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SexTrader Amarr Sex Trade	Posted - 2009.06.15 18:57:00 - [1] Hi there, Im looking to get an audit done and how much will it run me back thanks -Sex
Amarr citizen29879 Amarr EVE Corporation49487	Posted - 2009.06.15 18:57:00 - [2] Hi there, Im looking to get an audit done and how much will it run me back thanks -Sex
skilzrulz Gallente 0neZeR0 Enterprises	Posted - 2009.06.15 19:11:00 - [3] A few hundred million, a more thourough sheet of facts can be located here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=916580
Jadun	Posted - 2009.06.15 19:11:00 - [4] Yo ho SexTrader I will audit you for 10 Billion. Free Battleship T1 with T1 Stuffy fitted. If you sent me the isk now. best wishes Jadun P.s. Sent info on what you want audited to me ingame or post more info in this thread to maybe get a serious offer
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2009.06.15 19:47:00 - [5] Originally by: Jadun P.s. Sent info on what you want audited to me ingame or post more info in this thread to maybe get a serious offer You don't even know what an audit is.
Jadun	Posted - 2009.06.15 20:43:00 - [6] Originally by: Professor Leech Originally by: Jadun P.s. Sent info on what you want audited to me ingame or post more info in this thread to maybe get a serious offer You don't even know what an audit is. Me thinks i do. but there is the general info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audit if you wanna reread it.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:54:00 - [7] SexTrader, you should specifies for what you want an audit for, and the importance of what you want an audit for. Auditors come in various "sizes". For small stuff a relatively new auditor like me is cheap & easy to find a free timeframe. For some 30B IPO you want a super-trusted "pro" but you'll have to spend much more and wait possibly for weeks. Business too requires to be stated. If you want to be audited i.e. to produce ships, the auditor will check if you have industry trained. If you don't say your field, we can't perform several important checks.
SexTrader Amarr Sex Trade	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:58:00 - [8] ill be looking to get an audit done for trading only,
Amarr citizen29879 Amarr EVE Corporation49487	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:58:00 - [9] ill be looking to get an audit done for trading only,
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:07:00 - [10] Well, if you are after a bond or loan to up to 2B feel free to evemail me for an interview and terms. If you are after something ambitious or requiring a big "blessing" off the MD important people, I signal you Brock Nelson or Kazzac (but he's really busy).

Clara Mismer Minmatar Gulfonodi Industries	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:12:00 - [11] Originally by: SexTrader ill be looking to get an audit done for trading only, All an audit can do for a trading venture is show you have the relevant skills for purchasing/ selling and the financial capacity for the amount you planning to use. There really is not much to audit in a situation like that.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:20:00 - [12] It can also say the strategies, habits and estimate capabilities at reaching the promised gain percentage. It's not a small indicator.
SexTrader Amarr Sex Trade	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:27:00 - [13] Im basicaly looking to get another loan of 3 bil i say another becouse a friend of mine (jarkovii) has lent me 3bil at a rate of 5% every week for 1 month, overall 3Bil loan @ 20% for 1 month. However the trading i do does require a little more which is the reason for the audit, if you like a little more info on to what sort of trading i do pls let me know as i can see now that an audit cant really do much for me, thanks -sex
Amarr citizen29879 Amarr EVE Corporation49487	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:27:00 - [14] Im basicaly looking to get another loan of 3 bil i say another becouse a friend of mine (jarkovii) has lent me 3bil at a rate of 5% every week for 1 month, overall 3Bil loan @ 20% for 1 month. However the trading i do does require a little more which is the reason for the audit, if you like a little more info on to what sort of trading i do pls let me know as i can see now that an audit cant really do much for me, thanks -sex
Clara Mismer Minmatar Gulfonodi Industries	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha It can also say the strategies, habits and estimate capabilities at reaching the promised gain percentage. It's not a small indicator. That is all defendant on the individual changing the ability to do things into the action of doing them - An auditor cant predict or control that.
Fleshbot	Posted - 2009.06.16 06:22:00 - [16] Originally by: SexTrader Im basicaly looking to get another loan of 3 bil i say another becouse a friend of mine (jarkovii) has lent me 3bil at a rate of 5% every week for 1 month, overall 3Bil loan @ 20% for 1 month. However the trading i do does require a little more which is the reason for the audit, if you like a little more info on to what sort of trading i do pls let me know as i can see now that an audit cant really do much for me, thanks -sex The audit isn't for you, it is for potential investors. I suppose it is for you in the sense that if investors don't trust you it is more difficult to convince them to invest. I am willing to audit your bond. I don't charge an upfront fee. However, if after the audit, I choose to invest I would like 20% of the bond automatically held in reserve for me if I so choose.
