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Senghir Amarr Deep Space Security	Posted - 2009.06.14 19:23:00 - [61] Originally by: Khemul Zula I stopped reading here, because if a person blatantly lies in the first sentence you can be pretty sure the rest is bull**** too. Just because you and that other guy (up a bit, maybe on page 1) dont have girlfriends, or are social misfits whatever etc, doesn't mean everyone else is the same. Anyway, her character is Telria. If you really want "proof", send her an EVE voice request. I cant promise she'll accept them all cos I know i wouldnt, but give it a shot. Read her bio for crying out loud. She collects abandoned drones to keep them happy from being left alone in space.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.06.14 19:26:00 - [62] Originally by: Senghir Originally by: Khemul Zula I stopped reading here, because if a person blatantly lies in the first sentence you can be pretty sure the rest is bull**** too. Just because you and that other guy (up a bit, maybe on page 1) dont have girlfriends, or are social misfits whatever etc, doesn't mean everyone else is the same. Anyway, her character is Telria. If you really want "proof", send her an EVE voice request. I cant promise she'll accept them all cos I know i wouldnt, but give it a shot. Read her bio for crying out loud. She collects abandoned drones to keep them happy from being left alone in space. Yes yes yes. I'm sure you are convinced. Many of them are very convincing, and the work surgeons can do now-a-days is amazing.
KaarBaak Minmatar Squirrel Team	Posted - 2009.06.14 19:26:00 - [63] There are other avenues for informing CCP of your changing interests and how CCP can accomodate them (email, petition, etc.) The only reason to post an /emoquit to the forums is to troll.
Admiral Valdore	Posted - 2009.06.14 19:30:00 - [64] I understand (to OP) what you are doing because I did it myself. before I played Eve I played WoW. The sci-fi world intrested me more so I moved to Eve. After awhile I moved back to WoW and exprienced most of BC (my favorite expansion). Once BC ended and WoTLK came around I got a good few months taste and I could not stand it so I came back to Eve, joined myself with a PvP corp, and kicked butt. I have thought a lot on the possibility of going back to WoW mainly because I played it for 3 years but everytime i think of that I just remember how easy and boring WoTLK is compared to what BC (imo) and being a new player in WoW was like. Hope that helped. -Admiral Valdore
Pilot Abilene	Posted - 2009.06.14 19:36:00 - [65] A decent and well thought out post Senghir. Although I don't agree personally with some things you wrote I can definitely relate to and understand how you feel. I always have 2-3 MMO's on the go(not WOW as I have done fantasy MMO's to death) and a hard drive full of various other games, online shooter etc for when I get bored of EVE.
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Guardian Federation	Posted - 2009.06.14 19:42:00 - [66] The OP has a point. The problem is, when everyone plays the bad boy who scams, steals, kills for no other reason than for the Killboard and because he can, then it becomes stale and pointless. That is the main reason why true piracy is dead. Why honor a ransom when you can take the ISK and still get the kill to improve your killboard stats? Why pay a ransom when you get still blown up? I enjoy the thrill and the adrenaline rush of PvP but the feeling is also getting stale because it lacks purpose. EVE is right now about blowing things up for its own sake and of course improve yourself on the almighty Killboards.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.06.14 19:48:00 - [67] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon The OP has a point. The problem is, when everyone plays the bad boy who scams, steals, kills for no other reason than for the Killboard and because he can, then it becomes stale and pointless. That is the main reason why true piracy is dead. Why honor a ransom when you can take the ISK and still get the kill to improve your killboard stats? Why pay a ransom when you get still blown up? I enjoy the thrill and the adrenaline rush of PvP but the feeling is also getting stale because it lacks purpose. EVE is right now about blowing things up for its own sake and of course improve yourself on the almighty Killboards. If you look at one rather narrow view of EVE, then yes this is true. Of course you have to ignore every other aspect of the game. Then eliminate everyone who doesn't fit that narrow view. Then add elves. It works though. <Insert sig here>
Mirime Nolwe	Posted - 2009.06.14 20:16:00 - [68] Well.. I agree on both sides of the fence. First, regarding trolls and immature users this forum is even worse then WoW forums, moderation is lacking as well. I understand and actually enjoy the freedom in the game but the forum should be better moderated, its really hard to get a serious thread with good arguments. I want to believe that the famous ômatureö playerbase of EvE its not this that most users show. Anyway.. I also agree that your post donÆt have any substance, you have other places to report what you think about the game. General Forum surely is not one of those places. I have 6 years of MMO experience, 3 of them in WoW. Those years was really great ôfunö wise and I donÆt regreat any year playing it. I did all pve content the game had to ofter till Ulduar (Yogg-Saron inclued), and for the people that never played it and like to burn the game believe me that not everyone could finish those raid instances, it requires a lot time invested, grind for consumables to boost your performance, and some skill because if not all people would kill every boss in the game. Its was not easy to coordinate 40 (25 now) people. At this moment PVE is in fact easy, a lot easier then in Vanilla WoW and Burning Crusade.. i¦m sure that every player that experienced all Bosses in BC and old WoW had a lot of fun. Still, its hard to understand how you can have fun in WoW when you donÆt Raid, PvP (arena), Grind (achievments?) How can you enjoy the game if you actually donÆt play it at all? Roleplaying? Lolà Despite loving to read the back-story of every game I always had some problems to understand the fun to ôroleplayö. Well.. If its only because the environment that WoW provides i¦m sure you can find better games to RP, I will advice Lord Of the Rings Online. You might have more fun in there. To finish, I find it really funny when the majority of people here like to bash WoW just because.. well.. I really donÆt see any reason at all when most of forum users in here behave like 16years old brats (wow stereotype???) with low self-esteem and like to think that they are special because EVE is for the ômastermindsö. Ego issues.. Newsflash, this game is not for the special people, this is in fact quite easy. The big difference is that to achieve something we need to have patience and wait till we have the skills for X or Y. But hey! Keep thinking that you are special, at least your is ego up!
