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Posted - 2009.06.18 16:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Aucello
Lately, I've been having to deal with several players that have trained to scan people down running their own missions, and I find it acceptable for them to come into my mission to steal this random salvage I've found. I understand completely why CCP allows this.
The player gets flagged if they steal loot from one of my wrecks, so why isn't the same true if they come to steal this random salvage I've found? What's that? You say the salvage belongs to me? Sure it doesn't. It doesn't belong to me as the loot within the wreck does. I expended the time, effort, and ammo to kill the mob, whilst they expended time and effort to find me. There wouldn't even be a wreck to loot and salvage if it wasn't for me. I'm the one taking the risk and these jackasses can just waltz in and clean-up to the server's content.
CCP tries to make this game as real and balanced as they can. If this were real life, we would have kill rights on offending parties when they steal loot, but salvaging isn't stealing so it is fine that we don't. Please make sure you don't reconsider your stance on this issue. There should be some risk for those who would run missions in empire.
Thank you,
Aucello
Fixed your post for you.
Seriously, when mission runners have to take risks to make ISK, then you have a valid point, until then, read this:
Point number 1
Mission ships don't do so well against PVP fit ships. That is just a fact. How many mission fits contain a warp scrambler/disruptor? How many mission fits use very specific hardeners? About all of them. Considering that shooting at a target even with aggression would cause them to have shooting rights on you, your mission ship will be OMGWTFBBQPWN'd by any reasonable ship brought out against you. This would cause more problems for mission runners like you as supply and demand would make your (now often replaced) ships much more expensive. Trust me when I say you would not find that fun.
Point Number 2
Salvage ninjas spend quite a lot of time training to learn how to probe down missioning ships. This means real game time of actually finding you, and training time. It is not fair, however you may justify it, to make this useless. And ninja salvaging makes much less profit than running your own missions, so you cannot complain that they are getting an unfair advantage.
Point Number 3
Originally by: GM Faolchu
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
Point Number 4
You can prevent ninja Salvagers from invading your mission by moving from missioning hubs to more quiet systems. I have on my main a nice L4q18 agent in a system with about 20 people in local MAX. This means my chances of having my salvage ninja'd is very small. However you may lose just a little profit on the mission.
Or move to low sec and get free aggression on them there!
I am not a salvage ninja, and I run my own missions, but I like to consider that salvaging ninjas make the game a better place by making it less like WOW. And these salvaging whines are getting old
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