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Shea Klant	Posted - 2009.06.24 13:03:00 - [61] I'd rather them just push on to shader 3 and push out the ppl that have been hampering any real improvements to Eve. The OP case in point. I'd be surprised if his computer could handle 400 ships fighting it out even if they were nothing more than a dot on the screeen. Not everything about upgrading is about the shiny things in life. Upgrades to the GPU brings along those all important CPU/MD/RAM/HD improvements. Eve should steal a play out of Valve's playbook and put in a hardware survey feature and target the middle 50% of users with their software. When you drop down into the bottom 10% sorry, but time to put ol' reliable to sleep.
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.24 13:14:00 - [62] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 24/06/2009 13:19:51 Originally by: PeHD0M Edited by: PeHD0M on 21/06/2009 20:47:20 I think that graphic was better in classic version. - ships and station texture color (amarr (new are bloody rusted.. not gold like they should be), gallante(dark green was much better)) - station interiors - effects (warping, scramble, cynojump, eccm, sensor booster, armor reps, shield booster..) - sound (new sound is just beep %$#@&* beep) I'm not against the tech upgrades.. but i don't like the downgrades in quality. /QFT Old Classic Client had BETTER graphics than the Premium Lite, and the sound engine gave more than a simple silence. Premium Lite is ugly at hell and there is nothing who could excuse it. CCP just did the minimum of minimum and gave the least time possible to cover low-tech computers. The worse I see, was after I docked in an Amarr station ... Now I am sure that CCP hate his customers and consider them just as a wallet funder. Scalability can be done correctly, just see Valve... CCP always prefered easy and uncomplete solutions implementable fastly, to resolve serious issues, same if the work can't be considered as done. CCP never changes. _______ Local is fine, period.
Ansonya Triastolis	Posted - 2009.06.24 16:07:00 - [63] Originally by: Nikos Iscariot Other than digging up the old models, and maybe changing the colors so they can be used for the newer hull additions, I don't see where this monumental pile of extra work for CCP would come from were they to reimplement the old client or a rough equivalent. With the addition of the Strategic Cruisers (Tech 3) where the model changes based on the subsystems used... 4 racial ships x 5 subsystems x 4 versions of each subsystem = 80 new models. To maintain the classic client would mean that those 80 models would need to have been done twice. My computer isn't too great either (though it is just over a year old). If you haven't upgraded to Vista, you're not going to be able to use more than 3 GB of RAM anyway (unless you are running XP Pro 64-bit edition).
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.24 17:50:00 - [64] $500 a year is more than you need to spend, $500 every 3 years does me fine, only game I couldn't run was Crysis (an issue with the game, What a dog of an engine) Thats $160 a year, or about $13 a month If you can't afford 13/month then you need a new hobby. Not that many can be had for such small change. Thats not even a night down the pub. Maintaining two clients means a lot of extra work for CCP. More work = less new content, less performance, or extra money. Stop trying to hold everyone back because you can't be bothered to spend peanuts to keep a hobby going.
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.24 20:47:00 - [65] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 24/06/2009 20:47:50 Yeah, 13$ a month. This forget the possibility that the game called "IRL" make you a bad move or give a bad surprise, and so you need to spend the money spared for computer upgrade. Or that you know that you must upgrade, but you don't want to because you are too close of a period of vast technological changes and you hate waste money (Socket size from Intel for Core I3/5/7, RV870, etc...). Etc... This just permit to CCP to not have to optimize their engine, and the worse, with the support of some blinded fanboys.
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.24 23:51:00 - [66] Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 24/06/2009 20:47:50 Yeah, 13$ a month. This forget the possibility that the game called "IRL" make you a bad move or give a bad surprise, and so you need to spend the money spared for computer upgrade. Or that you know that you must upgrade, but you don't want to because you are too close of a period of vast technological changes and you hate waste money (Socket size from Intel for Core I3/5/7, RV870, etc...). Etc... This just permit to CCP to not have to optimize their engine, and the worse, with the support of some blinded fanboys. A little hint, If you are so **ed in real life you can't afford $3 a week to upgrade your computer (which by virtue of the fact you're posting on this forums, I'll bet that computer gets plenty of use) You can't afford to be playing internet spaceships anyway.** For petes sake, I can't even get a pint for that nowadays. Even at minimum wage its what, 20 mins work a week to keep your pc up to date? Fanboy? Please, If your going to insult me, Do it right or don't do it at all.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.25 00:58:00 - [67] Originally by: Vidi Angelus Even at minimum wage its what, 20 mins work a week to keep your pc up to date? His mom probably laughed when he asked her to work another 20 minutes a week so he can upgrade.
