Ricdic and face consequences for doing so.
And just because it is common practice, i should accept it ?
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Sure nobody was forcing their arm to disclose it. But now it is disclosed, there is strong suspicion that it was a 'special' loan. it's their choice not to disclose it. It is also my choice and that of many others to continue to beat this dead horse untill it becomes horse-burgers so that they don't think they could get away with this in the future. All you have to do in the end is to make them lose lots of credibility for operations such as these, and thank CCP this is a free forum that allows one to do such a thing.
Well as Ray reminded me, there is no "class" when it comes to these things and lots and lots of mindless idiots that think they have everything figured out. Let's change the loan amount to 500b, i like the sound of it and we obviously don't have to use the real amount that has already been identified.
650b sounds even better, don't you think ?
Also, it makes for better PR not to time your responses with Ray's, or to use a more friendly language. Idiots like me feel insulted when they are called idiots for questioning the practices of the ppl they trust with their money after all.
Do you really view EBANK investors as idiots ?
I think I am the only person they consider an idiot atm mate no worries there.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:28:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 10/06/2009 18:23:39
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
I do not want to talk it out with EBANK, i want them to admit responsability, admit a total ****up, say what happened, and then get on with it.
That will never happen, no organisation or individual would do that. It is in their own interest to spin it as best they can. Have the strength to accept what you cannot change. Although some of what you ask has been done, to a far greater extent than I would have expected. By all rights they should not even be discussing Ricdic and face consequences for doing so.
And just because it is common practice, i should accept it ?
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Sure nobody was forcing their arm to disclose it. But now it is disclosed, there is strong suspicion that it was a 'special' loan. it's their choice not to disclose it. It is also my choice and that of many others to continue to beat this dead horse untill it becomes horse-burgers so that they don't think they could get away with this in the future. All you have to do in the end is to make them lose lots of credibility for operations such as these, and thank CCP this is a free forum that allows one to do such a thing.
Well as Ray reminded me, there is no "class" when it comes to these things and lots and lots of mindless idiots that think they have everything figured out. Let's change the loan amount to 500b, i like the sound of it and we obviously don't have to use the real amount that has already been identified.
650b sounds even better, don't you think ?
Also, it makes for better PR not to time your responses with Ray's, or to use a more friendly language. Idiots like me feel insulted when they are called idiots for questioning the practices of the ppl they trust with their money after all.
Do you really view EBANK investors as idiots ?
At the moment my "idiot" category only has one name on it.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:28:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
And just because it is common practice, i should accept it ?
My President is a polygamist. It's common practise in my country. I don't accept it, but I don't go around shouting him down every chance I get because of it. That would just be crazy.
People may even brand me an idiot because of it.
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Sophia Truthspeaker
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:29:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Ji Sama
i didnt see this one come, and im sure they didnt...
Actually... to quote from General Discussion:
Originally by: Anubis Xian
Originally by: Kappas
Saw it coming the moment i heard about ebank
So did EBank, which is why he only got away with a pittance.
while Ebank probably didn't see it coming from Ricdic at the precise moment, in a manner of speaking Anubis is right...
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Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:32:00 -
[145]
Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 10/06/2009 18:34:27
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
And just because it is common practice, i should accept it ?
My President is a polygamist. It's common practise in my country. I don't accept it, but I don't go around shouting him down every chance I get because of it. That would just be crazy.
People may even brand me an idiot because of it.
Let's keep the RL references out of this thread; it may be a persistent universe, but it's still just a game. :)
PS: Whistle blowers are not idiots, considering the system in place in MD with old farts worshipped like gods; i think what PP did was pretty ballsy considering he also is active here. :)
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Adrimar
Hellfire-Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:33:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Adrimar on 10/06/2009 18:35:41
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
650b sounds even better, don't you think ?
Also, it makes for better PR not to time your responses with Ray's, or to use a more friendly language. Idiots like me feel insulted when they are called idiots for questioning the practices of the ppl they trust with their money after all.
Do you really view EBANK investors as idiots ?
No, they are a bank. You are a depositor, not an investor.
All you can expect is that they pay out the interest and, if you want your money, that as well.
Of course, it does give me some schadenfreude as I once argued with Ricdic about his loan "practices" and this gives me a nice chance to say "told you so."
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:34:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Let's keep the RL references out of this thread; it may be a persistent universe, but it's still just a game. :)
My President is a Gallentean. It's common practise in my region. I don't accept it, but I don't go around shouting him down every chance I get because of it. That would just be crazy.
People may even brand me an idiot because of it.
| Auction Prowler |
flakeys
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:37:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Dranakolys
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Just a matter of time, obviously.
I'm sure, if it was possible to do straight away, it would have been done.
