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Dizirge
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Posted - 2004.09.18 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Dizirge on 18/09/2004 21:41:02
Edited by: Dizirge on 18/09/2004 21:36:20
Hi there i am auctioning the very rare Onieros cruiser logistic bpo as long as my reserve price is matched. also there will be a 1 hour sniper rule enforced also the auction will close on 24th september 11.00 pm eve time. happy bidding and can we keep the bids going up in 100 million a time thank u...the bid starts at 4billion isk
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Dizirge
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Posted - 2004.09.18 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Dizirge on 18/09/2004 21:41:02
Edited by: Dizirge on 18/09/2004 21:36:20
Hi there i am auctioning the very rare Onieros cruiser logistic bpo as long as my reserve price is matched. also there will be a 1 hour sniper rule enforced also the auction will close on 24th september 11.00 pm eve time. happy bidding and can we keep the bids going up in 100 million a time thank u...the bid starts at 4billion isk
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Kalle Port
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Posted - 2004.09.18 21:28:00 -
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100 mill
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Kalle Port
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Posted - 2004.09.18 21:28:00 -
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100 mill
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Lodhi
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Posted - 2004.09.18 23:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Dizirge
Edited by: Dizirge on 18/09/2004 21:41:02
Edited by: Dizirge on 18/09/2004 21:36:20
Hi there i am auctioning the very rare Onieros cruiser logistic bpo as long as my reserve price is matched. also there will be a 1 hour sniper rule enforced also the auction will close on 24th september 11.00 pm eve time. happy bidding and can we keep the bids going up in 100 million a time thank u...the bid starts at 4billion isk
Ok i might be drunk, but 4B for a pos (atm) cruiser bp, can i have what ure smoooooking :))
Cowboy > Mal you stay and daddy CB will buy you a new white and pink dress with lace |
Lodhi
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Posted - 2004.09.18 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dizirge
Edited by: Dizirge on 18/09/2004 21:41:02
Edited by: Dizirge on 18/09/2004 21:36:20
Hi there i am auctioning the very rare Onieros cruiser logistic bpo as long as my reserve price is matched. also there will be a 1 hour sniper rule enforced also the auction will close on 24th september 11.00 pm eve time. happy bidding and can we keep the bids going up in 100 million a time thank u...the bid starts at 4billion isk
Ok i might be drunk, but 4B for a pos (atm) cruiser bp, can i have what ure smoooooking :))
Cowboy > Mal you stay and daddy CB will buy you a new white and pink dress with lace |
Naal Morno
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Posted - 2004.09.18 23:45:00 -
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Edited by: Naal Morno on 18/09/2004 23:49:01
Just because you all don't see the potential of this ship, doesn't mean you can post substandard comments.
With logistics 5 one can run remote repairers at 25% required energy and when T2 remote repairers come in, man, this will be something every fighter would like to have behind their backs. You can set up truly amazing damage boats if you don't have to worry about energy/armor repairers...
I am truly advising the seller to keep the BPO for the time being until people realize potential of this ship (and moreover when T2 falvor of repairers hits R&D agents).
Here, I said it.
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2004.09.18 23:45:00 -
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Edited by: Naal Morno on 18/09/2004 23:49:01
Just because you all don't see the potential of this ship, doesn't mean you can post substandard comments.
With logistics 5 one can run remote repairers at 25% required energy and when T2 remote repairers come in, man, this will be something every fighter would like to have behind their backs. You can set up truly amazing damage boats if you don't have to worry about energy/armor repairers...
I am truly advising the seller to keep the BPO for the time being until people realize potential of this ship (and moreover when T2 falvor of repairers hits R&D agents).
Here, I said it.
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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Lodhi
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Posted - 2004.09.18 23:48:00 -
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i said atm pos cruiser, and still, this ship will be the first to get wtfpwnd in a battle..
So plz say in what way is it worth more then a 100M isk?
Cowboy > Mal you stay and daddy CB will buy you a new white and pink dress with lace |
Lodhi
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Posted - 2004.09.18 23:48:00 -
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i said atm pos cruiser, and still, this ship will be the first to get wtfpwnd in a battle..
So plz say in what way is it worth more then a 100M isk?
