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Nikos Iscariot
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.20 20:54:00 -
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When I returned to EVE a few months ago, I was astonished to find that CCP had decided to eliminate the option to run the much lighter, better performing original client, leaving the laggy and demanding premium client as the only option for their players. While it's understandable that CCP would want the extremely pretty fully-rendered screenshots for their advertisements, there's no reason that every player should be forced to be running this version.
The problem comes when one actually wants to do any of the unique and amazing things which make EVE such a great game. For example, Goonswarm just threw it's largest frigate thunderdome yet, with over 400 pilots swarming around a deep space bubble in a fight to the last man standing. For many of us, this turned into a painful slideshow with modules taking 10 minutes to respond and the grid requiring 2 minutes to load. The case is the same for fleet fights, which had just been made stable in the old client when it was abandoned.
Before anyone slanders my old but trusty computer, I have decent memory, a 1.8ghz processor and a Radieon 9800 Pro video card. Not top shelf any more, but it certainly should be able to handle the minimum settings in a game which needn't require graphics at all. Just look at TradeWars, a predecessor to EVE which worked perfectly fine through text alone. As anyone with fleet experience can tell you, one of the first things you learn is to target everything through your overview - not the view out your ship's window.
Now I don't care if everything has to be rendered as 2d sprites, just as long as it allows the player base to engage in fleet fights, thunderdomes, and multi-boxing without all the supercilious lighting and textures. For the relatively minimal work it would take to re-release the classic client, CCP would expand its market to include the thousands of people with older computers, laptops, and increase the ability of people to run multiple account similtaniously - all of whom would bring with them 12 dollars a month.
Please, CCP, give us back the classic client, or a reduced requirement client, and make fleet fights something more than a slideshow for the poorer half of your client base. |
Rilwar
BlackStar Industrial
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Posted - 2009.06.20 21:05:00 -
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Time goes on, technology advances.
Deal with it. |
Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.20 21:14:00 -
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Go back to 2002 you cheapskate!
*PS, The new Premium LITE client runs better on my laptop than the classic ever did.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.06.20 21:15:00 -
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The past is gone and will never come back.
Deal with it or die out. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Nikos Iscariot
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.20 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin *PS, The new Premium LITE client runs better on my laptop than the classic ever did.
Would you be a dear and link this lite client, as it doesn't appear under Eve Download -> Eve Client. _______ Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
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Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.20 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nikos Iscariot
Originally by: Xen Gin *PS, The new Premium LITE client runs better on my laptop than the classic ever did.
Would you be a dear and link this lite client, as it doesn't appear under Eve Download -> Eve Client.
In the EVE Premium Client, press Esc, Video Settings, Opitimise Graphics (Essentially turns everything to low) Premium Lite is the Premium client with low res models/shaders/textures etc etc.
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Xoth Freefall
Minmatar New Horizon Industries Sleepless Knights Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.20 21:26:00 -
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"For the relatively minimal work it would take to re-release the classic client,"
Thats one of the main reasons they dropped the classic client: it was too much work and split too many resources to do artwork and models for too different clients. There was a dev blog and a few forum posts when the change happened, look those up.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.20 21:30:00 -
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have a old skool commadore ?
NO
well then dont be a cheap skate and buy yourself a ú40 quid graphics card, pretty much every new one has graphic shader 2.0
op fails at life |
Nikos Iscariot
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.20 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C have a old skool commadore ?
NO
I do actually, but it only plays "Where In History is Carmen Sandiego?" |
Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.06.20 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C have a old skool commadore ?
NO
well then dont be a cheap skate and buy yourself a ú40 quid graphics card, pretty much every new one has graphic shader 2.0
op fails at life
you fail at reading.
op's problem was not lack of shader level 2.0 of his gfx card, but performance with large amounts of ships. |
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.20 21:36:00 -
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i have 64 version
BUT i am not trying to play eve on it ¼_¼ technology updates you should to. |
Grek Forto
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2009.06.20 21:50:00 -
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Premium Client with low setting flows better then Classic did. At least on my system. |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.06.20 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Grek Forto Premium Client with low setting flows better then Classic did. At least on my system.
Indeed. As long as the card runs shader model 2 then at the lowest settings running in a window @1024x768 it should handle even the biggest fleet fight fps wise as long as the servers can keep up. Besides I though module and jump in lag was related to the nodes performance and not the individual computers. Maybe the op should make a lag thread instead? |
Draeca
Tharri and Co.