This is bull and you should know better. Just what is so complicated about the operations in EBank that you couldn't report a massive loss of at least 10% NAV in less than 2 months? IF PP didn't post about it, it would have been kept quiet and never reported. If that wasn't the case, it would already have happened.
The same goes for the second drama bomb, aka Ricdic. All signs point to the powers-that-be at EBank keeping this quiet indefinitely, as well.
Which leads me to the inevitable conclusion that the EBank BoD as an entity (not necessarily the individuals), are just as bankrupt as Ricdic is, when it comes to responsibility. Either incompetent or dishonest or both.
Though harsh as these words may be they fully explain how i myself feel over this situation.Needless to say i retracted my isk out of Ebank.
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Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:38:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 10/06/2009 18:38:35
Originally by: Adrimar
Edited by: Adrimar on 10/06/2009 18:35:41
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
650b sounds even better, don't you think ?
Also, it makes for better PR not to time your responses with Ray's, or to use a more friendly language. Idiots like me feel insulted when they are called idiots for questioning the practices of the ppl they trust with their money after all.
Do you really view EBANK investors as idiots ?
No, they are a bank. You are a depositor, not an investor.
All you can expect is that they pay out the interest and, if you want your money, that as well.
Of course, it does give me some schadenfreude as I once argued with Ricdic about his loan "practices" and this gives me a nice chance to say "told you so."
Hey there, don't take me on baking technicalities - can't even properly spell banking, i am actually a chemist. I don't know what money is or how it's made, but i do understand trust, and i can see how EBANK's method of handling this has seriously killed their trusts.
My trust is shattered and i want answers !
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Sophia Truthspeaker
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:43:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
PS: Whistle blowers are not idiots, considering the system in place in MD with old farts worshipped like gods; i think what PP did was pretty ballsy considering he also is active here. :)
And while PP was in Ebank, his involvement also caused a big drama bomb. So he already knows both sides of the fence.
I imagine being a 'whistle blower' is thus doubly hard.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:44:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
... feel insulted when they are called idiots for questioning the practices of the ppl they trust with their money after all.
Do you really view EBANK investors as idiots ?
I believe you are wrong. EBANK has made it extremely clear that they are not a publicly traded institution. They are a private bank where customers deposit money in hopes to get re-paid when they withdraw. The have said repeatedly that they will not provide any internal audits, loan information, or any internal data. Anyone that deposits money in the bank is indirectly accepting these terms. They are not getting away with any wrong doing as their intentions have been clear from the get go. Your angry at them for not disclosing this information is not justify.
The only thing they are liable for are deposits made to EBANK Ricdic, which should be easily resolved by providing your API key to EBANK, or a third party.
PP, I hope you donÆt get mad at me for saying this, but in this case you over step the boundary. All information you learn while being a member of the board of directors regarding EBANKÆs operation should have remained undisclosed.
IÆm not trying to defend EBANK. I think EBANK has always have issues when it comes to accounting. I have never seen a proper audit done on the bank, and the last internal auditor quit before finishing the audit. That to me is a big red flag.
The only thing customers can do is ask the bank to provide reports or remove their ISK from EBANK. Trying to dirty their name because you donÆt agree with their policy is not the right thing to do.
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:47:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
... feel insulted when they are called idiots for questioning the practices of the ppl they trust with their money after all.
Do you really view EBANK investors as idiots ?
I believe you are wrong. EBANK has made it extremely clear that they are not a publicly traded institution. They are a private bank where customers deposit money in hopes to get re-paid when they withdraw. The have said repeatedly that they will not provide any internal audits, loan information, or any internal data. Anyone that deposits money in the bank is indirectly accepting these terms. They are not getting away with any wrong doing as their intentions have been clear from the get go. Your angry at them for not disclosing this information is not justify.
The only thing they are liable for are deposits made to EBANK Ricdic, which should be easily resolved by providing your API key to EBANK, or a third party.
PP, I hope you donÆt get mad at me for saying this, but in this case you over step the boundary. All information you learn while being a member of the board of directors regarding EBANKÆs operation should have remained undisclosed.
IÆm not trying to defend EBANK. I think EBANK has always have issues when it comes to accounting. I have never seen a proper audit done on the bank, and the last internal auditor quit before finishing the audit. That to me is a big red flag.
The only thing customers can do is ask the bank to provide reports or remove their ISK from EBANK. Trying to dirty their name because you donÆt agree with their policy is not the right thing to do.
The loan issue was not when i was a BOD. I found out through other means, then put a few things together. Same as the scam.
And again my issue is the reporting time. If they let MD know asap about the scam and to stop depositing isk I would have never been involved in the first place. I should have not had to be the one to post on this matter first, not when EBANK knew well well before I did.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:50:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Proton Power
If they let MD know asap about the scam and to stop depositing isk I would have never been involved in the first place.
