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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.16 22:09:00 -
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this is quite lame tbh.... your name wasnt offensive... gl getting another, and yes it is brand ruining...
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.06.16 22:17:00 -
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/me wonders who was really offended by "taiwanese nationalist" |
Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.06.16 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 16/06/2009 22:26:05
Quote: this is quite lame tbh.... your name wasnt offensive... gl getting another, and yes it is brand ruining...
To you it might not've been. What about someone forced into that industry as a slave, or with relatives they've never seen because they were forced into it in a similar way?
PS, not saying that particular industry isn't bad, but there are a couple bad eggs. Certainly I wasn't offended with the name, but it's very easy to understand why someone would be offended. And in the world of the running a business (which CCP does), what's the damage of one PO'ed player who gets his name changed, versus the damage of numerous players who hear about the name not being changed after the petitioner goes to the forum looking for like minds.
Oh yeah, Backdoor Bandit probably isn't changed because nobodies petitioned it. I'm sure you could do it. |
Drexciyian
The Water Margin
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Posted - 2009.06.16 22:26:00 -
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lol comon what did you expect? surprised it lasted this long, guess the writing was on the wall once you made this forum post meaning mods will actually see it |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.06.16 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador For a second I was confused, thought the post was by Amarr Citizen 155
Ugh, now we have two of them wandering around MD. This could get confusing. Petition back to get the names changed to 'LoveTrader' ? |
21 Salvager
Minmatar We are Live
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Posted - 2009.06.16 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Petition back to get the names changed to 'LoveTrader' ?
Or SexyTrader (SexxyTrader, Sexy Trader, etc.) whatever is available. |
Dzil
Caldari Space Whales is SRS BIZNESS
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Posted - 2009.06.16 23:41:00 -
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<-- Goes down in flame as some Van Diesel fanboy/hater gets ahold of petition system.
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HawkBlade
Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.06.16 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Drexciyian lol comon what did you expect? surprised it lasted this long, guess the writing was on the wall once you made this forum post meaning mods will actually see it
Don't blame the moderators in the least. Truly this was someone who felt like diddling himself reporting the name Sex Trader. There is nothing inherently wrong with the word sex or trader or with the combining of them. Especially in a totally sexless environment such as Eve. However I would petition the change and escalate it up as such changes have been reversed before. (CBA to look it up but a Dev had to get involved in one name change in the past.) This is nothing more than someone making fools of the GM's by misapplying American Puritan Ethics. It is, grief by whine.
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HawkBlade
Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.06.17 00:12:00 -
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Okay, I lied. I faintly remembered back when this kind of thing happened before so I did some research. Originally by: kieron Recently, the names of two player corporations were changed as the result of petitions filed by players. The changes resulted in an amount of controversy, forum posts, petitions, and IRC discussion.
The name change applied to the corporation SAS was done mistakenly and will be reverted. The change was applied without consultation of GMs in the position to make such a decision.
Full blog here. Originally by: CCP Oveur This was all a result of breach of procedures, communication failures, lack of understanding and last but not least, a case which demonstrates that the universe we live in is complicated, and what can be a proud symbol for one person can also be considered blatantly offensive by someone else.
An ironic example is right in front of me. The biggest hot-dog manufacturer in Iceland is called 'SS', short for Slaturfelag Sudurlands. I don't find it offensive, but I know a number of people do. However, they are just two letters and we can't simply ban two letters combined ... or can we? Should we stop there perhaps? I believe you see where this is going.
I apologize for our bad handling of the situation, and I apologize to the people that may feel the name is offensive. However, I would like to point out that the world is getting smaller every day, and we surely can't protect everyone from seeing an acronym that they might consider offensive.
Full blog here. I quoted what I thought were salient portions, of course, however the point, dilemma, and solution still remains the same. CCP can not police all names so they only respond when someone complains. When someone complains it appears CCP handles this as if the petitioner is acting in "good faith". This can lead to grief by GM situations. The solution is that when people ask for their name back allowances should be made unless there is some "obvious" offensive words (or wording) used. Mind you, I've gotten in trouble using the word "sperm" around here. The word is not offensive but didn't stop someone pretending to be an unsexed Quaker about the matter. (And who are we kidding?) |
Joss Sparq
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.17 03:24:00 -
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To be honest I've been wondering how long "Sex Trader" would last until this happened - I think that a name like that was obviously going to cause trouble, once it was noticed. I can see the silly side of this, but at the same time I view the poster as being in the same situation as any other player who engages in PvP with a "lol fitted" ship - you set yourself up to be knocked down.
