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Senghir
Amarr
Deep Space Security
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Senghir on 14/06/2009 16:33:18
Me and my girlfriend both play EVE, but we play somewhat intermittently.
It's coming to that time of year again where we'll go and play WoW for a bit, and I wanted to share my thoughts on why this is.
WoW holds nothing for us in the intelligent gaming aspect, most of it is a senseless grind. We dont Raid, we dont PVP, we dont farm rep. But what draws us there is the opportunity to do stuff together and explore the game content.
I noticed that this is what is lacking in EVE for us.
EVE has lots of fun things to do, and that's what brings us back for a bit each time. But I noticed what didnt keep us on EVE for long periods of time was the lack of substance.
Ultimately, there isn't much beneath the surface. It feels as if there is a lack of purpose to the game, and I think that comes from the fact that there is not much opportunity to "immerse" oneself in the world of EVE, which does seem possible in WoW.
EVE has missions, but they are exactly the same, and repeat (which sort of breaks a suspension of disbelief killing some of the main characters over and over). WoW has repetetive quests, but they are repetitive in that they are the same sort of thing, rather than exactly the same each time.
So in this sense, EVE lacks variety. Once you've run a few, that's all there is to it.
PVP can be interesting, moreso if you're part of a corp, but we still dont have a purpose to it. The only purpose I've identified is to blow other people up, just because. That's pretty much it. War seems to be made on an abritrary basis just because other people are there to be made war upon.
I think factional warfare went some way to placing a purpose behind PVP, but even that eventually lacks purpose. There's no real reward for engaging in faction PVP, and once all the fuss died down from its launch, it just became blob warfare with alliances adding to the problem out of boredom.
A lot of games have tasks that are essentially meaningless, but when this becomes apparent, a really great game has a world to fall back on that you can immerse yourself in. I think Ambulation will solve this 100% and be a truly great addition. Until then though, the identical planets, solar systems and featureless space will be an empty void to notice once the missions and PVP lose their lustre a few weeks into returning to the game.
And yes, space is obviously a vast featureless void, but since we have populated space, then variety in planets, topography, station design, in game events that actually happen (rather than just appearing as a news item) would all go a long way to providing that immersiveness that is so important in an MMORPG.
The only other issue for us is that, in a way, EVE encourages antagonistic gameplay, because there are no mechanisms in place to stop it happening. The adage of normal person + internet + mass audience = total ****wad is true. If anyone wants to disagree with that, then let me cite:
Suicide ganking
Mission griefing
Can flipping
Scamming
0.01 ISK market price warfare
Gate camping (the non-corp warfare variety)
All of these things can make the game an annoyance. A few of these can make the game rich and interesting, but as they are all so prevalent, it stops being funny and starts being upsetting.
I'm starting to run out of character space in this post now, so I'll stop here. I really just wanted to point out why we were taking the break this time, maybe to help some of the CCP guys out there in understanding players' feelings (ours at least).
We wont be gone forever, we'll definitely come back. We dont resent the game, we like it for what it is. But it's the above issues that stop us from sticking around for longer periods of time.
Hope you find it useful CCP.
- Senghir |
Alt Sauce
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:29:00 -
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Your stuff please.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:33:00 -
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And stay there.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Senghir
Amarr
Deep Space Security
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Abrazzar
And stay there.
It's idiots like the both of you that exacerbate the problem. |
Tronma
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:40:00 -
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and close the gate on your way out
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Squirrel Team
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:42:00 -
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TL;DR
You're going to play WoW because you're tired of thinking while you play a game. You want to play a game that is, by your admission mostly 'a senseless grind."
Fair enough.
EVE is an antagonistic game. The elements you describe as a problem are what make EVE. Without them, EVE becomes a lesser game.
When you're ready to re-engage your brain while playing games, we'll be here.
KB
KB |
ColdChimera
Gallente
New Eden World Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:43:00 -
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My girlfriend and I*
Not, Me and my girlfriend.
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Originally by: Ahz
The internet:
Where the men are men. The women are men. And the children are FBI.
lulz |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tronma
and close the gate on your way out
That's what the people on earth said, then the EVE gate collapsed.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Bestofworst
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:47:00 -
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I see more variety in Eve missions than I do in WoW quests. Each killquest is just a "Kill X boars" and each kill and collect is "Kill boars until you get X livers". While eve has "Destroy the docked bestower", "Destroy the research center", "Rescue the damsel". And that sort of stuff.
But hey, if you like going to WoW, go for it, see you when you come back. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Senghir
The only other issue for us is that, in a way, EVE encourages antagonistic gameplay...