Cowboy > Mal you stay and daddy CB will buy you a new white and pink dress with lace |
Dave PSI
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Posted - 2004.09.19 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Dave PSI on 19/09/2004 00:14:33
sorry, didnt saw the minimum bid 4bil, is to much for me 
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Dave PSI
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Posted - 2004.09.19 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Dave PSI on 19/09/2004 00:14:33
sorry, didnt saw the minimum bid 4bil, is to much for me
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Sgt Drill
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Posted - 2004.09.19 00:15:00 -
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Seriously if it is rare why the heck is there byoc orders on it all ready 
nah if you had said starting price of one bill maybe you can sell it.
we are not talking Destroyer here boys we are talking support cruiser on the hull of the smallest cruiser .
But hey wish ou good luck with it
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Sgt Drill
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Posted - 2004.09.19 00:15:00 -
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Seriously if it is rare why the heck is there byoc orders on it all ready
nah if you had said starting price of one bill maybe you can sell it.
we are not talking Destroyer here boys we are talking support cruiser on the hull of the smallest cruiser .
But hey wish ou good luck with it
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2004.09.19 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Vegeta on 19/09/2004 00:32:48
A ship like this won't safe you in battle. If you're dead you're dead. Until they start costing less than 20 mill or so they will not be worth having, just because they will be too expensive to lose (based on my assumption of insurance payout, of course).
Asking 4 billion for a blueprint like this is what we call greed. People want, they insist, that their item is worth more than it really is. They dont realise how a market works. They dont follow the rules of auctioning and they have no business in this forum.
Auctions should start at 50% of estimated price, you're telling me you think this blueprint is worth 8 billion?
If you're trying to sell the blueprint for 4 billion. Make a sale. Dont auction it for 4 billion, it's not going to get you anywhere.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2004.09.19 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Vegeta on 19/09/2004 00:32:48
A ship like this won't safe you in battle. If you're dead you're dead. Until they start costing less than 20 mill or so they will not be worth having, just because they will be too expensive to lose (based on my assumption of insurance payout, of course).
Asking 4 billion for a blueprint like this is what we call greed. People want, they insist, that their item is worth more than it really is. They dont realise how a market works. They dont follow the rules of auctioning and they have no business in this forum.
Auctions should start at 50% of estimated price, you're telling me you think this blueprint is worth 8 billion?
If you're trying to sell the blueprint for 4 billion. Make a sale. Dont auction it for 4 billion, it's not going to get you anywhere.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Kaldrak
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Posted - 2004.09.19 00:38:00 -
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Agree with Vegeta.. for something that may prove to be a niche ship (altho' i hope not) the value of the ship ultimately should be worth the no. of BS saved in battle minus their collective insurance payout.
If it's not, then h3ll, it's cheaper to stick a pilot in a fresh BS and insure him yourself, no matter how sexeh the support cruiser is. *And* the BS pilot could actually shoot at the enemy too, boosting your offensive capability.
IMO reserve price should be 1bill, which would be easily met. But then don't listen to me, it ain't my bpo and i'm certainly not bidding on it either  |
Kaldrak
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Posted - 2004.09.19 00:38:00 -
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Agree with Vegeta.. for something that may prove to be a niche ship (altho' i hope not) the value of the ship ultimately should be worth the no. of BS saved in battle minus their collective insurance payout.
If it's not, then h3ll, it's cheaper to stick a pilot in a fresh BS and insure him yourself, no matter how sexeh the support cruiser is. *And* the BS pilot could actually shoot at the enemy too, boosting your offensive capability.
IMO reserve price should be 1bill, which would be easily met. But then don't listen to me, it ain't my bpo and i'm certainly not bidding on it either |
Dizirge
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Posted - 2004.09.19 00:49:00 -
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well the player rats no a good thing when they c 1...let me put it this way 1 alone isnt gonna do much but 5-6 of these babys and u in trouble..even sentry guns are gonna have a problem killing u ...also these sit 150k away from battle plus its gonna let u guys gate camp in 0.5 and up....maybe when some of u r on the receiving end of this method of attack u will realise the potential??
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Dizirge
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Posted - 2004.09.19 00:49:00 -
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well the player rats no a good thing when they c 1...let me put it this way 1 alone isnt gonna do much but 5-6 of these babys and u in trouble..even sentry guns are gonna have a problem killing u ...also these sit 150k away from battle plus its gonna let u guys gate camp in 0.5 and up....maybe when some of u r on the receiving end of this method of attack u will realise the potential??
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Shamad Conde
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Posted - 2004.09.19 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Naal Morno
Edited by: Naal Morno on 18/09/2004 23:49:01
I am truly advising the seller to keep the BPO for the time being until people realize potential of this ship (and moreover when T2 falvor of repairers hits R&D agents).
