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Wacktopia
Infinity Miners Union
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.07.01 13:03:00 -
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No support. Cloaking is an important game mechanic and works well as it is. Making it possible to scan for cloaked ships is the wrong way to go about it.
Titan pilots need a way of going afk (e.g to sleep) without the risk of it being probed and destroyed while the pilot is away and unable to fight back.
If you're worried about one SB disrupting a whole system then you need more buddies in system with anti-SB ships.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.28 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 28/07/2009 12:06:28
Cloaky ships are far from invulnerable:
http://www.ushrakhan.com/alliance/edk/?&scl_id=16
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Slave 2739FKZ
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Posted - 2009.07.28 12:35:00 -
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Standard cloaks = I would support, but covert op cloacks should stay as they are.
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Laxyr
Chamsin Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.28 13:03:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Laxyr on 28/07/2009 13:03:10
Conventional Cloaks AND cov ops cloack should be scannable.. although it should take a considerable amount of time for the last one.
Let me tell you why. It's become a fairly regular "tactic" in 0.0 to take a bunch of recon ships/bombers, move to a hostile system and stay there 'till judgement day.
You can do nothing about a red recon gang sitting in your backyard that's only 3 hours active per day and afk for the rest.
Even if it takes half an hour to do it --> cov ops cloaks should be scannable.
CCP promised us 2 or 3 years ago that they would make non-cov ops ships, that are using a cloaking device, scannable..... so either it is hard to implement or they quickly disregarded that idea..
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.28 13:38:00 -
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Funny how PvPers and pirates bash on carebears the second they want some aspect of PvP nerfed, but that they are the biggest whiners when something affects their own little world. 
I'll say what you keep telling carebears when they whine about anything: Learn how to live with it! There's no such thing as free lunch!
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Kiri Serrensun
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Posted - 2009.07.28 14:38:00 -
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Just so you know, nobody believes you when you say you want this to valiantly fight the evil macro zombies. Not supported.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.07.28 14:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar
Funny how PvPers and pirates bash on carebears the second they want some aspect of PvP nerfed, but that they are the biggest whiners when something affects their own little world.
I'll say what you keep telling carebears when they whine about anything: Learn how to live with it! There's no such thing as free lunch!
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Orb Lati
Minmatar
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.30 01:37:00 -
[38]
/not supported
I would prefer that cloaks just required some form of fuel (or used / gimped cap regen)
"We worship Strength because it is through strength that all other values are made possible" |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.30 23:36:00 -
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Not supported.
A cloaked ship cannot do much except look around - and that's assuming a covops. All non-covops cloaked ships cannot do anything.
Most of the desire to "fix" cloaking like this comes from people who just HAVE TO HAVE that killmail, the sort that will camp a station for days waiting for someone to undock. A cloaked ship in "their" system makes them go into Jan Brady mode and it's the easiest form of griefing this type, to be cloaked and just sit there.
The better way is to remove local, so they won't know anything is there at all. That will help them.
Of course it might seem like it makes things worse to leave cloaking alone and get rid of local, but then, the Jan Bradys and killmail addicts may actually experience the same feeling that everybody they target is already feeling. And that would be a good thing.
Leave cloaking alone, get rid of local.
And if that's not good, then don't undock.
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Mashashige
Minmatar
Eternal Perseverance Flight School
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Posted - 2009.07.31 12:47:00 -
[40]
Not supported.
I know the feeling of having coverts hiding in your system, and not being able to do anything about it - but ****ing up with cloaks mechanics is just not the solution. There are the ingame, and utterly annoying/bpring options of constant bubble gatecamps/baiting/constant home def fleet ready for action/ ignoring the reds - it might suck balls, but you can combat the cloakers.
What I would agree on, is when 0.0 finally goes delayed local (if it ever happens), you could have POS scanning arrays that locate cloakers with a 10min cooldown or some such mechanics. But until then, just learn to deal with cloakers.
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.07.31 12:59:00 -
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Cloak is its own counter.
How many times do nerf cloak threads have to be kicked into touch before you people get the message
for the 5,000th time NO
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.31 14:50:00 -
[42]
Remove local, problem solved... hell many problems solved |
Zwielichtseher
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Posted - 2009.07.31 19:17:00 -
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I like the idea of "Cloaking-fuel"
So Co***s can become a rolebonus that reducing the fuel amount needet for cloak and stay cloaked (for example 1 "cloakfuel") and other ships like a BS will need a huge amount of fuel (100 "cloakfuel).
So the fuel wouldnŠt take much cargo in cov-ops and SBŠs but much cargo in other not specialized ships like Macroravens.