Antagonistic gameplay in my EVE?  |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: ColdChimera
My girlfriend and I*
Not, Me and my girlfriend.
Ladies first after all.
I'll be honest, i didnt read it all. But from the replies and briefly skimming the middle it seems you have decided to leave eve due to the "harsh"-ness going too far in your eyes. That's your opinion (or not, i couldn't tell tbh)
Good luck in future endeavours. Bye. |
Alt lock
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:53:00 -
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I did read it all
Short version
Buff FW
walking in stations good for the game
All the antagonistic game play hurts the game.
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Petra Katell
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:55:00 -
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You go girl!
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Cyber Blue
Gallente
Cyber Blue Consulting
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:04:00 -
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Senghir, I understand fully what you are talking about. Do not let this minority of idiots bring you down. It amazes me how immature a lot of people on this forum can be.
World of Warcraft, nothing wrong with it. I am playing it right now. It is not the mindless grind I am playing it for; it is the roleplay and immersion in the world itself. There is a lot of interesting lore if people take the time to check it out.
I always come back to EVE after a while. Well, I have come back, however, how long I will stay, who knows. |
Sir Muffoon
Backdoor Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:05:00 -
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You seem to think Eve being this way is a problem.
I don't understand this post.. |
Sunsh1ne Ac1d
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:09:00 -
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Reading the OP and the answers i thought of this first... |
Athena DeCasti
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: KaarBaak
TL;DR
You're going to play WoW because you're tired of thinking while you play a game. You want to play a game that is, by your admission mostly 'a senseless grind."
Fair enough.
EVE is an antagonistic game. The elements you describe as a problem are what make EVE. Without them, EVE becomes a lesser game.
When you're ready to re-engage your brain while playing games, we'll be here.
KB
ohh man, wtf are you talking about. Thinking?. I would say that you cant really fit a ship in that many ways in eve. And how do you use THAT GRATE brain of yours when you are A: 1 vs BLOB, B: Suicided gank, C: Can flip.
It feels like the bigest BLOOOOOB wins |
Mors Magne
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:11:00 -
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I agree with the OP that ambulation will bring more (and possibly higher) purposes to the game. This is why I feel slightly frustrated that ambulation will not be in the next expansion.
However, EVE needs:
Suicide ganking
Mission griefing
Can flipping
Scamming
0.01 ISK market price warfare
Gate camping (the non-corp warfare variety)
Because:
 The freedom to do all this makes EVE great.
EVE is supposed to be a cold, harsh place (but it's not for me because I'm in a great Corp within a great Alliance).
The above PvP activity makes the game exciting for me. You learn from your mistakes - there are ways of overcoming the above PvP activity - but you have to use your intelligence (in every sense of the word). |
Sunsh1ne Ac1d
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Athena DeCasti
ohh man, wtf are you talking about. Thinking?. I would say that you cant really fit a ship in that many ways in eve. And how do you use THAT GRATE brain of yours when you are A: 1 vs BLOB, B: Suicided gank, C: Can flip.
It feels like the bigest BLOOOOOB wins
i think you should join the OP on his quest(s) |
Discrodia
Gallente
Blood Red Dawn
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Senghir
The only other issue for us is that, in a way, EVE encourages antagonistic gameplay...
Antagonistic gameplay in my EVE?
What? Nononononono..... /sarcasm
What happened, you ran around highsec with 50 faction mods in a frig and got ganked? Oh so sad  |
Senghir
Amarr
Deep Space Security
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:24:00 -
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I'll create a shorter version for those people who dont want to read the entire post. By the way, if you arent going to read the post, then why reply? Dont waste my time or yours.
Short version is we are taking a break, because the game lacks immersiveness in its world.
Another issue with EVE, but not the reason for taking another break, is the antagonism that is prevalent.
Also I've seen this on *every single* leaving or break thread. But why are so many responses centred around the person leaving because they must be finding it too complicated, or too hard, or they just cant take the PVP?
To psychologially analyse this, you're taking other people's leaving the game as a mark of your own success, even though this is not warranted.
Let me clarify for you that someone leaving the game does not signify any sort of achievement on your part. It has nothing to do with you. You aren't more accomplished, harder, tougher, or more badass.
Someone leaving EVE is leaving for their own personal reasons. In some cases (and this is going to put a bend in your epeen) because they've achieved everything they wanted from the game, and now need a new challenge. If anything, your continued attachement to the game may only signify that you have not achieved anything yet, and continue to struggle with the challenge that so many others before you finished and moved on from.