Here, I said it.
Amusing to say the least.
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Shamad Conde
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Posted - 2004.09.19 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Naal Morno
Edited by: Naal Morno on 18/09/2004 23:49:01
I am truly advising the seller to keep the BPO for the time being until people realize potential of this ship (and moreover when T2 falvor of repairers hits R&D agents).
Here, I said it.
Amusing to say the least.
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Lodhi
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Posted - 2004.09.19 01:21:00 -
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As i already stated, how the !"# can some1 even think that this bpo will bring them 4B?
For me if i c a support cruiser in action it will be the first thing to get blown out of the sky's, just for the joy of blowing 100m+ pos out of the sky...
Now once again plz tell my why is the bpo worth more the the 100m bidded? :)
Flame away all u want...
Cowboy > Mal you stay and daddy CB will buy you a new white and pink dress with lace |
Lodhi
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Posted - 2004.09.19 01:21:00 -
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As i already stated, how the !"# can some1 even think that this bpo will bring them 4B?
For me if i c a support cruiser in action it will be the first thing to get blown out of the sky's, just for the joy of blowing 100m+ pos out of the sky...
Now once again plz tell my why is the bpo worth more the the 100m bidded? :)
Flame away all u want...
Cowboy > Mal you stay and daddy CB will buy you a new white and pink dress with lace |
Vegeta
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Posted - 2004.09.19 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dizirge
well the player rats no a good thing when they c 1...let me put it this way 1 alone isnt gonna do much but 5-6 of these babys and u in trouble..even sentry guns are gonna have a problem killing u ...also these sit 150k away from battle plus its gonna let u guys gate camp in 0.5 and up....maybe when some of u r on the receiving end of this method of attack u will realise the potential??
You do realize that sentry guns CYCLE targets now, so that would make this impossible unless you had an indestructable support cruiser, which I doubt you do. When you help someone who is criminally flagged, you get flagged yourself. So no, you're wrong. Stop trying to justify this stupid thread.
Plus if you were to somoehow find a way to magically gatecamp in .5 or above, you could expect the GM's to be on you like flies within an hour or so.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2004.09.19 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dizirge
well the player rats no a good thing when they c 1...let me put it this way 1 alone isnt gonna do much but 5-6 of these babys and u in trouble..even sentry guns are gonna have a problem killing u ...also these sit 150k away from battle plus its gonna let u guys gate camp in 0.5 and up....maybe when some of u r on the receiving end of this method of attack u will realise the potential??
You do realize that sentry guns CYCLE targets now, so that would make this impossible unless you had an indestructable support cruiser, which I doubt you do. When you help someone who is criminally flagged, you get flagged yourself. So no, you're wrong. Stop trying to justify this stupid thread.
Plus if you were to somoehow find a way to magically gatecamp in .5 or above, you could expect the GM's to be on you like flies within an hour or so.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Badger
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Posted - 2004.09.19 14:41:00 -
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150m
Yes I have read it.
No, I don't agree with 4b
I am bidding what I think its worth.
B
Badger
Admiral of Ethics
Hadean Drive Yards
"Fear shouldn't hurt, just never put your hand into a bag of angr |
Badger
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Posted - 2004.09.19 14:41:00 -
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150m
Yes I have read it.
No, I don't agree with 4b
I am bidding what I think its worth.
B
Badger
Admiral of Ethics
Hadean Drive Yards
"Fear shouldn't hurt, just never put your hand into a bag of angr |
Diego
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Posted - 2004.09.19 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dizirge
well the player rats no a good thing when they c 1...let me put it this way 1 alone isnt gonna do much but 5-6 of these babys and u in trouble..even sentry guns are gonna have a problem killing u ...also these sit 150k away from battle plus its gonna let u guys gate camp in 0.5 and up....maybe when some of u r on the receiving end of this method of attack u will realise the potential??
You now that the only thing that will bring is a bann from ccp and even thougher defences into 0.5 systems. that is the cheapes sales trick of a usless Bpo 
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Diego
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Posted - 2004.09.19 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dizirge
well the player rats no a good thing when they c 1...let me put it this way 1 alone isnt gonna do much but 5-6 of these babys and u in trouble..even sentry guns are gonna have a problem killing u ...also these sit 150k away from battle plus its gonna let u guys gate camp in 0.5 and up....maybe when some of u r on the receiving end of this method of attack u will realise the potential??
