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shenryyr
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.06.16 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: SghnDubh Edited by: SghnDubh on 16/06/2009 16:53:39
http://forum.battleclinic.com/index.php/board,42.0/Feedback.html
that's where people have been blabbering
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.16 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 16/06/2009 19:49:09
Originally by: Lymitz Edited by: Lymitz on 15/06/2009 10:53:51 Edited by: Lymitz on 15/06/2009 10:53:35 How do you feel about it?
Battleclinic
It's a piece of crap - i've moved onto eve-kill myself, not like their gonna listen to us though.
The interface is very difficult to navigate, it's very diffcult to distinguish text because of the new colours, buttons are not intuitive and not all of the stats are displayed. --- I smack just for myself.
* Your signature file is to large. Please note: we do not allow signature files larger than 24000 bytes - Fallout |
Soeniss Delazur
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.16 20:13:00 -
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The Ship/Pilot/module search motor does not work. Type "moros" and see what you get out of the loadouts section... |
El'Tar
Caldari Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.06.16 20:47:00 -
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I think it's a lot better, there are some problems but they should be easily addressed |
AtheistOfDoom
Amarr The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.17 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Guardian Decsendent hate it
And then, he killed the dog... |
Gre3n
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Posted - 2009.06.17 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Too brite. I hate sites that still cast a shadow of your body on the wall in a well lit room.
This |
Kiryai
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Posted - 2009.06.17 10:19:00 -
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just rip this
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.06.18 02:13:00 -
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Terrible, what the hell have you done? For example in the old site, I could look up a character or corporation to see stats. The search engine now only seems to point to the forum.
Please tell me what combination of clicky click do I have to perform now to get anywhere near that functionality.
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SghnDubh
BattleClinic
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Posted - 2009.06.18 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Karma Terrible, what the hell have you done? For example in the old site, I could look up a character or corporation to see stats. The search engine now only seems to point to the forum.
Please tell me what combination of clicky click do I have to perform now to get anywhere near that functionality.
eve.battleclinic.com > killboard > search
Demonstration: eve.battleclinic.com > killboard > search > Lady Karma > Unable to locate any matches for your search terms.
Post with your main?
Tell me please how this is not desired functionality? |
SghnDubh
BattleClinic
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Posted - 2009.06.18 03:58:00 -
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Edited by: SghnDubh on 18/06/2009 03:59:40
Originally by: Soeniss Delazur The Ship/Pilot/module search motor does not work. Type "moros" and see what you get out of the loadouts section...
User error.
Here's the image of the results:
and the raw url for CCP's goofy homegrown forum: http://www.battleclinic.com/SghnDubh/moros.jpg
Moros with no other filters returned 10 loadouts under "moros" ...
. Timecodes: http://shop.BattleClinic.com
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RiotRick
Black-Sun Pitch Black Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.18 07:41:00 -
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I like the new look. Much better than what it was. Only thing I ran into was that I can't search loadouts for a specific ship anymore. The searchbox on top doesn't seem to do anything. At least in Firefox 3. |
Jebba IV
Vale Tudo. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.18 12:06:00 -
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It seriously burns my rods & cones in my retina. I don't spend to much time out in the sun viewing battleclinic, its usually dark at night at midnight and that burns my eyeballs out. |
Denny Haze
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: SghnDubh
We're in beta, and we're making changes based on feedback.
Yet we still have to register to view the killboard. Shoulda been one of the first things fixed. "It's intended" will never be accepted. Well, now you're too curious not to click me |
SghnDubh
BattleClinic
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: SghnDubh on 18/06/2009 14:36:53
Originally by: RiotRick I like the new look. Much better than what it was. Quote:
Thanks...
Quote: Only thing I ran into was that I can't search loadouts for a specific ship anymore. The searchbox on top doesn't seem to do anything. At least in Firefox 3.
See post about 3 above this one, mate. Timecodes: http://shop.BattleClinic.com
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SghnDubh
BattleClinic
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Denny Haze
"It's intended" will never be accepted.
I wish I could see the world and all the reasons for doing things in it, in such clear-cut terms as 'never' and 'always'. Seeing things inside the bigger picture appears to be dead in this one, Jim.
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Niryai
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Niryai on 18/06/2009 14:58:48 EDIT: Snip |
Denny Haze
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.18 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: SghnDubh
Originally by: Denny Haze
"It's intended" will never be accepted.
I wish I could see the world and all the reasons for doing things in it, in such clear-cut terms as 'never' and 'always'. Seeing things inside the bigger picture appears to be dead in this one, Jim.
Not gonna cut it. Well, now you're too curious not to click me |
Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.06.18 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 18/06/2009 16:22:41 In an effort to provide more constructive feedback than "poor in more respects than I care to mention" (as per my previous remark), these are my 2 cents.
First and foremost, your new design does not relate to the esthetics of EVE. I'm not familiar with Jumpgate Evolution or Star Trek Online, but at a glance they don't look anything like the new BattleClinic either. This doesn't make sense to me. As a website that caters to these games, you should make an effort to resemble their identity.
