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Brian thelion
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Posted - 2009.06.10 21:47:00 -
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What are others thoughts about makeing the agression timer longer in front of stations. Or have a fitting that does not allow them to dock. Like a station docking scramble lol. Been getting alot of docking games especially in high sec.
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.06.10 22:12:00 -
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1 min is plenty of time... shoot harder or bring a bigger crowd.
But I do agree, dock/gate camping is lame.... I mean docking games are lame. |
Brian thelion
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Posted - 2009.06.10 22:21:00 -
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is is 1 min now,i thought it was 30 sec?
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Brian thelion
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Posted - 2009.06.10 22:24:00 -
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Im just tired of geting people threw armor and start digging into there structure and they deagress once they hit armor and dock up at 20% structure.
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Boosterjunkie
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Posted - 2009.06.10 22:51:00 -
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i suggest you to do a roam in low or null sec and find a fleshy target in a belt. fighting at stations is for people who are scared to lose their ships. |
Brian thelion
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Posted - 2009.06.10 23:02:00 -
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I usally can flip or do war targets but had a few station fights the last few days and all the mofo's did was dock before i get there structure to 25%. Your right there scared to lose ships.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2009.06.10 23:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Brian thelion
I usally can flip or do war targets but had a few station fights the last few days and all the mofo's did was dock before i get there structure to 25%. Your right there scared to lose ships.
So if you can't kill your targets there, why don't you move on? You're doing lame **** and are crying when your opponents do the same?
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Brian thelion
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Posted - 2009.06.10 23:28:00 -
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Words from a station humper.
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Joey Bob
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Posted - 2009.06.10 23:49:00 -
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Since the introduction of the speed nerf targets find it easyer to get back to station for one if they are webbed - making it very easy for targets to simply play around outside a station.
When you have a target that actually does undock you can play the game how you want it, e.g. Tanked Drake - these can take a BS class ship no problem especally if they go into orbit at 500m againt large blasters, admitantly they wont do much but waste your ammo but I feel undocking games are taken far too lightly.
However confidence is what gets my targets popped.
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Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2009.06.11 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Brian thelion
especially in high sec.
PvPing in high sec is something I never properly understood tbh, why don't you go out there and kill stuff where there are no invulnerable concord protected neutral guardian alts?
I'm aware I'm not really being constructive here, but while shopping can't help but see all those people dropping cans and smacking in Amarr and then RRing each other on Emperor Family undock, they should really go to low sec or 0.0 and get a proper fight ffs.
As to actually answer your question: aggression timer is ok in my experience. Nothing wrong with it, 60 seconds is quite enough.
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StainLessStealRat
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.06.11 05:58:00 -
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Timer im ok with,The stupidly large dock range i would love too see changed.
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Too Dangerous
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Posted - 2009.06.11 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Originally by: Brian thelion
I usally can flip or do war targets but had a few station fights the last few days and all the mofo's did was dock before i get there structure to 25%. Your right there scared to lose ships.
So if you can't kill your targets there, why don't you move on? You're doing lame **** and are crying when your opponents do the same?
Too right. OP being lame by trying to take easy targets coming out of stations and then complains when they dock instead of sit waiting to be ganked. Move out to somewhere there are NO stations and you wont have this problem.
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.06.11 11:48:00 -
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If you don't like station docking games, don't fight people on stations. Problem solved, you'll never experience docking games again. Even if someone attacks you when you undock from a station and you had no intention of fighting at that station, the moment they begin to deagress so that they can dock, they're no longer tackling you so you may continue on with what you were doing which was warping off from the station to wherever you were going.
PS: If you can't kill a battleship before it deaggro's, then you're doing something wrong. Especially since you will know the moment they begin deaggroing and their 60sec timer begins.
PPS: The first thing you are doing wrong is trying to PVP in highsec, lol. |
RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.06.11 12:04:00 -
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Stop overblobbing people and they might engage off station.
Usually the issue is half a dozen people wanting to gank some guy in a station, he undocks and ****s with them playing docking games- 'cause he can. Its more fun than sitting in station.