You now that the only thing that will bring is a bann from ccp and even thougher defences into 0.5 systems. that is the cheapes sales trick of a usless Bpo
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Maiwenn LeBesc0
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Posted - 2004.09.19 15:49:00 -
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ok, so lets all put 5 or 6 100 mil isk cruisers 150k away from the battle. lets put them away from where they will be protected. lets forget these things mount no weapons.
and then, lets all be naive enough to suggest that a frigate or 2 wont go and decimate the defenseless 100 mil cruisers. these cruisers are not worth 20 mil isk.
4 billion isk? die of acne. |
Maiwenn LeBesc0
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Posted - 2004.09.19 15:49:00 -
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ok, so lets all put 5 or 6 100 mil isk cruisers 150k away from the battle. lets put them away from where they will be protected. lets forget these things mount no weapons.
and then, lets all be naive enough to suggest that a frigate or 2 wont go and decimate the defenseless 100 mil cruisers. these cruisers are not worth 20 mil isk.
4 billion isk? die of acne. |
G8torSkull
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Posted - 2004.09.19 16:43:00 -
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well u got to see his logic as every f**king frigate bpo that has been cycling thru here has been going for around the same price. and now he has a cruiser yes cruiser bpo. logic standing would make anyone think their cruiser bpo would sell for more than a frigate bpo. wouldnt it?
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G8torSkull
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Posted - 2004.09.19 16:43:00 -
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well u got to see his logic as every f**king frigate bpo that has been cycling thru here has been going for around the same price. and now he has a cruiser yes cruiser bpo. logic standing would make anyone think their cruiser bpo would sell for more than a frigate bpo. wouldnt it?
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2004.09.19 17:33:00 -
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Woohoo 4bil 
Do you blame ppl for being greedy, or CCP for making the BPO's like they are now?
Too much time to manufacture even 1 ship, lots of components that only drop from crappy agent missions and then the limited availability of BPO's(that's a good thing)...
These things cost an arm and a leg and I would never pay 100mil, just on principle mind you.
You cannot even place them too far out of harms way as many ppl think... 37,5 km is the max range you have to be from the target you want to repair armor (with a medium remote armor rep+ship bonus) 
Sooo....warp in, repair 1 cycle and get the heck out is the only viable strategy in pvp or you go pop!
If they change something we'll see... although you can count that someone will indeed buy it for 4 bil |
ElCoCo
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Posted - 2004.09.19 17:33:00 -
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Woohoo 4bil
Do you blame ppl for being greedy, or CCP for making the BPO's like they are now?
Too much time to manufacture even 1 ship, lots of components that only drop from crappy agent missions and then the limited availability of BPO's(that's a good thing)...
These things cost an arm and a leg and I would never pay 100mil, just on principle mind you.
You cannot even place them too far out of harms way as many ppl think... 37,5 km is the max range you have to be from the target you want to repair armor (with a medium remote armor rep+ship bonus)
Sooo....warp in, repair 1 cycle and get the heck out is the only viable strategy in pvp or you go pop!
If they change something we'll see... although you can count that someone will indeed buy it for 4 bil |
Dizirge
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Posted - 2004.09.19 17:59:00 -
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i have heard frigs going for 3 billion isk (bpo) so i thought well this is a cruiser what can be really really usefull in battle so if a assault frig goes for 3 billion sureley this must be worth more..anyway its good to get everyones opinion and we will c if u are all right and this is the worst ship ccp have brought out.
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Dizirge
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Posted - 2004.09.19 17:59:00 -
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i have heard frigs going for 3 billion isk (bpo) so i thought well this is a cruiser what can be really really usefull in battle so if a assault frig goes for 3 billion sureley this must be worth more..anyway its good to get everyones opinion and we will c if u are all right and this is the worst ship ccp have brought out.
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Tsun
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Posted - 2004.09.19 19:01:00 -
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well guys, you know this is not only about the usefulness of those cruisers. i do think they are very viable and cool (and i would love to fly and use one of those, i've always liked the priest / cleric syle).
but the most important fact are those freaking skill requirements. You have to train for around 2 months (lucky guess now, but a f*king long time) to be able to fly those, and even someone like me, who would like to fly them, can't be bothered to spend so much time.