Your new design is too white. Not only does it go a long way to distinguish BattleClinic from the visual profiles of the aforementioned games; it leaves people inclined to avoid it under the conditions games are typhically played (in dark rooms).
Another issue I have with the design is how it attempts to emphasize everything at once, and as such fails to emphasize anything at all. It's a common misconception to think of a front page as a medium to present everything the website has to offer, however this leaves visitors bewildered. In the case of your new design, poor typohraphy and lacking white-space contributes to the confusion. For instance, I'm more inclined to read this than this.
See this for more... if you dare! |
Kyguard
Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.06.18 18:43:00 -
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Griefwatch was cool then Battleclinic took it over.
Griefwatch is now absolute **** with all its new "fitting layouts how cool guys?" and other crap they keep putting on. The scam "upgrade to lifetime if you want to export mails" was just the plate of the cake. |
SghnDubh
BattleClinic
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Posted - 2009.06.19 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Caelum Dominus Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 18/06/2009 16:48:11
In an effort to provide more constructive feedback than "poor in more respects than I care to mention" (as per my previous remark), these are my 2 cents.
I respect the effort you took to add your thoughts and diagrams.
It's been requested in other places that we add a dark background option to the body, which we're working on.
Your thoughts about aesthetics and identity relationship are interesting. Each publisher got a 'sneak peek' at their game's new homepage, and each returned high praise. The artwork along the sides and header better conveys to the player where they are and what game they're referencing. I think there's plenty of space ships and space scenes along the sides; I mean, thats pretty hard to miss, mate.
Did you know that you can choose your own EVE theme? Look in "my profile." All 4 races are there.
I think giving players a choice over which EVE race they'd like to see is pretty closely related to EVE's aesthetics.
If you closely compare say gamespot, tentonhammer, or 1up's homepage to ours, you'll find ours cleaner and more straightforward. We are not--and have never been--solely devoted to EVE, even though we love the game and will play it until global warming melts Iceland and the servers sink.* It's very easy to see and navigate to the games we support. Frankly, isn't your charge of "fail to emphasize anything at all" rather an overstatement? What's the clearest navigational element on the page? The 3 tabs, right in the middle of the page. A simple list-- very powerful.
The eve.battleclinic.com game homepage is much easier to navigate than the old site, too. You can see and go right to the most popular features with one or two clicks, instead of hunting through forum stickies and 10-item-deep menus like the old site had.
Finally, two small things: One, I think web designers may not give enough credit to users who understand how to use the browser's function to increase font size. Two, the diagram you posted seems to me to boil down to personal style choices, rather than an awareness of the current design tenets that you see with other major game sites. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the time you took, and maybe a pixel here and there could shift a bit.
Since you've done web design professionally (right?), you understand how much effort goes into building complex and powerful systems, and the priorities you have to set. I think it's important to look at the awesome new killboard and incredibly powerful new loadout system and realize we're prioritizing our limited resources to keep enhancing those. I mean, you haven't actually paid anything to use BattleClinic, right? Let's face it, you sound like you've built stuff, unlike idiot immediately above this post who I think is writing from his prison cell. We'll give you the choice of a darker background, and then let's figure out--maybe together?--how we can write cool new tools for EVE players.
* yes i know the servers are in london it. was. a. joke.
. Timecodes: http://shop.BattleClinic.com
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.06.19 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Karma on 19/06/2009 02:30:16 Congrats on following the CCP model of :rolleyes: customer service.
It's obviously user error, nothing to do with your site at all
Considering there was very little wrong with your website previously, why did you feel the need to completely redo it, making it far worse that it was? |
SghnDubh
BattleClinic
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Posted - 2009.06.19 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Karma Edited by: Lady Karma on 19/06/2009 02:30:16 rabble rabble troll stuff rabble rabble...Considering there was very little wrong with your website previously, why did you feel the need to completely redo it, making it far worse that it was?
Flamebait. /ignore
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AtheistOfDoom
Amarr The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.19 04:14:00 -
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Edited by: AtheistOfDoom on 19/06/2009 04:15:40
Originally by: SghnDubh
Originally by: Lady Karma Edited by: Lady Karma on 19/06/2009 02:30:16 rabble rabble troll stuff rabble rabble...Considering there was very little wrong with your website previously, why did you feel the need to completely redo it, making it far worse that it was?
Flamebait. /ignore
It was fine, as is obvious from this thread a lot of people (including myself) don't like the new format. The color/navigation/loadouts/killboard of the other one were fine, now it's crap. And then, he killed the dog... |
SghnDubh
BattleClinic
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Posted - 2009.06.19 06:13:00 -
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Quote:
It was fine, as is obvious from this thread a lot of people (including myself) don't like the new format. The color/navigation/loadouts/killboard of the other one were fine, now it's crap.
Get your eyes checked mate.
http://www.battleclinic.com/SghnDubh/ad.jpg
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
BTW congrats on your success, you seem like a good pilot. 86,000 other people will follow your mad skillz on BattleClinic. Will you?