Senghir Amarr Deep Space Security	Posted - 2009.06.14 20:36:00 - [69] Originally by: Mirime Nolwe I also agree that your post donÆt have any substance, you have other places to report what you think about the game. General Forum surely is not one of those places. I chose this avenue mainly because this is where a lot of the developers hang out, not just GMs (like in game). They frequently reply to some threads, and state that even if htey do not reply, they do read them. In game an email are generally for reporting issues, and reach one person, who then may or may not forward that view/issue etc. Secondly, I have actually raised opinions like this in game in the past, via the petition system to what seemed most appropriate. The advice I got was to post on the forums. In fact, the last one I posted on the forum, didnt get a response, posted in game and hten they asked if I had posted on the forum yet :) So yeah, forum is CCP suggested avenue, hence post. Nothing so dramatic as all the strange people out there are suggesting.
Doug Dread Minmatar Genius Industries	Posted - 2009.06.14 21:04:00 - [70] So the purpose of this post is to give CCP feedback eh? Now I haven't canceled a sub in a while but I am sure that there is a feedback box for you to state to CCP your reason for canceling. I call bull**** on your purpose - you just want attention.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.06.14 21:17:00 - [71] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Originally by: Anubis Xian Check out Darkfall Online, it is far better than EvE or WoW ever will be. Don't agree on this, but everyone should experience naked zerging once in their life. It isn't all like that :p
Mire Stoude Cash Money Brothers	Posted - 2009.06.14 21:37:00 - [72] No need for harsh replies, this guy isn't EMO quitting. He stated he'll probably come back and he's just taking a break. He also stated that he feels EVE lacks immersion and sense of GM designed purpose (FW, story arcs, etc).
Gun Gal	Posted - 2009.06.14 21:40:00 - [73] Edited by: Gun Gal on 14/06/2009 21:41:52 Originally by: Senghir Originally by: Abrazzar And stay there. It's idiots like the both of you that exacerbate the problem. No, its idiots like you who are the problem. EVE is total, you cannot have just the good parts. EVE is the good and the bad, and if you cannot handle it, get back to wow. WoW and EVE are TWO DIFFERENT GAMES< HOW CAN YOU BE THAT OBTUSE to think they are the same.
Senghir Amarr Deep Space Security	Posted - 2009.06.14 21:46:00 - [74] Originally by: Gun Gal No, its idiots like you who are the problem. EVE is total, you cannot have just the good parts. EVE is the good and the bad, and if you cannot handle it, get back to wow. WoW and EVE are TWO DIFFERENT GAMES< HOW CAN YOU BE THAT OBTUSE to think they are the same. What are you talking about? Where did I say EVE and WoW were the same? Are you just making stuff up to be able to argue against it?
Senghir Amarr Deep Space Security	Posted - 2009.06.14 21:48:00 - [75] Originally by: Mire Stoude No need for harsh replies, this guy isn't EMO quitting. He stated he'll probably come back and he's just taking a break. He also stated that he feels EVE lacks immersion and sense of GM designed purpose (FW, story arcs, etc). Yeah. To be honest, I'm shocked at the sheer amount of idiots here, and it's really disturbing, cos I'd like to assume they're all just <15 year olds, but some of their vocabulary and wording hints of people much older. One thing I've learned about EVE forums is, people will read hte post they want to read, and if it doesnt have the arguments in it that they want to counter, then they simple pretend they were there in the first place and start spamming posts.
