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Sarius Deteis The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.16 02:37:00 - [1] I am looking for a fit for the Amarr Logistics ship the Guardian. I plan on being the only logistics ship in a small fleet of 15-20 and want to do both rep and damage. I figure my damage can come from drones, but anyone have any ideas? Thanks Amarr Victory WTB 8 lowslot Inty
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate Onslaught.	Posted - 2009.06.16 02:39:00 - [2] Of course it's someone from CVA You don't do damage with a logistics ship, fit 4 reps, 2 cap transfers then whatever the hell you want in the other slots.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.16 03:03:00 - [3] Don't get shot. [Guardian, Astroooooo] Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Regard' I Power Projector Large 'Regard' I Power Projector Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Hobgoblin II x5
FT Diomedes Gallente Factio Paucorum	Posted - 2009.06.16 03:34:00 - [4] Originally by: Sarius Deteis I am looking for a fit for the Amarr Logistics ship the Guardian. I plan on being the only logistics ship in a small fleet of 15-20 and want to do both rep and damage. I figure my damage can come from drones, but anyone have any ideas? Thanks Your chances of staying alive go up immensely if you have another Guardian to share cap with.
Peckles Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.06.16 04:29:00 - [5] Originally by: Sarius Deteis I plan on being the only logistics ship in a small fleet of 15-20 You've already lost =/
Jones Bones Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.06.16 05:40:00 - [6] Originally by: Peckles Originally by: Sarius Deteis I plan on being the only logistics ship in a small fleet of 15-20 You've already lost =/ QFT. You will be THE primary. Logistics are best used in teams. If no one else is willing to buddy up with you, just fly a zealot or curse. =================== Go Bucks!
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2009.06.16 06:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Peckles Originally by: Sarius Deteis I plan on being the only logistics ship in a small fleet of 15-20 You've already lost =/ Presumably he's taking the guardian along with 15-20 remote rep bs fleet. So something there could help him out. On the other hand if it is mostly smaller ships than a scimitar would be recommended.
Brego Tralowski Gallente Dead space evolution	Posted - 2009.06.16 06:34:00 - [8] surely your fleet could spare another pilot for logistics duty? These ships work best in at least pairs, creating cap out of nothing between the repping ships keeping you going and keeping you alive. Lets face it, your gonna get called primary and killed off first, if your on your own its a waste of a ships and your skills in other areas perhaps. As others have recommended, forget wanting to do DPS and concentrate on the ships purpose of assisting others. And try and get a buddy to get in the same ship and help each other out. Good luck, and I hope you either pair up or fly a DPS ship instead.
bubbly bird	Posted - 2009.06.16 10:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Sarius Deteis I am looking for a fit for the Amarr Logistics ship the Guardian. I plan on being the only logistics ship in a small fleet of 15-20 and want to do both rep and damage. I figure my damage can come from drones, but anyone have any ideas? Thanks As you have been told a single logistics ship in a gang is going to get massivly battered in combat so it it much preferable to bring a few of them to spider tank and cap transfer.
Sarius Deteis The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.16 11:31:00 - [10] I appreciate all of the Input. It has been enlightening and I might start training for something else heh. Amarr Victory WTB 8 lowslot Inty

bubbly bird	Posted - 2009.06.16 12:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Sarius Deteis I appreciate all of the Input. It has been enlightening and I might start training for something else heh. Do not misunderstand the guardian is a fantastic gang logistic ship because when used in a group they can cap transfer to each other and remove the need to rely heavily on cap rechargers or injectors like the other logistics ships need to do. Couple this with 5 low slot for tank ect while the other armour logistic ship (oneiros) only has 4 and 6 high slots while again the other armour logistic ship (oneiros) only has 4 you get a very useful and solid setup when used correctly with buddies. Only having 2 med slots means you only have room for a afterburner/mwd and 1 ECCM but it is sufficient in most casses.
Endo Dy Gallente Enrave Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.06.16 12:47:00 - [12] Get a buddy, both fit 2 Large Energy transfers + RR and pray the enemy doesnt have a zillion ECM ships
Christina Bamar Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.06.16 19:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Sarius Deteis I appreciate all of the Input. It has been enlightening and I might start training for something else heh. The correct response isn't to train for something else, it's to convince a corpmate to train for the Guardian. Dual Guardians are extremely good, especially in the size of gangs your talking about.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.06.16 23:23:00 - [14] One guardian is a bad idea. Logistics are juicy targets, and are generally called primary, right early in the fight. If you're going to be the only logistics in the fleet, I'd strongly recommend that you want to be flying an Oneiros or a Scimitar - they have more mids+lows to work with, meaning you can sensibly be cap stable, and ... have a life expectancy. Two guardians on the other hand, can repair each other, and cap feed. Something like: [Guardian, Buddy] Reactor Control Unit II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Regard' I Power Projector Anti-Thermic Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x5 You'll need a 3% implant to shoehorn it on. But you can drop a Solace to another Regard to save on that requirement. But basically as long as your buddy is there to cap feed and repair you, you both have somewhere in the region of 2000dps of tank each, and 36k ehps to stop you getting instapopped, along with a 70m signature. However if you're going solo... well, strongly consider that Oneiros. Otherwise... you really do need to be 'cap stable' to be useful as a logistics, which ... gets problematic. Because you also _really_ need a solid buffer tank, because you'll be 'mr primary'. I'd be inclined to suggest something like: [Guardian, Solo] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Small 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Small 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Small 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Remote Repair Augmentor I Remote Repair Augmentor I But really. fly an Oneiros or Scimitar instead.
The Tzar Malicious Intentions Cult of War	Posted - 2009.06.17 00:31:00 - [15] This one should be cap stable, even medium RR's reach 50km..., enough for an RRBS gang. Kinda relying on no ECM though. [Guardian, solo] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Thermic Plating II 10MN Afterburner II Large Capacitor Battery II Medium 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Remote Repair Augmentor I Remote Repair Augmentor I
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2009.06.17 00:46:00 - [16] [Guardian, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Armor EM Hardener II N-Type Thermic Hardener I Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Anti-EM Pump I Nanobot Accelerator I [Guardian, New Setup 2] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Thermic Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency S Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Anti-EM Pump I [empty rig slot] you asked for it - i don't endorse it though
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2009.06.17 01:22:00 - [17] minmatar wannabe [Guardian, New Setup 1] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


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