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Elepherious	Posted - 2009.06.25 00:02:00 - [1] Any one else notice a HUGE down flux in macro miners over the last couple of days?
Some Advisor	Posted - 2009.06.25 00:08:00 - [2] maybe they had their holidays or day off or were in renewing cycle or refitting cycle or so.. they will be back, dont worry :-/
Elepherious	Posted - 2009.06.25 00:16:00 - [3] oi, good point, when is the Chinese new year..? or the Korean .... Korea fest...?
Dario Wall Caldari Corvus Industries	Posted - 2009.06.25 00:20:00 - [4] I heard there was a massive ban of over 2000 accounts or so that were confirmed macroers/ISK sellers. Haven't found the official statement on it myself yet so who knows.
IVeige	Posted - 2009.06.25 01:03:00 - [5] well when ice and ore prices will get a huge price increase, then it will mean that all macros are gone
wtbrandomnamegenerator	Posted - 2009.06.25 01:04:00 - [6] I heard that if you bend over and whistle "Dixie" in the raing, monkey's will fly out of your butt. Somehow, I bet mine has more factual basis.
Aschelan	Posted - 2009.06.25 01:19:00 - [7] I don't see why mass bannings of macros is all that far-fetched. Blizzard does it by the hundreds of thousands. Difference is, they brag about it...
Jolla Skyia	Posted - 2009.06.25 01:23:00 - [8] Originally by: IVeige well when ice and ore prices will get a huge price increase, then it will mean that all macros are gone I can't wait... Trit is way too low right now so I've just been stock piling it.
Some Advisor	Posted - 2009.06.25 01:43:00 - [9] Originally by: IVeige well when ice and ore prices will get a huge price increase, then it will mean that all macros are gone all macros? no. not all.. one small town refuses to bow down to the romans.... oh wait... hmm nm :)
Admiral Valdore The Ronin Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.25 01:48:00 - [10] Originally by: wtbrandomnamegenerator I heard that if you bend over and whistle "Dixie" in the raing, monkey's will fly out of your butt. Somehow, I bet mine has more factual basis. This. This holds the answer for the OP. SEARCH DEEP INSIDE! -Admiral Valdore
Hithero Wolf Caldari Mahatma Productions	Posted - 2009.06.25 04:17:00 - [11] Originally by: IVeige well when ice and ore prices will get a huge price increase, then it will mean that all macros are gone Jita sell price for nitrogen isotopes up with about 10% in teh last day or so.
Belmarduk Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.06.25 04:23:00 - [12] If this is really the case that CCP is regularry mass-banning macrominers my faith in CCP about the MM-issue is restored. Greetings Belmarduk Mainchar:
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.06.25 04:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Jolla Skyia Originally by: IVeige well when ice and ore prices will get a huge price increase, then it will mean that all macros are gone I can't wait... Trit is way too low right now so I've just been stock piling it. Trit prices just ok it's not low! tho I notice the market going down! tho trit use to be at 1.20. Tho if u have huge roids means the real miner can wipe it clean. Did that last weekend and I able to have a Very high mining yeild because of it. So really Trit price is not low! Trinity Corporate Services
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.06.25 06:38:00 - [14] They will never be out of game as they provide 24% of subs income to CCP. Way too much to cut away.
BiggestT Caldari Oz Space Diggers	Posted - 2009.06.25 06:46:00 - [15] I reckon its got a lot to do with rising gtc prices, less demand is placed on buying illegal isk when its almost as profitable, and much easier, to do it the lega way with gtc buying and selling. I.E. GTC sellers are outcompeting macro isk sellers (and who said high gtc prices were a bad thing? :P)
Verx Interis Amarr SkyNet.	Posted - 2009.06.25 06:46:00 - [16] Originally by: Kuolematon They will never be out of game as they provide 24% of subs income to CCP. Way too much to cut away. Basically. Also, dumbasses who buy ISK end up in negative billions and have to buy GTC to get a positive wallet, giving CCP even MORE money. Either that or they're really stupid and they try to buy more ISK and end up in even further negative. Thus when they finally realize they cannot buy ISK illegally, they have to spend a ****load of real money to be able to play. Seriously, rvery billion ISK illegally sold is like $70 for CCP.