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Posted - 2009.06.20 22:12:00 -
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It wasn't lighter or better performing, premium with a good computer runs a lot better than the classic eve because it's way better optimized and so on. Classic was only good for laptops. |
Tkar vonBiggendorf
Gallente Snake Eyes Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.20 22:32:00 -
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You're basically asking the CCP art department to double their workload to support hardware that was old 6 years ago.
I promise nothingÖ. --CCP Prism X |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.20 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tkar vonBiggendorf You're basically asking the CCP art department to double their workload to support hardware that was old 6 years ago.
JOIN FOFF NOW CHAT CHANNEL FOR MORE INFO
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Ervol Libra
Amarr Pinky and the Brain corp
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Posted - 2009.06.20 22:41:00 -
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AC i know where you fly around so stop spamming the forum
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SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.20 23:04:00 -
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This just in another person plays eve on a crappy comp. The following post will be can I run eve on Y,Y,Z laptop? And get angry when people tell them you can run it on that, but....
Hey I get if you have 0 money for a new comp, but there seem to be a lot of cheap skates that play eve. If you're one of them just upgrade you're going to have to do it eventually.
_________________________ HATERS!!!!
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.06.20 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Cors on 21/06/2009 00:00:54
Originally by: Nikos Iscariot
Before anyone slanders my old but trusty computer, I have decent memory, a 1.8ghz processor and a Radieon 9800 Pro video card.
First off. A 1.8 ghz CPU is OLD in PC games terms. Upgrade.
A radeon 9800 Pro is a VERY old video card. Upgrade.
"I have decent memory" ? What's this? You have 4gig? that's decent. You have 6 Gig? That's better.
Look. Heres the thing. You're playing EVE on a computer from 3+ years ago.
Computers are not like wine. They'd don't get better in time. They're like college coeds. They "Peak" soon after you start useing them.
The simple fact is you need to upgrade.
My SECOND PC.... Meaning the one with all my OLD hardware ifs faster then your current computer. And I only upgrade individual parts about once every 18 months. And the speed difference in game is almost 50%. Meaning my main rig will get 90fps, and my 2nd rig will get 45fps.
UPGRADE EVERY 18 MONTHS.
If you can't handle this, give up your goonies status and go buy a ****ing console.
And it's NOT a money issue. You can buy a kick ass computer for about 600$, reuse your monitor/mouse/keyboard and there, you've just TRIPPLED the performance of your computer for only 600$.
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Nikos Iscariot
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.21 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cors Edited by: Cors on 21/06/2009 00:00:54
Originally by: Nikos Iscariot
Before anyone slanders my old but trusty computer, I have decent memory, a 1.8ghz processor and a Radieon 9800 Pro video card.
First off. A 1.8 ghz CPU is OLD in PC games terms. Upgrade. A radeon 9800 Pro is a VERY old video card. Upgrade. "I have decent memory" ? What's this? You have 4gig? that's decent. You have 6 Gig? That's better. Look. Heres the thing. You're playing EVE on a computer from 3+ years ago. Computers are not like wine. They'd don't get better in time. They're like college coeds. They "Peak" soon after you start useing them. The simple fact is you need to upgrade. My SECOND PC.... Meaning the one with all my OLD hardware ifs faster then your current computer. And I only upgrade individual parts about once every 18 months. And the speed difference in game is almost 50%. Meaning my main rig will get 90fps, and my 2nd rig will get 45fps. UPGRADE EVERY 18 MONTHS. If you can't handle this, give up your goonies status and go buy a ****ing console. And it's NOT a money issue. You can buy a kick ass computer for about 600$, reuse your monitor/mouse/keyboard and there, you've just TRIPPLED the performance of your computer for only 600$.
It's cool that your mom doesn't charge rent and gives you a good allowance, but the fact is that EVE barely requires a graphic interface at all. The PC I'm using, old though it may be, meets all of the specifications CCP gives for using their client.
While there have been several much-needed updates to gameplay, the accompanying updates to textures, ship models, and special effects are simply icing and add little to the game other than giving empire miners something to stare at while they wonder where the fun is. Other than digging up the old models, and maybe changing the colors so they can be used for the newer hull additions, I don't see where this monumental pile of extra work for CCP would come from were they to reimplement the old client or a rough equivalent. _______ Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.21 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nikos Iscariot It's cool that your mom doesn't charge rent and gives you a good allowance, but the fact is that EVE barely requires a graphic interface at all. The PC I'm using, old though it may be, meets all of the specifications CCP gives for using their client.