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.06.19 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 19/06/2009 07:19:16 I'm glad I didn't come across as an arrogant ****. I was concerned that I might.
Originally by: SghnDubh Your thoughts about aesthetics and identity relationship are interesting. Each publisher got a 'sneak peek' at their game's new homepage, and each returned high praise. The artwork along the sides and header better conveys to the player where they are and what game they're referencing. I think there's plenty of space ships and space scenes along the sides; I mean, thats pretty hard to miss, mate.
There's more to design than pictures. While it would certainly make my life easier, this doesn't magically transform facebook into a website related to all things spaceship.
Originally by: SghnDubh I think giving players a choice over which EVE race they'd like to see is pretty closely related to EVE's aesthetics.
"Choice" != "Aesthetics". It's a nice touch, but as previously illustrated background pictures can only do so much.
Originally by: SghnDubh If you closely compare say gamespot, tentonhammer, or 1up's homepage to ours, you'll find ours cleaner and more straightforward. We are not--and have never been--solely devoted to EVE, even though we love the game and will play it until global warming melts Iceland and the servers sink.* It's very easy to see and navigate to the games we support. Frankly, isn't your charge of "fail to emphasize anything at all" rather an overstatement? What's the clearest navigational element on the page? The 3 tabs, right in the middle of the page. A simple list-- very powerful.
It may be cleaner, but the lack of white space still leaves me with the impression that you've tried to cram as much content as humanly possible onto the front page. I don't know where to look. Recent Loadouts, Recent Kills, Announcements & Contests, Recent Forum Posts, Deep Space Supply, Tools & Resources... it's all presented as though it was equally important, however I'm sure you'll agree it's more likely that a visitor is looking for either loadouts or the killboard. As such, the design should place emphasis on these elements.
Originally by: SghnDubh Finally, two small things: One, I think web designers may not give enough credit to users who understand how to use the browser's function to increase font size. Two, the diagram you posted seems to me to boil down to personal style choices, rather than an awareness of the current design tenets that you see with other major game sites. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the time you took, and maybe a pixel here and there could shift a bit.
Oh, sure - some points are (too) subjective. Others, however, like the sorely missed white-space and presenting ten words worth of "contact" and "about us", are not. Keep in mind that while you may be approaching the design tenets of major game sites, this isn't necessarily a good thing.
Originally by: SghnDubh Since you've done web design professionally (right?), you understand how much effort goes into building complex and powerful systems, and the priorities you have to set. I think it's important to look at the awesome new killboard and incredibly powerful new loadout system and realize we're prioritizing our limited resources to keep enhancing those. I mean, you haven't actually paid anything to use BattleClinic, right? Let's face it, you sound like you've built stuff, unlike idiot immediately above this post who I think is writing from his prison cell. We'll give you the choice of a darker background, and then let's figure out--maybe together?--how we can write cool new tools for EVE players.
It's what I do (see EVE Arena and FRKT). I'm not sure that requiring registration is enchancing these sections, but you make a valid point. I'm obviously being way too picky for a project in which design is not the highest priority, and rightfully so |
AtheistOfDoom
Amarr The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.20 04:31:00 -
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Edited by: AtheistOfDoom on 20/06/2009 04:33:45
Originally by: SghnDubh
Quote:
It was fine, as is obvious from this thread a lot of people (including myself) don't like the new format. The color/navigation/loadouts/killboard of the other one were fine, now it's crap.
Get your eyes checked mate.
http://www.battleclinic.com/SghnDubh/ad.jpg
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BTW congrats on your success, you seem like a good pilot. 86,000 other people will follow your mad skillz on BattleClinic. Will you?
YAY for subjectivity. Either way my opinion is still that the previous one was better. Also I think your numbers are off, I doubt I've lost a billion.
PS: posting large images in the forum is ****ing annoying. And then, he killed the dog... |
Htrag
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.06.20 19:36:00 -
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Honestly I think it sucks.
I can't be bothered to list specific issues, because there are too many.
I'm optimistic it can be refined a bit.
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Flinx Evenstar
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.21 00:43:00 -
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Was there some kind of fallout between the previous designer of battle clinic and the current owner?
It's a pretty drastic change, and with replies from SghnDubh like "get your eyes checked mate" one can only speculate as to how harmonious working on that site must be.
Since you made a thread asking for feedback, maybe you should read some of it. Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
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Denny Haze
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Posted - 2009.06.21 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Denny Haze on 21/06/2009 11:00:35 Impossible not to agree with the above post. so far the OP hasn't shown any desire for feedback, and has been a complete tard about it, when offered any. Fairly certain to assume, that if anyone ever encounters issues with the site, and files a bug report, or asks for advice about it the answer they'll get is "You're doing it wrong," or "You suck at this!" Something along the lines of
Originally by: SghnDubh
User error.
Well, now you're too curious not to click me |
Holy Cheater
Monks of War
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Posted - 2009.06.22 06:28:00 -
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I feel that involved parties in killmails not sorted by damage done is close to an epic fail.
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