Kaptain Kruncher	Posted - 2009.06.25 06:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Kuolematon They will never be out of game as they provide 24% of subs income to CCP. Way too much to cut away. If Macro Miners pay for their accounts with isk from profits they made macro mining, how is this paying for 24% of subs? \Thread fails to deliver anything useful, unless paranoic speculation is useful. I would be happy if Macro Miners got the chop though.
Aslann Gallente Malevolent Evolution	Posted - 2009.06.25 07:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Aschelan I don't see why mass bannings of macros is all that far-fetched. Blizzard does it by the hundreds of thousands. Difference is, they brag about it... The difference is Blizzard makes a lot more money from banning macros, as WoW has a lot higher start up price as EVE (which you can basically start for only a subscription fee with the trials etc, while WoW requires around 80e purchase cost of all expansions etc). They also use the bannings to pad their sales figures as all the banned accounts instantly buy new keys to continue they illegal activities (as blizzard doesnt actually ban the actual macro'er/credit card, they ban accounts). ______________________
Andrea Erlang Caldari Erlang Biolabs	Posted - 2009.06.25 07:25:00 - [19] Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher Originally by: Kuolematon They will never be out of game as they provide 24% of subs income to CCP. Way too much to cut away. If Macro Miners pay for their accounts with isk from profits they made macro mining, how is this paying for 24% of subs? \Thread fails to deliver anything useful, unless paranoic speculation is useful. I would be happy if Macro Miners got the chop though. Basically this. I never really got the point why people keep saying 'Macro miners also pay, CCP would never ban them.' Let's be honest, the only thing this would change is that PLEX prices would go down, since demand would also drop a fair bit. It could also happen, that the plex prices would return to the previous state [anyone remember 30d GTCs for 150m? ^^] and thus encouraging people to open more accounts. With the lower plex prices, some people would have to buy more to get the same amount of ISK, while some would stop selling, so in the end, the supply would probably even out. But that's just speculation... What isn't speculation is, that even if CCP bans all macro miners, the amount of money they'll get is the same, the only difference is, someone else will get that plex card for a bit cheaper.
Kezzle	Posted - 2009.06.25 07:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher If Macro Miners pay for their accounts with isk from profits they made macro mining, how is this paying for 24% of subs? Every paid account has to be paid by someone. If macro miners buy PLEXes with their bazillions of ISK, someone else had to pay cash to get that GTC, no? So, assuming that 24% to be real in some way, even if only for the sake of argument, "24%" of subscription income (or whatever it's 24% of) is being driven by the macroers. I'm not even going to start on why 24% is a dumb figure to pull out of your ass for what proportion of accounts are macroers.
Phantom Slave JUDGE DREAD Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.25 07:55:00 - [21] Edited by: Phantom Slave on 25/06/2009 07:55:27 I had a long post written out, but the forum ated it.
Illwill Bill Svea Rike	Posted - 2009.06.25 08:01:00 - [22] CCP, if you truly did ban 2k+ macro miners, then will you please have my internet spaceship babies?
Rordan D'Kherr Amarr	Posted - 2009.06.25 08:28:00 - [23] WTB official "We ban macro miners" statement.
iP0D	Posted - 2009.06.25 10:15:00 - [24] CCP always does periodic cleanups, but I bet the GTC / Plex price & volume changes does have an effect as well. Might be an idea to do some datamining and get a devblog on it, just for kicks.
Killer Gandry Caldari Red Horizon Inc	Posted - 2009.06.25 11:20:00 - [25] Ow macro's? How about this one. Quit obvious but ignored
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.06.25 11:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Killer Gandry Ow macro's? How about this one. Quit obvious but ignored That could just be an EVE addict, the nnames aren't all gibberish do you have proof of said players doing macro activities?
Chantilly Layce	Posted - 2009.06.25 11:52:00 - [27] Seen alot of CNR's disappear in a few of the mission hubs I like to ninja... I have their names in my Buddylist... haven't seen them login for days now.
space hobo Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2009.06.25 12:19:00 - [28] ingunn is empty to that system normaly has 100+ in local at anytime all macro hualing away 23/7
Etien Aldragoran DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.25 13:22:00 - [29] For your wallet's sake you better hope they weren't banned.
