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Rodger Smith	Posted - 2009.06.12 20:02:00 - [1] I mean my question is in the title really I am a bit new at PvP but all my skill on with Caldari I can fly a command ship and some of the tech II cruisers I am just curious if I need to go ahead and start cross training or should I suck it up and do nothing but ECM or is there a good ship or set of skills to train to be good with Caldari ships and PvP? Thanks for any help
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.06.12 20:14:00 - [2] Have you taken any time to read any other posts or just thought you go blindly into this one and post anyway?
Rodger Smith	Posted - 2009.06.12 20:17:00 - [3] Originally by: Lightningshade Have you taken any time to read any other posts or just thought you go blindly into this one and post anyway? Mostly blindly in one and post away.... I mean I was just asking for help I don't see why that response was needed.
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.06.12 20:17:00 - [4] It's needed because your lazy.
Rodger Smith	Posted - 2009.06.12 20:21:00 - [5] Originally by: Lightningshade It's needed because your lazy. How so?
Gabble Ratchet	Posted - 2009.06.12 20:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Rodger Smith Originally by: Lightningshade Have you taken any time to read any other posts or just thought you go blindly into this one and post anyway? Mostly blindly in one and post away.... I mean I was just asking for help I don't see why that response was needed. You sir are a piece of #$%#$%# and a #@$%#@$%!!! You will be relentlessly hunted down and podded repeatedly. Let the tears begin!
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.06.12 20:25:00 - [7] Becuase you cant be bothered looking through the forums. So many wont bee bothered to help you.
Alt Tabbed	Posted - 2009.06.12 20:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Lightningshade Becuase you cant be bothered looking through the forums. So many wont bee bothered to help you. Don't be a jerk. [Ferox, PVP GAWD MODE] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Medium Armor Repairer II Warp Scrambler II ECCM - Omni II ECCM - Omni II ECCM - Omni II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Small Proton Smartbomb II Small Proton Smartbomb II Small Proton Smartbomb II Auxiliary Thrusters I Auxiliary Thrusters I Auxiliary Thrusters I Hornet II x5 That setup there is PRAWNSAUCE in a bottle...and you know it.
Sun Clausewitz	Posted - 2009.06.12 20:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Rodger Smith I mean my question is in the title really I am a bit new at PvP but all my skill on with Caldari I can fly a command ship and some of the tech II cruisers I am just curious if I need to go ahead and start cross training or should I suck it up and do nothing but ECM or is there a good ship or set of skills to train to be good with Caldari ships and PvP? Thanks for any help See my sig... it sums it up Pick Three: Caldari/PVP/Solo/Success
Intigo Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.12 21:06:00 - [10] Caldari has many great PvP ships. Sun's signature is stupid.
Karentaki Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.12 21:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Intigo Caldari has many great PvP ships. Sun's signature is stupid. This. All the races (except for amarr) have down-sides. The only difference is that the caldari, as usual, are much more vocal about it. Quote: EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.12 22:00:00 - [12] Cruise missile Raven. Glad i could help.
Intigo Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.12 22:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Cruise missile Raven. Glad i could help. ...what? Cruise Ravens are terrible, what are you smoking? Siege Ravens on the other hand. ___________________ ENEMA, much love. <3
Alt Tabbed	Posted - 2009.06.12 23:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Intigo Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Cruise missile Raven. Glad i could help. ...what? Cruise Ravens are terrible, what are you smoking? Siege Ravens on the other hand. ppffttt like they have enough range.....
Intigo Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.12 23:03:00 - [15] Originally by: Alt Tabbed Originally by: Intigo Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Cruise missile Raven. Glad i could help. ...what? Cruise Ravens are terrible, what are you smoking? Siege Ravens on the other hand. ppffttt like they have enough range..... Are you trolling or are you honestly this stupid? Siege Ravens lose out on a bit of range but they more than make up for it in sheer destructive firepower. Anyone who flies a Cruise Raven in PvP would be far better off in a variety of other ships. Also, for mr. Sun and his "hurf blurf, Caldari can't do solo PvP" signature - it's called a Drake, try flying one.