While right now a better job isn't really an option, if you cannot pay to keep your hardware up to scratch its maybe time to take a break for a few months, save the money from subs, upgrade your computer and come back.
You can say whatever you want, but complaining because you are experiencing discomfort using a system that is over half a decade old, when your average computer is "Old" 3 years after the hardware first hits the shelves will get you no sympathy, neither will labelling those who can afford the hardware costs as "kids" who are on mommies pay. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.06.21 01:35:00 -
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Oh, I'm so sympathetic. Has goonswarm run out of smack to lather CAOD? What's with all you guys posting your nonsense here? My sig don't fracking work. |
Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.21 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nikos Iscariot When I returned to EVE a few months ago, I was astonished to find that CCP had decided to eliminate the option to run the much lighter, better performing original client, leaving the laggy and demanding premium client as the only option for their players. While it's understandable that CCP would want the extremely pretty fully-rendered screenshots for their advertisements, there's no reason that every player should be forced to be running this version.
The problem comes when one actually wants to do any of the unique and amazing things which make EVE such a great game. For example, Goonswarm just threw it's largest frigate thunderdome yet, with over 400 pilots swarming around a deep space bubble in a fight to the last man standing. For many of us, this turned into a painful slideshow with modules taking 10 minutes to respond and the grid requiring 2 minutes to load. The case is the same for fleet fights, which had just been made stable in the old client when it was abandoned.
Before anyone slanders my old but trusty computer, I have decent memory, a 1.8ghz processor and a Radieon 9800 Pro video card. Not top shelf any more, but it certainly should be able to handle the minimum settings in a game which needn't require graphics at all. Just look at TradeWars, a predecessor to EVE which worked perfectly fine through text alone. As anyone with fleet experience can tell you, one of the first things you learn is to target everything through your overview - not the view out your ship's window.
Now I don't care if everything has to be rendered as 2d sprites, just as long as it allows the player base to engage in fleet fights, thunderdomes, and multi-boxing without all the supercilious lighting and textures. For the relatively minimal work it would take to re-release the classic client, CCP would expand its market to include the thousands of people with older computers, laptops, and increase the ability of people to run multiple account similtaniously - all of whom would bring with them 12 dollars a month.
Please, CCP, give us back the classic client, or a reduced requirement client, and make fleet fights something more than a slideshow for the poorer half of your client base.
O________o
You do realize that by turning all settings to the lowest possible you bring back the classic content, right?
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.06.21 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nikos Iscariot
Originally by: Cors Edited by: Cors on 21/06/2009 00:00:54
Originally by: Nikos Iscariot
Before anyone slanders my old but trusty computer, I have decent memory, a 1.8ghz processor and a Radieon 9800 Pro video card.
First off. A 1.8 ghz CPU is OLD in PC games terms. Upgrade. A radeon 9800 Pro is a VERY old video card. Upgrade. "I have decent memory" ? What's this? You have 4gig? that's decent. You have 6 Gig? That's better. Look. Heres the thing. You're playing EVE on a computer from 3+ years ago. Computers are not like wine. They'd don't get better in time. They're like college coeds. They "Peak" soon after you start useing them. The simple fact is you need to upgrade. My SECOND PC.... Meaning the one with all my OLD hardware ifs faster then your current computer. And I only upgrade individual parts about once every 18 months. And the speed difference in game is almost 50%. Meaning my main rig will get 90fps, and my 2nd rig will get 45fps. UPGRADE EVERY 18 MONTHS. If you can't handle this, give up your goonies status and go buy a ****ing console. And it's NOT a money issue. You can buy a kick ass computer for about 600$, reuse your monitor/mouse/keyboard and there, you've just TRIPPLED the performance of your computer for only 600$.
It's cool that your mom doesn't charge rent and gives you a good allowance, but the fact is that EVE barely requires a graphic interface at all. The PC I'm using, old though it may be, meets all of the specifications CCP gives for using their client.
While there have been several much-needed updates to gameplay, the accompanying updates to textures, ship models, and special effects are simply icing and add little to the game other than giving empire miners something to stare at while they wonder where the fun is. Other than digging up the old models, and maybe changing the colors so they can be used for the newer hull additions, I don't see where this monumental pile of extra work for CCP would come from were they to reimplement the old client or a rough equivalent.