CCP if you are reading this, a lot of the replies above this one are a perfect manifestation of the mentality of many of the players of this game, and any other MMORPG. Because your game is so free (and that is a good thing in some respects), it allows this sheer idiocy to flourish. |
Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:26:00 -
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Whipped. |
Senghir
Amarr
Deep Space Security
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Senghir on 14/06/2009 17:29:08
Originally by: Cyber Blue
Senghir, I understand fully what you are talking about. Do not let this minority of idiots bring you down. It amazes me how immature a lot of people on this forum can be.
World of Warcraft, nothing wrong with it. I am playing it right now. It is not the mindless grind I am playing it for; it is the roleplay and immersion in the world itself. There is a lot of interesting lore if people take the time to check it out.
I always come back to EVE after a while. Well, I have come back, however, how long I will stay, who knows.
Yeah, never under-estimate total morons. I didn't create this thread for them, but they are an unfortunate consequence of a public forum. They are a perfect exaple of the mindless antagonism that exists in game though, and I'm glad their posts are here, simply to highlight themselves so we don't have to. |
BwanaKuu
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:30:00 -
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Yet again, the EVE community shows it's filled with quite a few *****s. I realize they exist in every community, but I seem to see them more in this one.
OMG YOU CAN'T THINK LOL STAY IN WOW LOL.
Shut up, I'm sure these people can think. You seem to think that all EVE players are some sort of superior race with oversized brains while the rest of the world are brainless idiots.
I love the game but a lot of the elitist community members **** me off.
BTW, a lot of people refer to EVE as "spreadsheets in space" among other things which is true. Different strokes for different folks people, maybe if you took a second to THINK (OMGOSH) about that idea you wouldn't be such *******s to anyone who doesn't like the game. |
Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:34:00 -
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Let me say this first: I played WoW for over 2 years, and its a fun game and although I quit before the last expansion started I do not believe its a bad game now.
That being said...
Why do you feel the need to tell us you're leaving. No one here cares, no one here knows you, and no one here will miss you. Honestly this type of post is pretty much useless because I would assume having played Eve as long as you have you UNDERSTAND how Eve players are.
Basicly this post is nothing but a gigantic waste of time, and honestly all it really does is make WoW players (like I was previously) look bad because you do nothing but add to the emo, whiner, carebear stereotype that current and ex-WoW players enjoy on this forum.
The only other option, is that you are infact so ***** WHIPPED by your girlfriend that you feel you need to justify yourself in why you have to follow her to WoW. My advice to you? Put that ***** in her place, tell her to suck it up and go have some fun in W-Space. |
Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Senghir
Stuf
You have actually summed in your peice there the reasons why most of EVE players actually like EVE i.e. its all about killin' stuff. I don't want nor do I need the RP aspects of EVE, I (and I'd say a good majority like me) just like EVE for its 'shoot peeps in the face' style. And even though it may seem mindless to you, if you've ever been in 0.0 Alliance battles you will know that the preparation and logistics that go into some of the bigger operations are pretty impressive.
In your defence FW has been a HUGE letdown (tried it and got bored mucho quickly). But anyway enjoy WoW, but remember for the white knuckle PvP experience nothing beats EVE (FW accepted OFC ).
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M0rning5tar
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane
Whipped.
This.
Also, get out and your stuff. Etc.
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Senghir
Amarr
Deep Space Security
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane
Why do you feel the need to tell us you're leaving.
I dont. This post isn't for you or the community in any way. This post is purely for CCP staff that are interested in the opinions of their players. The forums are where the staff of CCP can read the opinions of their playerbase.
The fact that you can also read my opinions is a testament to freedom of speech, and slightly unfortunate in that it attracts morons like flies to honey. |
Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:41:00 -
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the two first posts are correct im afraid
you want eve to be more like wow but as its not your going back to wow to get your fix
Suicide ganking
Mission griefing
Can flipping
Scamming
0.01 ISK market price warfare
Gate camping (the non-corp warfare variety)
all those things make eve different and great
so really your not enjoying eve so why bother go and enjoy wow more you can prolly pay for some nice hat or something with the money your going to save
and before you leave be nice and give away your crap
************ are you getting your 5 a day. |
Gevic
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:42:00 -
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Chronology of the "Hai Guize I Leave EvE cuz it/you all/everything sucks"
1. LOOK AT ME I AM IMPORTANT! I am so important that I feel the need to inform everyone that I am leaving. Cause there are no other ways of informing the people who would actually give two ****s about me leaving (like corp mail or corp forums).
2. I am leaving cause Eve SUCKS, and it sucks cause of (Etc)
3. Maybe if CCP would cater to my demands I wouldn't leave. Change it now CCP, you just lost your most important customer cause you wouldn't change these things. Change them and I will come back.
4. QQ Y EVERYONE TROLL ME!?!?!
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