I'm sure they all accept and realise this now - covering it up poorly with a database problem was a mistake. CCP suffered the same issue when closing down ISD and claiming other reasons.
| Auction Prowler |
Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:52:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Proton Power
If they let MD know asap about the scam and to stop depositing isk I would have never been involved in the first place.
I'm sure they all accept and realise this now - covering it up poorly with a database problem was a mistake. CCP suffered the same issue when closing down ISD and claiming other reasons.
Thats the issue Ray, talking with them on MSN and such they still don't think they did anything wrong, that everyone else is in the wrong. Atleast that is my take on it.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:53:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Proton Power
.. If they let MD know asap about the scam and to stop depositing isk I would have never been involved in the first place. I should have not had to be the one to post on this matter first, not when EBANK knew well well before I did.
Yes, I agree with you, and I believe EBANK is liable for the deposits. However, their reporting policy is another issue. You know very well that I believe is the manager's choice to decide what should be reported.
We may disagree with EBANK's policy, but it has been like that from the beginning
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:53:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
I'm sure they all accept and realise this now - covering it up poorly with a database problem was a mistake.
We had database issues, due to the fact that the character got banned.
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Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:53:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
... feel insulted when they are called idiots for questioning the practices of the ppl they trust with their money after all.
Do you really view EBANK investors as idiots ?
I believe you are wrong. EBANK has made it extremely clear that they are not a publicly traded institution. They are a private bank where customers deposit money in hopes to get re-paid when they withdraw. The have said repeatedly that they will not provide any internal audits, loan information, or any internal data. Anyone that deposits money in the bank is indirectly accepting these terms. They are not getting away with any wrong doing as their intentions have been clear from the get go. Your angry at them for not disclosing this information is not justify.
The only thing they are liable for are deposits made to EBANK Ricdic, which should be easily resolved by providing your API key to EBANK, or a third party.
PP, I hope you donÆt get mad at me for saying this, but in this case you over step the boundary. All information you learn while being a member of the board of directors regarding EBANKÆs operation should have remained undisclosed.
IÆm not trying to defend EBANK. I think EBANK has always have issues when it comes to accounting. I have never seen a proper audit done on the bank, and the last internal auditor quit before finishing the audit. That to me is a big red flag.
The only thing customers can do is ask the bank to provide reports or remove their ISK from EBANK. Trying to dirty their name because you donÆt agree with their policy is not the right thing to do.
You don't understand my points. I am not an unhappy investor. I am someone who demands some answers. The first one has a vested interest in stirring up **** untill he gets his isk back. The 2nd has a vested interest in stirring up **** untill some answers are given, and commitment is promised to improve the present structure. :)
While i have to agree that because of the way EBANK is structured, the damage was limited, i am not happy about how EBANK handled this.
PS: The right thing to do ?
Dreamworld 101.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:54:00 -
[158]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ray McCormack
I'm sure they all accept and realise this now - covering it up poorly with a database problem was a mistake.
We had database issues, due to the fact that the character got banned.
LV, that's not a database issue. If you worked for me and said that I would kick you in the balls.
| Auction Prowler |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:56:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ray McCormack
I'm sure they all accept and realise this now - covering it up poorly with a database problem was a mistake.
We had database issues, due to the fact that the character got banned.
LV, that's not a database issue. If you worked for me and said that I would kick you in the balls.
That's because you are a technical issue.
Do you know how I explain issues of a technical nature to people on internet forums?
The same way I explain it to my mother.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:57:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ray McCormack
I'm sure they all accept and realise this now - covering it up poorly with a database problem was a mistake.
We had database issues, due to the fact that the character got banned.
LV, that's not a database issue. If you worked for me and said that I would kick you in the balls.
As I said Ray they still didnt learn from this. |
Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:00:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Proton Power
As I said Ray they still didnt learn from this.
Okay, PP, I get it. Let's wait and see what comes of it. Give it a week this time, not twelve hours.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:03:00 -
[162]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
EDIT: It was actually how I explained it to her. And she seemed to understand it just fine.
Yes, because she doesn't know that you're bull****ting. I do, as do most other people that aren't your mother. I was offended by CCP when they offered a lie for their actions, some will be equally offended by yours.
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:03:00 -
[163]
ah good to see PP is still active
<3 |
Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:05:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
ah good to see PP is still active
<3
Long Long time no see mate :) |
Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:06:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Proton Power
As I said Ray they still didnt learn from this.
Okay, PP, I get it. Let's wait and see what comes of it. Give it a week this time, not twelve hours.
Tbh Ray, from the way i worded my posts it could be seen as i am someone who likes to fling poo just for lols.
