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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2004.09.15 15:15:00 -
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So i got a shiny new raptor... also got a crow btw, which we all know is uber  but can the raptor be any good ?
ive stuck named St launcher and 2 proto gauss 125mm rails in the high slots.... its the best i could think of.... im hoping to have it as a sniper ceptor... sitting off the 10km range and taking potshots at the other guy.
What are ur thoughts on this... should i just relegate the raptor to doing the shopping in empire or is there any way of making this baby shine  Its such a good looking ship 
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2004.09.15 15:15:00 -
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So i got a shiny new raptor... also got a crow btw, which we all know is uber but can the raptor be any good ?
ive stuck named St launcher and 2 proto gauss 125mm rails in the high slots.... its the best i could think of.... im hoping to have it as a sniper ceptor... sitting off the 10km range and taking potshots at the other guy.
What are ur thoughts on this... should i just relegate the raptor to doing the shopping in empire or is there any way of making this baby shine Its such a good looking ship
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Grut
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Posted - 2004.09.15 15:20:00 -
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Its fine vs standard friggies but vs other inties it lacks.
Fit it with rails and go long range and its a poor version of a crusader.
Fit it with Blasters to get the poor damage up and its a poor version of a taranis.
Fit it with missiles and its a very poor version of a crow..
Bit of a jack of all trades master of none.... desperatly needs somemore grid and an extra turret slot.
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Grut
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Posted - 2004.09.15 15:20:00 -
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Its fine vs standard friggies but vs other inties it lacks.
Fit it with rails and go long range and its a poor version of a crusader.
Fit it with Blasters to get the poor damage up and its a poor version of a taranis.
Fit it with missiles and its a very poor version of a crow..
Bit of a jack of all trades master of none.... desperatly needs somemore grid and an extra turret slot.
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2004.09.15 16:59:00 -
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as you know nez i use my raptor as an empire shopper, and my crow for the fun world of actully shooting at things....
why would you bother trying to use the raptor anyways nezly, since i know for a fact that you can aslo fly a crusader, so use that for your long range and keep the raptor for flying around empire ;)
btw your shinny new crusader should be ready some time today (today for me... not sure if it will be today for you...)
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2004.09.15 16:59:00 -
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as you know nez i use my raptor as an empire shopper, and my crow for the fun world of actully shooting at things....
why would you bother trying to use the raptor anyways nezly, since i know for a fact that you can aslo fly a crusader, so use that for your long range and keep the raptor for flying around empire ;)
btw your shinny new crusader should be ready some time today (today for me... not sure if it will be today for you...)
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Sardau Kar
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Posted - 2004.09.15 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Sardau Kar on 15/09/2004 18:19:27
I love my crow,and I thought about getting a raptor just for fun,although I got the feeling it will just be collecting dust in an hangar.Never drove one,but every post I saw about them is clearly disapointing and demoralizing.Just look at its stats,theres nothing ¦¦useful`` that raptor beats a crow.Pity because it looks OK,but besides a really expensive empire shopper as some people stated in this post,I dont see a why get one over any other interceptor(if you can drive a raptor you can drive a crow..).
I can use a rifter that is very fast and is x300000 times cheaper.. 
*Edited for lame spelling
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Sardau Kar
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Posted - 2004.09.15 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Sardau Kar on 15/09/2004 18:19:27
I love my crow,and I thought about getting a raptor just for fun,although I got the feeling it will just be collecting dust in an hangar.Never drove one,but every post I saw about them is clearly disapointing and demoralizing.Just look at its stats,theres nothing ¦¦useful`` that raptor beats a crow.Pity because it looks OK,but besides a really expensive empire shopper as some people stated in this post,I dont see a why get one over any other interceptor(if you can drive a raptor you can drive a crow..).
I can use a rifter that is very fast and is x300000 times cheaper..
*Edited for lame spelling
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Dellant
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Posted - 2004.09.16 01:54:00 -
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I ran missions in a raptor for a long time using modal neutrons and a nosferatu. 3 damage mods, shield booster2, and mid slot rechargers i think. Very powerful VS serpentis rats. I believe i switched to a micro auxiliary powercore for one of the damage mods, and fitted a small battery 2 because it lets you run your shield booster for quite a while longer on auto.
PS: since ive replaced my rator with a taranis, it is up for sale if someone cares to make me an offer through evemail.
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Dellant
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Posted - 2004.09.16 01:54:00 -
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I ran missions in a raptor for a long time using modal neutrons and a nosferatu. 3 damage mods, shield booster2, and mid slot rechargers i think. Very powerful VS serpentis rats. I believe i switched to a micro auxiliary powercore for one of the damage mods, and fitted a small battery 2 because it lets you run your shield booster for quite a while longer on auto.
PS: since ive replaced my rator with a taranis, it is up for sale if someone cares to make me an offer through evemail.
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IRONCLAD
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Posted - 2004.09.16 05:28:00 -
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I think its best for electronic warfare support for scorp
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IRONCLAD
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Posted - 2004.09.16 05:28:00 -
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I think its best for electronic warfare support for scorp
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PuttPutt
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Posted - 2004.09.16 06:55:00 -
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use it for support and tackling.