This means you will do VERY hard in selling those ships because there will be very few potential customers, which means it will simply not possible to earn an investment of 4 billion for this bpo back in a reasonable timeframe.
this is the reason why so high prices are paid for frig bpo's. they can be sold alot better :D
oh and btw, the harpy bpo was sold for 6.1 billion (and no, my corp didn't buy it sadly)
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Tsun
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Posted - 2004.09.19 19:01:00 -
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well guys, you know this is not only about the usefulness of those cruisers. i do think they are very viable and cool (and i would love to fly and use one of those, i've always liked the priest / cleric syle).
but the most important fact are those freaking skill requirements. You have to train for around 2 months (lucky guess now, but a f*king long time) to be able to fly those, and even someone like me, who would like to fly them, can't be bothered to spend so much time.
This means you will do VERY hard in selling those ships because there will be very few potential customers, which means it will simply not possible to earn an investment of 4 billion for this bpo back in a reasonable timeframe.
this is the reason why so high prices are paid for frig bpo's. they can be sold alot better :D
oh and btw, the harpy bpo was sold for 6.1 billion (and no, my corp didn't buy it sadly)
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Mari Y'Tuk
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Posted - 2004.09.19 19:08:00 -
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Aye the small market for these ships really destroys the value
Anyway I offer 400mil isk
My Production Spreadsheet, Most T1 Bp data, Located here. |
Mari Y'Tuk
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Posted - 2004.09.19 19:08:00 -
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Aye the small market for these ships really destroys the value
Anyway I offer 400mil isk
My Production Spreadsheet, Most T1 Bp data, Located here. |
Kaldrak
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Posted - 2004.09.19 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dizirge
anyway its good to get everyones opinion and we will c if u are all right and this is the worst ship ccp have brought out.
It's not the 'worst' ship by any means... it just will not be the most expensive blueprint yet.
Don't feel so bad.. you certainly should get 1bill+ for it  |
Kaldrak
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Posted - 2004.09.19 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dizirge
anyway its good to get everyones opinion and we will c if u are all right and this is the worst ship ccp have brought out.
It's not the 'worst' ship by any means... it just will not be the most expensive blueprint yet.
Don't feel so bad.. you certainly should get 1bill+ for it |
Naal Morno
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Posted - 2004.09.19 20:49:00 -
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Lol, nice job all on bashing/lowering value of this print.
Since you won't sell this BPO, contact me once you start production so that we can discuss pricing etc.
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2004.09.19 20:49:00 -
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Lol, nice job all on bashing/lowering value of this print.
Since you won't sell this BPO, contact me once you start production so that we can discuss pricing etc.
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2004.09.19 20:59:00 -
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And to stir the subject a bit...
Hawk assault frigate BPO sold for 6.1 billion today
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2004.09.19 20:59:00 -
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And to stir the subject a bit...
Hawk assault frigate BPO sold for 6.1 billion today
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.09.19 21:17:00 -
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Its no good in empire unless ur at war. In 0.0 its a 100mill cruiser u dont need to say ne more.
And last its lvl5 skill need mean for atleast another couple of months the people able to use it will be low in number.
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.09.19 21:17:00 -
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Its no good in empire unless ur at war. In 0.0 its a 100mill cruiser u dont need to say ne more.
And last its lvl5 skill need mean for atleast another couple of months the people able to use it will be low in number.
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
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Dave PSI
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Posted - 2004.09.19 22:49:00 -
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i think we all need cruiser lvl 5 for the coming ships in shiva
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Dave PSI
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Posted - 2004.09.19 22:49:00 -
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i think we all need cruiser lvl 5 for the coming ships in shiva
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2004.09.20 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Naal Morno on 20/09/2004 01:49:46
Originally by: fairimear
Its no good in empire unless ur at war. In 0.0 its a 100mill cruiser u dont need to say ne more.
And last its lvl5 skill need mean for atleast another couple of months the people able to use it will be low in number.
It is priced 59.99 mil at my place, same at NAGA.
Yes, all will need L5 cruiser for shiva, and bunch of other skills at L5 I bet.
And everyone is missing the point that with dedicated player you can run remote armor repairer for FREE (no energy used, both skills at L5). So there.
BTW, taking orders.
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2004.09.20 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Naal Morno on 20/09/2004 01:49:46
Originally by: fairimear
Its no good in empire unless ur at war. In 0.0 its a 100mill cruiser u dont need to say ne more.
And last its lvl5 skill need mean for atleast another couple of months the people able to use it will be low in number.
It is priced 59.99 mil at my place, same at NAGA.
Yes, all will need L5 cruiser for shiva, and bunch of other skills at L5 I bet.