SexTrader Amarr Sex Trade	Posted - 2009.06.16 09:23:00 - [17] that sounds fair, i accept youre offer, ill be on later today if you wish to talk ingame, thanks -Sex
Amarr citizen29879 Amarr EVE Corporation49487	Posted - 2009.06.16 09:23:00 - [18] that sounds fair, i accept youre offer, ill be on later today if you wish to talk ingame, thanks -Sex
Dzil Caldari Space Whales is SRS BIZNESS	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:03:00 - [19] Originally by: SexTrader Im basicaly looking to get another loan of 3 bil i say another becouse a friend of mine (jarkovii) has lent me 3bil at a rate of 5% every week for 1 month, overall 3Bil loan @ 20% for 1 month. However the trading i do does require a little more which is the reason for the audit, if you like a little more info on to what sort of trading i do pls let me know as i can see now that an audit cant really do much for me, thanks -sex What did you do with the 35 billion? Just curious. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m for 7+ standings Out of stock till 6/19/09
Romanov DeBeers Gallente Small Gods	Posted - 2009.06.16 17:44:00 - [20] Unless im doing my searches wrong, Sextrader no long appears to be a character in the game. RMT?

Amarr citizen29879 Amarr EVE Corporation49487	Posted - 2009.06.16 17:58:00 - [21] Hi, This message is sent to inform you that we have changed the name of your character "Sex Trader" as well as the similar corporation name that the character is CEO of and the ticker i guess the name was offensive... after 6 month thanks ccp ive just lost all my trading contacts and have ruined any chance of gaining a reputation
Dzil Caldari Space Whales is SRS BIZNESS	Posted - 2009.06.16 18:02:00 - [22] Awesome timing. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m for 7+ standings Out of stock till 6/19/09
Romanov DeBeers Gallente Small Gods	Posted - 2009.06.16 19:24:00 - [23] So other characters called sextraders, sex toy and sex crime are acceptable! I would petition for what good it would do you. Sex Drive does not seem to be taken (yet)
Iece Quaan Caldari Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.06.16 19:29:00 - [24] Your name got changed because someone petitioned you. That's generally how these things work.. and that's why there are other names related to yours still ingame. You just stuck out and someone did it to greif you. And I just saw you in a trade channel the other day. =(
zacuis Great Big Research	Posted - 2009.06.16 19:34:00 - [25] how on earth can the words sex trader be offencive are there really people that think that sex is offencive how the hell do they think they made it into the world. i dispare hope u get your name back m8
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.06.16 19:36:00 - [26] clearly it has no connotation with events that occur in the real world
Dzil Caldari Space Whales is SRS BIZNESS	Posted - 2009.06.16 20:15:00 - [27] It was Amarricanized. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m for 7+ standings Out of stock till 6/19/09
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.06.16 20:42:00 - [28] For a second I was confused, thought the post was by Amarr Citizen 155
EnslaverOfMinmatar Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.06.16 21:43:00 - [29] petition to change your name to essextrader, county name can't be offensive uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
SencneS Amarr Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2009.06.16 21:45:00 - [30] While I have to laugh at this, I find it extremely odd that Sex Trader is offensive, yet the name Backdoor Bandit live on.. I'd petition it, and if there is no justice start petitioning every name in EVE that can offend anyone. There are countless people, and you may actually hit the person that petitioned you YARR Amarr for Life

Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:09:00 - [31] this is quite lame tbh.... your name wasnt offensive... gl getting another, and yes it is brand ruining...
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:17:00 - [32] /me wonders who was really offended by "taiwanese nationalist"
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:22:00 - [33] Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 16/06/2009 22:26:05 Quote: this is quite lame tbh.... your name wasnt offensive... gl getting another, and yes it is brand ruining... To you it might not've been. What about someone forced into that industry as a slave, or with relatives they've never seen because they were forced into it in a similar way? PS, not saying that particular industry isn't bad, but there are a couple bad eggs. Certainly I wasn't offended with the name, but it's very easy to understand why someone would be offended. And in the world of the running a business (which CCP does), what's the damage of one PO'ed player who gets his name changed, versus the damage of numerous players who hear about the name not being changed after the petitioner goes to the forum looking for like minds. Oh yeah, Backdoor Bandit probably isn't changed because nobodies petitioned it. I'm sure you could do it.
Drexciyian The Water Margin	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:26:00 - [34] lol comon what did you expect? surprised it lasted this long, guess the writing was on the wall once you made this forum post meaning mods will actually see it
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:31:00 - [35] Originally by: Estel Arador For a second I was confused, thought the post was by Amarr Citizen 155 Ugh, now we have two of them wandering around MD. This could get confusing. Petition back to get the names changed to 'LoveTrader' ?
21 Salvager Minmatar We are Live	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:58:00 - [36] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Petition back to get the names changed to 'LoveTrader' ? Or SexyTrader (SexxyTrader, Sexy Trader, etc.) whatever is available.
Dzil Caldari Space Whales is SRS BIZNESS	Posted - 2009.06.16 23:41:00 - [37] <-- Goes down in flame as some Van Diesel fanboy/hater gets ahold of petition system.