Originally by: HawkBlade Mind you, I've gotten in trouble using the word "sperm" around here.
I'll see your sperm and raise you an ovum!
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2009.06.17 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Estel Arador For a second I was confused, thought the post was by Amarr Citizen 155
Ugh, now we have two of them wandering around MD. This could get confusing. Petition back to get the names changed to 'LoveTrader' ?
No we don't have two of "them" wondering around MD. I am a badass, he obviously got caught trading sex.
Also, why does he only have 1 space in his name? I thought when they changed your name like that it created 2 spaces? I wouldn't know or anything but I heard it was that way. Sometimes people get disappointed. |
4 LOM
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.06.17 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq To be honest I've been wondering how long "Sex Trader" would last until this happened - I think that a name like that was obviously going to cause trouble, once it was noticed. I can see the silly side of this, but at the same time I view the poster as being in the same situation as any other player who engages in PvP with a "lol fitted" ship - you set yourself up to be knocked down.
I agree, Sex Trader is not offensive to me personaly. But it does not take a highly experianced detective to realize that some people would find the name offenseive.. All i can say is what did you expect?
You picked a name you knew would offened someone probably because it would offened someone. While i agree its not offensive to me or most people, i cant find a reason for this name to be chosen other then the fact it would offened some poeple. |
YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.06.17 05:35:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 17/06/2009 05:35:46
Originally by: Amarr citizen29879
my name is a lot more than just a name to me,
-sex
Yes, yes, it's also a business and a way of life... now run *****, run. |
Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.06.17 06:15:00 -
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Escalate it. If they still don't change it try to get the name of petitioner off them and wardec it to hell and back. I mean ... with enough isk there is no major problems getting merccorp wardec person (following it around and killing it) for few years. |
Joss Sparq
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.17 08:04:00 -
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If you're unhappy with the decision made by the Game Moderator then you should probably escalate the petition further.
I believe you can request a new name to replace the current ... alternative to your previous identity. However, don't expect to get the name of whomever petitioned your original name - assuming that is, it was petitioned and not actioned by someone with authority to do so and who also saw your thread/posts on the forum. |
Sun Ra
Culture Breach
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Posted - 2009.06.17 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: Drexciyian lol comon what did you expect? surprised it lasted this long, guess the writing was on the wall once you made this forum post meaning mods will actually see it
Don't blame the moderators in the least. Truly this was someone who felt like diddling himself reporting the name Sex Trader. There is nothing inherently wrong with the word sex or trader or with the combining of them. Especially in a totally sexless environment such as Eve. However I would petition the change and escalate it up as such changes have been reversed before. (CBA to look it up but a Dev had to get involved in one name change in the past.) This is nothing more than someone making fools of the GM's by misapplying American Puritan Ethics. It is, grief by whine.
Either way ive seen the name around for ages in contracts but soon as he posted here someone was bound to report, are u the main btw ? |
Deitis Montage
The third party
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Posted - 2009.06.17 12:04:00 -
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I understand the hurt it can cause when someone changes your name - it can destroy your business. But did you not think that sooner or later this was bound to happen?
Originally by: HawkBlade There is nothing inherently wrong with the word sex or trader or with the combining of them. Especially in a totally sexless environment such as Eve.
Personally, I could not disagree more. HawkBlade the words 'Sex Trader' imply that this relates to the 'Sex Trade' industry of real life. Sex trading is a massive issue in the balkan region in the mediterranean (Europe, particularly the Croatia/Serbia region. You may not have noticed but there is a massive player base from that area and for many this is a touchy subject.
Particularly the part where you said 'a total sexless environment such as eve'. Everyone in the game is from real life and if they have ever had anyone in the family forced into the sex trade (or god forbid them themselves) then the last thing they want is to be reminded of this horrible reality when playing a sci-fi space game thats designed to take them away from real life troubles.
Regards, Deitis |
RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.17 12:17:00 -
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more than likely an ingame petition... however you can see it is sex trader as some of the previous enteries of postings have been edited by sex trader,
A petition may get it back.... |
Dzil
Caldari Space Whales is SRS BIZNESS
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Posted - 2009.06.17 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: HawkBlade [Mind you, I've gotten in trouble using the word "sperm" around here. The word is not offensive but didn't stop someone pretending to be an unsexed Quaker about the matter. (And who are we kidding?) [/justify]
Petitioning to rename this corp "Sperm Whales are SRS BIZNESS"
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.17 13:26:00 -
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You could always just go with Gallente Trader
....more or less the same thing |
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Saehta
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.06.17 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Deitis Montage
Personally, I could not disagree more. HawkBlade the words 'Sex Trader' imply that this relates to the 'Sex Trade' industry of real life. Sex trading is a massive issue in the balkan region in the mediterranean (Europe, particularly the Croatia/Serbia region. You may not have noticed but there is a massive player base from that area and for many this is a touchy subject.
send Liam Neeson at em imo |
eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Posted - 2009.06.17 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: eVaLF on 17/06/2009 13:52:59 Being in the Military I can understand why it can be considered more than just what you meant it to be.