1,3,5,7 d, normal days or working days ... it doesn't matter, as long as some answers are given and real post is made by EBANK explaining everything in detail.
What i am so uptight about is the way they treated their customers. No MD thread started with a warning, and the database error was just lol. What's the use of putting 'don't send isk to EBANK Ricdic' in a MOTD that only 10-20 ppl read ?
A freeze on deposits in the form of a thread on MD would not have been a bad ideea and it would have shown some consideration towards the investors.
Anyway ... we will see what will be done.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:08:00 -
[166]
Quote:
No MD thread started with a warning, and the database error was just lol. What's the use of putting 'don't send isk to EBANK Ricdic' in a MOTD that only 10-20 ppl read ?
You don't realize that we also put it on our frontpage, as well as in the MOTD in the SCC lounge.
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Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:22:00 -
[167]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Quote:
No MD thread started with a warning, and the database error was just lol. What's the use of putting 'don't send isk to EBANK Ricdic' in a MOTD that only 10-20 ppl read ?
You don't realize that we also put it on our frontpage, as well as in the MOTD in the SCC lounge.
Pretty sure more ppl check MD than your site and the SCC lounge. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:23:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Quote:
No MD thread started with a warning, and the database error was just lol. What's the use of putting 'don't send isk to EBANK Ricdic' in a MOTD that only 10-20 ppl read ?
You don't realize that we also put it on our frontpage, as well as in the MOTD in the SCC lounge.
Pretty sure more ppl check MD than your site and the SCC lounge.
Majority of our customers don't read the forums. |
Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:30:00 -
[169]
You shouldn't be arguing against maximum exposure, LV, it should have been the goal from the start.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:30:00 -
[170]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Quote:
No MD thread started with a warning, and the database error was just lol. What's the use of putting 'don't send isk to EBANK Ricdic' in a MOTD that only 10-20 ppl read ?
You don't realize that we also put it on our frontpage, as well as in the MOTD in the SCC lounge.
Pretty sure more ppl check MD than your site and the SCC lounge.
Majority of our customers don't read the forums.
Can you let me know were this fact is coming from? I know when I was in EBANK this was not the case, but I would like to see stats since your stating they are not from the MD community.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:32:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Proton Power
Can you let me know were this fact is coming from? I know when I was in EBANK this was not the case, but I would like to see stats since your stating they are not from the MD community.
Can you prove it?
I can only speak from the experience I have from talking with EBANK customers. And I have talked to a lot of them, the last 2 years.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:35:00 -
[172]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Proton Power
Can you let me know were this fact is coming from? I know when I was in EBANK this was not the case, but I would like to see stats since your stating they are not from the MD community.
Can you prove it?
I can only speak from the experience I have from talking with EBANK customers. And I have talked to a lot of them, the last 2 years.
No I can't but I am not saying all your customers come from a source or not a source. EBANK should have used all means possible to let people know. You didn't that I can prove. I even told you to do so, and instead I was told know your waiting for ISD to report it for you.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:38:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Proton Power
Can you let me know were this fact is coming from? I know when I was in EBANK this was not the case, but I would like to see stats since your stating they are not from the MD community.
Can you prove it?
I can only speak from the experience I have from talking with EBANK customers. And I have talked to a lot of them, the last 2 years.
No I can't but I am not saying all your customers come from a source or not a source. EBANK should have used all means possible to let people know. You didn't that I can prove. I even told you to do so, and instead I was told know your waiting for ISD to report it for you.
Let me list the ways we've contacted customers:
- an ISD report that every player sees logging in today with a link to our thread
- mass emails to customers with emails on file for the main website
- mass emails to customers/participants with emails on file for our forums
- massively.com has posted an article on it
- market discussion forums
- messages on our IG channel and our website which instruct people not to deposit
Did I miss anything?
EBANK - Chairman of the Board | www.eve-bank.net
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:38:00 -
[174]
Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 10/06/2009 19:39:00
Originally by: Proton Power
No I can't but I am not saying all your customers come from a source or not a source. EBANK should have used all means possible to let people know. You didn't that I can prove. I even told you to do so, and instead I was told know your waiting for ISD to report it for you.
The only real thing I agree with you on PP is why ISD was involved in the first place. To me that makes no sense, though it was what brought my attention to EBANK last night instead of going to say, relax and read a book. Psh, ISD, way to ruin my evening.
Edit Post Hexxx-ninja: Okay so that makes sense. =D
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:40:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Proton Power
Can you let me know were this fact is coming from? I know when I was in EBANK this was not the case, but I would like to see stats since your stating they are not from the MD community.
Can you prove it?
I can only speak from the experience I have from talking with EBANK customers. And I have talked to a lot of them, the last 2 years.
