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Nikos Iscariot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.20 20:54:00 - [1] When I returned to EVE a few months ago, I was astonished to find that CCP had decided to eliminate the option to run the much lighter, better performing original client, leaving the laggy and demanding premium client as the only option for their players. While it's understandable that CCP would want the extremely pretty fully-rendered screenshots for their advertisements, there's no reason that every player should be forced to be running this version. The problem comes when one actually wants to do any of the unique and amazing things which make EVE such a great game. For example, Goonswarm just threw it's largest frigate thunderdome yet, with over 400 pilots swarming around a deep space bubble in a fight to the last man standing. For many of us, this turned into a painful slideshow with modules taking 10 minutes to respond and the grid requiring 2 minutes to load. The case is the same for fleet fights, which had just been made stable in the old client when it was abandoned. Before anyone slanders my old but trusty computer, I have decent memory, a 1.8ghz processor and a Radieon 9800 Pro video card. Not top shelf any more, but it certainly should be able to handle the minimum settings in a game which needn't require graphics at all. Just look at TradeWars, a predecessor to EVE which worked perfectly fine through text alone. As anyone with fleet experience can tell you, one of the first things you learn is to target everything through your overview - not the view out your ship's window. Now I don't care if everything has to be rendered as 2d sprites, just as long as it allows the player base to engage in fleet fights, thunderdomes, and multi-boxing without all the supercilious lighting and textures. For the relatively minimal work it would take to re-release the classic client, CCP would expand its market to include the thousands of people with older computers, laptops, and increase the ability of people to run multiple account similtaniously - all of whom would bring with them 12 dollars a month. Please, CCP, give us back the classic client, or a reduced requirement client, and make fleet fights something more than a slideshow for the poorer half of your client base.
Rilwar BlackStar Industrial	Posted - 2009.06.20 21:05:00 - [2] Time goes on, technology advances. Deal with it.
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.20 21:14:00 - [3] Go back to 2002 you cheapskate! PS, The new Premium LITE* client runs better on my laptop than the classic ever did.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.06.20 21:15:00 - [4] The past is gone and will never come back. Deal with it or die out. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Nikos Iscariot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.20 21:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Xen Gin PS, The new Premium LITE* client runs better on my laptop than the classic ever did. Would you be a dear and link this lite client, as it doesn't appear under Eve Download -> Eve Client. _______ Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.20 21:21:00 - [6] Originally by: Nikos Iscariot Originally by: Xen Gin PS, The new Premium LITE* client runs better on my laptop than the classic ever did. Would you be a dear and link this lite client, as it doesn't appear under Eve Download -> Eve Client. In the EVE Premium Client, press Esc, Video Settings, Opitimise Graphics (Essentially turns everything to low) Premium Lite is the Premium client with low res models/shaders/textures etc etc.
Xoth Freefall Minmatar New Horizon Industries Sleepless Knights Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.20 21:26:00 - [7] "For the relatively minimal work it would take to re-release the classic client," Thats one of the main reasons they dropped the classic client: it was too much work and split too many resources to do artwork and models for too different clients. There was a dev blog and a few forum posts when the change happened, look those up.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.20 21:30:00 - [8] have a old skool commadore ? NO well then dont be a cheap skate and buy yourself a ú40 quid graphics card, pretty much every new one has graphic shader 2.0 op fails at life
Nikos Iscariot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.20 21:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Armoured C have a old skool commadore ? NO I do actually, but it only plays "Where In History is Carmen Sandiego?"
Heroldyn	Posted - 2009.06.20 21:35:00 - [10] Originally by: Armoured C have a old skool commadore ? NO well then dont be a cheap skate and buy yourself a ú40 quid graphics card, pretty much every new one has graphic shader 2.0 op fails at life you fail at reading. op's problem was not lack of shader level 2.0 of his gfx card, but performance with large amounts of ships.

Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.20 21:36:00 - [11] i have 64 version BUT i am not trying to play eve on it ¼_¼ technology updates you should to.
Grek Forto Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2009.06.20 21:50:00 - [12] Premium Client with low setting flows better then Classic did. At least on my system.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.20 21:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Grek Forto Premium Client with low setting flows better then Classic did. At least on my system. Indeed. As long as the card runs shader model 2 then at the lowest settings running in a window @1024x768 it should handle even the biggest fleet fight fps wise as long as the servers can keep up. Besides I though module and jump in lag was related to the nodes performance and not the individual computers. Maybe the op should make a lag thread instead?
Draeca Tharri and Co.	Posted - 2009.06.20 22:12:00 - [14] It wasn't lighter or better performing, premium with a good computer runs a lot better than the classic eve because it's way better optimized and so on. Classic was only good for laptops.
Tkar vonBiggendorf Gallente Snake Eyes Inc	Posted - 2009.06.20 22:32:00 - [15] You're basically asking the CCP art department to double their workload to support hardware that was old 6 years ago. I promise nothingÖ. --CCP Prism X
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.20 22:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Tkar vonBiggendorf You're basically asking the CCP art department to double their workload to support hardware that was old 6 years ago. JOIN FOFF NOW CHAT CHANNEL FOR MORE INFO
Ervol Libra Amarr Pinky and the Brain corp	Posted - 2009.06.20 22:41:00 - [17] AC i know where you fly around so stop spamming the forum
SpaceSquirrels Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.20 23:04:00 - [18] This just in another person plays eve on a crappy comp. The following post will be can I run eve on Y,Y,Z laptop? And get angry when people tell them you can run it on that, but.... Hey I get if you have 0 money for a new comp, but there seem to be a lot of cheap skates that play eve. If you're one of them just upgrade you're going to have to do it eventually. _________________________ HATERS!!!!