Sex Trader can be considred the act of trafficing "persons" as well. Which would be considred highly offensive to some, while others may never even think about it.
So yes I can understand CCP banning this name as bad as it may suck, and should have probably been caught a lot sooner.
Edit: Reason I say military is because we get training on it 4 times a year. |
Elite Contract
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Posted - 2009.06.17 14:05:00 -
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Confirming that i petitioned the offensive name.
Suck it Amarr citizen29879 |
Joss Sparq
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.17 14:07:00 -
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Also, I'be been resisting this up until now:
Originally by: HawkBlade Especially in a totally sexless environment such as Eve.
Have you seen a Thorax? |
SencneS
Amarr Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.06.17 14:24:00 -
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All this talk about Slaves and how young girls are traded for sex is kinda pointless. Because the game has a Race in it called the Amarrian Race, which actually promotes Slavery. Given the religious background of the Amarr this would also promote pedophilia most likely with the Slaves they own.
So everyone should consider the fact that an Amarr called Sex Trader is actually more in line with the Story and Parameters that CCP has laid out in the very game they banned the name in the first place.
I honestly am wondering if it has to do more with the ESRB then anything else. Because if it is, are the Amarrian race about to have a change of heart and denounce their Slave holding ways? I hope not because honestly even though I don't really care about the story line. I would be highly disappointed if some third party snobbish prude company claiming they know what's best for everyone else in the world, changed a game that is targeted toward middle aged men with political and financial real life agendas. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.17 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS All this talk about Slaves and how young girls are traded for sex is kinda pointless.
Since when?
... I keed I keed |
Bonhomme Carnaval
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Posted - 2009.06.17 14:40:00 -
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Petition about it and tell them you roleplay a doctor specialized in sex changes, hence the name SexTrader. "Trade your sex for the opposite, satisfaction guaranteed!"
Seriously, the name SexTrader is nothing compared to all the ****ty outfits female characters have in just about ALL fantasy MMOs (which are targetted at younger public, generally).
I'm really curious how the name Backdoor Bandit can be appropriate considering it is an INTENTIONAL reference to anal ****.
I think I'll start being offended by every name I see and petitionning them. Also, since being scared of sex is an american thing, it's safe to assume we have to respect ever other stupid cultural trait of every culture. I'm petitionning any female character where I can see their face, this is an outrage! |
Joss Sparq
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.17 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS Given the religious background of the Amarr this would also promote pedophilia most likely with the Slaves they own.
I was going to make a rather crude and tasteless joke here comparing the Amarr to the clergy of a certain major, world wide RL religion - but as I like to think of myself as a wit (rather than a half-wit) I'll leave it well alone.
(That and I actually thought of two such religions straight away and couldn't decide which one to lambast)
So how does the religious background of the Amarr proceed to promote acts of pedophilia upon their slaves? The only time I recall anything approximate to that was some material in the printed EVE novella relating to the ... recreational exploits of the former Amarr Chancellor, Karsoth - a man whom need I add isn't exactly going to win any awards for defending the Amarr faith any time soon.
I mean, if I'm going to end up on an FBI/Federal Police watch list I'd rather it not be for rolling a character in an MMO - "Rock Spider" isn't a class I want to play!
All that aside ... I think this was simply a case of somebody being caught "in flagrante delicto" by a browsing Moderator and that because it looked like a duck, and it quacked like a duck - they shot it down. |
Dzil
Caldari Space Whales is SRS BIZNESS
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Posted - 2009.06.17 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Bonhomme Carnaval Also, since being scared of sex is an american thing, it's safe to assume we have to respect ever other stupid cultural trait of every culture. I'm petitionning any female character where I can see their face, this is an outrage!
THIS IS MADNESS! |
Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.06.17 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 17/06/2009 15:06:23
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I'm really curious how the name Backdoor Bandit can be appropriate considering it is an INTENTIONAL reference to anal ****.
Then petition it if you don't think it's appropriate.
This threads just gotten...... bizzare |
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