And everyone is missing the point that with dedicated player you can run remote armor repairer for FREE (no energy used, both skills at L5). So there.
BTW, taking orders.
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.09.20 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Naal Morno
Edited by: Naal Morno on 20/09/2004 01:49:46
Originally by: fairimear
Its no good in empire unless ur at war. In 0.0 its a 100mill cruiser u dont need to say ne more.
And last its lvl5 skill need mean for atleast another couple of months the people able to use it will be low in number.
It is priced 59.99 mil at my place, same at NAGA.
Yes, all will need L5 cruiser for shiva, and bunch of other skills at L5 I bet.
And everyone is missing the point that with dedicated player you can run remote armor repairer for FREE (no energy used, both skills at L5). So there.
BTW, taking orders.
I don't think everyone is going to need lvl5 cruiser for shiva :)
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.09.20 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Naal Morno
Edited by: Naal Morno on 20/09/2004 01:49:46
Originally by: fairimear
Its no good in empire unless ur at war. In 0.0 its a 100mill cruiser u dont need to say ne more.
And last its lvl5 skill need mean for atleast another couple of months the people able to use it will be low in number.
It is priced 59.99 mil at my place, same at NAGA.
Yes, all will need L5 cruiser for shiva, and bunch of other skills at L5 I bet.
And everyone is missing the point that with dedicated player you can run remote armor repairer for FREE (no energy used, both skills at L5). So there.
BTW, taking orders.
I don't think everyone is going to need lvl5 cruiser for shiva :)
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2004.09.20 04:15:00 -
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Well, not if you still want to fly normal ships...
Anyway, anybody flying cruisers should get L5 just like any frigate pilot should/must get L5 frigate.
Thanks.
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2004.09.20 04:15:00 -
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Well, not if you still want to fly normal ships...
Anyway, anybody flying cruisers should get L5 just like any frigate pilot should/must get L5 frigate.
Thanks.
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Commander Vimes
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Posted - 2004.09.20 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Naal Morno
And to stir the subject a bit...
Hawk assault frigate BPO sold for 6.1 billion today
and to stir things up further, the ishkur bpo went for 1.5bill the other day.
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Commander Vimes
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Posted - 2004.09.20 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Naal Morno
And to stir the subject a bit...
Hawk assault frigate BPO sold for 6.1 billion today
and to stir things up further, the ishkur bpo went for 1.5bill the other day.
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Nilit
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Posted - 2004.09.20 09:20:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Naal Morno
And to stir the subject a bit...
Hawk assault frigate BPO sold for 6.1 billion today
Good luck getting their money back whoever bought it
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Nilit
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Posted - 2004.09.20 09:20:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Naal Morno
And to stir the subject a bit...
Hawk assault frigate BPO sold for 6.1 billion today
Good luck getting their money back whoever bought it
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Raven Dru
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Posted - 2004.09.20 10:28:00 -
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Just an idea but...
Whats going to happen when Shiva arrives and every major corp in Eve has their own Stations, factories, research stations and have them all protected by sentry guns? Obviously somebody is going to come along and attack your prized assets. Wouldnt a support cruiser then be a valuable corp asset in such a case with its unique abilities to defend and repair your assets?
The support cruiser is a purely defensive ship. Why do you think it cant use weapons? I dont believe it was designed for battle at all. I do believe it's true use will become apparent once Shiva arrives and anyone who owns one of these BPO's will then and only then reap the benefits of owning this bpo.
My advice is to lock this bpo away till then or research its build efficiency. In just a few weeks time those people questioning the cost of the bpo and the ship in general will have been converted and if you still want to sell then, at least your going to find a better audience for your auction.
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Raven Dru
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Posted - 2004.09.20 10:28:00 -
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Just an idea but...
Whats going to happen when Shiva arrives and every major corp in Eve has their own Stations, factories, research stations and have them all protected by sentry guns? Obviously somebody is going to come along and attack your prized assets. Wouldnt a support cruiser then be a valuable corp asset in such a case with its unique abilities to defend and repair your assets?
The support cruiser is a purely defensive ship. Why do you think it cant use weapons? I dont believe it was designed for battle at all. I do believe it's true use will become apparent once Shiva arrives and anyone who owns one of these BPO's will then and only then reap the benefits of owning this bpo.
My advice is to lock this bpo away till then or research its build efficiency. In just a few weeks time those people questioning the cost of the bpo and the ship in general will have been converted and if you still want to sell then, at least your going to find a better audience for your auction.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.09.20 11:00:00 -
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The moment component bpo's hit the market, this bpo will raise in price a little.