My MOM? yeah. Sure dude.. anyways.
So your system MEETS the MINIMUM system requirements.
I'm not talking about meeting the requirements, I'm talking about keeping ahead of the curve. My job gives me enough money to spend on aveage 500$ a year on a computer. If yours doesn't, maybe you should have went to college, or at least got into a trade. I hear Mc Donalds doesn't pay much. Look at moveing up in the world.
Again.. the simple fact is that your system is out of date, and needs to be upgraded. Meeting the minimum requirements means you can log in and check the market, and chat with friends.
It doesn't mean you'll be able to be in a goon vs pubbie pvp battle in 0.0 where you can have hudnreds of ships on screen, thousands of effects, calculations and so on.
If you're still deluded enough to think that your graphics card has nothing to do with it, then keep *****in about your fps. Get your head out of your ass and understand this is a GAME. And computer GAMES require upgrades every few years. If you buy top of the line one year, it'll last you for MAYBE 3 years. If you buy middle of the road(Which is what I do) you can upgrade for the same $ amount a year, every 6-12 months.
The computer you have is OLD. No name calling will change that. No compareing me to some neckbeard living in someone's basement will change the fact that you need to spend MONEY on a computer. Just like me. If you don't, the pc will lag behind in pvp. And then, none of your feeling elite, nor calling me a pubbie will change the fact that I get 120+FPS in Fleet battles, while you slag along with 30.
Quit *****in, and upgrade. Nuff said.
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Bestofworst
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.21 02:31:00 -
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I'm playing eve on an 8 year old computer using a Radeon 9800 XT graphics card on premium lite and have no trouble playing the game with very decent settings, if needed, I can put all my settings to low, and get nolstalgic about the crappy looking classic client (for the ships I fly, anyways) ---- My Music |
Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.06.21 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nikos Iscariot
It's cool that your mom doesn't charge rent and gives you a good allowance, but the fact is that EVE barely requires a graphic interface at all. The PC I'm using, old though it may be, meets all of the specifications CCP gives for using their client.
While there have been several much-needed updates to gameplay, the accompanying updates to textures, ship models, and special effects are simply icing and add little to the game other than giving empire miners something to stare at while they wonder where the fun is. Other than digging up the old models, and maybe changing the colors so they can be used for the newer hull additions, I don't see where this monumental pile of extra work for CCP would come from were they to reimplement the old client or a rough equivalent.
I think you have it wrong. Most (importantly not all) of us who don't live with are parents do so because we went to college and/or have professional jobs. This has allowed us the good fortune of being able to upgrade our systems regularly.
Most likely, it is the "kids" who still live with their parents, and have a job at gamestop or McDonald's that cannot afford to upgrade their systems.
Unlike you, however, I won't disparage people living in that situation. It can be tough; however, I cannot feel sympathetic to your demands for a client capable of performing well on their old PCs.
Games rely on technology, technology advances, games get better, you have to update your ****. That's just how it works.
For example, you don't see anyone complaining that eve won't run on their 486sx and the 9600 baud modem do you?
Now granted your computer meets the "minimum" requirements. Minimum, as others have pointed out, doesn't mean you can fight in fleet battles with uber fps. It means you can run the game.
Now my advice for you is grow up. Stop calling people names. Nobody is sympathetic.
Oh and stop trolling. My sig don't fracking work. |
Velvet Sinner
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Posted - 2009.06.21 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Velvet Sinner on 21/06/2009 02:48:50 I hear WoW calling, OP. Please heed the call.
On second thought, it looks like a bunch of primary-school Goonies have decided to have fun on the forums. Wow, isn't that great. :) Daddy must be out doing the babysitter and mommy must be drunk again.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2009.06.21 03:36:00 -
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You paid ten bucks to post on a forum but god forbid that you actually pay money to upgrade your computer. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.06.21 04:13:00 -
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I stopped reading at "much lighter, better performing original client", since you obviously have no intellectual credence to back whatever else you want to say.
But if you're so desperate to stay in the technological past, you can start by doing some research: Microsoft WARP10
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BhallSpawn
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Posted - 2009.06.21 05:18:00 -
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The people offering him advice. cool.
The people smearing him not cool
go back to wow, the community there would love you
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