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Ambo EMMA Test Corp	Posted - 2009.06.18 07:26:00 - [1] As many of you know, Maestro is unable to continue looking after EMMA due to RL problems. Mme Pinkerton has stepped into the breach temporarily but does not have the ability to issue license keys (I think?) or software updates. He also does not have the time to do so. Personally, I'm also unable to login on a regular basis to check on things. As I see it there are two possible ways forward: 1) Find another person to take over the project. 2) Do away with the 100 mil fee and just let go of EMMA. After trying to hand it over to another player once already, I'd favour option 2. However, those who have already purchased a license will undoubtedly feel somewhat cheated. This would also leave a question mark over what to do with all the isk that has been accumulated in 'EMMA Test Corp'. I'd like to hear thoughts from the community as to which option would be best or other possible solutions that I havn't considered. If you are currently waiting for a license then I will send you the details ASAP. My PSU blew yesterday when I turned my PC on but I'll have a replacement by this evening. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.18 07:52:00 - [2] Those who sent you 100M, did it because that was the license fee. They were not cheated, they could use the features. If you make EMMA free, the new users won't be cheated by an assistance that cannot be provided any longer, the older players are not losing anything, they paid 100M to take advantage over others without EMMA NOW, while the others will get it free but delayed by months and thus are potentially behind.
Salvo Brunel Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.18 08:33:00 - [3] Edited by: Salvo Brunel on 18/06/2009 08:33:42 I'm a license holder and I have no objection to option 2. I paid the money becuase I was happy with the product. My suggestion for the EMMA Test Corp isk is to try to offer it to people who want to develop new tools, but that might be a pain.
Lost Hamster Serenity and Unicum Hungarian Corp	Posted - 2009.06.18 08:38:00 - [4] Originally by: Salvo Brunel I'm a license holder and I have no objection to option 2. I paid the money becuase I was happy with the product. My suggestion for the EMMA Test Corp isk is to try to offer it to people who want to develop new tools, but that might be a pain. I'm a license holder, and I agree with the poster as well. I could use the product without a key as I found a way to do that, but still I paid it. So use the money to get some reward to the developers.
Romanov DeBeers Gallente Small Gods	Posted - 2009.06.18 08:46:00 - [5] Option 2 is fine, I paid a licence to pay Ambo for his work. If Ambo now wants to make it free then I'm fine with that option.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.18 08:51:00 - [6] option 2 is fine. though i recomend you pay back for unused licenses then.. i still have about 8 licence keys unused....
Lady Charnoob	Posted - 2009.06.18 08:54:00 - [7] We payed the fee to get what other users couldn't have. Now that advantage there will be no more, so nothing to pay for. The 100M fee shouldn't be a problem: the ones who haven't been able to multiply their profit using EMMA have other kind of problems :D
Adrian Idaho Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.18 09:08:00 - [8] I'm working on an EMMA port for Linux, i.e. porting EMMA to Mono and PostgreSQL. However, real life occupation and strange bugs in the Mono runtime and compiler result in slow progress. Personally I'd favour option 2, especially if you would re-release the newest SVN version (with removed licence-check) under the GPL. Then I could create a fork of EMMA as a project hosted on SF.net. Mono as well as PostgreSQL run on Windows, too, so my port should also run on Windows and thus be usable by everyone. Under these circumstances I'd be willing to take over the project. However, I can and will not work on the .NET/MS SQL Server version, since I only have a Virtualbox Vista environment - this can be a PITA with only 4 GiB RAM So, if anyone is interested in giving me a hand porting EMMA to Mono/PostgreSQL, please let me know in this thread or in-game.