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.06.20 23:58:00 - [19] Edited by: Cors on 21/06/2009 00:00:54 Originally by: Nikos Iscariot Before anyone slanders my old but trusty computer, I have decent memory, a 1.8ghz processor and a Radieon 9800 Pro video card. First off. A 1.8 ghz CPU is OLD in PC games terms. Upgrade. A radeon 9800 Pro is a VERY old video card. Upgrade. "I have decent memory" ? What's this? You have 4gig? that's decent. You have 6 Gig? That's better. Look. Heres the thing. You're playing EVE on a computer from 3+ years ago. Computers are not like wine. They'd don't get better in time. They're like college coeds. They "Peak" soon after you start useing them. The simple fact is you need to upgrade. My SECOND PC.... Meaning the one with all my OLD hardware ifs faster then your current computer. And I only upgrade individual parts about once every 18 months. And the speed difference in game is almost 50%. Meaning my main rig will get 90fps, and my 2nd rig will get 45fps. UPGRADE EVERY 18 MONTHS. If you can't handle this, give up your goonies status and go buy a ****ing console. And it's NOT a money issue. You can buy a kick ass computer for about 600$, reuse your monitor/mouse/keyboard and there, you've just TRIPPLED the performance of your computer for only 600$.
Nikos Iscariot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.21 00:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Cors Edited by: Cors on 21/06/2009 00:00:54 Originally by: Nikos Iscariot Before anyone slanders my old but trusty computer, I have decent memory, a 1.8ghz processor and a Radieon 9800 Pro video card. First off. A 1.8 ghz CPU is OLD in PC games terms. Upgrade. A radeon 9800 Pro is a VERY old video card. Upgrade. "I have decent memory" ? What's this? You have 4gig? that's decent. You have 6 Gig? That's better. Look. Heres the thing. You're playing EVE on a computer from 3+ years ago. Computers are not like wine. They'd don't get better in time. They're like college coeds. They "Peak" soon after you start useing them. The simple fact is you need to upgrade. My SECOND PC.... Meaning the one with all my OLD hardware ifs faster then your current computer. And I only upgrade individual parts about once every 18 months. And the speed difference in game is almost 50%. Meaning my main rig will get 90fps, and my 2nd rig will get 45fps. UPGRADE EVERY 18 MONTHS. If you can't handle this, give up your goonies status and go buy a ****ing console. And it's NOT a money issue. You can buy a kick ass computer for about 600$, reuse your monitor/mouse/keyboard and there, you've just TRIPPLED the performance of your computer for only 600$. It's cool that your mom doesn't charge rent and gives you a good allowance, but the fact is that EVE barely requires a graphic interface at all. The PC I'm using, old though it may be, meets all of the specifications CCP gives for using their client. While there have been several much-needed updates to gameplay, the accompanying updates to textures, ship models, and special effects are simply icing and add little to the game other than giving empire miners something to stare at while they wonder where the fun is. Other than digging up the old models, and maybe changing the colors so they can be used for the newer hull additions, I don't see where this monumental pile of extra work for CCP would come from were they to reimplement the old client or a rough equivalent. _______ Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug

Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.06.21 01:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Nikos Iscariot It's cool that your mom doesn't charge rent and gives you a good allowance, but the fact is that EVE barely requires a graphic interface at all. The PC I'm using, old though it may be, meets all of the specifications CCP gives for using their client. While right now a better job isn't really an option, if you cannot pay to keep your hardware up to scratch its maybe time to take a break for a few months, save the money from subs, upgrade your computer and come back. You can say whatever you want, but complaining because you are experiencing discomfort using a system that is over half a decade old, when your average computer is "Old" 3 years after the hardware first hits the shelves will get you no sympathy, neither will labelling those who can afford the hardware costs as "kids" who are on mommies pay. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.06.21 01:35:00 - [22] Oh, I'm so sympathetic. Has goonswarm run out of smack to lather CAOD? What's with all you guys posting your nonsense here? My sig don't fracking work.
Etien Aldragoran DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.21 01:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Nikos Iscariot When I returned to EVE a few months ago, I was astonished to find that CCP had decided to eliminate the option to run the much lighter, better performing original client, leaving the laggy and demanding premium client as the only option for their players. While it's understandable that CCP would want the extremely pretty fully-rendered screenshots for their advertisements, there's no reason that every player should be forced to be running this version. The problem comes when one actually wants to do any of the unique and amazing things which make EVE such a great game. For example, Goonswarm just threw it's largest frigate thunderdome yet, with over 400 pilots swarming around a deep space bubble in a fight to the last man standing. For many of us, this turned into a painful slideshow with modules taking 10 minutes to respond and the grid requiring 2 minutes to load. The case is the same for fleet fights, which had just been made stable in the old client when it was abandoned. Before anyone slanders my old but trusty computer, I have decent memory, a 1.8ghz processor and a Radieon 9800 Pro video card. Not top shelf any more, but it certainly should be able to handle the minimum settings in a game which needn't require graphics at all. Just look at TradeWars, a predecessor to EVE which worked perfectly fine through text alone. As anyone with fleet experience can tell you, one of the first things you learn is to target everything through your overview - not the view out your ship's window. Now I don't care if everything has to be rendered as 2d sprites, just as long as it allows the player base to engage in fleet fights, thunderdomes, and multi-boxing without all the supercilious lighting and textures. For the relatively minimal work it would take to re-release the classic client, CCP would expand its market to include the thousands of people with older computers, laptops, and increase the ability of people to run multiple account similtaniously - all of whom would bring with them 12 dollars a month. Please, CCP, give us back the classic client, or a reduced requirement client, and make fleet fights something more than a slideshow for the poorer half of your client base. O________o You do realize that by turning all settings to the lowest possible you bring back the classic content, right?