Atillius	Posted - 2009.06.14 22:01:00 - [76] You're going back to WoW but admit you don't like the raids, pvp and other major components of that MMO......basically wander around the realms....for what? But then again its your $$$ mate....go enjoy. As for the follow list you made.....these are great aspects of EVE and what make the game.....I know I have done everything but the ISK and scamming thing......and I have been the victim of the same.....but its why I keep logging onto EVE. Suicide ganking (Big Target....yeah its worth what I am flying) Mission griefing (Don't Marco mission in low sec) Can flipping (Don't fall for it.....join a corp and anchor) Scamming (Be smart) 0.01 ISK market price warfare (Be smart) Gate camping (the non-corp warfare variety) (This is a Pirates way of life....its like mission running)
Cailais Amarr Diablo Advocatus	Posted - 2009.06.14 22:11:00 - [77] I think the OP makes some valid and useful points here. However I think he's addressing a problem that is generic to MMO Worlds rather than just a blunt comparison of EVE / WOW. EVE's universe is predominantly a replicated one - for example one star system is, by and large, no different to the next and the "content" (a nebulous term but it will have to do) little different excepting the comparison of W space vs K Space. WOW's 'scenery' and generic content is, at least on the surface, far more detailed and various. You can visibly notice when you shift from one game region to another for example. Both EVE and WOW suffer from the replicated 'npc' content - simply by merit of the fact that developers of large game universes can't create a sea of variety for each microcosm area: it would take too much time. The only answer is to provide the shaping tools to players themselves and allow them to 'populate' or 'seed' their own areas. Ambulation might offer some of this capability but I hope CCP are at least considering how space itself might be crafted by players into 'realms' - perhaps the power to do this; shape an area - is the most compelling reason for Sovereignty to exist. i.e the power to control the topography, nature and laws of a given area of space and the ability to wrest that power off someone else. C. Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
Doomed Predator The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.14 22:21:00 - [78] Originally by: Senghir Edited by: Senghir on 14/06/2009 16:33:18 Suicide ganking - Escorts are good if you haul valuable stuff m'kay Mission griefing - God I wish you could have a bigger profit by doing this that running missions,would be awesome Can flipping - Jetcan mining was never intended to be anyway Scamming - baaaaaaaaaaaaaw, you need an IQ above room temperature to see a scam 0.01 ISK market price warfare - but,but,but my profit backbone! Gate camping - Heaven forbid people camp gates at busy choke systems to get kills, nonono lets go have a duel,or better yet make an arena so we can pvp without risk.....(god i hope this never happens) Quote: Hope you find it useful CCP. I hope they don't even read the dribble you produced, Everything you think is wrong with the game is actually intended and it's what makes it special, you just want WoW in space. The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again
Terror Rising Death Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2009.06.14 22:37:00 - [79] That is a f**k load of text Please resize sig to a maximum file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal
Mindy Blackbriar Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.14 22:58:00 - [80] Meaning in ... life? none eve? none It seems people just want to make money in ... life? yep eve? yep There's no point to blowing people up! All it might accomplish is gaining a little more territory or money! What a terrible cycle! life? yep eve? yep See where this is going? Probably not. My second point is more of a concern then a point. I hope people don't play video games for meaning or productivity. Life is a good example of something that doesn't require meaning to have fun, EVE is simply copying life, but with spaceships and lasers!
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.06.14 23:05:00 - [81] I recently left WOW after playing 4 years doing the high level raiding, which did take some thought and skill. I played Eve a few years back and loved it but had no time for it, but now I'm here for good I hope. All the things the Op dislikes in EVE I like as this game provides a solution to them all. WOW has zero punishment for mistakes and stupidity and with the last expansion any need for thought or effort has been removed. It's like a kiddies play ground all safe and fuzzy, ultimately boring. High end raiding is largely gone now and many players like me are leaving..for games like EVE. Eve is one of the few games left that demands some thought and effort and I love that. But some of you may not know that WOW used to have high level play, more complex than some aspects of EVE and needing a lot of personal skill and game knowledge. Please do not assume all WOW players are idiots or they only like games easy, in fact for many the reverse is true. There is a lot that EVE could do which would attract more hard core players and give even more game to everyone without changing what it fundamentaly is, a merciless world. But there is a reason why things like Ambulation is not in or bugs are not fixed or ship X is broken, the subs only allow a limited number of people working for CCP. The sound has been broken for years, and other bugs I remember then are in now..same old. Please guys try not to put players off by immature posts and Ad Hominems. I always look at new games forums before I decide to try a MMORPG as it gives me a feel of the player base. And some posts in these forums are possibly the most hostile and ignorant I have ever come across. And that will affect all of us and stop this game growing if were not careful.