Lady Charnoob	Posted - 2009.06.18 09:13:00 - [9] Thinking to a Plone-powered solution, offered as service on the web, no installation needed.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.18 09:31:00 - [10] Edited by: Kouryusei on 18/06/2009 09:33:36 I'd be willing to take over the project if the license fee was removed, and the project was shifted to an entirely open source model (I would continue to use the Eclipse Public License). I would be happy to continue bug fixes and feature updates (along with monitoring project commits from other developers). ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Adrian Idaho Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.18 10:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Kouryusei Edited by: Kouryusei on 18/06/2009 09:33:36 I'd be willing to take over the project if the license fee was removed, and the project was shifted to an entirely open source model (I would continue to use the Eclipse Public License). I would be happy to continue bug fixes and feature updates (along with monitoring project commits from other developers). Please don't get me wrong, I appreciate you wanting to help EMMA users. But we're still waiting for your own software to be released - not even your beta testers received it. On top of that you have to take care of your newborn son (congratulations, by the way ). That's why I think you should give him priority, and if your free time allows it, work on intraPAY. Blatantly Obvious Features that need to be implemented, stat!
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.18 10:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Kouryusei Edited by: Kouryusei on 18/06/2009 09:33:36 I'd be willing to take over the project if the license fee was removed, and the project was shifted to an entirely open source model (I would continue to use the Eclipse Public License). I would be happy to continue bug fixes and feature updates (along with monitoring project commits from other developers). Let me guess, you're about to launch an expansion for your current market activities, right? Black Sun Empire
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.18 10:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Adrian Idaho Originally by: Kouryusei Edited by: Kouryusei on 18/06/2009 09:33:36 I'd be willing to take over the project if the license fee was removed, and the project was shifted to an entirely open source model (I would continue to use the Eclipse Public License). I would be happy to continue bug fixes and feature updates (along with monitoring project commits from other developers). Please don't get me wrong, I appreciate you wanting to help EMMA users. But we're still waiting for your own software to be released - not even your beta testers received it. On top of that you have to take care of your newborn son (congratulations, by the way ). That's why I think you should give him priority, and if your free time allows it, work on intraPAY. The amount of work that EMMA would need is minimal at best, hence my offering to help. My software is not related to this in the least. :)
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.18 10:32:00 - [14] Originally by: YouGotRipped Originally by: Kouryusei Edited by: Kouryusei on 18/06/2009 09:33:36 I'd be willing to take over the project if the license fee was removed, and the project was shifted to an entirely open source model (I would continue to use the Eclipse Public License). I would be happy to continue bug fixes and feature updates (along with monitoring project commits from other developers). Let me guess, you're about to launch an expansion for your current market activities, right? Nope, nor do I intend to ever to. All future expansions will be entirely privately funded. :) Now, shouldn't you go back to scamming people?
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.18 10:37:00 - [15] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 18/06/2009 10:45:37 Originally by: Kouryusei Nope, nor do I intend to ever to. All future expansions will be entirely privately funded. :) Now, shouldn't you go back to scamming people? Is it morning yet? No? Then I'm probably busy shooting down my competition.
Ambo EMMA Test Corp	Posted - 2009.06.18 10:40:00 - [16] Well thanks for the understanding everyone. Ji Sama - I will indeed refund any unused licenses from the emma corp cash. The license fee will be removed. The project is already entirely open source so anyone who wants to contribute is free to do so through the google code project. I'll also add instructions on how to issue software updates. Any payments sent after 1200 eve-time on 18th June (i.e. midday today) will be refunded. The remaining cash in the EMMA wallet will be distributed between those who have helped with the project.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.18 10:53:00 - [17] Quote: The amount of work that EMMA would need is minimal at best, hence my offering to help. My software is not related to this in the least. :) Have you even looked at the source? EMMA needs a refactor in several features (an opinion shared by the person currently upkeeping EMMA btw) and you find to dedicate minimal effort at best? Ok, this is "just" an internet spaceships game (btw imho this is false, EvE shows the real people behind these ships better than any other MMO) but this does not mean someone would downplay the efforts to put in game's derivative works. If you were to launch a bond I'd take this over-simplicistic attitude as a red flag. The business sentiment raised, moreover, as YGR keenly sniffed, is to cash in popularity off multiple unfinished activities to spend it on something "more".