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.06.21 02:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Nikos Iscariot Originally by: Cors Edited by: Cors on 21/06/2009 00:00:54 Originally by: Nikos Iscariot Before anyone slanders my old but trusty computer, I have decent memory, a 1.8ghz processor and a Radieon 9800 Pro video card. First off. A 1.8 ghz CPU is OLD in PC games terms. Upgrade. A radeon 9800 Pro is a VERY old video card. Upgrade. "I have decent memory" ? What's this? You have 4gig? that's decent. You have 6 Gig? That's better. Look. Heres the thing. You're playing EVE on a computer from 3+ years ago. Computers are not like wine. They'd don't get better in time. They're like college coeds. They "Peak" soon after you start useing them. The simple fact is you need to upgrade. My SECOND PC.... Meaning the one with all my OLD hardware ifs faster then your current computer. And I only upgrade individual parts about once every 18 months. And the speed difference in game is almost 50%. Meaning my main rig will get 90fps, and my 2nd rig will get 45fps. UPGRADE EVERY 18 MONTHS. If you can't handle this, give up your goonies status and go buy a **ing console. And it's NOT a money issue. You can buy a kick ass computer for about 600$, reuse your monitor/mouse/keyboard and there, you've just TRIPPLED the performance of your computer for only 600$. It's cool that your mom doesn't charge rent and gives you a good allowance, but the fact is that EVE barely requires a graphic interface at all. The PC I'm using, old though it may be, meets all of the specifications CCP gives for using their client. While there have been several much-needed updates to gameplay, the accompanying updates to textures, ship models, and special effects are simply icing and add little to the game other than giving empire miners something to stare at while they wonder where the fun is. Other than digging up the old models, and maybe changing the colors so they can be used for the newer hull additions, I don't see where this monumental pile of extra work for CCP would come from were they to reimplement the old client or a rough equivalent. My MOM? yeah. Sure dude.. anyways. So your system MEETS the MINIMUM system requirements. I'm not talking about meeting the requirements, I'm talking about keeping ahead of the curve. My job gives me enough money to spend on aveage 500$ a year on a computer. If yours doesn't, maybe you should have went to college, or at least got into a trade. I hear Mc Donalds doesn't pay much. Look at moveing up in the world. Again.. the simple fact is that your system is out of date, and needs to be upgraded. Meeting the minimum requirements means you can log in and check the market, and chat with friends. It doesn't mean you'll be able to be in a goon vs pubbie pvp battle in 0.0 where you can have hudnreds of ships on screen, thousands of effects, calculations and so on. If you're still deluded enough to think that your graphics card has nothing to do with it, then keep *in about your fps. Get your head out of your ass and understand this is a GAME. And computer GAMES require upgrades every few years. If you buy top of the line one year, it'll last you for MAYBE 3 years. If you buy middle of the road(Which is what I do) you can upgrade for the same $ amount a year, every 6-12 months. The computer you have is OLD. No name calling will change that. No compareing me to some neckbeard living in someone's basement will change the fact that you need to spend MONEY on a computer. Just like me. If you don't, the pc will lag behind in pvp. And then, none of your feeling elite, nor calling me a pubbie will change the fact that I get 120+FPS in Fleet battles, while you slag along with 30. Quit ***in, and upgrade. Nuff said.
Bestofworst Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.21 02:31:00 - [25] I'm playing eve on an 8 year old computer using a Radeon 9800 XT graphics card on premium lite and have no trouble playing the game with very decent settings, if needed, I can put all my settings to low, and get nolstalgic about the crappy looking classic client (for the ships I fly, anyways) ---- My Music
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.06.21 02:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Nikos Iscariot It's cool that your mom doesn't charge rent and gives you a good allowance, but the fact is that EVE barely requires a graphic interface at all. The PC I'm using, old though it may be, meets all of the specifications CCP gives for using their client. While there have been several much-needed updates to gameplay, the accompanying updates to textures, ship models, and special effects are simply icing and add little to the game other than giving empire miners something to stare at while they wonder where the fun is. Other than digging up the old models, and maybe changing the colors so they can be used for the newer hull additions, I don't see where this monumental pile of extra work for CCP would come from were they to reimplement the old client or a rough equivalent. I think you have it wrong. Most (importantly not all) of us who don't live with are parents do so because we went to college and/or have professional jobs. This has allowed us the good fortune of being able to upgrade our systems regularly. Most likely, it is the "kids" who still live with their parents, and have a job at gamestop or McDonald's that cannot afford to upgrade their systems. Unlike you, however, I won't disparage people living in that situation. It can be tough; however, I cannot feel sympathetic to your demands for a client capable of performing well on their old PCs. Games rely on technology, technology advances, games get better, you have to update your ****. That's just how it works. For example, you don't see anyone complaining that eve won't run on their 486sx and the 9600 baud modem do you? Now granted your computer meets the "minimum" requirements. Minimum, as others have pointed out, doesn't mean you can fight in fleet battles with uber fps. It means you can run the game. Now my advice for you is grow up. Stop calling people names. Nobody is sympathetic. Oh and stop trolling. My sig don't fracking work.
Velvet Sinner	Posted - 2009.06.21 02:47:00 - [27] Edited by: Velvet Sinner on 21/06/2009 02:48:50 I hear WoW calling, OP. Please heed the call. On second thought, it looks like a bunch of primary-school Goonies have decided to have fun on the forums. Wow, isn't that great. :) Daddy must be out doing the babysitter and mommy must be drunk again.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Corp 1 Allstars	Posted - 2009.06.21 03:36:00 - [28] You paid ten bucks to post on a forum but god forbid that you actually pay money to upgrade your computer. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2009.06.21 04:13:00 - [29] I stopped reading at "much lighter, better performing original client", since you obviously have no intellectual credence to back whatever else you want to say. But if you're so desperate to stay in the technological past, you can start by doing some research: Microsoft WARP10
BhallSpawn	Posted - 2009.06.21 05:18:00 - [30] The people offering him advice. cool. The people smearing him not cool go back to wow, the community there would love you

Nikos Iscariot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.21 05:53:00 - [31] Edited by: Nikos Iscariot on 21/06/2009 05:59:10 Boy, you guys are classic. I never thought there would be so many people dead set against others having the option to run an alternative client. Interestingly, few the responses here come from players that ever have to deal with more than 200 people on-grid, and certainly not in free-for-all conditions such as a Thunderdome. Next time I pose a question to the community, I guess I'd better use an alt to avoid the politics. All the same, a bare bones client version would be of great use to multi-boxers, who could use the saved system resources to watch The Simpsons while they run that complex with a fleet of themselves. It would be a boon to fleet commanders, who care more about loading the grid as fast as possible than seeing the details of a nearby moon's craters. And from CCP's point of view, it expands their market to include hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world whose goals are something other than "staying ahead of the e-curve" and whose hardware may be a bit dated, but who bring cash money to the table all the same. I might be a Goon whose student aid ain't coming through for a while, but don't get hung up on my plight. Consider the poor former soviet-bloc girl whose school library could only run EVE from back in the days of Trinity. Surely you wouldn't deny her the chance to play this game? _______ Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Franky Mouse Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.06.21 05:56:00 - [32] buy a ****ing new video card alread, i got one for xmas without even asking for it
m3rr	Posted - 2009.06.21 06:36:00 - [33] we really need a mobile client for palm pilots, iphones, windows mobile os phones, ect. all eve really is as far as the universe is a bunch of points in a grid. just give us a super barebones client with no graphics, just dots or basic icons and a super basic gui and let us play eve on our cell phones!!!!