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Posted - 2004.09.20 11:00:00 -
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The moment component bpo's hit the market, this bpo will raise in price a little.
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.09.20 13:24:00 -
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What Naal said is true.
I'd hate to see such a beauty go for less than what an assault frig bpo costed (which are the most useless ships atm).
At least this one has a (potentially) crucial role in combat.
We will need to see a lot of changes in his game to actually see them in combat though.
I'll stfu now and watch how this auction goes.
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.09.20 13:24:00 -
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What Naal said is true.
I'd hate to see such a beauty go for less than what an assault frig bpo costed (which are the most useless ships atm).
At least this one has a (potentially) crucial role in combat.
We will need to see a lot of changes in his game to actually see them in combat though.
I'll stfu now and watch how this auction goes.
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Joe
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Posted - 2004.09.20 13:55:00 -
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Is 4 bil the reserve at which you will sell, or as your starting price, is your reserve higher?
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Joe
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Posted - 2004.09.20 13:55:00 -
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Is 4 bil the reserve at which you will sell, or as your starting price, is your reserve higher?
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Anice
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Posted - 2004.09.20 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Vimes
and to stir things up further, the ishkur bpo went for 1.5bill the other day.
I really doubt that. The seller is an idiot if its true though ;)
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Anice
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Posted - 2004.09.20 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Vimes
and to stir things up further, the ishkur bpo went for 1.5bill the other day.
I really doubt that. The seller is an idiot if its true though ;)
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Tsun
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Posted - 2004.09.20 17:15:00 -
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feta, you don't want to understand it or ?
Every man and his dog has the skill requirements for assault frigs and can use them and more importantly WANTS to use them. Lots of eve players tries to buy one (just follow the WTS: assault frig threads on the boards here). This is the reason why assault ship bpo's are sold for such enormous sums, because producers believe they can re-earm the initial investment after a couple of months (which still remains to be seen thou).
On the other hand look at the threads where people offer to sell their support cruisers. To be honest i have yet to see a "i'll buy one" post in one of those threads. Only some people are interested in using them and most of them are scared away by the insane skill reqs and the yet still high prices. so you can actually sell only very few of them which makes it very hard to earn an initial investment of a couple of billions back in a decent timeframe. Thus the bpo value of a logistics cruiser is much less then the bpo value of an assault frig.
It is all about offer and demand and market dynamics. it is not really about which ship is useless or not. in my opinion no ship is useless, else ccp wouldn't have brought them in :)
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Tsun
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Posted - 2004.09.20 17:15:00 -
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feta, you don't want to understand it or ?
Every man and his dog has the skill requirements for assault frigs and can use them and more importantly WANTS to use them. Lots of eve players tries to buy one (just follow the WTS: assault frig threads on the boards here). This is the reason why assault ship bpo's are sold for such enormous sums, because producers believe they can re-earm the initial investment after a couple of months (which still remains to be seen thou).
On the other hand look at the threads where people offer to sell their support cruisers. To be honest i have yet to see a "i'll buy one" post in one of those threads. Only some people are interested in using them and most of them are scared away by the insane skill reqs and the yet still high prices. so you can actually sell only very few of them which makes it very hard to earn an initial investment of a couple of billions back in a decent timeframe. Thus the bpo value of a logistics cruiser is much less then the bpo value of an assault frig.
It is all about offer and demand and market dynamics. it is not really about which ship is useless or not. in my opinion no ship is useless, else ccp wouldn't have brought them in :)
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Tarm
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Posted - 2004.09.20 17:57:00 -
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This guy keeps quoting that with logistics level 5 you can run without cost (which isn't a true statement to begin with) but he fails to realize that logistics is a rank 5 skill. Couple this with the cruiser level 5 requirement, the 2 electronics skills required to be at level 5, and training remote armor repairers or whatever module you're going to use and you are talking almost 3 months worth of training for this ONE SHIP that doesn't even contribute much to the tide of battle.
Check this out.
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Tarm
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Posted - 2004.09.20 17:57:00 -
[76]
This guy keeps quoting that with logistics level 5 you can run without cost (which isn't a true statement to begin with) but he fails to realize that logistics is a rank 5 skill. Couple this with the cruiser level 5 requirement, the 2 electronics skills required to be at level 5, and training remote armor repairers or whatever module you're going to use and you are talking almost 3 months worth of training for this ONE SHIP that doesn't even contribute much to the tide of battle.