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.18 10:54:00 - [18] rgr ambo, thanks.. be sure to let us know if there is anything we can do. its a shame to see emma fall like this.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: The amount of work that EMMA would need is minimal at best, hence my offering to help. My software is not related to this in the least. :) Have you even looked at the source? EMMA needs a refactor in several features (an opinion shared by the person currently upkeeping EMMA btw) and you find to dedicate minimal effort at best? Ok, this is "just" an internet spaceships game (btw imho this is false, EvE shows the real people behind these ships better than any other MMO) but this does not mean someone would downplay the efforts to put in game's derivative works. If you were to launch a bond I'd take this over-simplicistic attitude as a red flag. The business sentiment raised, moreover, as YGR keenly sniffed, is to cash in popularity off multiple unfinished activities to spend it on something "more". I stated the amount of work is minimal, because the code behind EMMA is not a complex as some people might think - it is pretty simplistic. Any serious .NET developers on this forum would not find it a problem in the least. I did not say I would dedicate minimal effort, I was stating it would require minimal effort (in comparison to the development projects I am normally involved with. ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Ambo Well thanks for the understanding everyone. Ji Sama - I will indeed refund any unused licenses from the emma corp cash. The license fee will be removed. The project is already entirely open source so anyone who wants to contribute is free to do so through the google code project. I'll also add instructions on how to issue software updates. Any payments sent after 1200 eve-time on 18th June (i.e. midday today) will be refunded. The remaining cash in the EMMA wallet will be distributed between those who have helped with the project. Even though the license allows for it, I thought I'd ask just to be clear. Do you mind me forking the current code base to fix a number of outstanding problems? :) ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: Ambo Well thanks for the understanding everyone. Ji Sama - I will indeed refund any unused licenses from the emma corp cash. The license fee will be removed. The project is already entirely open source so anyone who wants to contribute is free to do so through the google code project. I'll also add instructions on how to issue software updates. Any payments sent after 1200 eve-time on 18th June (i.e. midday today) will be refunded. The remaining cash in the EMMA wallet will be distributed between those who have helped with the project. Even though the license allows for it, I thought I'd ask just to be clear. Do you mind me forking the current code base to fix a number of outstanding problems? :) Look at the underlined part -.- EVE Knowledge
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: Ambo Well thanks for the understanding everyone. Ji Sama - I will indeed refund any unused licenses from the emma corp cash. The license fee will be removed. The project is already entirely open source so anyone who wants to contribute is free to do so through the google code project. I'll also add instructions on how to issue software updates. Any payments sent after 1200 eve-time on 18th June (i.e. midday today) will be refunded. The remaining cash in the EMMA wallet will be distributed between those who have helped with the project. Even though the license allows for it, I thought I'd ask just to be clear. Do you mind me forking the current code base to fix a number of outstanding problems? :) Look at the underlined part -.- Try reading again, I asked to fork the current code base; not contribute to the existing project hosted on Google Code. ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Ambo EMMA Test Corp	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:23:00 - [23] Well... if you feel the need to do so then that's fine with me. Would it not make more sense to just keep one, centralised source repository though? i.e. create a branch in the google code project, make your changes and then re-integrate them into the main codebase. If you make a totally separate version with your own modifications then not only do others not get the benefit of those changes but if/when an update is released from google code, your version will not be able to integrate the changes without more work on your part. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Kouryusei Try reading again, I asked to fork the current code base; not contribute to the existing project hosted on Google Code. Sorry, english is not my first language and I readed that as fixing. EVE Knowledge