HawkBlade Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.06.16 23:55:00 - [38] Originally by: Drexciyian lol comon what did you expect? surprised it lasted this long, guess the writing was on the wall once you made this forum post meaning mods will actually see it Don't blame the moderators in the least. Truly this was someone who felt like diddling himself reporting the name Sex Trader. There is nothing inherently wrong with the word sex or trader or with the combining of them. Especially in a totally sexless environment such as Eve. However I would petition the change and escalate it up as such changes have been reversed before. (CBA to look it up but a Dev had to get involved in one name change in the past.) This is nothing more than someone making fools of the GM's by misapplying American Puritan Ethics. It is, grief by whine.
HawkBlade Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.06.17 00:12:00 - [39] Okay, I lied. I faintly remembered back when this kind of thing happened before so I did some research. Originally by: kieron Recently, the names of two player corporations were changed as the result of petitions filed by players. The changes resulted in an amount of controversy, forum posts, petitions, and IRC discussion. The name change applied to the corporation SAS was done mistakenly and will be reverted. The change was applied without consultation of GMs in the position to make such a decision. Full blog here. Originally by: CCP Oveur This was all a result of breach of procedures, communication failures, lack of understanding and last but not least, a case which demonstrates that the universe we live in is complicated, and what can be a proud symbol for one person can also be considered blatantly offensive by someone else. An ironic example is right in front of me. The biggest hot-dog manufacturer in Iceland is called 'SS', short for Slaturfelag Sudurlands. I don't find it offensive, but I know a number of people do. However, they are just two letters and we can't simply ban two letters combined ... or can we? Should we stop there perhaps? I believe you see where this is going. I apologize for our bad handling of the situation, and I apologize to the people that may feel the name is offensive. However, I would like to point out that the world is getting smaller every day, and we surely can't protect everyone from seeing an acronym that they might consider offensive. Full blog here. I quoted what I thought were salient portions, of course, however the point, dilemma, and solution still remains the same. CCP can not police all names so they only respond when someone complains. When someone complains it appears CCP handles this as if the petitioner is acting in "good faith". This can lead to grief by GM situations. The solution is that when people ask for their name back allowances should be made unless there is some "obvious" offensive words (or wording) used. Mind you, I've gotten in trouble using the word "sperm" around here. The word is not offensive but didn't stop someone pretending to be an unsexed Quaker about the matter. (And who are we kidding?)
Joss Sparq Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.17 03:24:00 - [40] To be honest I've been wondering how long "Sex Trader" would last until this happened - I think that a name like that was obviously going to cause trouble, once it was noticed. I can see the silly side of this, but at the same time I view the poster as being in the same situation as any other player who engages in PvP with a "lol fitted" ship - you set yourself up to be knocked down. Originally by: HawkBlade Mind you, I've gotten in trouble using the word "sperm" around here. I'll see your sperm and raise you an ovum!

Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.06.17 04:08:00 - [41] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Originally by: Estel Arador For a second I was confused, thought the post was by Amarr Citizen 155 Ugh, now we have two of them wandering around MD. This could get confusing. Petition back to get the names changed to 'LoveTrader' ? No we don't have two of "them" wondering around MD. I am a badass, he obviously got caught trading sex. Also, why does he only have 1 space in his name? I thought when they changed your name like that it created 2 spaces? I wouldn't know or anything but I heard it was that way. Sometimes people get disappointed.
4 LOM Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.06.17 04:36:00 - [42] Originally by: Joss Sparq To be honest I've been wondering how long "Sex Trader" would last until this happened - I think that a name like that was obviously going to cause trouble, once it was noticed. I can see the silly side of this, but at the same time I view the poster as being in the same situation as any other player who engages in PvP with a "lol fitted" ship - you set yourself up to be knocked down. I agree, Sex Trader is not offensive to me personaly. But it does not take a highly experianced detective to realize that some people would find the name offenseive.. All i can say is what did you expect? You picked a name you knew would offened someone probably because it would offened someone. While i agree its not offensive to me or most people, i cant find a reason for this name to be chosen other then the fact it would offened some poeple.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.17 05:35:00 - [43] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 17/06/2009 05:35:46 Originally by: Amarr citizen29879 my name is a lot more than just a name to me, -sex Yes, yes, it's also a business and a way of life... now run *****, run.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2009.06.17 06:15:00 - [44] Escalate it. If they still don't change it try to get the name of petitioner off them and wardec it to hell and back. I mean ... with enough isk there is no major problems getting merccorp wardec person (following it around and killing it) for few years.
Joss Sparq Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.17 08:04:00 - [45] If you're unhappy with the decision made by the Game Moderator then you should probably escalate the petition further. I believe you can request a new name to replace the current ... alternative to your previous identity. However, don't expect to get the name of whomever petitioned your original name - assuming that is, it was petitioned and not actioned by someone with authority to do so and who also saw your thread/posts on the forum.