Atreus Tac Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.12 23:17:00 - [16] i will post useful and good ships here condor kessie merlin blackbird caracal moa ferox drake raven scorp rokh manticore buzzard harpy kitsune crow eagle cerb rook falcon onyx bassi tengu vulture widow phoenix chimera wyvern (sp on last few) titan can you now see how stupid ur post was __________________________________________________________ [16:54:07] Kopier Tante > if you got an mwd then your completly ****ed [16:54:34] Kopier Tante > you got no defence, no speed, nothing.
Alt Tabbed	Posted - 2009.06.12 23:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Intigo Are you trolling or are you honestly this stupid? Siege Ravens lose out on a bit of range but they more than make up for it in sheer destructive firepower. Anyone who flies a Cruise Raven in PvP would be far better off in a variety of other ships. Also, for mr. Sun and his "hurf blurf, Caldari can't do solo PvP" signature - it's called a Drake, try flying one. So much anger....
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.12 23:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Intigo Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Cruise missile Raven. Glad i could help. ...what? Cruise Ravens are terrible, what are you smoking? Siege Ravens on the other hand. No. Cruise missiles are better.
Commander Yassir Big Black Hole	Posted - 2009.06.12 23:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Intigo Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Cruise missile Raven. Glad i could help. ...what? Cruise Ravens are terrible, what are you smoking? Siege Ravens on the other hand. No. Cruise missiles are better. My soul just cried out in pain. ~ The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on.
Marius Deterium Caldari The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.06.13 00:12:00 - [20] Caldari have a few ships which can serve roles suited for PvP. These tend to be supporting roles. IE, ECM, Sniping etc... But, Caldari ships tend to be slower with less DPS. If you are serious about PvP, you will cross train something in addition to Caldari so that your role can be more versitile.
Nightwalker234 Phoenix Industries Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.06.13 01:47:00 - [21] Edited by: Nightwalker234 on 13/06/2009 01:50:03 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba No. Cruise missiles are better. ummm.... no? A raven fit with Siege is a better PVP fit that cruise missiles. The main problem with regular missiles such as heavy missiles, cruise missiles ect. ect. is that most people are going to come at you with guns and, as a general rule, guns will hit you twice before your missiles hit them once. This is where assault missiles/ siege missiles come into play. You may then scarifice some range but you will then be able you hit them as aften as they hit you. Then you get under their tracking and you have turned a hopeless fight into one you can now win. Caldari are pretty versatile second most imo next to the Gallente where their versatility comes from their drones. You will most often see Caldari in support roles such as ECM where they are most commonly known for, Hope this helps
Alt Tabbed	Posted - 2009.06.13 02:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Nightwalker234 Edited by: Nightwalker234 on 13/06/2009 01:50:03 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba No. Cruise missiles are better. ummm.... no? A raven fit with Siege is a better PVP fit that cruise missiles. The main problem with regular missiles such as heavy missiles, cruise missiles ect. ect. is that most people are going to come at you with guns and, as a general rule, guns will hit you twice before your missiles hit them once. This is where assault missiles/ siege missiles come into play. You may then scarifice some range but you will then be able you hit them as aften as they hit you. Then you get under their tracking and you have turned a hopeless fight into one you can now win. Caldari are pretty versatile second most imo next to the Gallente where their versatility comes from their drones. You will most often see Caldari in support roles such as ECM where they are most commonly known for, Hope this helps All that is fine but you're missing the point.....no range.
Death Becoming	Posted - 2009.06.13 05:56:00 - [23] Edited by: Death Becoming on 13/06/2009 06:00:30 Edited by: Death Becoming on 13/06/2009 05:57:05 I dont understand why ppl are so mean. This is my armour tanking drake fit. DMG control II 800mm Rolled T plate Med LAR II Med LAR II Med Hull Repair II Med Hull Repair II Med Cap Booster II Med Cap Booster II Stasis Web II Warp Disruptor II Standard Missle Launcher II Standard Missle Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Heavy Assualt Launcher II Heavy Assualt Launcher II Heavy Missle Launcher II Prototype cloaking device I This ship can hit frigates, cruisers, and other BCs and will shock the enemy silly with the armour and hull tanking abilities. And unlike my friend above this will actually fit.