Nuzzy Futs Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2009.06.25 13:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Dario Wall I heard there was a massive ban of over 2000 accounts or so that were confirmed macroers/ISK sellers. Haven't found the official statement on it myself yet so who knows. Hopefully this is true - I would love to see the GM's release a count of people banned for macroing and publicly air those banned/warned for isk buying. Awww Nuts.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.06.25 13:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Killer Gandry Ow macro's? How about this one. Quit obvious but ignored That could just be an EVE addict, the nnames aren't all gibberish do you have proof of said players doing macro activities? This guy could be right, I had someone in a previous corporation with a similar name, using numbers on the end to simplify things. He didn't use macros either. The obvious ones are "fiodhfuihasdh" and the like however.
Phantom Slave JUDGE DREAD Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.25 14:16:00 - [32] Originally by: Etien Aldragoran For your wallet's sake you better hope they weren't banned. The only prices I expect to see go up are POS fuels and high end minerals. Less Macro Miners means more ore for regular players to mine without as much travel, so I wouldn't expect much of a price difference as normal players move in to mine more ore. Ice mining is even more boring than regular mining so I could see pos fuels going up, and macro mission runners probably give a decent % of high end minerals which could cause them to go up a bit.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.25 14:19:00 - [33] Originally by: Etien Aldragoran For your wallet's sake you better hope they weren't banned. Explain plx.
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.06.25 14:21:00 - [34] Originally by: Aschelan I don't see why mass bannings of macros is all that far-fetched. Blizzard does it by the hundreds of thousands. Difference is, they brag about it... I wish CCP would brag about it, would cheer me up and might actually deter other people from thinking about macroing.
Ariane VoxDei	Posted - 2009.06.25 15:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Elepherious Any one else notice a HUGE down flux in macro miners over the last couple of days? Don't worry they will be back. They are currently running the "summer festival" thing on warcraft, they will be back when that ends. But yes, it was unreal inspecting the belts today. Several of them still had veldspar left.
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.25 15:21:00 - [36] Originally by: Belmarduk The MM-issue is restored.
Ozone71 Caldari The Dark Ic3y LIfe	Posted - 2009.06.25 16:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Kezzle Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher If Macro Miners pay for their accounts with isk from profits they made macro mining, how is this paying for 24% of subs? Every paid account has to be paid by someone. If macro miners buy PLEXes with their bazillions of ISK, someone else had to pay cash to get that GTC, no? So, assuming that 24% to be real in some way, even if only for the sake of argument, "24%" of subscription income (or whatever it's 24% of) is being driven by the macroers. Actually no. All they do is get Ore (basically unlimited supply) and sell it to gather as much ISK as they can - practically an unlimited supply of ISK. The ISK is then sold via various websites for cash and transferred directly through the "Give Player ISK". They could use their ISK to buy PLEXes, or simply buy more time using the cash they make. Yes they may be buying accounts, but you could be using ALT's and demo accounts for several free accounts and only 1 paid subscriber that has all of the gear. "Ozone is blue and smells faintly of geraniums." (Qi, BBC TV)
Martha Dumptruck University of Caille	Posted - 2009.06.25 17:41:00 - [38] No lack of macro miners in Jerma. Come check out the guy with 8 accounts running in the ice belt.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.25 18:28:00 - [39] i scareded them away least they are cracking down until next year o/ JOIN FOFF NOW CHAT CHANNEL FOR RECRUITMENT INFO
Arkady Sadik Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.06.29 00:31:00 - [40] I have an overview setting called "Ingunn" that excludes haulers, shuttles, rookie ships, etc. just so I could actually use my directional scanner in Ingunn and surrounding systems. Down from 130+ in Ingunn to two. THANK YOU CCP!
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.06.29 01:09:00 - [41] Demand for Cruise missiles has crashed in Jita.
Delta Ecks	Posted - 2009.06.29 02:15:00 - [42] Quote: If Macro Miners pay for their accounts with isk from profits they made macro mining, how is this paying for 24% of subs? Think about it. a plex must be created by buying one with IRL cash, therefore banning a macro account is loss of revenue. But I don't think it's that simple either; as macrofarming-isk sellers are supported by players. I think that income players are willing to dispose of on eve would remain somewhat constant, so as the demand from the macro-sector decreases, players will create more alts as plex price would be lower. In addition, I think all of us can agree that it makes the game "funner", which should garner additional subs. I'm not an economist. Can anyone else sort through this better?