Sun Ra Culture Breach	Posted - 2009.06.17 11:44:00 - [46] Originally by: HawkBlade Originally by: Drexciyian lol comon what did you expect? surprised it lasted this long, guess the writing was on the wall once you made this forum post meaning mods will actually see it Don't blame the moderators in the least. Truly this was someone who felt like diddling himself reporting the name Sex Trader. There is nothing inherently wrong with the word sex or trader or with the combining of them. Especially in a totally sexless environment such as Eve. However I would petition the change and escalate it up as such changes have been reversed before. (CBA to look it up but a Dev had to get involved in one name change in the past.) This is nothing more than someone making fools of the GM's by misapplying American Puritan Ethics. It is, grief by whine. Either way ive seen the name around for ages in contracts but soon as he posted here someone was bound to report, are u the main btw ?
Deitis Montage The third party	Posted - 2009.06.17 12:04:00 - [47] I understand the hurt it can cause when someone changes your name - it can destroy your business. But did you not think that sooner or later this was bound to happen? Originally by: HawkBlade There is nothing inherently wrong with the word sex or trader or with the combining of them. Especially in a totally sexless environment such as Eve. Personally, I could not disagree more. HawkBlade the words 'Sex Trader' imply that this relates to the 'Sex Trade' industry of real life. Sex trading is a massive issue in the balkan region in the mediterranean (Europe, particularly the Croatia/Serbia region. You may not have noticed but there is a massive player base from that area and for many this is a touchy subject. Particularly the part where you said 'a total sexless environment such as eve'. Everyone in the game is from real life and if they have ever had anyone in the family forced into the sex trade (or god forbid them themselves) then the last thing they want is to be reminded of this horrible reality when playing a sci-fi space game thats designed to take them away from real life troubles. Regards, Deitis
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.17 12:17:00 - [48] more than likely an ingame petition... however you can see it is sex trader as some of the previous enteries of postings have been edited by sex trader, A petition may get it back....
Dzil Caldari Space Whales is SRS BIZNESS	Posted - 2009.06.17 12:50:00 - [49] Originally by: HawkBlade [Mind you, I've gotten in trouble using the word "sperm" around here. The word is not offensive but didn't stop someone pretending to be an unsexed Quaker about the matter. (And who are we kidding?) [/justify] Petitioning to rename this corp "Sperm Whales are SRS BIZNESS"
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.17 13:26:00 - [50] You could always just go with Gallente Trader ....more or less the same thing

Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.06.17 13:39:00 - [51] Originally by: Deitis Montage Personally, I could not disagree more. HawkBlade the words 'Sex Trader' imply that this relates to the 'Sex Trade' industry of real life. Sex trading is a massive issue in the balkan region in the mediterranean (Europe, particularly the Croatia/Serbia region. You may not have noticed but there is a massive player base from that area and for many this is a touchy subject. send Liam Neeson at em imo
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.06.17 13:51:00 - [52] Edited by: eVaLF on 17/06/2009 13:52:59 Being in the Military I can understand why it can be considered more than just what you meant it to be. Sex Trader can be considred the act of trafficing "persons" as well. Which would be considred highly offensive to some, while others may never even think about it. So yes I can understand CCP banning this name as bad as it may suck, and should have probably been caught a lot sooner. Edit: Reason I say military is because we get training on it 4 times a year.
Elite Contract	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:05:00 - [53] Confirming that i petitioned the offensive name. Suck it Amarr citizen29879
Joss Sparq Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:07:00 - [54] Also, I'be been resisting this up until now: Originally by: HawkBlade Especially in a totally sexless environment such as Eve. Have you seen a Thorax?
SencneS Amarr Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:24:00 - [55] All this talk about Slaves and how young girls are traded for sex is kinda pointless. Because the game has a Race in it called the Amarrian Race, which actually promotes Slavery. Given the religious background of the Amarr this would also promote pedophilia most likely with the Slaves they own. So everyone should consider the fact that an Amarr called Sex Trader is actually more in line with the Story and Parameters that CCP has laid out in the very game they banned the name in the first place. I honestly am wondering if it has to do more with the ESRB then anything else. Because if it is, are the Amarrian race about to have a change of heart and denounce their Slave holding ways? I hope not because honestly even though I don't really care about the story line. I would be highly disappointed if some third party snobbish prude company claiming they know what's best for everyone else in the world, changed a game that is targeted toward middle aged men with political and financial real life agendas.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:35:00 - [56] Originally by: SencneS All this talk about Slaves and how young girls are traded for sex is kinda pointless. Since when? ... I keed I keed
Bonhomme Carnaval	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:40:00 - [57] Petition about it and tell them you roleplay a doctor specialized in sex changes, hence the name SexTrader. "Trade your sex for the opposite, satisfaction guaranteed!" Seriously, the name SexTrader is nothing compared to all the **ty outfits female characters have in just about ALL fantasy MMOs (which are targetted at younger public, generally). I'm really curious how the name Backdoor Bandit can be appropriate considering it is an INTENTIONAL reference to anal **. I think I'll start being offended by every name I see and petitionning them. Also, since being scared of sex is an american thing, it's safe to assume we have to respect ever other stupid cultural trait of every culture. I'm petitionning any female character where I can see their face, this is an outrage!