Hurtado Soneka Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.13 06:23:00 - [24] short answer for the OP.... no there isnt
WishBlade Caldari Atomic Heroes	Posted - 2009.06.13 06:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Atreus Tac harpy onyx With over 2 years of experience on the first one, and bout a year on the second: THIS! Onyx is the best HIC for its purpose. Aweseomenessness
Intigo Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.13 07:58:00 - [26] Originally by: Hurtado Soneka short answer for the OP.... no there isnt Look, another idiot.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.13 08:34:00 - [27] Actually, broadsword is basicly in every way better than onyx at doing hic stuff (i believe onyx has more dps at range). However the difference is very small. If you want caldari, solo, success and pvp, pick a drake or a harpy for example
Sir Zzang Amarr	Posted - 2009.06.13 09:23:00 - [28] HAM Drake!~ _ :D!
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.13 10:40:00 - [29] To the op, for eveo you can use www.eve-search.com also if you dont feel like sifting through troll infested threads on a forum that has been almost given up on by their mods, try this one for setups: http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewforum.php?f=3&sid=3598d8f43fcc7ad0aca13495cd5a3436
Norpa	Posted - 2009.06.13 11:12:00 - [30] Originally by: WishBlade Originally by: Atreus Tac onyx With over 2 years of experience on the first one, and bout a year on the second: THIS! Onyx is the best HIC for its purpose. Is it the massive lack of EHP compared to the other HICs that sold you on this one? Or maybe it's the need for an active Invuln instead of a passive EANM, meaning that when you get double-neuted by a carrier, your survivability gets cut in half.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.06.13 11:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Intigo Anyone who flies a Cruise Raven in PvP would be far better off in a variety of other ships. Actually this is not exactly true, while keeping in mind "PvP" is a very broad term. A cruise raven can be quite useful anti support ship in armor RR gang, unlike turret snipers it needs no additional slots to increase it's range apart from sensor boosters, leaving enough slots for eccms and some token buffer tank for sentries in low sec environments. It's actually a way a non-ecm caldari pilot can hang around with the cool kids in megas and geddons, warping at distance presumably protects it against similar gang's damage, while it can concentrate on taking down jammers. Advantages over cerb would be more sensor strenght and slots for it, more ehp, more damage with no dependancy on kinetic dmg bonus. You'd be surprised how many pre-nerf falcons and rook got caught off guard at 150-200km ranges and managed to pop despite all the missile travel time issues. But yes, torp raven is quite a nice ship and obviously far better than cruise raven for close ranges. All the "caldari suck for pvp" is really just the excuse for people who lack imagination or are afraid to drop some mids for tackling gear. Drake and ferox come particulary to mind here, so does rokh.
Sytoru Hiroshyma SkillzKillz	Posted - 2009.06.13 14:16:00 - [32] Have to admit, i'm quite taken with my torp fit CNR (it's only partial faction fit atm though)
UMEE Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.06.14 06:54:00 - [33] Originally by: Death Becoming I dont understand why ppl are so mean. oh, oh, i do! it's because the forums are full of low self-esteem miscreants.
Intigo Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.14 08:31:00 - [34] Originally by: UMEE Originally by: Death Becoming I dont understand why ppl are so mean. oh, oh, i do! it's because the forums are full of low self-esteem miscreants. The forum is also full of people who know a lot better than you, which is why I keep telling you to stop posting already.
Johnny Gurkha Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2009.06.14 14:13:00 - [35] Caldari ships are not really solo boats - they can be but you have to be careful with your targets more so than if you were flying a Thorax, Maller or Rupture That being said if you took a small gang of skilled pilots with a Blackbird, Osprey, Caracal and Moa you would be suprised how many fights you wouldn't lose....