Alxea	Posted - 2009.06.21 06:47:00 - [34] Buy a replacement for your 10 year old comps. Stop trying to run eve on antique hardware. Donate it to a museum. Computer power doubles every 2 years. Eve changes because technology does, so adapt to the times, stop whining because your hardware can hardly run it. The min req for this game are really not that high. So its amazing people have issues running this game. The only exp, is ancient hardware.
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2009.06.21 10:30:00 - [35] i just wish probes were a little more visible with low settings i'd reactivate my prober account and use 2 clients again hinthinthint -.- - putting the gist back into logistics
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.21 10:47:00 - [36] Originally by: Nikos Iscariot All the same, a bare bones client version would be of great use to multi-boxers, who could use the saved system resources to watch The Simpsons while they run that complex with a fleet of themselves. There is already a barebones client. Set everything to off and low then run windowed @1024x768. 27fps on a crappy single core lenovo laptop with a crappy integrated gma4500 in it for the video. This was over at a friends house who also plays eve though he is actually in a real corp and loves the mass fleet actions unlike my solo wolfish ways. So if that crappy budget laptop can run eve at 27fps during a fleet fight then your corp mates at the thunderdome muct have some really ancient systems. Upgrade to the 21st century before its too late! Also I have a slightly dated system and can easily run up to 10 clients* at once at around 20ish fps so we already have a nice barebones client in my eyes. *5 tq and 5 sisi
Forge Lag Jita Lag Preservation Fund	Posted - 2009.06.21 12:35:00 - [37] I like the attitude of mindlessly throwing more money at the problem till it goes away. EvE does not need 3d models at all. I would be happy to turn it all off including retina burning skybox and scanning spheres, if it actually had half decent UI that would show stuff like modules used, damage taken and inflicted, velocity vectors, without having to zoom out and in and panning all over the place. It would also run much faster. Basically including OFF switch for EVERYTHING is all OP is asking for and he gets shtstorm for it. I bet you all tossers would go all crazy if EvE had "mute" option too... oh wait.
Joshua Calvert Caldari Safespot Industries	Posted - 2009.06.21 12:52:00 - [38] Not sure why it's called Eve Premium client anymore. It's not like there's a choice.
DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2009.06.21 13:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Not sure why it's called Eve Premium client anymore. It's not like there's a choice. Because Premium is still better than Premium Mac, which is also known as Premium Lite or Premium Roofle - that is to say, way more premiumish. How dare you insolent peons question the infallible nomenclature of CCP's premium service!
Grez Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.21 13:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Forge Lag I like the attitude of mindlessly throwing more money at the problem till it goes away. You're a derp. They did this because it was costing both money and time to develop two sets of everything for two clients. Dropping classic gives them more time and money...

Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.06.21 14:36:00 - [41] Originally by: Nikos Iscariot Edited by: Nikos Iscariot on 21/06/2009 05:59:10 Boy, you guys are classic. I never thought there would be so many people dead set against others having the option to run an alternative client. Interestingly, few the responses here come from players that ever have to deal with more than 200 people on-grid, and certainly not in free-for-all conditions such as a Thunderdome. Next time I pose a question to the community, I guess I'd better use an alt to avoid the politics. All the same, a bare bones client version would be of great use to multi-boxers, who could use the saved system resources to watch The Simpsons while they run that complex with a fleet of themselves. It would be a boon to fleet commanders, who care more about loading the grid as fast as possible than seeing the details of a nearby moon's craters. And from CCP's point of view, it expands their market to include hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world whose goals are something other than "staying ahead of the e-curve" and whose hardware may be a bit dated, but who bring cash money to the table all the same. I might be a Goon whose student aid ain't coming through for a while, but don't get hung up on my plight. Consider the poor former soviet-bloc girl whose school library could only run EVE from back in the days of Trinity. Surely you wouldn't deny her the chance to play this game? Listen.. Kid. You are not READING what we say. If you have an up to date computer. Even when in fleet battles of 500vs500 you will get decent speeds. If you have an OLD computer, you won't. I've been fighting against you goonies for years. Trust me. There are a LOT of us out there with high end current systems who enjoy 50+ FPS in major fleet battles, with 50-100 carries and their drones, dreads, bubbles everywhere, pos's, dozens of pos modules, wrecks, corpses all over, DDD's going off.. What we're all trying to say is that if you upgrade, optomize the client for pvp(Meaning brackets off, tags off, drones off, weapons off) you'll get good FPS. If your computer is 3+ years old though, it won't be able to handle more then a 100 vs 100 if that. It's a simply horsepower. Yours doesn't have enough. *****ing and whineing for a stripped down client is not needed. The stripped down client can be had by turning off all the special effects in the options menu. UPGRADE. thinking that we're throwing this at you because you're a goon is false. The invective you've seen is because you're a goon, but if you search for the last thread of this nature, people responded exactly the same way to JoeCarebear when he whined for a classic client. upgrade your coleco vision, and experience fast fps even when you're in the thunderdrome.