Thuranni ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff	Posted - 2009.06.25 01:31:00 - [68] itt: whiners
Straight Chillen Gallente Solar Wind AAA Citizens	Posted - 2009.06.25 07:35:00 - [69] I agree with the OP, I think the Classic client ran much smoother then this new "premium light" crap thing theyve forced us to use. Hell I would be content if when you turned off the effects, it actually turned them all off
Anhammerad Nearly Feared	Posted - 2009.06.25 07:48:00 - [70] Edited by: Anhammerad on 25/06/2009 07:51:11 Having two separate clients means two platforms to develop new textures, ship models and additional content for, which means double the development time for patches and double the cost. Originally by: Shea Klant Eve should steal a play out of Valve's playbook and put in a hardware survey feature and target the middle 50% of users with their software. When you drop down into the bottom 10% sorry, but time to put ol' reliable to sleep. This is a good idea, but unfortunately a lot of people these days seem to be of the opinion that any company attempting to do this is instantly trying to spy on them and steal information from their computer .

thatbloke Gallente Haven NetWorks	Posted - 2009.06.25 08:06:00 - [71] Originally by: Cors Originally by: Nikos Iscariot Edited by: Nikos Iscariot on 21/06/2009 05:59:10 Boy, you guys are classic. I never thought there would be so many people dead set against others having the option to run an alternative client. Interestingly, few the responses here come from players that ever have to deal with more than 200 people on-grid, and certainly not in free-for-all conditions such as a Thunderdome. Next time I pose a question to the community, I guess I'd better use an alt to avoid the politics. All the same, a bare bones client version would be of great use to multi-boxers, who could use the saved system resources to watch The Simpsons while they run that complex with a fleet of themselves. It would be a boon to fleet commanders, who care more about loading the grid as fast as possible than seeing the details of a nearby moon's craters. And from CCP's point of view, it expands their market to include hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world whose goals are something other than "staying ahead of the e-curve" and whose hardware may be a bit dated, but who bring cash money to the table all the same. I might be a Goon whose student aid ain't coming through for a while, but don't get hung up on my plight. Consider the poor former soviet-bloc girl whose school library could only run EVE from back in the days of Trinity. Surely you wouldn't deny her the chance to play this game? Listen.. Kid. You are not READING what we say. If you have an up to date computer. Even when in fleet battles of 500vs500 you will get decent speeds. If you have an OLD computer, you won't. I've been fighting against you goonies for years. Trust me. There are a LOT of us out there with high end current systems who enjoy 50+ FPS in major fleet battles, with 50-100 carries and their drones, dreads, bubbles everywhere, pos's, dozens of pos modules, wrecks, corpses all over, DDD's going off.. What we're all trying to say is that if you upgrade, optomize the client for pvp(Meaning brackets off, tags off, drones off, weapons off) you'll get good FPS. If your computer is 3+ years old though, it won't be able to handle more then a 100 vs 100 if that. It's a simply horsepower. Yours doesn't have enough. *****ing and whineing for a stripped down client is not needed. The stripped down client can be had by turning off all the special effects in the options menu. UPGRADE. thinking that we're throwing this at you because you're a goon is false. The invective you've seen is because you're a goon, but if you search for the last thread of this nature, people responded exactly the same way to JoeCarebear when he whined for a classic client. upgrade your coleco vision, and experience fast fps even when you're in the thunderdrome. This guy nailed it right on the head. Upgrading your computer to a system that will be able to run EVE capably during the large flieet fights you mention is NOT an expensive thing to do anymore. You can buy a ú100 or so motherboard bundle with a dual core processor on it and 2GB RAM and a ú40-ú50 or so graphics card from an online retailer and you will very easily be able to run multiple clients on that system with no problems. Setting all of the settings to off/low in the options is very similar to what the classic client would be anyway, so if your system still cannot run it then you're going to get no sympathy here.
Verx Interis Amarr SkyNet.	Posted - 2009.06.25 08:09:00 - [72] Edited by: Verx Interis on 25/06/2009 08:09:22 Originally by: Nikos Iscariot For example, Goonswarm just threw it's largest frigate thunderdome yet, with over 400 pilots swarming around a deep space bubble in a fight to the last man standing. For many of us, this turned into a painful slideshow with modules taking 10 minutes to respond and the grid requiring 2 minutes to load. Um, actually.. That's called lag and has nothing to do with the detail of the graphics.. That's just the internet.
Kappas. Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.06.25 08:31:00 - [73] So... everyone in this thread saying bring back classic graphics would like all of Eve's non-cheapskate subscribers to lose out on bugfixes/new features because they themselves are cheapskates who haven't bought a new pc in 10 years? um... yeah. __________________
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.25 09:12:00 - [74] Originally by: Vidi Angelus A little hint, If you are so **ed in real life you can't afford $3 a week to upgrade your computer (which by virtue of the fact you're posting on this forums, I'll bet that computer gets plenty of use) You can't afford to be playing internet spaceships anyway. For petes sake, I can't even get a pint for that nowadays. Even at minimum wage its what, 20 mins work a week to keep your pc up to date? A little hint, playing internet spaceships can be less expensive that you think. I mean : Gee-Tee-Cee and Plexxeuh. Indeed, it is so easy to spare money, that everyone do it in this world and there is no poverty. Oh wait... Well, I don't have time to waste with a nolife. I have to complete my annual income declaration form for the state, today is the last day before fines. Originally by:** Kappas. So... everyone in this thread saying bring back classic graphics would like all of Eve's non-cheapskate subscribers to lose out on bugfixes/new features because they themselves are cheapskates who haven't bought a new pc in 10 years? um... yeah. Fanboy who don't know read spotted. That I hope, is that CCP will optimize his graphic engine and make the LOW settings visually good, as least as good as the old Classic Client. The actual version is just a joke, a regression.
