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Angelik'a
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.11 15:14:00 -
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Wish police in the UK could use tasers without having to fill out 12 forms, phone someone in india for permission and then hop on one foot to take it out of a super protective non-conductive health and safety regulated case, put on his non conductive gloves, tell the person 5 times he's going to tase them, ask them for verbal confirmation and then finally do it |
Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.06.11 15:15:00 -
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Who's to say the old woman wouldn't have killed someone further down the road doing 15mph over the speed limit?
In fairness though, where i come from most of the accidents tend to be caused by old people doing 30 in a 60 |
Drunk Driver
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.06.11 15:27:00 -
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My grandmother use to roar down the road in her station wagon full of grandkids (6 to 8) going fast enough to fling us into the roof of the car every time we topped a hill.
We loved it.
She finally got caught. The cop looked in the car, shook his head, wrote her a ticket for speeding, and let her go.
That's back when people were free and could do stupid stuff without being tazed.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.06.11 15:42:00 -
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Saw this woman on the news and I too want to tazer her. |
Corwain
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Posted - 2009.06.11 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
My grandmother use to roar down the road in her station wagon full of grandkids (6 to 8) going fast enough to fling us into the roof of the car every time we topped a hill.
We loved it.
She finally got caught. The cop looked in the car, shook his head, wrote her a ticket for speeding, and let her go.
That's back when people were free and could do stupid stuff without being tazed.
Drunk Driver huh? -- Distortion| Distortion 2 Preview |
Ademaro Imre
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.11 16:10:00 -
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I am suprised that so many people in this thread, including the OP think the LEA was excessive. The woman refused to sign a ticket, which basically states she was given the citation, its not a signature to say she was guilty. Its like a test for alcohol. If you refuse to take a roadside sobriety test if the LEA thinks you are drunk, you are arrested and taken to the police station for a formal test.
She was not only verbally abusive tot he LEA, while refusing arrest, she physically refused arrest. The LEA was in danger standing on the road, as well as the woman who was also refusing to stand away from the road, so he put his hand on her should and and walked forward away from the traffic and the physically pushed back.
After that, she was jumping around from one foot to another foot. This indicates aggressive behavior and show someone is prone to commit some sort of action. This is the same sort of body language LEA and soldiers are trained to look for. If this woman was at a checkpoint in Iraq or Afganistan and did this - she would be showing the same signs as someone ready to kill and many guns would be aimed at her with the safeties off. Police officers have ignored this kind of behavior before, and died because they did not seriously take the threat it signified.
The LEA had two choices, physically use force to restrain her, or use a taser to subdue her with no harm except her discomfort.
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Jaroslav Hasek
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Posted - 2009.06.11 16:43:00 -
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LOL!
Good one! |
Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.11 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Angelik'a Wish police in the UK could use tasers without having to fill out 12 forms, phone someone in india for permission and then hop on one foot to take it out of a super protective non-conductive health and safety regulated case, put on his non conductive gloves, tell the person 5 times he's going to tase them, ask them for verbal confirmation and then finally do it
Um... dude you live in the UK, you might as wish for soft, fluffy, piglets to fly in your bedroom window every night and serenade you to sleep, cause its more likely to happen. |
Aethrwolf
Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers
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Posted - 2009.06.11 18:01:00 -
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Hmm.. have to say she had it coming to a certain extent. Officer could maybe have been a little more diplomatic and explained that signing was not an admission of guilt before things escalated, but as belligerent as she was behaving, it might not have made a difference. Physical restraint on someone of that age is actually more dangerous to the person being restrained than the taser in a lot of cases, especially elderly women. (Osteoperosis, anyone? is that spelled right?) risk of broken bones and other injuries would definitely have been higher if she was physically restrained.
oh and its NOT 100% certain that you are going to hit the ground if you are tased, though most ppl do. I actually have a higher chance of staying on my feet were I to be tased, as I have a metal rod in my back that tends to conduct current AROUND parts of my nervous system, though it would hurt like hell and I'd probably go down on purpose just to make it stop. First rule is not to give them a reason to use the thing on you.
I'll step further and note that likely her family has a shared disrespect for the law.. that tends to be learned behavior. Its amazing what kids notice and learn from as they are growing up, and lessons in one area tend to bleed across from others. Absolutely everything is subjective. |
Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.11 19:38:00 -
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I, for one, am glad we have tazers everywhere now. How the hard-working members of our law enforcement community dealt with crotchety old ladies before their invention is lost to the mists of time; i guess we'll just never know. Clearly, all suspects of all crimes are equal, Comrade: no distinction is necessary, as this wastes the hard-working officer's time in trying to do such strenuous things as assessing threats and formulating appropriate responses.