Beltantis Torrence Balls Deep Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.14 15:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Atreus Tac i will post useful and good ships here blackbird drake raven scorp rokh manticore harpy kitsune crow cerb rook onyx bassi can you now see how stupid ur post was Fixed this for you.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.06.15 13:20:00 - [37] Here are some fittings for each "best in class" Caldari vessels, these are probably not the best fits but no gang leader would complain about you bringing such setups. (The Raven requires a friend with a target painter, but I never liked the armor fits that feature target painters onboard) [Ferox, Standard] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Hobgoblin II x5 [Raven, Siege] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Hobgoblin II x1 Hammerhead II x2 Ogre II x2 [Cerberus, Standard] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile [Harpy, Standard] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Shield Booster II 1MN Afterburner II J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Nosferatu II
Sun Clausewitz	Posted - 2009.06.15 14:07:00 - [38] Sure, there are a few Caldari ships that are good at PVP, but they are all support roles. Basically ECM boats. No such thing as a solo-Caldari PVP ship, unless you are looking to get beat everytime.
rodensteiner	Posted - 2009.06.15 14:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Karentaki This. All the races (except for amarr) have down-sides. Excuse me? I fly nothing but Amarr, and I assure you, your statement is incorrect.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.15 14:37:00 - [40] Originally by: Sun Clausewitz Sure, there are a few Caldari ships that are good at PVP, but they are all support roles. Basically ECM boats. No such thing as a solo-Caldari PVP ship, unless you are looking to get beat everytime. This man speaks the truth. The drake and harpy are the worst solo ships in their class. Rokhs must be completely useless, they dont use ecm. Same for torps ravens and onyx. Sniper ferox also has no role at all, just like eagles and cerbs. Crows are terrible and flycatchers cant drop bubbles.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.06.15 20:18:00 - [41] Originally by: Sun Clausewitz Sure, there are a few Caldari ships that are good at PVP, but they are all support roles. Basically ECM boats. No such thing as a solo-Caldari PVP ship, unless you are looking to get beat everytime. You either have no experience at all or any experience you have has somehow mislead you into stating this sort of... well, nonsense.
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.15 20:58:00 - [42] Originally by: Furb Killer Originally by: Sun Clausewitz Sure, there are a few Caldari ships that are good at PVP, but they are all support roles. Basically ECM boats. No such thing as a solo-Caldari PVP ship, unless you are looking to get beat everytime. This man speaks the truth. The drake and harpy are the worst solo ships in their class. Rokhs must be completely useless, they dont use ecm. Same for torps ravens and onyx. Sniper ferox also has no role at all, just like eagles and cerbs. Crows are terrible and flycatchers cant drop bubbles. I'd defiantly agree that the Drake is the best solo BC for attacking BC and smaller, And in small gangs you can often get away with Little-No Tank fittings as its rare for the drake to be targeted early on. YMMV.
Mystafyre Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:21:00 - [43] Originally by: Sun Clausewitz Sure, there are a few Caldari ships that are good at PVP, but they are all support roles. Basically ECM boats. No such thing as a solo-Caldari PVP ship, unless you are looking to get beat everytime. Drake.
Mystafyre Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:27:00 - [44] Originally by: Furb Killer Originally by: Sun Clausewitz Sure, there are a few Caldari ships that are good at PVP, but they are all support roles. Basically ECM boats. No such thing as a solo-Caldari PVP ship, unless you are looking to get beat everytime. This man speaks the truth. The drake and harpy are the worst solo ships in their class. Rokhs must be completely useless, they dont use ecm. Same for torps ravens and onyx. Sniper ferox also has no role at all, just like eagles and cerbs. Crows are terrible and flycatchers cant drop bubbles. So much fail in this post..