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Kouryusei Try reading again, I asked to fork the current code base; not contribute to the existing project hosted on Google Code. It's quite idiotic to ask for allowance to fork an open source project.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:30:00 - [26] Originally by: YouGotRipped Originally by: Kouryusei Try reading again, I asked to fork the current code base; not contribute to the existing project hosted on Google Code. It's quite idiotic to ask for allowance to fork an open source project. It's called politeness. :) Originally by: Ambo Well... if you feel the need to do so then that's fine with me. Would it not make more sense to just keep one, centralised source repository though? i.e. create a branch in the google code project, make your changes and then re-integrate them into the main codebase. If you make a totally separate version with your own modifications then not only do others not get the benefit of those changes but if/when an update is released from google code, your version will not be able to integrate the changes without more work on your part. Without there being project oversight by a competent developer on the Google Code repository; it could lead to a literal cluster**** of coding. If you end up appointing someone, then I'll look into doing that instead. :)
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:33:00 - [27] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 18/06/2009 11:33:29 Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: YouGotRipped Originally by: Kouryusei Try reading again, I asked to fork the current code base; not contribute to the existing project hosted on Google Code. It's quite idiotic to ask for allowance to fork an open source project. It's called politeness. :) No ****? I bet you asked for permission too before posting this? You might want to take a better look at post 22.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:34:00 - [28] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 18/06/2009 11:33:29 Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: YouGotRipped Originally by: Kouryusei Try reading again, I asked to fork the current code base; not contribute to the existing project hosted on Google Code. It's quite idiotic to ask for allowance to fork an open source project. It's called politeness. :) No ****? I bet you asked for permission too before posting this? You might want to take a better look at post 22. I've learned to ignore con artists like yourself, for the most part. :)
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:44:00 - [29] Originally by: Kouryusei I've learned to ignore con artists like yourself, for the most part. :) Have fun living in your own world. If the community cannot see you for what you are, then I won't waste more of my time. Black Sun Empire
Snasty Caldari The Hippies House of Mercury	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:54:00 - [30] I'm a license holder and I have no objection to option 2 I dont care what happens to the cash in Emma corp, I also dont really care who or how the application develops. When it comes to the little trist going on in the posts above me I have no view either way either. For me, as a simple trader making a living in Eve, Emma is a nice app that I would like to see live on and get better, thats all. So, whoever ends up doing what with it, you can generally expect to see my support, be that ISK or just thinking nice thoughts in your direction. --------------------------------------- -=Snasty, short for Shagnasty ever since the GM's in SWG made me change it...!=-
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.18 12:15:00 - [31] I paid and am happy for it to be free , I even donated some extra cash for someone else to get a freebie... open FTW -- RaTTuS @ InEve, Capital Prints for sale
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.18 12:17:00 - [32] I paid and IM ok with either. I didn't pay for the lisc, I paid for your work on the project up to that point in time.
Cogwheel Gallente New Eden Credit Bureau	Posted - 2009.06.18 14:26:00 - [33] I'd say use the EMMA Test Corp as an open source foundation for EMMA development. Accept donations from users. You could have a popup screen asking for donations every couple weeks or something. Turn it into a bona fide open source project and attract developers by offering them a share of the pie. There are lots of video game-related software projects that operate this way (e.g. the Norganna addons for WoW).
Dariah Stardweller	Posted - 2009.06.18 17:36:00 - [34] Open source FTW as far as I'm concerned :)
Mark Weston Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.18 17:45:00 - [35] Edited by: Mark Weston on 18/06/2009 17:46:00 Originally by: Ambo Well thanks for the understanding everyone. Ji Sama - I will indeed refund any unused licenses from the emma corp cash. The license fee will be removed. The project is already entirely open source so anyone who wants to contribute is free to do so through the google code project. I'll also add instructions on how to issue software updates. Any payments sent after 1200 eve-time on 18th June (i.e. midday today) will be refunded. The remaining cash in the EMMA wallet will be distributed between those who have helped with the project. Firstly, just chiming in to say that as someone who bought my licence I'm perfectly happy that I got my money's worth and have no objection to option 2. But I am a bit worried by what you've said here about software updates. Does this mean that anyone can join the Google Code project and issue a patch that will automatically be applied to my version of EMMA? Are you intending to leave the project open to all contributors without any oversight? Obviously if you don't have time to look after the project, then that's that. But if so I'd almost rather EMMA went unmaintained than it was left open to any random contributor to make changes and have them automatically update.