No I can't but I am not saying all your customers come from a source or not a source. EBANK should have used all means possible to let people know. You didn't that I can prove. I even told you to do so, and instead I was told know your waiting for ISD to report it for you.
Let me list the ways we've contacted customers:
- an ISD report that every player sees logging in today with a link to our thread
- mass emails to customers with emails on file for the main website
- mass emails to customers/participants with emails on file for our forums
- massively.com has posted an article on it
- market discussion forums
- messages on our IG channel and our website which instruct people not to deposit
Did I miss anything?
Here, watch me read PP's mind. I will quote him in the future.
Originally by: Proton Power
But you should have done it sooner.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:40:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Proton Power
Can you let me know were this fact is coming from? I know when I was in EBANK this was not the case, but I would like to see stats since your stating they are not from the MD community.
Can you prove it?
I can only speak from the experience I have from talking with EBANK customers. And I have talked to a lot of them, the last 2 years.
No I can't but I am not saying all your customers come from a source or not a source. EBANK should have used all means possible to let people know. You didn't that I can prove. I even told you to do so, and instead I was told know your waiting for ISD to report it for you.
Let me list the ways we've contacted customers:
- an ISD report that every player sees logging in today with a link to our thread
- mass emails to customers with emails on file for the main website
- mass emails to customers/participants with emails on file for our forums
- massively.com has posted an article on it
- market discussion forums
- messages on our IG channel and our website which instruct people not to deposit
Did I miss anything?
It was to late then Hexxx, you didnt do most of that until I made it public. All I wanted was a post here stating to not deposti isk to ricdic, you guys refused to do so.
Now that I brought it to light you guys are working overtime on the notificaiton, which is great, but it should not have taken 30hrs to start.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:46:00 -
[177]
Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 10/06/2009 19:46:37
Originally by: Proton Power
Now that I brought it to light you guys are working overtime on the notificaiton, which is great, but it should not have taken 30hrs to start.
Pardoning the forums, most of what has been listed happened within hours from what I could tell, much less than 30, pardoning a forum post. If that's all you have to justify yourself with, you really should just stop.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:49:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Proton Power
Now that I brought it to light you guys are working overtime on the notificaiton, which is great, but it should not have taken 30hrs to start.
30 hours?
From that we knew it was a scam, you posted 11 hours later.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:50:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 10/06/2009 19:46:37
Originally by: Proton Power
Now that I brought it to light you guys are working overtime on the notificaiton, which is great, but it should not have taken 30hrs to start.
Pardoning the forums, most of what has been listed happened within hours from what I could tell, much less than 30, pardoning a forum post. If that's all you have to justify yourself with, you really should just stop.
Edit: damn typos.
It happend the night before yesterday my time, that is now about 36ish hours ago. Don't believe me the ingame EBANK channel was changed the morning after DT Yesterday, ask any of the regulars. I also have it on MSN that 2 people in EBANK new about it 23hrs prior to me talking to them.
Nothing was put out other than data base errors for the first 24hrs, I then made a post, then 7ish hours later more posts were made and emails sent. |
Calcuttan Creampie
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:54:00 -
[180]
lol @ ricdic selling isk for RL money.
and if he spends any of it on his supposedly sick child, it would be of great karmic elegance if the child's time would be stolen much like people's isks were.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:55:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Calcuttan Creampie
lol @ ricdic selling isk for RL money.
and if he spends any of it on his supposedly sick child, it would be of great karmic elegance if the child's time would be stolen much like people's isks were.
I think you need to take a step back and realise you're comparing the life of an innocent babe to justice in a fictional world of internet spaceships. Shame on you, sir.
| Auction Prowler |
Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:03:00 -
[182]
Originally by: corestwo
Originally by: Hexxx
Did I miss anything?
Here, watch me read PP's mind. I will quote him in the future.
Originally by: Proton Power
But you should have done it sooner.
Bingo. Fact is PP's thread preceded Hexxx's by 10hs and when it was finally posted, Hexxx's came almost 36hs after. If MD has such an umimportant supply of investors, i am sure something could be done earlier without causing a run for the bank.
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flakeys
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:08:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Calcuttan Creampie
lol @ ricdic selling isk for RL money.
and if he spends any of it on his supposedly sick child, it would be of great karmic elegance if the child's time would be stolen much like people's isks were.
I hope you are just to dumd/ignorant to realise what you just wrote here , because if you are neither then i pity your twisted mind.
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Marcus Baltar
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:10:00 -
[184]
The current EBANK website reads;
6/6/2009 - LaVista Vista
Dear customers,
We are currently experiencing some technical problems.
Therefor, we ask that people do not deposit any ISK, until we have have solved the problem.
We also urge customers not to deposit ISK to any other character, until we advise so on our website.
Best Regards
LaVista Vista
Date is Saturday.