Christina Bamar Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.06.15 23:48:00 - [45] Originally by: Furb Killer Originally by: Sun Clausewitz Sure, there are a few Caldari ships that are good at PVP, but they are all support roles. Basically ECM boats. No such thing as a solo-Caldari PVP ship, unless you are looking to get beat everytime. This man speaks the truth. The drake and harpy are the worst solo ships in their class. Rokhs must be completely useless, they dont use ecm. Same for torps ravens and onyx. Sniper ferox also has no role at all, just like eagles and cerbs. Crows are terrible and flycatchers cant drop bubbles. The Harpy is the worst solo ship in its class? Worse than a Hawk? Worse than an Enyo? Worse than a Retribution?!? Honestly the Harpy is a pretty solid AF in skilled hands. If you had said the Hawk then you might have a point. Honestly I don't understand why people focus so much on solo pvp. Most of EVE PvP is gang pvp, and that's what the game is balanced on. People love to talk about solo pvp, but quite few people actually do it, and very few people are any good at it. Bottom line is that solo pvp comes down to situational awareness and knowing when to run away 90% of the time, of the remaining 10%, about 6% is skill, 3% is luck, and 1% is the ship you fly. If you have to complain about how bad your ship is for solo pvp then you're not good at solo pvp and it's a moot point. CEO, Agony Unleashed
iPedo Gallente Boob Heads OUTWORLD SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.06.16 01:37:00 - [46] Originally by: Christina Bamar Originally by: Furb Killer Originally by: Sun Clausewitz Sure, there are a few Caldari ships that are good at PVP, but they are all support roles. Basically ECM boats. No such thing as a solo-Caldari PVP ship, unless you are looking to get beat everytime. This man speaks the truth. The drake and harpy are the worst solo ships in their class. Rokhs must be completely useless, they dont use ecm. Same for torps ravens and onyx. Sniper ferox also has no role at all, just like eagles and cerbs. Crows are terrible and flycatchers cant drop bubbles. The Harpy is the worst solo ship in its class? Worse than a Hawk? Worse than an Enyo? Worse than a Retribution?!? Honestly the Harpy is a pretty solid AF in skilled hands. If you had said the Hawk then you might have a point. Honestly I don't understand why people focus so much on solo pvp. Most of EVE PvP is gang pvp, and that's what the game is balanced on. People love to talk about solo pvp, but quite few people actually do it, and very few people are any good at it. Bottom line is that solo pvp comes down to situational awareness and knowing when to run away 90% of the time, of the remaining 10%, about 6% is skill, 3% is luck, and 1% is the ship you fly. If you have to complain about how bad your ship is for solo pvp then you're not good at solo pvp and it's a moot point. Enter Sarcasm
lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.06.16 02:08:00 - [47] Originally by: Mystafyre So much fail in this post.. Originally by: Christina Bamar The Harpy is the worst solo ship in its class? Worse than a Hawk? Worse than an Enyo? Worse than a Retribution?!? Honestly the Harpy is a pretty solid AF in skilled hands. If you had said the Hawk then you might have a point. Honestly I don't understand why people focus so much on solo pvp. Most of EVE PvP is gang pvp, and that's what the game is balanced on. People love to talk about solo pvp, but quite few people actually do it, and very few people are any good at it. Bottom line is that solo pvp comes down to situational awareness and knowing when to run away 90% of the time, of the remaining 10%, about 6% is skill, 3% is luck, and 1% is the ship you fly. If you have to complain about how bad your ship is for solo pvp then you're not good at solo pvp and it's a moot point. I see sarcasm goes 'whooooosh' over your heads
Christina Bamar Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.06.16 04:06:00 - [48] I should probably read the entire post before responding huh
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.16 06:03:00 - [49] Next time i just add a big neon sign "sarcasm" to my posts
Intigo Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.16 06:10:00 - [50] Christina, just blame Sun Clausewitz, because that guy is stupid enough to actually believe what he's writing.