I realy think this would solve the "cloaker-problem" and wouldnt hit the cov-ops and SBŠs very hard^^
Just my opinion^^
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AtheistOfDoom
Amarr
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.07.31 19:23:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri
Not supported. Not everyone who uses a cloak is a macro ratter. Cloaks are already balanced.
this. not supported.
Pew Pew Lazorz!!! |
Bobbeh
Minmatar
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.01 08:04:00 -
[45]
Not supported Cloaks are Cloaks! and that shouldnt change
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.08.01 08:22:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Bobbeh
Not supported Cloaks are Cloaks! and that shouldnt change
This.
~ Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic |
King Rothgar
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.01 12:08:00 -
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Put null sec into delayed local mode like w-space. Problem solved. I'm a chronic afk cloaker. I don't do it to grief people, I have to do it because everyone docks the instant I enter system. I have to sit there afk for hours for them to think I'm just a scout and come back out before I can attack. Get rid of local and both my and their waiting goes away. I can hurry up and make my attack and regardless of the attack's success everyone can move on faster.
Ultimately this is really an argument over whether or not a single or small gang of attackers should be able to do damage. I say yes. The game should allow terrorism, crime and sabotage. Not every fight need to be a fully consensual 400 vs 400 lag fest. In fact, those are stupid. I fully support putting a hard limit of 10 people per system except for trade hubs.
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VaL Iscariot
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Posted - 2009.08.01 13:23:00 -
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zzz. this is all a bunch of crap.
1. If your able to scan a cloaked ship then ccp will have to put a station in every system so everyone will have a place to hide if they so choose.
2. WHY CAN'T YOU JUST BE HAPPY THE WAY THINGS ARE!?! If you can't find the bomber, YOU SUCK. If you think one bomber on your turf is the end of the world, you need to find a new game.
Everyone knows what this is about. Keeping people out of low and null sec. If they have no way to hide then they're doomed. More people will end up hiding in empire thus letting the select few absorb all the riches of null. In the end it boils down to isk. Not every person that rat's is a macro. I've made a lot of isk killing rats but as soon as anyone comes to they system i'm in, I hide. I don't have the assets to lose a battleship on a whim and my corp doesn't have the inferstructure to replace it for me.
Leave the cloak alone and stick to greifing hulks.  |
Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.08.01 18:51:00 -
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Honesty, wtf would be the purpose on having a cloak if people can find u, its alredi balanced enough, ur speed, scan res and locking range gets gimped. Covert ops cloaks are 10mil a pop and can only be fit to certain ships.
Just coz there's a guy cloaked up u can't kill doesent mean the cloaks are unbalanced.
100% unsupported and would classify this as a whine thread
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Raukho
Evoke.
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2009.08.02 06:31:00 -
[50]
never it would be another buf to carebears
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Xorth Adimus
The Perfect Storm
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.08.02 14:17:00 -
[51]
I say this as a pilot who uses cloaks allot on recons/covert ops/ dictors
Ships fitted with cloaks should be eventually probe-able with good skills in covert ops (ONLY) with the probability based on the ships sig radius. T2 cloakers should be harder to find.
If a ship is cloaked and slow/stationary it should then be possible to decloak them and kill them. Sitting AFK in a cloaked large ship should be risky, not lol. Give us the ability to kill macro ratters/miners and solo titans more effectivly for you CCP!
Ships using covert ops cloaks should be harder to find and since they can move at a reasonable speed/ able to warp cloaked very difficult to catch unless cloaked stationary and afk for 2 hours like a muppet. 
I believe this would add more excitement to the game and require more skill with people working together to be safe or indeed find targets. 
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:59:00 -
[52]
supported
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Borntorule
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Posted - 2009.08.02 23:56:00 -
[53]
fuel idea rules!!!! |
Carniflex
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.08.10 08:12:00 -
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Simeon Whiteheaven
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Posted - 2009.08.10 08:21:00 -
[55]
No, cloaking should remain as it is now.
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Cyrus Doul
Nictus Astartes
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Posted - 2009.08.10 10:36:00 -
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for you guys who dont like his scanny idea but like fuel idea.
click and thumb here
dun wanna kill your thread really yue but it seemed enough of a difference to merit its own thing.
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ninjaholic
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.10 12:01:00 -
[57]
Leave cloaks alone!
>>> SUPPORT EVE's OWN IN-GAME FIGHT RECORD TOOL! <<<
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Black Sunder
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Posted - 2009.08.10 15:03:00 -
[58]
Not supported at all. I also do not support the fuel idea.
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Karentaki
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.10 15:42:00 -
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Not supported. If you're too paranoid/inept to rat with a single cloaked afk hostile in system, then that's your problem.
Quote:
EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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Stil Harkonnen
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Posted - 2009.08.10 16:35:00 -
[60]
i logged all the way in cause i had to say NO to this
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