Maria Kalista Amarr Emerald Forest Securities	Posted - 2009.06.21 14:50:00 - [42] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Premium is still better than Premium Mac, which is also known as Premium Lite. Uhhh... How about no? With everything set to max on a Mac, you have premium in its fullest. With a Cedaga emulator in between a Mac and the EVE app. But that is another story Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.06.21 14:57:00 - [43] Give him his "Classic Client" and let him ***** and moan when he gets lock ups due to his 1.8ghz processor. PROTIP; The old client used the GPU for practically NOTHING. It was all bloated into the CPU and the GPU was largely ignored. If you were seriously getting "Good FPS" with the classic client which i doubt due to the fact i have run classic on a 1.8ghz, and i got slowdowns at stations/missions. (20-25 fps tops, with a 8600gt) Learn how to configure your client and i would wager with brackets off, EVERYTHING turned to minimum, gun effects off and etc, you would probably see an increase in FPS. Of Course, there is always the chance that your idea of "Decent memory" is 1gb with Vista + Aero. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Drakarin Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.21 15:16:00 - [44] Edited by: Drakarin on 21/06/2009 15:20:16 The problem is your CPU. It's your bottleneck. Your GPU which could handle that conflict fairly well isn't able to perform well because the CPU can't process the data fast enough..
Draeath Mayhem Brothers Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.06.21 15:24:00 - [45] I agree that cutting the seperate client was a good idea - duplicated work is bad. But I don't like how shader 2.0 is required, even in low settings. This means that I can't play EVE on my laptop while doing something else (mining while sitting in a lecture, etc). Now, eve is relegated to my Desktop, which means I can't be sitting outside etc. -- "These people we wasted here today are the finest [capsuleers] we will ever know." "... we're gonna miss not having anyone around that's worth shooting."
Admiral IceBlock Caldari Northern Intelligence	Posted - 2009.06.21 15:37:00 - [46] EVE is CPU and not GPU intensive. Aswell as the client not really being optimzed to take advantage of parallell technology and multitasking. The client has been cluttered with a lot of **** during the years of EVE. So yea, you have to throw money at it because CCP can not afford to recode it. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Vaneshi SnowCrash	Posted - 2009.06.21 18:24:00 - [47] As others have pointed out the hardware you are using is a bit long in the tooth. Perfectly good for EVE but perhaps not for a 400 pilot event with all the goodies turned on. First thing first, hit ESC, go to graphics and well, turn pretty much everything to Low or Off. Secondly take a look at the version of Windows you are using. I'm going to assume XP here. Kill off everything running in the background, from EveMon to those idiotic printer widgets manu's seem to love these days. This will free up some RAM and CPU cycles; should help a touch. Go find updated drivers for your Radeon, perhaps moving away from ATi's official ones to something like erm... Omega? It has been a while since I chased down ATi drivers so that might be wrong. Often they have tweaks to them which will allow you to overclock, adjust various internal settings and basically coax more speed out of the old girl. Indeed never under estimate how much quicker a fresh install of XP will go compared to one crufted up by years of use. Worth considering perhaps as a second to last restort. The other, more expensive option is to look at upgrading. Now I'm not about to say go buy a totally new machine... money, trees and all that. Google the various components and figure out what their maximum capabilities are, 1.8Ghz CPU, can it take a 2Ghz? An old Core or Core 2 Duo unit? What the maximum amount and type of RAM it can hold? Is that an AGP 4x or 8x slot in there? And armed with all of these bits of information go on a hunt through e-bay, local PC parts store and add bits (CPU and GFx being the top two) for hopefully pennies if you're lucky on a fleabay auction. AFIC the Nvidia 7000 series and possible the 8000 as well came in some flavour of AGP. Perhaps not brilliant compared to their PCIe breatheren but well needs must.
Strak Yogorn Amarr Farmer Killers	Posted - 2009.06.21 19:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Draeath I agree that cutting the seperate client was a good idea - duplicated work is bad. But I don't like how shader 2.0 is required, even in low settings. This means that I can't play EVE on my laptop while doing something else (mining while sitting in a lecture, etc). Now, eve is relegated to my Desktop, which means I can't be sitting outside etc. guess you are going to LOVE it when they switch to SM3 then. (then again, it will probably affect alot more players, myself included)
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2009.06.21 20:02:00 - [49] The client runs FASTER and more fluid after all the redundant compatibility code was discarded. Shader2 which is now minimum requirement is on all cards less than 4 years old or so. Even the cheapest Gfx card today (they are so cheap they are practically free), may have lower peak fps than the excellent ATi9800 - but they make up for it by having much smoother graphics, less power consumption and generally just better "normal" performance. Turn off what you can (drone models, missile shake etc.) and you should have no problems at all.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.21 20:09:00 - [50] Originally by: Strak Yogorn Originally by: Draeath I agree that cutting the seperate client was a good idea - duplicated work is bad. But I don't like how shader 2.0 is required, even in low settings. This means that I can't play EVE on my laptop while doing something else (mining while sitting in a lecture, etc). Now, eve is relegated to my Desktop, which means I can't be sitting outside etc. guess you are going to LOVE it when they switch to SM3 then. (then again, it will probably affect alot more players, myself included) I don't see this happening anytime soon tbh. The justification of dropping the sm1 compatibility for sm2/3 only was easy enough to make as pretty much everything supports sm2. However with the current financial tightening of the belts people across the world are having to do then going to sm3 only might have a real effect on the subscriber numbers as it would force a financialy significant section of the playerbase to do a mandatory upgrade that they might not be able to easily afford and so drop out of eve for a while till they can. I would wager that CCP ain't in that much of a rush to save a bit of duplicate client work at the exspense of immediate profits given icelands glorious current financial situation.

PeHD0M	Posted - 2009.06.21 20:43:00 - [51] I think that graphic was better in classic version. - ships and texture color (amarr, gallante) - effects (..too many examples) - sound (new sound is just beep %$#@&* beep) I'm not against the tech upgrades.. but i don't like the downgrades in quality.
UMEE Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.06.21 20:43:00 - [52] in before adapt or die. oh wait... idiots.