Well done for mentioning to not send deposits then, but it should have been posted everywhere else too. I guess some people would have sent ISK through habit and you would never catch them.
Okay, you probably did not know it was a scam then, but looks like everybody, PP included, left it too late to even raise concerns on MD.
DBANK went through this with Xabier, now it is DBANK's turn with Ricdic. The historical cycles in Eve are pretty short, and easily forgotten.  |
Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:13:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Marcus Baltar
The current EBANK website reads;
6/6/2009 - LaVista Vista
Dear customers,
We are currently experiencing some technical problems.
Therefor, we ask that people do not deposit any ISK, until we have have solved the problem.
We also urge customers not to deposit ISK to any other character, until we advise so on our website.
Best Regards
LaVista Vista
Date is Saturday.
Well done for mentioning to not send deposits then, but it should have been posted everywhere else too. I guess some people would have sent ISK through habit and you would never catch them.
Okay, you probably did not know it was a scam then, but looks like everybody, PP included, left it too late to even raise concerns on MD.
DBANK went through this with Xabier, now it is DBANK's turn with Ricdic. The historical cycles in Eve are pretty short, and easily forgotten.
And this is why there should be a great deal of noise made, so that history doesn't go down quietly. :) |
SentryRaven
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:13:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Marcus Baltar
The current EBANK website reads;
6/6/2009 - LaVista Vista
Dear customers,
We are currently experiencing some technical problems.
Therefor, we ask that people do not deposit any ISK, until we have have solved the problem.
We also urge customers not to deposit ISK to any other character, until we advise so on our website.
Best Regards
LaVista Vista
Date is Saturday.
Well done for mentioning to not send deposits then, but it should have been posted everywhere else too. I guess some people would have sent ISK through habit and you would never catch them.
Okay, you probably did not know it was a scam then, but looks like everybody, PP included, left it too late to even raise concerns on MD.
DBANK went through this with Xabier, now it is DBANK's turn with Ricdic. The historical cycles in Eve are pretty short, and easily forgotten.
At the point the announcement was made we were still in good hope to have the EBANK Ricdic character transferred to us, as Ricdic was cooperative. However, in the meantime he was grounded by CONCORD and so we could not get ahold of the character anymore, especially not with PP posting on the forums about everything. This basically limited our options severely. |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:16:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Originally by: Marcus Baltar
The current EBANK website reads;
6/6/2009 - LaVista Vista
Dear customers,
We are currently experiencing some technical problems.
Therefor, we ask that people do not deposit any ISK, until we have have solved the problem.
We also urge customers not to deposit ISK to any other character, until we advise so on our website.
Best Regards
LaVista Vista
Date is Saturday.
Well done for mentioning to not send deposits then, but it should have been posted everywhere else too. I guess some people would have sent ISK through habit and you would never catch them.
Okay, you probably did not know it was a scam then, but looks like everybody, PP included, left it too late to even raise concerns on MD.
DBANK went through this with Xabier, now it is DBANK's turn with Ricdic. The historical cycles in Eve are pretty short, and easily forgotten.
And this is why there should be a great deal of noise made, so that history doesn't go down quietly. :)
They forgot to update the date. That was posted today.
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
Calcuttan Creampie
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:20:00 -
[188]
i do not wish for anything bad to happen i am just pointing out the possible interpretation of a certain scenario. like if someone who invented a ak47 is shot and killed by it it would be of karmic elegance to people who think that his contribution is responsible for millions of murders.
and people put in real time to make the imaginery money.
i can see how you would perceive my comment as a rather unsavoury one but it was not my intention to wish ill. i prob should have put it better.
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Mroe Bree
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:22:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Hexxx
Did I miss anything?
Well, you could have picked up the phonebook and notified everyone in your city personally. Until "Hello, Zaphod Z. Zyzaxx? Yeah, Ricdic was a douche." came out of your mouth you can hardly claim to have done everything possible.
I'm sure other posters in this thread can come up with other eminently reasonable demands that ebank staff should be glad to implement.
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Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:22:00 -
[190]
Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 10/06/2009 20:24:35
Originally by: SentryRaven
Originally by: Marcus Baltar
The current EBANK website reads;
6/6/2009 - LaVista Vista
Dear customers,
We are currently experiencing some technical problems.
Therefor, we ask that people do not deposit any ISK, until we have have solved the problem.
We also urge customers not to deposit ISK to any other character, until we advise so on our website.
Best Regards
LaVista Vista
Date is Saturday.
Well done for mentioning to not send deposits then, but it should have been posted everywhere else too. I guess some people would have sent ISK through habit and you would never catch them.
Okay, you probably did not know it was a scam then, but looks like everybody, PP included, left it too late to even raise concerns on MD.