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PuttPutt
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Posted - 2004.09.16 06:55:00 -
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use it for support and tackling.
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2004.09.16 09:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Grut
Fit it with rails and go long range and its a poor version of a crusader.
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2004.09.16 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Grut
Fit it with rails and go long range and its a poor version of a crusader.
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2004.09.16 10:19:00 -
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My raptor is still loaded with 2 cruise missiles :) Nuff said :)
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2004.09.16 10:19:00 -
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My raptor is still loaded with 2 cruise missiles :) Nuff said :)
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.09.16 10:32:00 -
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I'd say that the raptor is probably the worst interceptor simply due to the fact that there's nothing you can do better in it than with it big bro' the crow. The malediction, stiletto and ares all have uses that make them a viable alternative over the 'tier 2' inties (mostly ew), I don't see that with the raptor.
Why buy a raptor if you can fly a crow ?
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.09.16 10:32:00 -
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I'd say that the raptor is probably the worst interceptor simply due to the fact that there's nothing you can do better in it than with it big bro' the crow. The malediction, stiletto and ares all have uses that make them a viable alternative over the 'tier 2' inties (mostly ew), I don't see that with the raptor.
Why buy a raptor if you can fly a crow ?
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Weakame
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Posted - 2004.09.16 11:10:00 -
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the raptor can be a crow killer :)
If you can fitt it for long range (150mm or 125mm named) you can hit at 10km. Fitt 2x 150mm, and 1x rocket launcher with defenders. Or just use small range rails (75mm one) and fitt the defender, but be careful with your rocket launcher to be not out of ammo.
If you use it vs other ceptors, you die ^^
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Weakame
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Posted - 2004.09.16 11:10:00 -
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the raptor can be a crow killer :)
If you can fitt it for long range (150mm or 125mm named) you can hit at 10km. Fitt 2x 150mm, and 1x rocket launcher with defenders. Or just use small range rails (75mm one) and fitt the defender, but be careful with your rocket launcher to be not out of ammo.
If you use it vs other ceptors, you die ^^
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AlphA13
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Posted - 2004.09.16 11:25:00 -
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÷hm I can post here my 2 cents... yesterday a guy from biomass entered my system and said.. anyone can have a raptor now for 6 mil... mhh I thought I can fly it .. lets give it a try.. so I bought it for 6 mil... I bought 2x 150mm carbide and a named launcher dampner scrambler 10mn ab.. some aux cores.. so lets try this.. new interceptor killer against some npc frigs to test my enormous dmg and range setup... after flieng 5 mins around a merlin trying to kill it .. I decided,... mhh 6 mil where cheap.. so lets put it in escrow for 9.9 mil...this morning dada sold so 6 mil was price for me.. 1 mil for equipment.. so hey hey hey 2.9 mil profit without to much trouble.. so if u get ur hans on a 6mil thing...make money with it and buy a crow
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AlphA13
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Posted - 2004.09.16 11:25:00 -
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÷hm I can post here my 2 cents... yesterday a guy from biomass entered my system and said.. anyone can have a raptor now for 6 mil... mhh I thought I can fly it .. lets give it a try.. so I bought it for 6 mil... I bought 2x 150mm carbide and a named launcher dampner scrambler 10mn ab.. some aux cores.. so lets try this.. new interceptor killer against some npc frigs to test my enormous dmg and range setup... after flieng 5 mins around a merlin trying to kill it .. I decided,... mhh 6 mil where cheap.. so lets put it in escrow for 9.9 mil...this morning dada sold so 6 mil was price for me.. 1 mil for equipment.. so hey hey hey 2.9 mil profit without to much trouble.. so if u get ur hans on a 6mil thing...make money with it and buy a crow
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Kitten Hearder
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Posted - 2005.02.12 21:23:00 -
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So I wonder what Raptors are like now.
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Voltron
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Posted - 2005.02.12 22:01:00 -
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The new warp speed is nice and helps for tackling, its still slower than a crow and could use a bit of grid, but some creative fitting can yields some nice results.
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.02.12 22:25:00 -
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Raptor vs Crow = dead Crow.
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2005.02.12 22:53:00 -
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Raptor sensor = 7
Crow = 6
Anyway, other than that blasters and rockets look like an interesting combo. Damage bonus to both types, and should be able to cause trouble for a lot of ceptors with that.
People might be wondering, why rockets might be better than a third turret? Simple flexibility on range. Engage long range ships up close, web and scramble short range ships and let loose missles from 7km where blasters are ineffective.
Works well enough for a Claw anyway, and I don't get missle damage bonus.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.02.13 04:56:00 -
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The Raptor is an interceptor, it wasn't designed to kill but to tackle.
If you can't fly anything else than Caldari ships, it's the best interceptor available because of it's affordable price.
Unless you know people who sell Crows for 7 Mio, of course (and yes they exist  )
I still think interceptors shouldn't even have high slots because at the moment they have the best of 2 worlds: defense and offense, and this is not logical. But that's another debate 
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2005.02.13 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: ZelRox
My raptor is still loaded with 2 cruise missiles :) Nuff said :)
Mine is still named "Worst...inty....EVER"...