As many have stated, no one is above the law. Respect for the law comes above all other factors. How evil of the biased media, not showing the many times this good officer has tased his fellow officers for speeding! It is good they do such a fantastic job of keeping each other in line and providing a good law-abiding example, immune to the temptations of privilege and power.
Fight on, Brother.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.06.11 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain
Originally by: Drunk Driver
My grandmother use to roar down the road in her station wagon full of grandkids (6 to 8) going fast enough to fling us into the roof of the car every time we topped a hill.
We loved it.
She finally got caught. The cop looked in the car, shook his head, wrote her a ticket for speeding, and let her go.
That's back when people were free and could do stupid stuff without being tazed.
Drunk Driver huh?
You can read!
Literacy scores another victory among the ignorant!
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Corwain
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Posted - 2009.06.11 20:27:00 -
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Sorry, I was just laughing at how appropriate your name is for your post. -- Distortion| Distortion 2 Preview |
Drunk Driver
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.06.11 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain Sorry, I was just laughing at how appropriate your name is for your post.
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2009.06.11 20:41:00 -
[44]
In short: yes...
Give the guy a break, he was having a field day.. ___________
NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 20:48:00 -
[45]
yes
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Achmed TheDead
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Posted - 2009.06.12 07:00:00 -
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to answer directly. Yes. why? 1) don't F'n disrespect a Cop, thats like the stupidest thing you can do, No matter what the situation, don't **** off a cop. Thats like rubbing sugar on your foot and steeping in an ant hill. 2) If your age is causing your reflexes to diminish (nonpolitical - YOUR OLD) then get off the road, your an accident waiting to happen.
so what if im an atypical cynical bastard
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Freyus Bargem
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Posted - 2009.06.12 08:52:00 -
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In accordance with the title
Did he really need to make her cry?
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2009.06.12 09:09:00 -
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Should change "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" to "The Yellow Cop Of Texas".
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 10:10:00 -
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1. He could EASILY have physically restrained her without using the tazer. 2. He didn't ask her to step away from the traffic or try to discuss what she needed to do in a friendly manner.
He basically pushed her about, repeatedly ordered her around, and then physically assaulted her with something that could easily have killed her (old people often have pacemakers and heart conditions).
Frankly he should have simply:
a. asked (not ordered) her to move away from the road so they could talk safely, b. respectfully asked her to sign the document so they could both be on their way.
The bloke was a total *****.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.12 10:36:00 -
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He asked her to step back, she simply told him she was returning to her car and basically to **** off. She then denied being irrational and shouting at him in an aggressive manner on TV and now that the recording has been released is hiding from the press. |
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero He asked her to step back, she simply told him she was returning to her car and basically to **** off. She then denied being irrational and shouting at him in an aggressive manner on TV and now that the recording has been released is hiding from the press.
I didn't say anything in my post about her and frankly I don't care much about the pre-prepared (by who?) statement she read to the press.
The 'aggressive' behaviour exhibited from the woman in her 70's was at mostly belligerence (primarily due to the cops attitude I would expect) and of clearly minimal risk to anyone over the age of about 14.
The cop handled the situation poorly. He could easily taken her aside and taken the time to calm her down and ended up with a different result. His idea of calming her down was basically repeating 'do what I want or I will tase you'... nice approach.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.06.12 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter Frankly he should have simply:
a. asked (not ordered) her to move away from the road so they could talk safely, b. respectfully asked her to sign the document so they could both be on their way.
The bloke was a total *****.
Much simpler. She should have signed the ticket. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.06.12 11:26:00 -
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Cop just didn't want to get his hands dirty manhandling an old woman. So he used the "clean" taser. Which is the only issue here, really. Bruises, scratches and a dislocated should are easier to treat than a heart failure.
Tasers should not be considered a clean and easy option to handle situations. They are more dangerous than some righteous spanking and should only be used when physically restraining is simply not an option or someone needs to be taken down quickly to protect the person, the cop or third parties.
Other than that, she had it coming. The choice of weapon was just poor. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.12 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Cop just didn't want to get his hands dirty manhandling an old woman. So he used the "clean" taser. Which is the only issue here, really. Bruises, scratches and a dislocated should are easier to treat than a heart failure.