$Refractor$ Refractor	Posted - 2009.06.21 20:50:00 - [53] I prefer "adapt or fight". "Adapt or die" is for losers.
elscorcho Shujenka Operation Enterprise	Posted - 2009.06.22 00:13:00 - [54] Originally by: Cors I'm not talking about meeting the requirements, I'm talking about keeping ahead of the curve. My job gives me enough money to spend on aveage 500$ a year on a computer. If yours doesn't, maybe you should have went to college, or at least got into a trade. I hear Mc Donalds doesn't pay much. Look at moveing up in the world. Man, stop being a tit. Some people simply can't afford to spend even $500 on a computer every year. Some people have families. Some people have social lives. Just because you spend every damn penny you earn on stupid crap because you live in your parents' basement, doesn't mean everyone else does. Grow up. ____________________________________ I also go by the name 'luvs2spooge'.
shwarzkauph bullets with butterfly wings	Posted - 2009.06.22 00:33:00 - [55] I didnt bother reading your post after I saw "GoonSwarm". Maybe you low lifes can scam someone into buying you a new PC. u lose
Draeath Mayhem Brothers Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.06.22 01:10:00 - [56] I should mention that my laptop is really a netbook, and as such It (despite being half a year old) doesn't have the luxury of a real graphics chipset. Intel graphics for the lose! -- "These people we wasted here today are the finest [capsuleers] we will ever know." "... we're gonna miss not having anyone around that's worth shooting."
Moredeeb	Posted - 2009.06.22 02:06:00 - [57] Whats your address i will fed-x you a pc you can play the game the way its meant to be played, you cheap bum. Whats your next post gonna be bring back leaded fuel so your 65' 4 dour Plymouth valiant wont ping upon acceleration...
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.06.22 02:10:00 - [58] lol I'm stuck an extra night with only my laptop so I decided to update from Quantum Rise to whatever the game is called now. **** doesn't work on this 2001 vintage HP laptop. No big surprise seeing as how I was getting like 10 frames a second in Classic and can only support SM1. I think I have a skill finishing soon but maybe not. Had to train up cybernetics higher so I could use a +4 social plant. I only went with the +4 because it was cheaper than +3. That's how I roll (which also explains my computer hardware.)
Karen Estarra Caldari Starside Lost	Posted - 2009.06.24 11:52:00 - [59] Have you tried the Commodore 64 version? You might have better luck with that one. >>>>>>> Will flash boobies for Isk! <<<<<<<
dor amwar Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.24 12:09:00 - [60] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Nikos Iscariot It's cool that your mom doesn't charge rent and gives you a good allowance, but the fact is that EVE barely requires a graphic interface at all. The PC I'm using, old though it may be, meets all of the specifications CCP gives for using their client. While right now a better job isn't really an option, if you cannot pay to keep your hardware up to scratch its maybe time to take a break for a few months, save the money from subs, upgrade your computer and come back. You can say whatever you want, but complaining because you are experiencing discomfort using a system that is over half a decade old, when your average computer is "Old" 3 years after the hardware first hits the shelves will get you no sympathy, neither will labelling those who can afford the hardware costs as "kids" who are on mommies pay. more like 6 months

Shea Klant	Posted - 2009.06.24 13:03:00 - [61] I'd rather them just push on to shader 3 and push out the ppl that have been hampering any real improvements to Eve. The OP case in point. I'd be surprised if his computer could handle 400 ships fighting it out even if they were nothing more than a dot on the screeen. Not everything about upgrading is about the shiny things in life. Upgrades to the GPU brings along those all important CPU/MD/RAM/HD improvements. Eve should steal a play out of Valve's playbook and put in a hardware survey feature and target the middle 50% of users with their software. When you drop down into the bottom 10% sorry, but time to put ol' reliable to sleep.
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.24 13:14:00 - [62] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 24/06/2009 13:19:51 Originally by: PeHD0M Edited by: PeHD0M on 21/06/2009 20:47:20 I think that graphic was better in classic version. - ships and station texture color (amarr (new are bloody rusted.. not gold like they should be), gallante(dark green was much better)) - station interiors - effects (warping, scramble, cynojump, eccm, sensor booster, armor reps, shield booster..) - sound (new sound is just beep %$#@&* beep) I'm not against the tech upgrades.. but i don't like the downgrades in quality. /QFT Old Classic Client had BETTER graphics than the Premium Lite, and the sound engine gave more than a simple silence. Premium Lite is ugly at hell and there is nothing who could excuse it. CCP just did the minimum of minimum and gave the least time possible to cover low-tech computers. The worse I see, was after I docked in an Amarr station ... Now I am sure that CCP hate his customers and consider them just as a wallet funder. Scalability can be done correctly, just see Valve... CCP always prefered easy and uncomplete solutions implementable fastly, to resolve serious issues, same if the work can't be considered as done. CCP never changes. _______ Local is fine, period.
Ansonya Triastolis	Posted - 2009.06.24 16:07:00 - [63] Originally by: Nikos Iscariot Other than digging up the old models, and maybe changing the colors so they can be used for the newer hull additions, I don't see where this monumental pile of extra work for CCP would come from were they to reimplement the old client or a rough equivalent. With the addition of the Strategic Cruisers (Tech 3) where the model changes based on the subsystems used... 4 racial ships x 5 subsystems x 4 versions of each subsystem = 80 new models. To maintain the classic client would mean that those 80 models would need to have been done twice. My computer isn't too great either (though it is just over a year old). If you haven't upgraded to Vista, you're not going to be able to use more than 3 GB of RAM anyway (unless you are running XP Pro 64-bit edition).
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.24 17:50:00 - [64] $500 a year is more than you need to spend, $500 every 3 years does me fine, only game I couldn't run was Crysis (an issue with the game, What a dog of an engine) Thats $160 a year, or about $13 a month If you can't afford 13/month then you need a new hobby. Not that many can be had for such small change. Thats not even a night down the pub. Maintaining two clients means a lot of extra work for CCP. More work = less new content, less performance, or extra money. Stop trying to hold everyone back because you can't be bothered to spend peanuts to keep a hobby going.