Joss Sparq Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:55:00 - [58] Originally by: SencneS Given the religious background of the Amarr this would also promote pedophilia most likely with the Slaves they own. I was going to make a rather crude and tasteless joke here comparing the Amarr to the clergy of a certain major, world wide RL religion - but as I like to think of myself as a wit (rather than a half-wit) I'll leave it well alone. (That and I actually thought of two such religions straight away and couldn't decide which one to lambast) So how does the religious background of the Amarr proceed to promote acts of pedophilia upon their slaves? The only time I recall anything approximate to that was some material in the printed EVE novella relating to the ... recreational exploits of the former Amarr Chancellor, Karsoth - a man whom need I add isn't exactly going to win any awards for defending the Amarr faith any time soon. I mean, if I'm going to end up on an FBI/Federal Police watch list I'd rather it not be for rolling a character in an MMO - "Rock Spider" isn't a class I want to play! All that aside ... I think this was simply a case of somebody being caught "in flagrante delicto" by a browsing Moderator and that because it looked like a duck, and it quacked like a duck - they shot it down.
Dzil Caldari Space Whales is SRS BIZNESS	Posted - 2009.06.17 15:01:00 - [59] Originally by: Bonhomme Carnaval Also, since being scared of sex is an american thing, it's safe to assume we have to respect ever other stupid cultural trait of every culture. I'm petitionning any female character where I can see their face, this is an outrage! THIS IS MADNESS!
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.06.17 15:06:00 - [60] Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 17/06/2009 15:06:23 Quote: I'm really curious how the name Backdoor Bandit can be appropriate considering it is an INTENTIONAL reference to anal ****. Then petition it if you don't think it's appropriate. This threads just gotten...... bizzare

Joss Sparq Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.17 15:11:00 - [61] Or maybe "Backdoor Bandit" simply engages in breaking and entering occasioning theft, after forcing entry at the rear of the premises.
Bonhomme Carnaval	Posted - 2009.06.17 15:14:00 - [62] Originally by: Joss Sparq Or maybe "Backdoor Bandit" simply engages in breaking and entering occasioning theft, after forcing entry at the rear of the premises. Originally by: Bonhomme Carnaval Petition about it and tell them you roleplay a doctor specialized in sex changes, hence the name SexTrader. "Trade your sex for the opposite, satisfaction guaranteed!" "Maybe the meaning is this instead" means you agree SexTrader is not offensive, considering its numerous possible interpretations.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.06.17 15:17:00 - [63] I think I get this topic now. It's a bunch of people who can't harden up over a name change, telling a bunch of people to harden up. No wonder it made no sense.
Joss Sparq Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.17 15:28:00 - [64] Originally by: Bonhomme Carnaval "Maybe the meaning is this instead" means you agree SexTrader is not offensive, considering its numerous possible interpretations. I'll try to be clear: you are wrong. What I did was cite an example and suggest that it has slightly more ambiguity to it which acts as a sort of protective sheathe around it, if you will. A protective sheathe - like a condom, you could say. I've already stated my opinion regarding the former name of the OP: please try to keep up.
Iece Quaan Caldari Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.06.17 15:33:00 - [65] Edited by: Iece Quaan on 17/06/2009 15:34:29 Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar petition to change your name to essextrader, county name can't be offensive How is this character's name less offensive than SexTrader? Are some forms of fictional slavery less offensive than others? Do you think ALL of the fictional slaves in this game are being trucked around JUST to build pyramids or whatever? =P
HawkBlade Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.06.17 15:51:00 - [66] Originally by: Deitis Montage Personally, I could not disagree more. HawkBlade the words 'Sex Trader' imply that this relates to the 'Sex Trade' industry of real life. Sex trading is a massive issue in the balkan region in the mediterranean (Europe, particularly the Croatia/Serbia region. You may not have noticed but there is a massive player base from that area and for many this is a touchy subject. Particularly the part where you said 'a total sexless environment such as eve'. Everyone in the game is from real life and if they have ever had anyone in the family forced into the sex trade (or god forbid them themselves) then the last thing they want is to be reminded of this horrible reality when playing a sci-fi space game thats designed to take them away from real life troubles. FFS, at some point people who are playing a game need to realize that they are playing a game. A game where slavery is an abstracted trade item. Using your example, ever having anyone, I should be suing CCP for marketing a product that sensationalizes the infringement of civil rights. After all, my wife is black (and her family is from slave stock), my father is black (and his family is from slave stock), my siblings and children are in part black (ditto ditto slave stock). I doubt I need to go one with this train of thought simply as it is ludicrous. You can not review human history anywhere and not find something to be conflicted about. If someone from Europe feels so strongly about the socio-political issues regarding the illegal Sex Trafficking... let them get their fat nerd asses out of their chair and become a more civic responsible person in their local community. Personally, I do not care to have their local laws, morals, or ethics imposed upon me from half a hemisphere away. No more than the rest of you want me, an american, imposing my own version of such upon your sorry asses. So I close with this customer service goodies: - I see your point but I still think you are full of crap.