DBANK went through this with Xabier, now it is DBANK's turn with Ricdic. The historical cycles in Eve are pretty short, and easily forgotten.
At the point the announcement was made we were still in good hope to have the EBANK Ricdic character transferred to us, as Ricdic was cooperative. However, in the meantime he was grounded by CONCORD and so we could not get ahold of the character anymore, especially not with PP posting on the forums about everything. This basically limited our options severely.
So ... your saying PP's whistle-blowing is the reason that Ricdic got banned, not the RMT thingie ?
Well, it's nice to see that EBANK's defense here is that RMT is not bad but whistle-blowing about RMT is bad.
Originally by: Mroe Bree
Originally by: Hexxx
Did I miss anything?
Well, you could have picked up the phonebook and notified everyone in your city personally. Until "Hello, Zaphod Z. Zyzaxx? Yeah, Ricdic was a douche." came out of your mouth you can hardly claim to have done everything possible.
I'm sure other posters in this thread can come up with other eminently reasonable demands that ebank staff should be glad to implement.
Why hello there, EBANK depositer.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:23:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Originally by: Marcus Baltar
The current EBANK website reads;
6/6/2009 - LaVista Vista
Dear customers,
We are currently experiencing some technical problems.
Therefor, we ask that people do not deposit any ISK, until we have have solved the problem.
We also urge customers not to deposit ISK to any other character, until we advise so on our website.
Best Regards
LaVista Vista
Date is Saturday.
Well done for mentioning to not send deposits then, but it should have been posted everywhere else too. I guess some people would have sent ISK through habit and you would never catch them.
Okay, you probably did not know it was a scam then, but looks like everybody, PP included, left it too late to even raise concerns on MD.
DBANK went through this with Xabier, now it is DBANK's turn with Ricdic. The historical cycles in Eve are pretty short, and easily forgotten.
And this is why there should be a great deal of noise made, so that history doesn't go down quietly. :)
They forgot to update the date. That was posted today.
Actually, that was posted yesterday on the 9th.
Mistake on my part, it would seem
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:28:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Proton Power
*2mths ago give or take - EBANK lost a non secure loan of about 400bil Isk (Tehy forgot to mention it)
Assumtption - Ric then started taking isk and doing illegal activities based on ebank was screwed
*30ish Hours ago Ric has been banned, hence the do not send more isk
Another obvious assumption (for a complete outsider like me) would be that the big unsecured loan was actually part of Ricdics' illegal activities/RMT. Does anyone actually know that the recipiant of the loan wasn't a Ricdic alt or accomplice?
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Dragon Greg
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:28:00 -
[193]
Originally by: SentryRaven
At the point the announcement was made we were still in good hope to have the EBANK Ricdic character transferred to us, as Ricdic was cooperative. However, in the meantime he was grounded by CONCORD and so we could not get ahold of the character anymore, especially not with PP posting on the forums about everything. This basically limited our options severely.
That would have been pointless. CCP always cleans up where bans are concerned, and that includes last minute character transfers.
There's been ample cases similar to this in character sales over the years.
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Dzil
Caldari
Waffles Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:34:00 -
[194]
So - any possible connection between this operation and the sudden rise in PLEX pricing? |
Ein Spiegel
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:57:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Mroe Bree
Originally by: Hexxx
Did I miss anything?
Well, you could have picked up the phonebook and notified everyone in your city personally. Until "Hello, Zaphod Z. Zyzaxx? Yeah, Ricdic was a douche." came out of your mouth you can hardly claim to have done everything possible.
I'm sure other posters in this thread can come up with other eminently reasonable demands that ebank staff should be glad to implement.
Here's a thought... all EBANK account holders are created accounts that are keyed with their character name. A listing of account names should be incredibly simple to generate (I could possibly hack together a basic SQL statement if I knew the table names) and then parse out to all EBANK employees for cookie-cutter cut and past eve-mail messages. Even those that assume the eve-mail is a scam may be prodded to check the EBANK website, at which point they would see the official notification. Which still bears little resemblance to reality, being:
"6/9/2009 - LaVista Vista
Dear customers,
We are currently experiencing some technical problems.
Therefor, we ask that people do not deposit any ISK, until we have have solved the problem.
We also urge customers not to deposit ISK to any other character, until we advise so on our website.
Best Regards
LaVista Vista"
Also, updating their corp description in-game to say "No deposits currently being accepted" rather than directing people to deposit with Ricdic, wait an hour, and log into the website might have taken what, 3 minutes?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.10 21:15:00 -
[196]
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1012480/page/1#5
Shar:
Quote:
PS: Perhaps not your wisest statement. I can only suspect that Ricdic, his accounts, and eBank might now be under sudden critical review for RMT-like activities.
Prophetic?