Cogwheel Gallente New Eden Credit Bureau	Posted - 2009.06.18 17:50:00 - [36] Originally by: Mark Weston Obviously if you don't have time to look after the project, then that's that. But if so I'd almost rather EMMA went unmaintained than it was left open to any random contributor to make changes and have them automatically update. This is a good point considering the access EMMA has to your personal data. If it continues as an open-source project, there should definitely be a trustee in charge of making sure nothing malicious makes it into the codebase.
Ambo EMMA Test Corp	Posted - 2009.06.18 18:29:00 - [37] That's a very good point. I'll keep the update info confidential and pass it to someone else later.
KaarBaak Minmatar Squirrel Team	Posted - 2009.06.18 19:50:00 - [38] As another paid license holder (maybe the last person who paid), I'm all for the option 2 from the OP by Ambo. I would like to know if there is a link to a version that does not require a license available yet? I also agree with the posts regarding the auto updates. It is/was a great piece of code. Hopefully it may be reborn one day. KB
Maestro Del'Tirith Space Exploration	Posted - 2009.06.19 00:29:00 - [39] I currently have control of the google code project, and have no issue maintaining that aspect - individuals who wish to branch, add features, etc may easily contact me via google and I'll drop them in with appropriate permissions. We have source control to roll out changes and it is, after all, fully open source. My key issue with the project as it stands is handing out licenses day in day out under the expectation that the isk might be used to push forward development. I have approached a wide number of developers, and on several occasions in a variety of threads looked for additional help in development - somehow, the 11b isk that is currently in the EMMA bank is not a factor in the actual effort and completion of code changes. It is to my mind, therefore, hindering development - individuals have indicated they are unwilling to work on it unless it is fully and completely open - without providing any true benefit, since Ambo no longer plays EVE and I have not used a single isk of it for myself. I definitely advocate option 2, with the adjustment (as mentioned by Ji Sama) of refunding for licenses that were never supplied - I have the record of this and will refund those paid for but not requested licenses immediately.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.06.19 00:41:00 - [40] Edited by: Brock Nelson on 19/06/2009 00:41:03 I'm a license holder, even though it doesn't work :P, option 2 is fine by me. I don't suppose I could get my fee back since the key never worked? 1 audit project in the works, 3 lined up
HawkBlade Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.06.19 00:51:00 - [41] I am also a paid license holder & I've no problem with EMMA going back to free to use status (or open source). However, I do have issues with someone else trying to take your work and push their own agenda/aggrandizement from it. Already too much standing on the shoulders of giants around here. I'd like to see a few people actually produce something of their own for a change.
KaarBaak Minmatar Squirrel Team	Posted - 2009.06.19 00:59:00 - [42] Originally by: HawkBlade I am also a paid license holder & I've no problem with EMMA going back to free to use status (or open source). However, I do have issues with someone else trying to take your work and push their own agenda/aggrandizement from it. Already too much standing on the shoulders of giants around here. I'd like to see a few people actually produce something of their own for a change. Why re-invent the wheel? I think locking the code down to never be improved upon again would be a damn shame. What happens when the next expansion comes out? We have to code a completely new app from scratch? As long as people give credit where it's due, I fully support the continued growth of EMMA in whatever form it takes. KB KB
HawkBlade Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.06.19 01:38:00 - [43] Originally by: HawkBlade However, I do have issues with someone else trying to take your work and push their own agenda/*aggrandizement* from it. Originally by: KaarBaak As long as people give credit where it's due, I fully support the continued growth of EMMA in whatever form it takes. In the future what you really said is spelled like this: "I don't know big words, could you please explain it simpler for me?"