Gistii ambusher	Posted - 2009.06.14 23:24:00 - [82] I have 3 eve accs and a wow account... every now and then I feel like killing some stuff that isn't a hunk of metal in space... that's it. /flamesuit and thermal shielding on
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.06.15 00:31:00 - [83] I agree that Eve isn't as immersive as it could be and that PvP should be for a purpose rather than just because "i liek pvp! pewpew! lulz" or for killboard whoring. That said, I disagree that there isn't much to do in Eve. You just have to find your own things to do. Like real life, you set goals for yourself and work toward them. If you want mindless, passive theme-park style 'content', then WoW certainly has that. I may occasionally get bored and take breaks from Eve, but I can't even play traditional MMOs for longer than a month without getting bored silly. To me, an online game that relies on developer-designed content as a primary thing to do would be better as a single-player game. The reason I play an online game is because I want the majority of content to be interactions with other players--that's kind of the point. Single-player games have the benefit of being much more immersive. I'm also very much looking forward to Walking in Stations and I think it'll boost the immersiveness a lot.
Junko Togawa Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.15 03:35:00 - [84] Originally by: Bestofworst I see more variety in Eve missions than I do in WoW quests. Each killquest is just a "Kill X boars" and each kill and collect is "Kill boars until you get X livers". While eve has "Kill x LCO's", "Kill x rats", "Kill LCO's/rats until you get x mission-specific items/completion triggers". And that sort of stuff. But hey, if you like going to WoW, go for it, see you when you come back. There, I fix it for u. Is moar akkurat nao.
Bestofworst Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.15 03:38:00 - [85] Originally by: Junko Togawa Originally by: Bestofworst I see more variety in Eve missions than I do in WoW quests. Each killquest is just a "Kill X boars" and each kill and collect is "Kill boars until you get X livers". While eve has "Kill x LCO's", "Kill x rats", "Kill LCO's/rats until you get x mission-specific items/completion triggers". And that sort of stuff. But hey, if you like going to WoW, go for it, see you when you come back. There, I fix it for u. Is moar akkurat nao. Touche' Saleswoman.
Flex Carter Caldari Caldari Independant Mining Association	Posted - 2009.06.15 06:53:00 - [86] I feel your pain Senghir... Take your break, recharge and comeback with a vengeance. And don't hesitate to tell those negative posters to kiss where the Sun doesn't shine...
Solomunio Kzenig Amarr SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War	Posted - 2009.06.15 07:02:00 - [87] Originally by: Senghir Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig You have actually summed in your peice there the reasons why most of EVE players actually like EVE i.e. its all about killin' stuff. I don't want nor do I need the RP aspects of EVE, I (and I'd say a good majority like me) just like EVE for its 'shoot peeps in the face' style. And even though it may seem mindless to you, if you've ever been in 0.0 Alliance battles you will know that the preparation and logistics that go into some of the bigger operations are pretty impressive. In your defence FW has been a HUGE letdown (tried it and got bored mucho quickly). But anyway enjoy WoW, but remember for the white knuckle PvP experience nothing beats EVE (FW accepted OFC ). For that pure, mindless PVP, I play Halo, or Call of Duty. Stuff like that. Those are games that have no other objective besides being an in your face shoot fest. That's why they're FPS. EVE is not an FPS. It's marketed itself as an MMORPG, and unfortunately for you, that does mean it needs an element of RP. Where that RP is quickly diminishing, it beings to lose its substance as the immersive world it orginally intended to create. Yeah Halo and Call of Duty........tell me the consequences of dying in those eh? The penalities associated with dying in EVE are what makes its PvP content so good, and this alone makes it worthwhile. While EVE may be marketed as an MMORPG thats not its Heart and Soul; 0.0 space and the sandbox concept are the Heart and Soul of EVE, hell when EVE 1st launched its PvE content was laughable. Real immersion in EVE has allways and will allways be in the 0.0 regions among player Corps and Alliances, CCP has allways made that clear. Your character is Amarr right? Join PIE for Gods sake, they will give you all the RP and immersion you could possibly want.
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.06.15 07:10:00 - [88] in EVE, there is a piece of cake for everyone. you just need a stomach to eat it.
Haks'he Lirky Durgarnir	Posted - 2009.06.15 07:34:00 - [89] I see where you are coming from, I understand what you mean. However, the reason EVE has become what it is are the things that make it different from the cookie cutter mmo version.
Ferdio Ricotez Gallente Killer Carebears United Interstellar Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.15 08:12:00 - [90] OP, I have read your post and I can understand the way you feel. Many of my friends play WoW, and only yesterday a friend came over to my house, and we played WoW on his account. It was there that I saw how much fun the game could be in a great guild and at high levels (I personally could never get myself to levelling past lvl 32; once I got a mount all the motivation to grind further vaporised), and I am also considering to take a break from EVE and play WoW some time. But I also know I could never wave EVE goodbye, and I will return. Kudos to you. Play WoW and have fun! When you grow bored with it (and you will), EVE will still be here for you to enjoy.

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