Sawny Bean Xeno Tech Corp	Posted - 2009.06.29 02:24:00 - [43] Given the horrible blight rmt is on the game, I think ccp would release a pr statement mentioning banning macros in mass if that happened. More likely the implementation of Green Dam in china has had a large impact on the rmt accounts.
tadig smik Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.06.29 02:33:00 - [44] give it a week... see what the price of trit does... if it goes up, chances are you're right... :)
Ashina Sito Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.06.29 02:50:00 - [45] Originally by: Sawny Bean More likely the implementation of Green Dam in china has had a large impact on the rmt accounts. I had never heard of Green Dam. A 60 second review after a Goolge search tells me it would have no real impact on RMT macros from China. Green Dam is to be installed on every new PC after June 1st. PC's sold prior to June 1st might have Green Dam installed. There is no requirement to install Green Dam on any old system. Additionally, there is no penalty for selling PC's without Green Dam installed. (Dell has not complied yet.) On top of all this I am sure that RMT houses would be able to uninstall (or buy PC's without) Green Dam. So.... don't think so.
Warrio GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.29 04:10:00 - [46] Originally by: Ashina Sito Originally by: Sawny Bean More likely the implementation of Green Dam in china has had a large impact on the rmt accounts. I had never heard of Green Dam. A 60 second review after a Goolge search tells me it would have no real impact on RMT macros from China. Green Dam is to be installed on every new PC after June 1st. PC's sold prior to June 1st might have Green Dam installed. There is no requirement to install Green Dam on any old system. Additionally, there is no penalty for selling PC's without Green Dam installed. (Dell has not complied yet.) On top of all this I am sure that RMT houses would be able to uninstall (or buy PC's without) Green Dam. So.... don't think so. Right you are. However, the information about Green Dam was an interesting read anyway.
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2009.06.29 06:58:00 - [47] Lets hope this is true www.garia.net
Blackened Zero	Posted - 2009.06.29 12:21:00 - [48] If you mean china isk farmers, I hope it's true. They've been around for way too long, mostly born in 2008/04 and have skills to fly golems/ishtars in 0.0 and were everywhere you looked. It's about effing time, gives incentive to new players to mine and actually get something out of it. Let the prices of minerals go up, they will soon plunder, or go where they're meant to go.
Mikayla Grey Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.29 12:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher Originally by: Kuolematon They will never be out of game as they provide 24% of subs income to CCP. Way too much to cut away. If Macro Miners pay for their accounts with isk from profits they made macro mining, how is this paying for 24% of subs? \Thread fails to deliver anything useful, unless paranoic speculation is useful. I would be happy if Macro Miners got the chop though. You could even say that macro miners are driving up the isk price of plexes and that would lead to lower profits for ccp. The players that pay for plexes to sell, need fewer to get the amount of isk they want.
Karentaki Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.29 12:44:00 - [50] Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher Originally by: Kuolematon They will never be out of game as they provide 24% of subs income to CCP. Way too much to cut away. If Macro Miners pay for their accounts with isk from profits they made macro mining, how is this paying for 24% of subs? Please, explain to everyone how exactly you go about buying game time directly from CCP using only ISK. I really want to hear this explanation. Quote: EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
Lifelongnoob Caldari Final Conflict UK Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.06.29 12:44:00 - [51] since insmother/detorid became a war zone there is less macro ratters.
ollobrains THORN Syndicate Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.06.29 12:46:00 - [52] a) remove local everywhere b) make everywhere 00 c) make anyone in an NPC corp over 90 days old ingame fair game - make corp membership meaning u cant quit a corp for 3 days after instead of 24 hours and or any corp at war u cant leave for 3 days after a war dec d) make random NPC battleships spawn in high sec that have smartbombs fitted e) any accounts flagged as macros leav ethem ingame remove their concord protection make them not transferrable and leave em as free for all for all time
Blackened Zero	Posted - 2009.06.29 12:59:00 - [53] Edited by: Blackened Zero on 29/06/2009 12:59:08 Originally by: ollobrains e) any accounts flagged as macros leav ethem ingame remove their concord protection make them not transferrable and leave em as free for all for all time Nice idea, would love this. But I personally don't want to chase them all the time for something they should be banned from the game anyway. If they have been done a clean sweep, they'll be massive new accounts made to train up towards Ravens and lvl 4 agents asap.