Kadavreski Caldari State Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.16 06:27:00 - [51] I dunno about you guys but I quite like the Crow, most of my kills have been in a drake because it's versatile and I happen to be in the wrong ship at the right time (also, godlike sentry tanking ability) and with a little reading it's clear a lot of Caldari ships own pretty hard. Also, people saying torp ravens suck must be carebears (and this is from a carebear). They must be! I mean, seriously, do you go around hammering blasters and and autocannons because rails and artillery have more range? Arggh
TriIIion	Posted - 2009.06.16 06:32:00 - [52] Originally by: Death Becoming Edited by: Death Becoming on 13/06/2009 06:00:30 Edited by: Death Becoming on 13/06/2009 05:57:05 I dont understand why ppl are so mean. This is my armour tanking drake fit. DMG control II 800mm Rolled T plate Med LAR II Med LAR II Med Hull Repair II Med Hull Repair II Med Cap Booster II Med Cap Booster II Stasis Web II Warp Disruptor II Standard Missle Launcher II Standard Missle Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Heavy Assualt Launcher II Heavy Assualt Launcher II Heavy Missle Launcher II Prototype cloaking device I This ship can hit frigates, cruisers, and other BCs and will shock the enemy silly with the armour and hull tanking abilities. And unlike my friend above this will actually fit. First, I would like to take a moment of silence to pray that you are a troll... but as you are an 09 player I can safely assume you are not. Secondly, I would like to suggest no one ever fits this drake, and if you feel the need to, for the love of god do not undock it. Ever. Armor tanking a drake is painful enough, but putting hull reps on? The only time you should use hull reps is if you're too cheap to repair your hull after the fight, key being AFTER THE FIGHT. It doens't matter what ship you have, never do it. The missiles... really? Really? Yes that needed to be repeated because of how stupid your setup is. Rarely should you ever use different types of weapons in pvp. Rockets and standard missiles on drakes are just confusing, if you feel the absolute need to fit anti-frig weapons why not put on assault missiles? However you shouldn't feel the need to, as heavy missiles and heavy assault missiles will work just fine on frigs. Sure you won't do max damage, but it will still kill them (not like they can kill a properly fitted drake anyway... Cloak on a drake, not unless you're ratting (srsly). Nerfs your scan res so bad that battleships will just giggle while they warp off before you can lock them, even though the most basic battleship would kill you anyway. The only ships that should use cloaks in pvp are as follows: ships that get bonuses to cloaks (cov ops, stealth bombers, force recons, black ops), and in certain scenarios curses and interdictors. Quote: and will shock the enemy silly with the armour and hull tanking abilities. Requoted because it had to be done. The enemy will not be shocked silly by this setup. Although I will say that this setup can probably be used in a fleet where you're the bait, and the enemy isn't paying attention because they've been laughing so hard at your setup and at how fast you melted that they don't notice your friendlies landing in belt with them. May I suggest for a drake, if you must: [Drake, PVP] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 Welcome to eve.
Kadavreski Caldari State Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.16 07:25:00 - [53] Originally by: TriIIion First, I would like to take a moment of silence to pray that you are a troll... Bad news.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.06.16 07:44:00 - [54] Originally by: TriIIion HAM Drake with lolAB and no web Oh man that's a pretty awesome counter-troll. Back to the point, the only way to make a Caldari ship useful is to fit lasers on it.
Intigo Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.16 07:45:00 - [55] Tri, he is a troll and the fit you posted is bad. Afterburner on a HAM Drake with no scrambler or web, really? Jeez.
TriIIion	Posted - 2009.06.16 07:56:00 - [56] Originally by: Intigo Tri, he is a troll and the fit you posted is bad. Afterburner on a HAM Drake with no scrambler or web, really? Jeez. I don't remember the OP mentioning that it was for solo pvp only, this is a support role. Good buffer, over 600 dps, and a point because most ships for pvp should have a point. Basically you warp in after the person is tackled, land on top of them, they're already webbed and scrammed from tackle, and you lay on the dps.