Tasers should not be considered a clean and easy option to handle situations. They are more dangerous than some righteous spanking and should only be used when physically restraining is simply not an option or someone needs to be taken down quickly to protect the person, the cop or third parties.
Other than that, she had it coming. The choice of weapon was just poor.
Yup, should've used the baton on her fat mouth
Originally by: darkrei9n
Because Minmatar ships smell like garbage, Amarr ships smell like incense and that stuff, Caldari ships smell like a hospital, and Gallente ships smell like French people.
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
The LEA had two choices, physically use force to restrain her, or use a taser to subdue her with no harm except her discomfort.
The only thing the police officer did wrong, was not tasing her after his first warning. But, perhaps the policies for his jurisdiction required so many extra warnings.
There was also a third choice. He could have stopped working like a brain dead automatron, and used a bit of diplomatic common sense, in order to stop it escalating in the first place. He could have shown her a bit of respect (even though she's an idiot), empathised, and given her a bit of time to calm down. Then 10 minutes later she would have been on way with her ticket. Then he wouldn't have had to go down in history as the no-brain traffic cop who had to tazer and arrest a Granny in order to issue a speeding ticket.
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Glamaz Cruciatia
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:51:00 -
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I can see both sides of the coin here...
those who say he shouldnt because she is a frail old woman... does she really look and act like a frail old woman?
Also it did seem like she was trying to also walk towards the road, which is dangerous, maybe you could argue the cop saved her life!!
but I can understand people's concerns about who this Tazer weapon should and shouldnt be used against, no-one should be above and beyound the law, but each case needs to be treated individually, and I think in this case the cop was right, but could of been avoided, the cop could of very easily physically over powered the lady without the use of a the Tazer IMO, but the cop has to act in the spur of the moemnt and make split decisions under pressure..
and I leave you with a question... if an OAP kept hitting you, and telling her to stop wasnt working... would you hit them?
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Master Gotama
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:57:00 -
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So this happened in my home town, Austin, TX. I think itÆs amusing; the woman got exactly what she deserved. She told the cop to arrest her in the first place, then resisted arrest when he tried to handcuff her. Moral of the story: when a guy with a gun and tazer tells you what to do, pay attention and donÆt talk back!
Anyone that has spent time downtown at the bars or clubs here knows that the cops do not **** around when it comes to respecting their authority. I have seen so many people get the shet beated out of them for talking back to the cops or resisting arrest (though admittedly most of the cases I have witnessed first hand involved drunk people). Actually, using the tazer is way nicer than some of the stuff IÆve seen before these were implemented. All in all, she actually got off easy, there have been several fatal shooting by the cops for people evading arrest in the past few years (donÆt run from them, especially if you are a minority, they will shoot!).
To be honest, I want more guys like this employed around here. Overall, we have a pretty low crime rate (per capita) and I believe officers like the one in this video help keep us safe. This has been in the news the whole week around here, meanwhile, our neighbors in Houston and Dallas are dealing with homicides on a daily basis. Besides, IÆm not worried in the least when I see stuff like this because I know it doesnÆt happen to people that do what they are told. When I get pulled over, I tend to sign the tickets and say ôyes sir/maÆamö the whole time.
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Pnandor
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:55:00 -
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Is there no such thing as common sense in the U.S.?
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 12/06/2009 17:11:19 Edited by: goodby4u on 12/06/2009 17:10:51 Hmm tough one, well the shoves were warranted, I mean the woman was forcing the officer to stand darn near oncoming traffic, I would do the same in that situation.
She also was quite irratic, I can understand why the deputy used the tazer but I think it would have been a better option to avoid using it simply because of her age...
I mean the tazer has a rather high chance of killing an old woman due to the probability of heart problems and the cop could have subdued her without its use.
What should have happened is he should have given her a clear choice sign this or go to jail, if she picks jail you cuff' her and if she picks sign it then she signs and leaves.
I think these tazers are starting to become used far too often, sure its true that they are better then being shot, but to be used on every person that begins to shout? |
Audri Fisher
Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.06.12 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
My grandmother use to roar down the road in her station wagon full of grandkids (6 to 8) going fast enough to fling us into the roof of the car every time we topped a hill.
We loved it.
She finally got caught. The cop looked in the car, shook his head, wrote her a ticket for speeding, and let her go.
That's back when people were free and could do stupid stuff without being tazed.
Dollars to donuts that f your Grandma had refused to accept the ticket, she would have been arrested, and the car towed, just like happened to this old lady. |
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