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.24 20:47:00 - [65] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 24/06/2009 20:47:50 Yeah, 13$ a month. This forget the possibility that the game called "IRL" make you a bad move or give a bad surprise, and so you need to spend the money spared for computer upgrade. Or that you know that you must upgrade, but you don't want to because you are too close of a period of vast technological changes and you hate waste money (Socket size from Intel for Core I3/5/7, RV870, etc...). Etc... This just permit to CCP to not have to optimize their engine, and the worse, with the support of some blinded fanboys.
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.24 23:51:00 - [66] Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 24/06/2009 20:47:50 Yeah, 13$ a month. This forget the possibility that the game called "IRL" make you a bad move or give a bad surprise, and so you need to spend the money spared for computer upgrade. Or that you know that you must upgrade, but you don't want to because you are too close of a period of vast technological changes and you hate waste money (Socket size from Intel for Core I3/5/7, RV870, etc...). Etc... This just permit to CCP to not have to optimize their engine, and the worse, with the support of some blinded fanboys. A little hint, If you are so **ed in real life you can't afford $3 a week to upgrade your computer (which by virtue of the fact you're posting on this forums, I'll bet that computer gets plenty of use) You can't afford to be playing internet spaceships anyway.** For petes sake, I can't even get a pint for that nowadays. Even at minimum wage its what, 20 mins work a week to keep your pc up to date? Fanboy? Please, If your going to insult me, Do it right or don't do it at all.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.25 00:58:00 - [67] Originally by: Vidi Angelus Even at minimum wage its what, 20 mins work a week to keep your pc up to date? His mom probably laughed when he asked her to work another 20 minutes a week so he can upgrade.
Thuranni ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff	Posted - 2009.06.25 01:31:00 - [68] itt: whiners
Straight Chillen Gallente Solar Wind AAA Citizens	Posted - 2009.06.25 07:35:00 - [69] I agree with the OP, I think the Classic client ran much smoother then this new "premium light" crap thing theyve forced us to use. Hell I would be content if when you turned off the effects, it actually turned them all off
Anhammerad Nearly Feared	Posted - 2009.06.25 07:48:00 - [70] Edited by: Anhammerad on 25/06/2009 07:51:11 Having two separate clients means two platforms to develop new textures, ship models and additional content for, which means double the development time for patches and double the cost. Originally by: Shea Klant Eve should steal a play out of Valve's playbook and put in a hardware survey feature and target the middle 50% of users with their software. When you drop down into the bottom 10% sorry, but time to put ol' reliable to sleep. This is a good idea, but unfortunately a lot of people these days seem to be of the opinion that any company attempting to do this is instantly trying to spy on them and steal information from their computer .

thatbloke Gallente Haven NetWorks	Posted - 2009.06.25 08:06:00 - [71] Originally by: Cors Originally by: Nikos Iscariot Edited by: Nikos Iscariot on 21/06/2009 05:59:10 Boy, you guys are classic. I never thought there would be so many people dead set against others having the option to run an alternative client. Interestingly, few the responses here come from players that ever have to deal with more than 200 people on-grid, and certainly not in free-for-all conditions such as a Thunderdome. Next time I pose a question to the community, I guess I'd better use an alt to avoid the politics. All the same, a bare bones client version would be of great use to multi-boxers, who could use the saved system resources to watch The Simpsons while they run that complex with a fleet of themselves. It would be a boon to fleet commanders, who care more about loading the grid as fast as possible than seeing the details of a nearby moon's craters. And from CCP's point of view, it expands their market to include hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world whose goals are something other than "staying ahead of the e-curve" and whose hardware may be a bit dated, but who bring cash money to the table all the same. I might be a Goon whose student aid ain't coming through for a while, but don't get hung up on my plight. Consider the poor former soviet-bloc girl whose school library could only run EVE from back in the days of Trinity. Surely you wouldn't deny her the chance to play this game? Listen.. Kid. You are not READING what we say. If you have an up to date computer. Even when in fleet battles of 500vs500 you will get decent speeds. If you have an OLD computer, you won't. I've been fighting against you goonies for years. Trust me. There are a LOT of us out there with high end current systems who enjoy 50+ FPS in major fleet battles, with 50-100 carries and their drones, dreads, bubbles everywhere, pos's, dozens of pos modules, wrecks, corpses all over, DDD's going off.. What we're all trying to say is that if you upgrade, optomize the client for pvp(Meaning brackets off, tags off, drones off, weapons off) you'll get good FPS. If your computer is 3+ years old though, it won't be able to handle more then a 100 vs 100 if that. It's a simply horsepower. Yours doesn't have enough. *****ing and whineing for a stripped down client is not needed. The stripped down client can be had by turning off all the special effects in the options menu. UPGRADE. thinking that we're throwing this at you because you're a goon is false. The invective you've seen is because you're a goon, but if you search for the last thread of this nature, people responded exactly the same way to JoeCarebear when he whined for a classic client. upgrade your coleco vision, and experience fast fps even when you're in the thunderdrome. This guy nailed it right on the head. Upgrading your computer to a system that will be able to run EVE capably during the large flieet fights you mention is NOT an expensive thing to do anymore. You can buy a ú100 or so motherboard bundle with a dual core processor on it and 2GB RAM and a ú40-ú50 or so graphics card from an online retailer and you will very easily be able to run multiple clients on that system with no problems. Setting all of the settings to off/low in the options is very similar to what the classic client would be anyway, so if your system still cannot run it then you're going to get no sympathy here.
Verx Interis Amarr SkyNet.	Posted - 2009.06.25 08:09:00 - [72] Edited by: Verx Interis on 25/06/2009 08:09:22 Originally by: Nikos Iscariot For example, Goonswarm just threw it's largest frigate thunderdome yet, with over 400 pilots swarming around a deep space bubble in a fight to the last man standing. For many of us, this turned into a painful slideshow with modules taking 10 minutes to respond and the grid requiring 2 minutes to load. Um, actually.. That's called lag and has nothing to do with the detail of the graphics.. That's just the internet.