Ambo EMMA Test Corp	Posted - 2009.06.19 07:14:00 - [44] I hadn't realised Maestro was still able and willing to maintain the EMMA source on google. Since this is the case, everything becomes somewhat easier. EMMA will be modified to not check for license key. This update will be released through the patching system. Maestro will continue to manage the google code project and anyone who wants to contribute is free to contact him in order to gain the appropriate access rights. Personally, I'd rather see EMMA continue to grow and improve rather than fading away like so many other apps have done. A LOT of time has gone into it and it would be a shame to waste that. Hopefully the entirely open nature of the project and the wide exposure EMMA has enjoyed will draw more people into contributing their own changes and fixes. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.19 08:00:00 - [45] Quote: Why re-invent the wheel? Don't think you got what Shar and others really say, didn't you?
Valnurana	Posted - 2009.06.19 09:52:00 - [46] Originally by: Ambo EMMA will be modified to not check for license key. This update will be released through the patching system. Does this mean new users will also be able to use the software for free from here on?
Ambo EMMA Test Corp	Posted - 2009.06.19 10:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Valnurana Originally by: Ambo EMMA will be modified to not check for license key. This update will be released through the patching system. Does this mean new users will also be able to use the software for free from here on? That's correct, once the change has been made and the update released, anyone will be able to use EMMA for free. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.19 12:06:00 - [48] Originally by: Ambo I hadn't realised Maestro was still able and willing to maintain the EMMA source on google. Since this is the case, everything becomes somewhat easier. EMMA will be modified to not check for license key. This update will be released through the patching system. Maestro will continue to manage the google code project and anyone who wants to contribute is free to contact him in order to gain the appropriate access rights. Personally, I'd rather see EMMA continue to grow and improve rather than fading away like so many other apps have done. A LOT of time has gone into it and it would be a shame to waste that. Hopefully the entirely open nature of the project and the wide exposure EMMA has enjoyed will draw more people into contributing their own changes and fixes. If Maestro is willing to maintain the repository, then I'd be happy to commit to that. :) I'll contact them later today. ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.19 12:14:00 - [49] This is great news, EMMA is one of those rare EVE apps that just fits a niche just right. Just as EFT filled a giant void, and Evemon as well, its everything a trader could want. Hell Ive even encouraged alliance leaders, industrialists to use it as well since nothing short of doing the legwork yourself in excel/access with manual pulls can track your corporate NAV, profits, daily activities, orders, etc... And its made my job as an auditor that much easier as well, having all that information easily pulled into a single SQL instance, I can make custom queries in excel looking for.. well whatever I want really! I've said it before and I'll say it again, the 100m fee was a paltry sum. I'd gladly pay even a recurring monthly charge to use this tool.
LeeBaak	Posted - 2009.06.19 12:56:00 - [50] Originally by: HawkBlade Originally by: HawkBlade However, I do have issues with someone else trying to take your work and push their own agenda/*aggrandizement* from it. Originally by: KaarBaak As long as people give credit where it's due, I fully support the continued growth of EMMA in whatever form it takes. In the future what you really said is spelled like this: "I don't know big words, could you please explain it simpler for me?" Stick to programming, YOUR English comprehension is shaky. To quote Inigo Montoya: "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it dies."
MonkeyDrummer Federal European Industry Science and Research	Posted - 2009.06.20 17:14:00 - [51] Only recently found Emma, great tool, still on my trial and hope you guys can find a way to keep the project going
Maestro Del'Tirith Space Exploration	Posted - 2009.06.20 23:41:00 - [52] Just wanted to supply a quick update - I am testing out the removal of the enforcement in dev mode (until I'm done, I don't recommend anybody run in dev mode at this time). Once I work the kinks out, I'll move it over to the main update - hopefully by end of day Monday. If things seem smooth there, I'll modify the original download accordingly towards the end of the week. ------------- Looking for a mature group to play with? Recruitment Thread
Maestro Del'Tirith Space Exploration	Posted - 2009.06.20 23:45:00 - [53] Originally by: Kouryusei I'll contact them later today. For development related queries, please contact me via google. If you go to the google code project, you can find me as the first listed Project Owner (I would state it more plainly, but putting email addresses in the forums is a no-no). ------------- Looking for a mature group to play with? Recruitment Thread
Maestro Del'Tirith Space Exploration	Posted - 2009.06.24 02:40:00 - [54] Another quick update - as you can no doubt tell as an EMMA user I have not yet updated the main application. Ran into some trouble (mostly build related) and am ironing things out before I post it over for general download. I'm confident by the end of the week, but the last thing I want to do is post a non-working build that borks both existing and new users. ------------- Looking for a mature group to play with? Recruitment Thread
MonkeyDrummer Federal European Industry Science and Research	Posted - 2009.06.24 12:12:00 - [55] Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith Another quick update - as you can no doubt tell as an EMMA user I have not yet updated the main application. Ran into some trouble (mostly build related) and am ironing things out before I post it over for general download. I'm confident by the end of the week, but the last thing I want to do is post a non-working build that borks both existing and new users. Thanks for the update mate.