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.06.25 11:34:00 - [75] Originally by: Strak Yogorn guess you are going to LOVE it when they switch to SM3 then. (then again, it will probably affect alot more players, myself included) Cool gief SM3 minimum now, i wants even prettier graphics
Boris Varshavsky Caldari XenoC0RP	Posted - 2009.06.25 12:27:00 - [76] Just going to use this thread as a method to ask my question: How good does EvE look with full graphics settings on a 1920x1080 resolution? also, which parts support this and some of the biggest alliance feet fights out there?
Talianax Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.25 12:29:00 - [77] rather have CCP devote manpower to make new content and fix current bugs then have lots of them make the light client again just so you can look at your nice little rifter because you are too cheap to get a decent upgrade.
Ciara Daag Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.06.25 17:15:00 - [78] Originally by: Nikos Iscariot Before anyone slanders my old but trusty computer, I have decent memory, a 1.8ghz processor and a Radieon 9800 Pro video card. Not top shelf any more, but it certainly should be able to handle the minimum settings in a game which needn't require graphics at all. Just look at TradeWars, a predecessor to EVE which worked perfectly fine through text alone. As anyone with fleet experience can tell you, one of the first things you learn is to target everything through your overview - not the view out your ship's window. . Please, CCP, give us back the classic client, or a reduced requirement client, and make fleet fights something more than a slideshow for the poorer half of your client base. Your computer is horribly obsolete. Im presuming your 1.8ghz cpu is a P4 variant or a AMD chip because your ancient 9800 pro video card (a fine card in its day) tends to date your setup. Your video card may have been a good card in its day,but that was over 5 years ago. Computers dont even use AGP anymore. CCP eliminated the classic client after monitoring how many people logged in with various configurations. They decided that finally,the numer of people using such ancient setups did not warrent the effort to maintain the older client. Think about it,every new feature needed to be coded in two separate clients and then tested in both. Do you really think that it makes sense to do this? That kind of man power is expensive and they need to use it elsewhere to make the game better. Its time to upgrade.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.25 18:31:00 - [79] Originally by: Talianax rather have CCP devote manpower to make new content and fix current bugs then have lots of them make the light client again just so you can look at your nice little rifter because you are too cheap to get a decent upgrade. ditto yes for more content not the same content JOIN FOFF NOW CHAT CHANNEL FOR RECRUITMENT INFO
Marine HK4861 Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.25 19:12:00 - [80] Originally by: Zeba There is already a barebones client. Set everything to off and low then run windowed @1024x768. There is actually an even more bare bones client than that. CCP have a special low resource version for when they want to simulate the load of multiple users logging into a server. CCP have declined to release this version to the playerbase, probably for fear of everybody deciding to use it instead of the client with the pretty graphics.

Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.25 19:48:00 - [81] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 25/06/2009 19:50:28 Quote: CCP eliminated the classic client after monitoring how many people logged in with various configurations. They decided that finally,the numer of people using such ancient setups did not warrent the effort to maintain the older client. Wrong. They didn't even launch a survey. Much players asked for it but CCP never responded. I seriously doubt that they know anything on their customers, as it is legally forbidden in many countries to do something like that. They just didn't care, and do it anyway. After all, CCP is "Crowd Control Productions"... _______ Local is fine, period.
Grez Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.25 19:54:00 - [82] Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 25/06/2009 19:50:28 Quote: CCP eliminated the classic client after monitoring how many people logged in with various configurations. They decided that finally,the numer of people using such ancient setups did not warrent the effort to maintain the older client. Wrong. They didn't even launch a survey. Much players asked for it but CCP never responded. I seriously doubt that they know anything on their customers, as it is legally forbidden in many countries to do something like that. They just didn't care, and do it anyway. After all, CCP is "Crowd Control Productions"... You're also a derp. The client gathers anonymous data about what spec our machines are. They know how many people are SM2.0 capable by people just launching the client. And about the legality of it, read the EULA you derp. --- Grez: I shot the sheriff Kalazar: But I could not lock the Deputy BECAUSE OF FALCON
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.25 20:03:00 - [83] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 25/06/2009 20:05:27 Originally by: Grez You're also a derp. The client gathers anonymous data about what spec our machines are. They know how many people are SM2.0 capable by people just launching the client. And about the legality of it, read the EULA you derp. Proof or... ? The dev blog of this time is obvious : ½ We know this will affect some players out there. What we don't know is exactly how many. We > estimate < 95% [will be Ok etc...] + Nothing sure, nothing certain. They don't receive anonymous data. And about the legality, the EULA is a sort of contract, it is not the Law. And so, every contract clause can be contested, you derp.


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