HawkBlade Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.06.17 15:59:00 - [67] Oh and for the moronic out there: The name was Sex Trader, in which case being in the Sex Trade is quite legal in many countries. Illegal Sex Trafficking is a serious crime issue that is not to be taken lightly nor to be made fun. However reading fundamentals tells use that the word Trade is not the word Trafficking. For the poor conflicted SODs out there that missed that might I suggest boning up on reading English as a past time instead of beating your chest about the failures of your local politicians and law enforcement. Eve is not the place to try to correct your social, or mental, ills.
Breaker77 Reclamation Industries New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.06.17 16:03:00 - [68] Originally by: HawkBlade The name was Sex Trader, in which case being in the Sex Trade is quite legal in many countries. Except the sex trade A.K.A Prostitution is illegal in every state in the United States except Navada, and CCP just happens to have an office that it not located in Nevada. Sounds more like a legal liability.
HawkBlade Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.06.17 16:07:00 - [69] Originally by: HawkBlade The name was Sex Trader, in which case being in the Sex Trade is quite legal in many countries. Originally by: Breaker77 Except the sex trade A.K.A Prostitution is illegal in every state in the United States except Navada, and CCP just happens to have an office that it not located in Nevada. Sounds more like a legal liability. Ahh.. I see the screw up fairy has decided to visit us. You said "prostitution"... there are many more subjective interpretations of the word combination Sex Trade. Why should we limit ourselves to your limited imagination or intellect?
Breaker77 Reclamation Industries New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.06.17 16:13:00 - [70] Originally by: HawkBlade Ahh.. I see the screw up fairy has decided to visit us. I see you didn't bother to read that it is an automatic redirect to that page. Reading comprehension failure FTW!! No matter what, having an office in the U.S. would make any reference to that profession a potential legal nightmare.

Joss Sparq Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.17 16:16:00 - [71] Originally by: Breaker77 No matter what, having an office in the U.S. would make any reference to that profession a potential legal nightmare. You are ****ing kidding me right? "SOMEBODY MENTIONED PROSTITUTION ON THE INTERNET, PHONE THE THOUGHT POLICE!"
Dodgy Past	Posted - 2009.06.17 16:29:00 - [72] They have an Amarr mission where you have to capture the Amarr Prince's concubine from her true love..... so what job are you doing when you do that mission exactly? The name is as appropriate as the contents of the game, so at the least there is a strong smell of hypocrisy.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.17 16:30:00 - [73] I do have to say that despite this being grossly off topic for this section of the forums, given the intellect that resides here it is VASTLY more entertaining than the daily spew we get here now.
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.06.17 16:39:00 - [74] Originally by: HawkBlade Oh and for the moronic out there: The name was Sex Trader, in which case being in the Sex Trade is quite legal in many countries. Illegal Sex Trafficking is a serious crime issue that is not to be taken lightly nor to be made fun. However reading fundamentals tells use that the word Trade is not the word Trafficking. For the poor conflicted SODs out there that missed that might I suggest boning up on reading English as a past time instead of beating your chest about the failures of your local politicians and law enforcement. Eve is not the place to try to correct your social, or mental, ills. I am the moronic Personally I can give a rats @ss about some guys name, but TO ME when I saw that name the first thing that came to mind was and will probably will continue to be Sex Trafficing, no matter what the dictionary or what ever else says. It's about perception. My perception is going to be different than the next guys or girls. Again I don't care what the name is, just advising why I feel it probably does not belong in Eve.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.17 16:43:00 - [75] Originally by: eVaLF It's about perception. My perception is going to be different than the next guys or girls. Again I don't care what the name is, just advising why I feel it probably does not belong in Eve. The guy is right.
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.06.17 16:54:00 - [76] Originally by: YouGotRipped Originally by: eVaLF It's about perception. My perception is going to be different than the next guys or girls. Again I don't care what the name is, just advising why I feel it probably does not belong in Eve. The guy is right. You didnt' quote the "I am Moronic" Part, I assume that was a mistake :)
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.17 16:57:00 - [77] So... is anyone interested in some "fresh meat"? I'm working in the branch, handling "distribution" and I got contacts all over the world.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.17 16:57:00 - [78] Quote: I was going to make a rather crude and tasteless joke here comparing the Amarr to the clergy of a certain major, world wide RL religion I'd have other adjectives for putting side by side some dozens of misbehaving and condemned individuals over many thousands vs an openly slave labour based sci-fi society.
Joss Sparq Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.17 17:05:00 - [79] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria I do have to say that despite this being grossly off topic for this section of the forums, given the intellect that resides here it is VASTLY more entertaining than the daily spew we get here now. Don't forget to tip the players? Personally, I've been waiting for this thread to be closed since the moment I saw the title was edited - in the meantime, we can at least discuss the importance of "perception" and "context" and adjectives ...