Maestro Del'Tirith Space Exploration	Posted - 2009.06.26 02:24:00 - [56] Edited by: Maestro Del''Tirith on 26/06/2009 02:24:26 The free version has now been made the public update. I would request that brave souls with a working copy pull down the latest and give it a go - if you run into trouble (i.e. trouble you haven't run into before, this change does not include any additional fixes) then please remark here...if it works great, please note that as well. If you are less adventurous and would rather others dive into the deep end first, please feel free to hold off on clicking ok on that update button too soon.
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.06.26 03:49:00 - [57] I happy to have this free! I think its a great app! Trinity Corporate Services
tre introv Set Sail For Fail	Posted - 2009.06.26 03:56:00 - [58] ===================================================================================== EXCEPTION REPORT ===================================================================================== 6/25/2009 10:54:15 PM Error - EveMarketMonitorApp.Common.EMMAException - Problem loading main form. Inner Exception: The type initializer for 'EveMarketMonitorApp.DatabaseClasses.UserAccount' threw an exception. Stack Trace: at EveMarketMonitorApp.DatabaseClasses.UserAccount.set_Name(String value) at EveMarketMonitorApp.GUIElements.Main.Main_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e) Inner Exception: Could not load file or assembly 'System.Data.DataSetExtensions, Version=3.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089' or one of its dependencies. The system cannot find the file specified. Stack Trace: at EveMarketMonitorApp.DatabaseClasses.UserAccount..cctor() Getting exception when trying to login now. I was using the trial prior to this, did the update and started getting the error message.
Maestro Del'Tirith Space Exploration	Posted - 2009.06.26 13:20:00 - [59] Can you check your installed programs and let me know what the latest version listed is of the .Net framework, by Microsoft? Looks like I may have inadvertantly updated the requirement to framework 3.5. ------------- Looking for a mature group to play with? Recruitment Thread
Eiroze	Posted - 2009.06.26 13:28:00 - [60] Edited by: Eiroze on 26/06/2009 13:28:24 Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith Can you check your installed programs and let me know what the latest version listed is of the .Net framework, by Microsoft? Looks like I may have inadvertantly updated the requirement to framework 3.5. Certain recent versions of Visual Studio seem to do this automatically upon opening the .CSPROJ file. Edit: Dammit, this is Kou. Keep logging into the wrong account. In other news, I can't find an email address for you on the Google Code page. Could you drop me a line to [email protected] possibly?
tre introv Set Sail For Fail	Posted - 2009.06.26 16:07:00 - [61] .net 3.5 did resolve the problem. many thanks for a great program. too bad I didn't find it earlier.
Yurigon	Posted - 2009.06.26 17:13:00 - [62] Thanks again for making this free/open source.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.26 17:48:00 - [63] Just quick question, I have one PC that failed to recognize the lisc key Any particular procedure to get it up to this version?
Maestro Del'Tirith Space Exploration	Posted - 2009.06.27 02:13:00 - [64] Just install the client from scratch and run the updater - make sure you don't alter the default place where it is pulling updates from. The eve files location is where I have placed the update for now.