LordSwift Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.29 16:03:00 - [54] Originally by: Karentaki Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher Originally by: Kuolematon They will never be out of game as they provide 24% of subs income to CCP. Way too much to cut away. If Macro Miners pay for their accounts with isk from profits they made macro mining, how is this paying for 24% of subs? Please, explain to everyone how exactly you go about buying game time directly from CCP using only ISK. I really want to hear this explanation. dont you just buy Plex's in game with in game isk. I know someone has to buy the GTC's first but thats a way to do it Join the brown Coats today!!!
Misanth Reaper Industries	Posted - 2009.06.29 16:06:00 - [55] Originally by: Arkady Sadik I have an overview setting called "Ingunn" that excludes haulers, shuttles, rookie ships, etc. just so I could actually use my directional scanner in Ingunn and surrounding systems. Down from 130+ in Ingunn to two. THANK YOU CCP! - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Rhaegor Stormborn H A V O C	Posted - 2009.06.29 18:04:00 - [56] If this is true, it would be a good start, but still a LONG way from being done.
Belmarduk Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.06.29 18:50:00 - [57] Not only do they destroy the min-prices (ice and otherwise) they also drive the prices for plexes up to ridiculous heights... Oh and CCP: They also ruin your income: High plex-prices will discourage people from having alt-accounts.... Not talking about the longterm damage it can have to a game when the game gets known as going soft on cheaters and macroers rampant in the game..... CCP I would give this a THOUGHT if I were you... Mainchar:
Theqwert125 Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.29 19:28:00 - [58] Apparently, China has declared RMT illegal
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.29 20:00:00 - [59] Edited by: Soporo on 29/06/2009 20:02:58 Edited by: Soporo on 29/06/2009 20:02:48 Quote: The ruling is likely to affect many of the more than 300 million Internet users in China, as well as those in other countries involved in virtual currency trading. In the context of online role playing games like World of Warcraft, virtual currency trading is often called gold farming. The most popular form of virtual currency in China is called "QQ coins," a form of virtual credit issued by Tencent.com. The trading of virtual currency for real cash employs hundreds of thousands of people worldwide and generates between $200 million and $1 billion annually, according to a 2008 survey conducted by Richard Heeks at the University of Manchester. He estimates that between 80% and 85% of gold farmers are based in China. Course this just probly means that the State will be taking over the trade.
LordValia	Posted - 2009.06.29 20:07:00 - [60] Do you really think that'll do much? The report states that virtual goods and services can not bed traded for real goods and services in China. That means if the account belongs to a country other than China, it's fine. The Chinese workers are providing a real service(their time in front of a computer which is no different than someone typing up reports for a company) and therefore can receive payment in real goods(money). The virtual goods are actuall property of the company which can now sell it for real money while not in the jurisdiction of the Chinese. Do you see any change to what is already happening? I don't.
Lonestar123	Posted - 2009.06.30 06:36:00 - [61] Originally by: LordValia Edited by: LordValia on 29/06/2009 20:08:37 Edited by: LordValia on 29/06/2009 20:07:40 Do you really think that'll do much? The report states that virtual goods and services can not be traded for real goods and services in China. That means if the account belongs to a company from a country other than China, it's fine. The Chinese workers are providing a real service(their time in front of a computer which is no different than someone typing up reports for a company) and therefore can receive payment in real goods(money). The virtual goods are actually property of the company which can now sell it for real money while not in the jurisdiction of the Chinese. Do you see any change to what is already happening? I don't. -Edit: spelling 80-85% of rmt traders are located in China. I sense change...