Taelech Caldari Caldari Design and Cryogenics	Posted - 2009.06.17 17:17:00 - [80] I wonder what they would think about "SexTraitor"?

Draxus Axelrodd Caldari Vindication Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.17 18:58:00 - [81] Suprisingly no one has mentioned the corp "Balls Deep," with the ticker name 'PRIKS' But sex trader is offensive? baffling!
Deitis Montage The third party	Posted - 2009.06.17 18:59:00 - [82] Originally by: HawkBlade Originally by: Deitis Montage Personally, I could not disagree more. HawkBlade the words 'Sex Trader' imply that this relates to the 'Sex Trade' industry of real life. Sex trading is a massive issue in the balkan region in the mediterranean (Europe, particularly the Croatia/Serbia region. You may not have noticed but there is a massive player base from that area and for many this is a touchy subject. Particularly the part where you said 'a total sexless environment such as eve'. Everyone in the game is from real life and if they have ever had anyone in the family forced into the sex trade (or god forbid them themselves) then the last thing they want is to be reminded of this horrible reality when playing a sci-fi space game thats designed to take them away from real life troubles. FFS, at some point people who are playing a game need to realize that they are playing a game. - I see your point but I still think you are full of crap. What you are saying is quite horrible. You are basically saying that if someone HAS had family (or themselves) victimized by the sex trafficking industry they should simply 'realize that they are playing a game' and not get upset when they see someone called 'SexTrader' on a forum/in-game. This doesnt work and those people will be hurt regardless. It may not be offensive to you but dont be as naive as to think it HAS to be offensive to everyone in order to be banned.
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.06.17 20:09:00 - [83] Originally by: Deitis Montage What you are saying is quite horrible. You are basically saying that if someone HAS had family (or themselves) victimized by the sex trafficking industry they should simply 'realize that they are playing a game' and not get upset when they see someone called 'SexTrader' on a forum/in-game. This doesnt work and those people will be hurt regardless. It may not be offensive to you but dont be as naive as to think it HAS to be offensive to everyone in order to be banned. Yeah that's exactly what people are saying, because it is a Game. We fly around ships and murder hundreds of space people a day, should anyone be upset if they had a relation ship with a real life person who lost their life to violence? Of course not, just because someone lost their perspective due to tradgedy doesnt mean the game should be changed to coddle them. It means that they shouldn't be playing a game that reminds them of the tradgedy every single time they log on. In EVE there is slaverery, there are prostitutes, there are Pirates, and blood suckers, and space zombies. No doubt there are also fictional people who traffic sex slaves. That someone should be upset that a character chose this name is pretty silly. There is a seperation between fact and fiction and the name isnt really out of place in the EVE universe. The only time to get offended by things in game is whent they do relate to real life places and events. If someone had the nam N_____trader that's offensive, if someone was named BalkenSexSlave that's offensive. Learn some perspective or GTFO.
glas mir Reaction Scientific	Posted - 2009.06.18 07:12:00 - [84] this thread fails to deliver. Its like the special Olympics with a special legal hurdles section. tough luck sexxy, but if your previous post is to be believed you are sitting on tens of billions. Why would sex trader need a small trading loan? I'm calling BS.
Deitis Montage The third party	Posted - 2009.06.18 07:18:00 - [85] Originally by: Jin Nib Originally by: Deitis Montage What you are saying is quite horrible. You are basically saying that if someone HAS had family (or themselves) victimized by the sex trafficking industry they should simply 'realize that they are playing a game' and not get upset when they see someone called 'SexTrader' on a forum/in-game. This doesnt work and those people will be hurt regardless. It may not be offensive to you but dont be as naive as to think it HAS to be offensive to everyone in order to be banned. Yeah that's exactly what people are saying, because it is a Game. We fly around ships and murder hundreds of space people a day, should anyone be upset if they had a relation ship with a real life person who lost their life to violence? Of course not, just because someone lost their perspective due to tradgedy doesnt mean the game should be changed to coddle them. It means that they shouldn't be playing a game that reminds them of the tradgedy every single time they log on. The only time to get offended by things in game is whent they do relate to real life places and events. If someone had the nam N_____trader that's offensive, if someone was named BalkenSexSlave that's offensive. Learn some perspective or GTFO. Just another quote by an earlier player... Originally by: eVaLF Personally I can give a rats @ss about some guys name, but TO ME when I saw that name the first thing that came to mind was and will probably will continue to be Sex Trafficing, no matter what the dictionary or what ever else says. It's about perception. My perception is going to be different than the next guys or girls. Hence why the name was probably changed Jin Nib.