Check this out.
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Dave PSI
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Posted - 2004.09.20 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Dave PSI on 20/09/2004 18:22:39
sorry
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Dave PSI
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Posted - 2004.09.20 18:19:00 -
[78]
500mil
and Dizirge, plz tell us if you want to sell it under 4 bil. And perhaps where your reserve is.
thx David
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Dave PSI
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Posted - 2004.09.20 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Dave PSI on 20/09/2004 18:22:21
sorry, i click too fast for the the speed of the forum
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Dave PSI
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Posted - 2004.09.20 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Dave PSI on 20/09/2004 18:22:21
sorry, i click too fast for the the speed of the forum
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Dave PSI
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Posted - 2004.09.20 18:19:00 -
[81]
500mil
and Dizirge, plz tell us if you want to sell it under 4 bil. And perhaps where your reserve is.
thx David
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Dave PSI
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Posted - 2004.09.20 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Dave PSI on 20/09/2004 18:22:39
sorry
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Tanner Mirabel
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Posted - 2004.09.21 11:20:00 -
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Hi Dizirge, could you let us know if you are going to drop the asking/reserve price. Im sure there are people out there who are really interested in obtaining this (me included) but aren't bidding because they don't want to go to 4 billion and feel that its pointless bidding as they their bid won't be valid. If you could clarify the details and let everyone know what the situation is then you will get more people putting bids in and of course the more bids you get the higher the end price and more isk in your pocket.... hmm, thinking about it maybe you should just let me know and just before the end of the auction
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Tanner Mirabel
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Posted - 2004.09.21 11:20:00 -
[84]
Hi Dizirge, could you let us know if you are going to drop the asking/reserve price. Im sure there are people out there who are really interested in obtaining this (me included) but aren't bidding because they don't want to go to 4 billion and feel that its pointless bidding as they their bid won't be valid. If you could clarify the details and let everyone know what the situation is then you will get more people putting bids in and of course the more bids you get the higher the end price and more isk in your pocket.... hmm, thinking about it maybe you should just let me know and just before the end of the auction
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.09.21 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tanner Mirabel
Hi Dizirge, could you let us know if you are going to drop the asking/reserve price. Im sure there are people out there who are really interested in obtaining this (me included) but aren't bidding because they don't want to go to 4 billion and feel that its pointless bidding as they their bid won't be valid. If you could clarify the details and let everyone know what the situation is then you will get more people putting bids in and of course the more bids you get the higher the end price and more isk in your pocket.... hmm, thinking about it maybe you should just let me know and just before the end of the auction
Yep, same here please.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.09.21 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tanner Mirabel
Hi Dizirge, could you let us know if you are going to drop the asking/reserve price. Im sure there are people out there who are really interested in obtaining this (me included) but aren't bidding because they don't want to go to 4 billion and feel that its pointless bidding as they their bid won't be valid. If you could clarify the details and let everyone know what the situation is then you will get more people putting bids in and of course the more bids you get the higher the end price and more isk in your pocket.... hmm, thinking about it maybe you should just let me know and just before the end of the auction
Yep, same here please.
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Dizirge
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Posted - 2004.09.23 08:24:00 -
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thanks for all your liveley banter its been great to get peoples opinions...nope it will still go for 4 bil minimum..now i probably wont sell it but i do believe when shiva comes out this ship will have a major impact in the game. im not in a rush to sell it and im now more then interested to see if alot if u guys are right or will it surprise everyone and become a popular ship. whichever way u look at it u aint gonna smash through a corp barricade with some of these backing you.
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Dizirge
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Posted - 2004.09.23 08:24:00 -
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thanks for all your liveley banter its been great to get peoples opinions...nope it will still go for 4 bil minimum..now i probably wont sell it but i do believe when shiva comes out this ship will have a major impact in the game. im not in a rush to sell it and im now more then interested to see if alot if u guys are right or will it surprise everyone and become a popular ship. whichever way u look at it u aint gonna smash through a corp barricade with some of these backing you.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.09.23 09:32:00 -
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over time its bound to become a bit more populer as more people will train lvl5 cruiser for other things but atm its the only 1 to require it and people r more intrested in t2 guns for now.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.09.23 09:32:00 -
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over time its bound to become a bit more populer as more people will train lvl5 cruiser for other things but atm its the only 1 to require it and people r more intrested in t2 guns for now.
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