I got it wayyyy back in the day and after I flew it for a little while I threw it into my hangar in stain and decided not to use it again... I even tried to give it away but no one wanted it.
I think -that- is nuff said on the quality of the crappy raptor
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.02.13 11:15:00 -
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Were the inty's not upgraded so to give ships like the Raptor a much faster to-warp speed than the crow, and possibley other inty's? If so doesn't it make for a much better tackler than the crow? (Cheaper, Warps faster, Does pretty much the same tackling/speed?)
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Cinnander
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Posted - 2005.02.13 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Cinnander on 13/02/2005 12:44:27
Case 1; Take the rifter, which by general consenus we can assume kicks quite a bit of hide;
Add a Low slot
Add a Mid slot
Take off one 'optional' turret hardpoint (sux, would be nice to see a turret based caldari ceptor)
Make it 115ms Faster
... And you have a raptor. Now, as 2ML 2Turret is what you're limited to on the Raptor, and it's what most people use on the Rifter, Considering Raptor's 115ms FASTER, I dont see why it's so "the sux"... admittedly it favours a different type of turret, but skills/specialisations can be called into play here.
Case 2; Take the Merlin,
Add a mid slot
Make it 185ms faster
Take 1 from it's sensor strength (Not sure about this... but Raptor is still more Sensorized than Crow)
... And you have a Raptor
All in all it seems like Lai Dai took the best of both worlds a bit when designing this one.
But hey - It's still better since the patch, right. Seeeee. Patches make it all better!
Edit: Anyone tried 75mm Gattling Railgun IIs on this ship? I find they're a delightful middle ground between hardcore light blasters and longer-range railguns, fairly decent tracking and although moderately light damage, good ROF.
Only problem I can see is that your ammo bill will increase somewhat. 
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Vampire Blade
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Posted - 2005.02.13 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Vampire Blade on 13/02/2005 15:54:27
the raptor is rubbish for inty vs inty.
i can say this because i've fought 30 odd of the buggers on sisi in the past few days. it's pathetic @ "long-range" interceptor combat because it's just too easy to get out of 20k scramble range or to get into web range.
the speed of the interceptor the raptor is fighting is irrelevent, you just can't get a quick-death, long-range raptor, the raptor simply *erodes* the target until it's unfortunate enough to have a crap pilot that will fly around until it dies, until the ship just flies away or webs you.
approach any LR raptor and it will take maneuvers to correct it's range, at this point fly in the opposite direction and you can easily make 25k-30k range difference.
and that distance is easy to keep in any interceptor until the cycle on the disruptor ends.
now, on sisi you wouldn't warp out because the ships are free, so you'd have people flying around (outside of 20k for a good part) for a good 2-3 minutes being shot at by this raptor until they died, the raptor pilot would then think that this tactic is uber and valid in TQ warfare. i only have "ok, whatever you think" to say to that :(
look at the difference between the crusader and the raptor which are both "valid" choices in long range interceptor combat. the crusader has 4 turret slots, the raptor has 2. i think the difference is quite clear just from that observation.
now, the difference between the crow and a raptor. i'll just tell it as it was on sisi. i use 400 rt plates on my crow, the raptor was fit for long range. i would fly around until the raptor has taken 99% of my shield away.
now, on TQ i wouldn't even go into combat in this state, i'd just get outside of 20k and warp out, and it's no mean feat to do this. it's actually really, really easy.
however, when the raptor deemed it time to "unleash teh pwn" @ close range the crow would still own the pod out of the poor raptor because the damned thing has 950 hit points of armour to *erode* whereas poor little raptor has to see off over 700 points of damage from mr crow within the first few seconds of close range skirmishing.
the raptor would die before it got the crow to 40% armour. this is the testament to it's strength.
my conclusion? use a crow, crusader, claw, even a stiletto, just not a raptor :(
give it a third turret hardpoint. please.
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Hyey
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Posted - 2005.02.13 16:18:00 -
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hideous miss, it cant do anything of note better than a crow to an extent that would warrant flying it over a crow. There are a few oddball setups out there that can give you quiet a run for your money but those are few and far between, all in all, a crow is simply, better :/
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.02.13 16:39:00 -
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well, raptor is probably the worst inty out there... other are balanced, or role specific(i.e. stilleto is no killer, but is not intended to kill), but raptor sucks all the way.
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2005.02.13 16:57:00 -
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Raptor is just to slow in normal space. only 415 m/s? Not much of a tackler. And "long range + missile hardpoints" is a paradox. Missiles are no long range weapons, since they take forever to hit. I have a raptor and i am still trying to figure what the hell to do with it :)
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MrFu
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Posted - 2005.02.13 17:53:00 -
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Omg,necromancers!
run
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Tensa
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Posted - 2005.02.13 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tensa on 13/02/2005 20:18:14
Well i use a raptor exclusively. I think raptor makes an awesome tackler/pod killer. I tried a crow but i liked the raptor more, even before the beef. Things to realize is 1) raptor locks faster than a crow 2) Raptors now warp faster than crow. I think there's slight changes that should be done to interceptors but that's another topic i want to post.
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