Shuk Baltar	Posted - 2009.06.30 07:24:00 - [62] Edited by: Shuk Baltar on 30/06/2009 07:24:28 Here is your answer. Quote: In addition to its ongoing crackdown on Internet ****, the Chinese government has declared that virtual currency cannot be traded for real goods or services. Virtual currency, as defined by Chinese authorities, includes "prepaid cards of cyber-games," according to a joint release issued by China's Ministry of Culture and Ministry of Commerce on Friday. "The virtual currency, which is converted into real money at a certain exchange rate, will only be allowed to trade in virtual goods and services provided by its issuer, not real goods and services," the Ministries said. The Chinese government estimates that trade in virtual currency exceeded several billion yuan last year, a figure that it claims has been growing at a rate of 20% annually. One billion yuan is currently equal to about $146 million. The ruling is likely to affect many of the more than 300 million Internet users in China, as well as those in other countries involved in virtual currency trading. In the context of online role playing games like World of Warcraft, virtual currency trading is often called gold farming. The most popular form of virtual currency in China is called "QQ coins," a form of virtual credit issued by Tencent.com. Tencent.com, which has about 220 million registered users -- about as many as Facebook -- is quoted in the Chinese government news release as "resolutely" supporting the new rule. The government justifies its ban on virtual currency trading as a way to curtail gambling and other illegal online activities. The extent to which the Chinese government will apply its virtual currency rule to online role playing games remains unclear. A report in the English-language China Daily says that in-game gear is not considered virtual currency, so selling virtual items may be allowed to continue. The trading of virtual currency for real cash employs hundreds of thousands of people worldwide and generates between $200 million and $1 billion annually, according to a 2008 survey conducted by Richard Heeks at the University of Manchester. He estimates that between 80% and 85% of gold farmers are based in China. "[M]any online games have a virtual economy and an in-game currency," he states in his survey. "Gold farmers can play in-game to make some currency. They then sell that for real money -- typically via a Web site and using the PayPal payment system -- to other players of the game." Game companies typically forbid gold farming but committed virtual currency traders find ways around such rules. Some game companies have recognized the futility of trying to ban the practice and have built virtual commerce into their game infrastructure. Black Hat is like no other security conference. It happens in Las Vegas, July 25-30. Find out more and register. Updates: currency conversion corrected, added China Daily reference. Source: http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/ebusiness/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218101859
LordValia	Posted - 2009.06.30 15:04:00 - [63] Edited by: LordValia on 30/06/2009 15:06:14 From what I understand of how it works, the sites that sell these services are not based in China. They are simply the faces for the Chinese company that does that actual collection and sale of ISK. They're like agents in that these sites facilitate the sale but are not actually the ones doing the ISK farming. That's why usually mass bans can hinder their progress for 1-2 months because all the sites that sell ISK are actually "supplied" by the same group of Chinese ISK farmers. It's kind of like many faces to one beast. Now, China has made it illegal for these Chinese companies to exist. It is a problem for them, but as I explained earlier, the solution is simple. Simply make these assets property of a non-Chinese company and the law does not apply because the Chinese workers ARE providing a real service just like they provide a real service when jobs such as data processing are outsourced to them. Therefore, since the solution is so simple, I'd call it a step in the right direction for China, but it is hardly going to hinder the efforts of these companies.
Edgar Wind	Posted - 2009.06.30 19:38:00 - [64] i must post one of the chinese farmer gone thread. so just say this is EPIC happening to games from a very lot of time i play games. epic again. and cpp can shame for this. All toghether say ALLELUIA. Edgar
Xcen	Posted - 2009.06.30 19:44:00 - [65] internet "money" selling has been banned in china so "gold-farmers" so that may be why..
Liz Laser Outland Research and Development The Excession Group	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:14:00 - [66] School's out. College students may have a harder time macroing 8 computers on their PARENT's electricity. ("You're doing what?!?! I don't think so!") Whereas dorm electricity is free. It's summer. Even macroers take vacations. I think it explains why macros are still seen in some systems and have vacated others.
LordValia	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:39:00 - [67] Originally by: Liz Laser School's out. College students may have a harder time macroing 8 computers on their PARENT's electricity. ("You're doing what?!?! I don't think so!") Whereas dorm electricity is free. It's summer. Even macroers take vacations. I think it explains why macros are still seen in some systems and have vacated others. You can fit 8 computers in a dorm?! I want that dorm >.>

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