Intigo Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.16 07:57:00 - [57] Originally by: TriIIion Originally by: Intigo Tri, he is a troll and the fit you posted is bad. Afterburner on a HAM Drake with no scrambler or web, really? Jeez. I don't remember the OP mentioning that it was for solo pvp only, this is a support role. Good buffer, over 600 dps, and a point because most ships for pvp should have a point. Basically you warp in after the person is tackled, land on top of them, they're already webbed and scrammed from tackle, and you lay on the dps. And the extra tank you've fit over tackle is absolutely...useless. Afterburner is a terrible idea on a HAM Drake. You can't defend it, your fit is just bad - the only thing it would be better for is baiting. :/
TriIIion	Posted - 2009.06.16 08:00:00 - [58] Originally by: Intigo Originally by: TriIIion Originally by: Intigo Tri, he is a troll and the fit you posted is bad. Afterburner on a HAM Drake with no scrambler or web, really? Jeez. I don't remember the OP mentioning that it was for solo pvp only, this is a support role. Good buffer, over 600 dps, and a point because most ships for pvp should have a point. Basically you warp in after the person is tackled, land on top of them, they're already webbed and scrammed from tackle, and you lay on the dps. And the extra tank you've fit over tackle is absolutely...useless. Afterburner is a terrible idea on a HAM Drake. You can't defend it, your fit is just bad - the only thing it would be better for is baiting. :/ When you warp in on the person who's already tackled, why do you need a MWD? AB is plenty enough for whatever range he's managed to move in your warp time since you already fire to almost 20km with t2 dps missiles. And that buffer is plenty good on gates in low sec, you'll want at least that much for a gank while trying to tank whatever their fleet is plus gate guns.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.06.16 08:28:00 - [59] If there was a facepalm icon, I'd be posting it now. Just consider what might happen if your fantasy idealised situation changes.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.06.16 11:13:00 - [60] Originally by: TriIIion When you warp in on the person who's already tackled, why do you need a MWD? AB is plenty enough for whatever range he's managed to move in your warp time since you already fire to almost 20km with t2 dps missiles. And that buffer is plenty good on gates in low sec, you'll want at least that much for a gank while trying to tank whatever their fleet is plus gate guns. Fighting is almost never about warping to a single tackled target, pwning it and moving on. In a true fight (not simple gank where ships and fits don't actually matter making whole fitting discussion pointless) you need mobility, you don't know where your opponents will land (people tend to not sit tight waiting to be tackled and engaged at your preferred distance), you need means of keeping them in place once you get to them. Also, heavy assault range is actually not much more than web range. Think you have 20km range with rages? You're wrong. Afterburner can be valid in situations you know exactly what you are facing, for example to orbit a turret bs or to kite a blasterboat inside web range, but generally you'll be needing a mwd. Drake with mwd, web, scram, 2 invus and 1 lse in mids still has more buffer than most other BCs fitted for damage.
Radcjk Caldari Failed Diplomacy Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.16 15:07:00 - [61] Caldari boats can do fine in combat, but much like Minmatar doing fine in solo combat with a Caldari boat means having practical experience and skill points to back it. That said most of this thread needs purged with fire and acid.
Intigo Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.16 15:51:00 - [62] Originally by: Radcjk Caldari boats can do fine in combat, but much like Minmatar doing fine in solo combat with a Caldari boat means having practical experience and skill points to back it. That said most of this thread needs purged with fire and acid. How does flying a Rifter or a Rupture really take that much SP?
TriIIion	Posted - 2009.06.16 18:19:00 - [63] Originally by: Vrabac Originally by: TriIIion When you warp in on the person who's already tackled, why do you need a MWD? AB is plenty enough for whatever range he's managed to move in your warp time since you already fire to almost 20km with t2 dps missiles. And that buffer is plenty good on gates in low sec, you'll want at least that much for a gank while trying to tank whatever their fleet is plus gate guns. Fighting is almost never about warping to a single tackled target, pwning it and moving on. In a true fight (not simple gank where ships and fits don't actually matter making whole fitting discussion pointless) you need mobility, you don't know where your opponents will land (people tend to not sit tight waiting to be tackled and engaged at your preferred distance), you need means of keeping them in place once you get to them. Also, heavy assault range is actually not much more than web range. Think you have 20km range with rages? You're wrong. Afterburner can be valid in situations you know exactly what you are facing, for example to orbit a turret bs or to kite a blasterboat inside web range, but generally you'll be needing a mwd. Drake with mwd, web, scram, 2 invus and 1 lse in mids still has more buffer than most other BCs fitted for damage. I do believe I have 20km with rages, well 18.1km to be exact, but still very close like I said in my post. The cladari navy go a little over 20km, and the javelins which still do decent dps have a range of 30km. The problem with the AB can also be very easily replaced with a MWD by changing the PDS to a reactor control. I'm not here saying this is the be all end all pvp drake setup, clearly there are multiple setups that are good in different areas. I've used the AB/HAM drake setups with good results, I've also used a super tanked one and a MWD one, I was just simply offering up a drake that is alot better than 2 medium armor reps and 2 medium hull reps as a tank.