Kappas. Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.06.25 08:31:00 - [73] So... everyone in this thread saying bring back classic graphics would like all of Eve's non-cheapskate subscribers to lose out on bugfixes/new features because they themselves are cheapskates who haven't bought a new pc in 10 years? um... yeah. __________________
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.25 09:12:00 - [74] Originally by: Vidi Angelus A little hint, If you are so **ed in real life you can't afford $3 a week to upgrade your computer (which by virtue of the fact you're posting on this forums, I'll bet that computer gets plenty of use) You can't afford to be playing internet spaceships anyway. For petes sake, I can't even get a pint for that nowadays. Even at minimum wage its what, 20 mins work a week to keep your pc up to date? A little hint, playing internet spaceships can be less expensive that you think. I mean : Gee-Tee-Cee and Plexxeuh. Indeed, it is so easy to spare money, that everyone do it in this world and there is no poverty. Oh wait... Well, I don't have time to waste with a nolife. I have to complete my annual income declaration form for the state, today is the last day before fines. Originally by:** Kappas. So... everyone in this thread saying bring back classic graphics would like all of Eve's non-cheapskate subscribers to lose out on bugfixes/new features because they themselves are cheapskates who haven't bought a new pc in 10 years? um... yeah. Fanboy who don't know read spotted. That I hope, is that CCP will optimize his graphic engine and make the LOW settings visually good, as least as good as the old Classic Client. The actual version is just a joke, a regression.
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.06.25 11:34:00 - [75] Originally by: Strak Yogorn guess you are going to LOVE it when they switch to SM3 then. (then again, it will probably affect alot more players, myself included) Cool gief SM3 minimum now, i wants even prettier graphics
Boris Varshavsky Caldari XenoC0RP	Posted - 2009.06.25 12:27:00 - [76] Just going to use this thread as a method to ask my question: How good does EvE look with full graphics settings on a 1920x1080 resolution? also, which parts support this and some of the biggest alliance feet fights out there?
Talianax Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.25 12:29:00 - [77] rather have CCP devote manpower to make new content and fix current bugs then have lots of them make the light client again just so you can look at your nice little rifter because you are too cheap to get a decent upgrade.
Ciara Daag Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.06.25 17:15:00 - [78] Originally by: Nikos Iscariot Before anyone slanders my old but trusty computer, I have decent memory, a 1.8ghz processor and a Radieon 9800 Pro video card. Not top shelf any more, but it certainly should be able to handle the minimum settings in a game which needn't require graphics at all. Just look at TradeWars, a predecessor to EVE which worked perfectly fine through text alone. As anyone with fleet experience can tell you, one of the first things you learn is to target everything through your overview - not the view out your ship's window. . Please, CCP, give us back the classic client, or a reduced requirement client, and make fleet fights something more than a slideshow for the poorer half of your client base. Your computer is horribly obsolete. Im presuming your 1.8ghz cpu is a P4 variant or a AMD chip because your ancient 9800 pro video card (a fine card in its day) tends to date your setup. Your video card may have been a good card in its day,but that was over 5 years ago. Computers dont even use AGP anymore. CCP eliminated the classic client after monitoring how many people logged in with various configurations. They decided that finally,the numer of people using such ancient setups did not warrent the effort to maintain the older client. Think about it,every new feature needed to be coded in two separate clients and then tested in both. Do you really think that it makes sense to do this? That kind of man power is expensive and they need to use it elsewhere to make the game better. Its time to upgrade.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.25 18:31:00 - [79] Originally by: Talianax rather have CCP devote manpower to make new content and fix current bugs then have lots of them make the light client again just so you can look at your nice little rifter because you are too cheap to get a decent upgrade. ditto yes for more content not the same content JOIN FOFF NOW CHAT CHANNEL FOR RECRUITMENT INFO
Marine HK4861 Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.25 19:12:00 - [80] Originally by: Zeba There is already a barebones client. Set everything to off and low then run windowed @1024x768. There is actually an even more bare bones client than that. CCP have a special low resource version for when they want to simulate the load of multiple users logging into a server. CCP have declined to release this version to the playerbase, probably for fear of everybody deciding to use it instead of the client with the pretty graphics.

Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.25 19:48:00 - [81] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 25/06/2009 19:50:28 Quote: CCP eliminated the classic client after monitoring how many people logged in with various configurations. They decided that finally,the numer of people using such ancient setups did not warrent the effort to maintain the older client. Wrong. They didn't even launch a survey. Much players asked for it but CCP never responded. I seriously doubt that they know anything on their customers, as it is legally forbidden in many countries to do something like that. They just didn't care, and do it anyway. After all, CCP is "Crowd Control Productions"... _______ Local is fine, period.
Grez Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.25 19:54:00 - [82] Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 25/06/2009 19:50:28 Quote: CCP eliminated the classic client after monitoring how many people logged in with various configurations. They decided that finally,the numer of people using such ancient setups did not warrent the effort to maintain the older client. Wrong. They didn't even launch a survey. Much players asked for it but CCP never responded. I seriously doubt that they know anything on their customers, as it is legally forbidden in many countries to do something like that. They just didn't care, and do it anyway. After all, CCP is "Crowd Control Productions"... You're also a derp. The client gathers anonymous data about what spec our machines are. They know how many people are SM2.0 capable by people just launching the client. And about the legality of it, read the EULA you derp. --- Grez: I shot the sheriff Kalazar: But I could not lock the Deputy BECAUSE OF FALCON
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.25 20:03:00 - [83] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 25/06/2009 20:05:27 Originally by: Grez You're also a derp. The client gathers anonymous data about what spec our machines are. They know how many people are SM2.0 capable by people just launching the client. And about the legality of it, read the EULA you derp. Proof or... ? The dev blog of this time is obvious : ½ We know this will affect some players out there. What we don't know is exactly how many. We > estimate < 95% [will be Ok etc...] + Nothing sure, nothing certain. They don't receive anonymous data. And about the legality, the EULA is a sort of contract, it is not the Law. And so, every contract clause can be contested, you derp.


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