The gankbears weep bitter tears that they cant blob their target and get all bitter about it.
Sure, some people will never willingly take a risk but you have to trick them into a fight and they are in the minority when it comes to those accused of station games.
Lets be honest, how often is the guy de-agressing faced with a fair fight? |
RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.06.11 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: StainLessStealRat
The stupidly large dock range i would love too see changed.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.11 13:01:00 -
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Sure change docking range, after they add windows to the stations.
Ignore people on station and you dont have to come to the forums to complain it should be changed. |
Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:12:00 -
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The docking timer is fine as it is.
You need to bring gankage to kill peops on a station, bait them then warp in gank fleet once they are agressed.
If you cant bring enough gankage then go fight somewhere else like belts or gates. |
Havohej
Minmatar
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.06.11 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat
fair fight?
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.06.11 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Rajere on 11/06/2009 15:32:44
Originally by: RedSplat
Stop overblobbing people and they might engage off station.
Usually the issue is half a dozen people wanting to gank some guy in a station, he undocks and ****s with them playing docking games- 'cause he can. Its more fun than sitting in station.
The gankbears weep bitter tears that they cant blob their target and get all bitter about it.
Sure, some people will never willingly take a risk but you have to trick them into a fight and they are in the minority when it comes to those accused of station games.
Lets be honest, how often is the guy de-agressing faced with a fair fight?
Heh I wish this were still true, but this is pretty much 2007-early 2008 truth, no longer applicable today, atleast in my experience. Nowadays it's pretty much the blobbers who refuse to engage off of station, who sit around playing station games. The vast majority of the time it's the small gang pvpers who have to trick the blobbers into a fight. Unfortunately people who are never willing to take any risks have become the vast majority, that's pretty much the reason why they blob to begin with.
The mindset of the average "pvp" alliance/corp has changed alot in the past few years, very very few groups actually play the game to pvp (ie pvp for fun rather than epeen/ k/d ratios). It's always been somewhat true that everyone wants to have the upperhand in a fight but it's gone so far beyond that it's ridiculous. Blobbers are only willing to engage under very specific circumstances in which they have every advantage to the point that they are virtually guaranteed victory with very little risk of losing anything. That was fine back in the day when it was like 1 group in your area who were like that and you could ignore them and go pick a fight with someone else, but nowadays it seems everywhere you go you run into yet another blob who'd rather not lose a single ship than get a fight, even one that they would win, if it means losing anything.
btw, if you have 5-6 guys and you're trying to kill 1 dude docked in a non-death trap station, you should pretty much biomass all your characters because you are terrible. The only way you're going to kill him at the station is A: He's a complete newb player (thus is flying some t1 frig or maybe even a t1 cruiser) who doesn't understand how the basic game mechanics work, he moves immediately and your gang pops him before his session change timer expires; or he's a newb player (who ebayed a bunch of isk and bought a high sp character and undocked in a real ship), who doesn't understand how the basic game mechanics work, so he aggros someone and you pop him before his deagression timer expires (assuming he even knows he should deagress, he did just undock and aggress with a gang sitting there ready to kill him after all).
If someone is trying to undock and go somewhere, f#!king let him, unless the guy is a complete newb you'll actually be able to kill the guy if you catch him where he's going (gate, belt, mission/plex/exploration site/etc) rather than being stupid trying to kill him at the one place where he's 100% invulnerable.
If you're the one guy fighting against a gang who's stupid enough to aggress you in ships you can pop and deagress before they can kill you, then go ahead and play station games. kill what you can, deagress, dock, rinse and repeat until they run out of ships or learn to stop being idiots, that's perfectly fine in my book. |
Audri Fisher
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.06.11 22:35:00 -
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I joined a 0.0 alliance for a reason. |
Havohej
Minmatar
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.06.11 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
I joined a 0.0 alliance for a reason.
Because nobody plays station games in 0.0, right? 
Also, lolIron.
"You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
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