Vested Interest	Posted - 2009.06.28 05:53:00 - [65] I'm getting this error running an item report with items grouped. I haven't updated to the new release yet. ===================================================================================== EXCEPTION REPORT ===================================================================================== 6/27/2009 11:28:05 PM Error - EveMarketMonitorApp.Common.EMMAReportingException - Problem creating report. Inner Exception: Object reference not set to an instance of an object. Stack Trace: at EveMarketMonitorApp.Reporting.ItemReport.GetDataFromDatabase() at EveMarketMonitorApp.Reporting.ItemReport.FillReport() at EveMarketMonitorApp.Reporting.ReportBase.CreateReport(Dictionary`2 paramters) ===================================================================================== EXCEPTION REPORT ===================================================================================== 6/27/2009 11:45:35 PM Error - EveMarketMonitorApp.Common.EMMAReportingException - Problem creating report. Inner Exception: Object reference not set to an instance of an object. Stack Trace: at EveMarketMonitorApp.Reporting.ItemReport.GetDataFromDatabase() at EveMarketMonitorApp.Reporting.ItemReport.FillReport() at EveMarketMonitorApp.Reporting.ReportBase.CreateReport(Dictionary`2 paramters)
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.06.29 05:11:00 - [66] I downloaded EMMA onto a Vista system, and the first time I started it it worked! I made a new account, added my APIs, and enjoyed the shininess of a NAV report and Item report. Then I closed it and did other stuff. When I opened it again, it had decided that I smelled funny. It lags for a bit and then crashes. I uninstalled, re-installed, and now it won't even let me make a new account. Moreover, it has the cheek to spew out the following errors. The first one is from a popup that appears, and the next two are from the exception log. Quote: See the end of this message for details on invoking just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box. ************ Exception Text ********** System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object. at EveMarketMonitorApp.GUIElements.Main.ControlPanel_Move(Object sender, EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnMove(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnLocationChanged(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.UpdateBounds(Int32 x, Int32 y, Int32 width, Int32 height, Int32 clientWidth, Int32 clientHeight) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.UpdateBounds() at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam) Quote: ===================================================================================== EXCEPTION REPORT ===================================================================================== 6/28/2009 9:56:38 PM Error - EveMarketMonitorApp.Common.EMMADataException - Problem adding station to database. Inner Exception: Failed to update database "C:\PROGRAM FILES\EMMA\DATA\EVEDATA.MDF" because the database is read-only. Stack Trace: at System.Data.Common.DbDataAdapter.UpdatedRowStatusErrors(RowUpdatedEventArgs rowUpdatedEvent, BatchCommandInfo[] batchCommands, Int32 commandCount) at System.Data.Common.DbDataAdapter.UpdatedRowStatus(RowUpdatedEventArgs rowUpdatedEvent, BatchCommandInfo[] batchCommands, Int32 commandCount) at System.Data.Common.DbDataAdapter.Update(DataRow[] dataRows, DataTableMapping tableMapping) at System.Data.Common.DbDataAdapter.UpdateFromDataTable(DataTable dataTable, DataTableMapping tableMapping) at System.Data.Common.DbDataAdapter.Update(DataTable dataTable) at EveMarketMonitorApp.DatabaseClasses.EveDataSetTableAdapters.staStationsTableAdapter.Update(staStationsDataTable dataTable) at EveMarketMonitorApp.DatabaseClasses.Stations.AddStation(Int32 stationID, String stationName, Int32 solarSystemID, Int32 corpID) Quote:** EXCEPTION REPORT ===================================================================================== 6/28/2009 9:57:11 PM Error - EveMarketMonitorApp.Common.EMMAException - Cannot find account 'Frenden'
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.29 07:12:00 - [67] There are some known incompatibilities between MSSQL2005 (used by EMMA to store data) and Vista. What you see there is that the DB is seen as "read only" (probably a false message indicating something else) and thus your user cannot be added. If you are knowledgeable you can debug and fix this issue, else all you can try to do is to patch .NET to 3.51, launch Emma as administrator or at least with "run as administrator". Failing both, you may try and uninstall the thing as administrator and reinstall it (and later use it) as administrator

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