CannedWolf	Posted - 2009.06.16 18:36:00 - [64] Originally by: Death Becoming Edited by: Death Becoming on 13/06/2009 06:00:30 Edited by: Death Becoming on 13/06/2009 05:57:05 I dont understand why ppl are so mean. This is my armour tanking drake fit. DMG control II 800mm Rolled T plate Med LAR II Med LAR II Med Hull Repair II Med Hull Repair II Med Cap Booster II Med Cap Booster II Stasis Web II Warp Disruptor II Standard Missle Launcher II Standard Missle Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Heavy Assualt Launcher II Heavy Assualt Launcher II Heavy Missle Launcher II Prototype cloaking device I This ship can hit frigates, cruisers, and other BCs and will shock the enemy silly with the armour and hull tanking abilities. And unlike my friend above this will actually fit. Why would you armor tank in a Drake? Passive or active shields would seem to make more sense. Also, how do you get around the targeting penalties for mounting a cloaking device? Drake DPS is already low, what is the advantage of mounting so many different weapons?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.16 19:46:00 - [65] Serious train sarcasm lvl 1...
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:32:00 - [66] Originally by: TriIIion I do believe I have 20km with rages Where? In game or in eft? Because after several hundred kills with drake and sacrilege and also using hams on cyclone and hurricane so you can add another... dunno, say 800 kills to the figure, I learned eft range isn't real range, the hard way. The 2 armor 2 hull rep drake was a joke btw, I'm pretty sure of it. As I said, afterburner fit has it's time and place but for general purpose afterburner, and especially in conjunction with only warp disruptor (meaning no web and no scram) will be rather useless. I have problems seeing anyone not being able to get away from you. You are saying you have a tackler, but this pretty much throws fuel on the fire for the people who claim caldari suck for solo, and that absolutely isn't needed, specifically in case of drake which is an awesome solo ship.
TriIIion	Posted - 2009.06.17 00:28:00 - [67] Originally by: Vrabac Originally by: TriIIion I do believe I have 20km with rages Where? In game or in eft? Because after several hundred kills with drake and sacrilege and also using hams on cyclone and hurricane so you can add another... dunno, say 800 kills to the figure, I learned eft range isn't real range, the hard way. The 2 armor 2 hull rep drake was a joke btw, I'm pretty sure of it. As I said, afterburner fit has it's time and place but for general purpose afterburner, and especially in conjunction with only warp disruptor (meaning no web and no scram) will be rather useless. I have problems seeing anyone not being able to get away from you. You are saying you have a tackler, but this pretty much throws fuel on the fire for the people who claim caldari suck for solo, and that absolutely isn't needed, specifically in case of drake which is an awesome solo ship. Actually EFT is right, I have both missile projection V and missile bombardement V and in eve I show terror rage assaults having a velocity of 2812m/s and a flight time of 6.5 seconds, 2812 * 6.45 = 18137 (18.1km). It is correct but misleading, just because you fire when they are within 18km doens't mean it will hit them. Because the missiles have a preset flight time, so if they can outrun it long enough or burn away long enough the missile will just disappear.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.06.17 09:20:00 - [68] Originally by: TriIIion Actually EFT is right, I have both missile projection V and missile bombardement V and in eve I show terror rage assaults having a velocity of 2812m/s and a flight time of 6.5 seconds, 2812 * 6.45 = 18137 (18.1km). It is correct but misleading, just because you fire when they are within 18km doens't mean it will hit them. Because the missiles have a preset flight time, so if they can outrun it long enough or burn away long enough the missile will just disappear. LOL so EFT is right, but if target is within range it doesn't mean it will be hit. Tell me who is right and wrong here. HAMS, mwd, web. End of story tbh.

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