A new light shed on someone who afterwards made actions follow his words?
Quote:
So - any possible connection between this operation and the sudden rise in PLEX pricing?
Regardless of PLEX, there are rumors of "underground operations" in EvE that make Ricdic look like a rookie.
Just check the thread about the network of bots.
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Nuzzy Futs
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.06.10 21:32:00 -
[197]
Originally by: SentryRaven
At the point the announcement was made we were still in good hope to have the EBANK Ricdic character transferred to us, as Ricdic was cooperative. However, in the meantime he was grounded by CONCORD and so we could not get ahold of the character anymore, especially not with PP posting on the forums about everything. This basically limited our options severely.
And whom at CCP were willing to go against their rules of banning the account and allowing it's transfer?
I thought the internal security department was created to stop special treatment beyond the rules for people by CCP staff.
Your argument against PP airing the garbage is that CCP were willing to bend the rules for you until the facts started coming out on the forums? Fail covered with weaksauce.
Awww Nuts. |
hermot
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.10 21:39:00 -
[198]
I thought the global economic crisis started last year?
Either way anything to do with iceland (ccp included, and therefore eve online) and banks was starting on thin ice anyway, we all know their track record |
Dragon Greg
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Posted - 2009.06.10 21:42:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Just check the thread about the network of bots.
What thread?
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Dzil
Caldari
Waffles Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.06.10 21:45:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Dragon Greg
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Just check the thread about the network of bots.
What thread?
Heh.
Someone forgot the John Doe rule. |
Mystafyre
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.10 22:31:00 -
[201]
Interesting... Really interesting...
First BoB, now EBank... What is the third for this year?
However, 2 trillion ISK, what would a trader do with that amount of ISK in eve?
I think that the whole story about unsecured loan is total BS. Such high unsecured loan, come on
If you haven't taken your ISK from EBank, take it out now before the last bits are gone... |
Drab Cane
Mining Emporium inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.10 22:56:00 -
[202]
It'll be interesting to see how much EBank shrinks, especially due to customer loss. EBank has had a 'take it or leave it' attitude with their customer base for a long time, as if they were really hoping that no new customers would show up, and that a few customers would leave. Now its starting to happen, and Hexx sounds relieved.
Perhaps EBank will come out of this stronger - it often takes a crisis to get long delayed necessary things done (like accurate record-keeping, for example).
BTW, I have a nominal amount deposited in EBank and DBank accounts, and those ISK will stay where they are. |
Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.10 23:06:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Drab Cane
It'll be interesting to see how much EBank shrinks, especially due to customer loss. EBank has had a 'take it or leave it' attitude with their customer base for a long time, as if they were really hoping that no new customers would show up, and that a few customers would leave. Now its starting to happen, and Hexx sounds relieved.
Perhaps EBank will come out of this stronger - it often takes a crisis to get long delayed necessary things done (like accurate record-keeping, for example).
BTW, I have a nominal amount deposited in EBank and DBank accounts, and those ISK will stay where they are.
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Drab Cane
Mining Emporium inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 06:23:00 -
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Not mean, Hexx
EBank has seemed indifferent, even reluctant towards adding new depositors.
I've had the impression before that EBank was pushing the limits on what its staff could handle operation-wise. Your comments recently about shrinking the bank makes that impression feel all the more reasonable.
EBank has grown tremendously, a real success story. I have no doubt that it will continue to be a success.
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irion felpamy
Minmatar
HellJumpers Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.11 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Calcuttan Creampie
lol @ ricdic selling isk for RL money.
and if he spends any of it on his supposedly sick child, it would be of great karmic elegance if the child's time would be stolen much like people's isks were.
I think you need to take a step back and realise you're comparing the life of an innocent babe to justice in a fictional world of internet spaceships. Shame on you, sir.
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Hazlock
Amarr
Tolerance Training Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.11 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Drab Cane
Not mean, Hexx
EBank has seemed indifferent, even reluctant towards adding new depositors.
I've had the impression before that EBank was pushing the limits on what its staff could handle operation-wise. Your comments recently about shrinking the bank makes that impression feel all the more reasonable.
EBank has grown tremendously, a real success story. I have no doubt that it will continue to be a success.
If you check their forums I believe there is a post by Hexx himself calling for someone to create a 3rd bank in Eve primarily so that Eve Bank could shrink somewhat or at least maintain a more manageable level.
Ultimately this will be a good thing for E-Bank in terms of future managebility, just a shame that this was the catalyst that made it happen (though arguably having Ricdic out of the way will be a relief whether he had stolen ISK or not).
I have faith that E-Bank will flourish again as soon as the forum trolls get bored.
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2009.06.11 10:29:00 -
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I too, have a sick child. I'll sell my ISK and get the greater EVE community to condone my actions.
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