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.06.18 07:55:00 - [86] Originally by: Deitis Montage Hence why the name was probably changed Jin Nib. I'm not disagreeing with that, it's the first thing that came to my mind to. What I am saying is that sex trafficking occurs in game and as such how in appropriate is the name? It's not like I particularly liked the name and want to keep it around (I prefer the fake name monkiers such as yours or mine), however I am saying that the name is related to EVE and why should it be banned because some one is drawing tenuous parallels that cause them to be upset. Of course, the same logic would also approve a name like Kiddie Diddler so I'm not really standing on strong ground here. Its s stupid name and I dont particularly feel bad its gone. Except as I am unclear on the specific reason it was eliminated (was it in the post I didn't notice?) and I am uncomfortable with it. I am hard pressed to get a hard argument as to why I think it's wrong though, so... I just do. Maybe because its not clearly an offensive name (as demonstrated by its relatively long life).
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.06.18 07:59:00 - [87] Originally by: Deitis Montage Originally by: eVaLF Personally I can give a rats @ss about some guys name, but TO ME when I saw that name the first thing that came to mind was and will probably will continue to be Sex Trafficing, no matter what the dictionary or what ever else says. It's about perception. My perception is going to be different than the next guys or girls. Hence why the name was probably changed Jin Nib. Maybe the guy who changed it had the same perception, but name policies must be enforced objectively and the meaning of sextrade is not trafficing. I saw a documentary named that and guess what? It was about ****ography business. If I see dog trade, for example and I relate it to dog fights it doesn't mean that dog trade means that, name changes must rely on the real meaning of the words, not any subjective judgement. EVE Knowledge
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.06.18 08:22:00 - [88] Quote: That someone should be upset that a character chose this name is pretty silly. That this thread has caused so many more to be upset is even sillier. I'm trying to juggle what's stupider here. 1. The fact someone complained about the name "SexTrader/Sex Trade" in a game with (incredibly minor, so minor you really have to look closely for them) references sex in a game rated,, what,, M 15+? 2. The fact people are too dense here to realise that, no matter how small the chance is, there exists a chance that someone would find a name like SexTrader offensive in a game primarily revolving around internet spaceships and blowing stuff up. The fact (pointed out) that western cultures are overly-prudish about the topic is no argument when the corporation decides to run it's business in that country. If it's "taboo" for people (which a Christian-dominated society is, being all "No sex before marriage", ergo the Sex Trade is "evil"), then it'll likely be removed. If you don't get what I mean, imagine if I set up a shop in the middle of an Islamic country right now whose purpose was the production bikini modelling photo shoots? I'd probably be beheaded or something, and for good reason too. It's not offensive to you and me though.... To your average punter, EVE is not a game about sex, ergo someone looking for an "internet spaceships" game could be forgiven for being a little bit "shocked" to run into a blatant reference to sex. And yeah, some people *are* that anal.
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.06.18 08:57:00 - [89] Edited by: Jin Nib on 18/06/2009 08:58:00 Originally by: Kylar Renpurs That this thread has caused so many more to be upset is even sillier. I wonder how many people are upset (by upset I'm assuming you mean mad or angry) by it? Probably only SexTrader himself. I just consider it wrong depending on the context it was done in. And by wrong I mean unjust. Quote: 2. The fact people are too dense here to realise that, no matter how small the chance is, there exists a chance that someone would find a name like SexTrader offensive in a game primarily revolving around internet spaceships and blowing stuff up. The fact (pointed out) that western cultures are overly-prudish about the topic is no argument when the corporation decides to run it's business in that country. If it's "taboo" for people (which a Christian-dominated society is, being all "No sex before marriage", ergo the Sex Trade is "evil"), then it'll likely be removed. We ar'nt too dense too relise that somone may find names offensive. We are saying that things shouldn't be censored simply for being rude or offensive. Things that are hateful and destructive should be challenged though. SexTrader's name was simply uncouth IMO, as such just because some one was upset by it is no reason to eliminate it. Quote: If you don't get what I mean, imagine if I set up a shop in the middle of an Islamic country right now whose purpose was the production of bikini modelling photo shoots? I'd probably be beheaded or something, and for good reason too. It's not offensive to you and me though.... No you'd be beheaded for a series of bad reasons and for being in a morally repugnant society. It wouldn't be right and moral relativeism is exactly what leads to such nonsense. Quote: End of the day, the Internet's an international community, and organisations running businesses on it do the best to accomodate everyones tastes. To your average punter, EVE is not a game about sex, ergo someone looking for an "internet spaceships" game could be forgiven for being a little bit "shocked" to run into a blatant reference to sex. And yeah, some people *are* that anal. And by the same reasoning one has to learn to deal with that shock. There is no doubt that you are going to run into something you don't like or find repugnant that doesn't mean its automatically banned. Suck it up and deal with it. Either prove within reason that it is wrong (rather then simply offensive) or accept it and move on.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.06.18 09:59:00 - [90] Quote: Things that are hateful ... should be challenged though Quote: No you'd be beheaded for a series of bad reasons and for being in a morally repugnant society. Do as I say, not as I do? Right.


CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2009.06.18 09:59:00 - [91] Thread locked. This discussion no longer has any relevance to Market Discussions. To the OP - please contact Customer Support by submitting a petition if you wish to discuss the changing fo your name.



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