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Tranka Verrane
Public Venture Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.25 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Styopa Tsolyani 1) To those with constructive responses: thanks very much. We don't have a budget that can support 3 accounts separately, so simply "get 3 accounts" isn't much of an answer.
No, you haven't got this, or you aren't explaining yourself properly.
Your way costs you one account, that you can't all play at the same time, for three months play.
My way: Month one, you play for 14 days for free, or even better find someone to take you on as a buddy, you get 21 days and they get a month free and if they have any sense of generosity at all should give you some decent starter isk for the privilege. At the conclusion of your trial you pay for a two month game sub and convert it into two plexes, one of which you apply to your account.
Month two you issue two buddy invites to your sons and they play for 21 days for free. You pass one of them your spare plex (remembering to petition for your game time) and pay a months subscription for the other. So far you have paid three months worth of real life cash.
The three accounts then have a month to make enough isk to buy a plex for the other two. If you don't quite make it your main account will still have a further month to work on it solo, although a gang of 3 doing level 4 missions can quite easily make that kind of cash, if you spend a lot of time ingame, even that young. At the very least you should factor in that between you you should be able to stop paying for the game after a years playing (at the very least), assuming that cost is really that significant a factor. I haven't paid for the game since about the first nine months and I was working solo.
You will have at the very least had a total of 123 days free game time (2x30 days free for your two new subscribers, 3x21 day trials. If after a grand total of 213 days of game time you haven't decided the game is paying some more for then you aren't a serious Eve player anyway.
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Merouk Baas
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Posted - 2009.06.26 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane The three accounts then have a month to make enough isk to buy a plex for the other two.
They want to play, not work at the game. You don't know how old the sons are, and how much time everyone has.
The OP simply wants 3 full characters for the price of 1 account, and no other extra work. It would be a reasonable question to ask if it's possible, except of course the thread title is along the lines of what phone salespeople try to pull ("But, sir, you'll save money if you switch to us. You do want to save money, do you not?"). That kind of line always deserves a **** you, and we hate phone salespeople anyway.
It's all been explained already.
Bottom line, the monthly fee and account restrictions have been that way for over 5 years. Petition CCP if you want, and good luck. |
Tranka Verrane
Public Venture Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.26 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Merouk Baas
Originally by: Tranka Verrane The three accounts then have a month to make enough isk to buy a plex for the other two.
They want to play, not work at the game. You don't know how old the sons are, and how much time everyone has.
Neither do you. Play the game a lot and play for free, or play occasionally and in fits of risky PVP and pay to play, those are the choices, at least early on. He has said paying for 3 accounts wasn't an option for expense reasons do I was offering an alternative.
Bottom line, you want three people to play for the price of one without any extra work; then go f**k yourself.
Player Since 2005 Over 4000 hours logged
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Astrixx
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Posted - 2009.06.26 08:33:00 -
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Edited by: Astrixx on 26/06/2009 08:33:37 to be honest this guy was kind of obnoxious. the title of the post was inflammatory. Second, he doesn't realize that his gripe applies to every other MMO game and then complained as if EVE is unique and stupid somehow in that respect. |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.06.26 10:55:00 -
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The solution to the OP is easy.
The person playing is running a skill. Before logging out he pause the skill and the next person playing can start his skill. This is identical to how skill progression work on a single account in WoW so shouldn't be a problem in EVE either right? |
gfldex
Kabelkopp
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Posted - 2009.06.26 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Styopa Tsolyani
2) To the snide, defensive, or arrogant posts - wow, I haven't heard a crowd like this since...well, since I bothered to try to ask a question on the World of Warcraft forums. In terms of fanboi maturity, you're almost indistinguishable.
On the other hand, being a cheapskate is fine.
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Vikura
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.26 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Astrixx Edited by: Astrixx on 26/06/2009 08:33:37 to be honest this guy was kind of obnoxious. the title of the post was inflammatory. Second, he doesn't realize that his gripe applies to every other MMO game and then complained as if EVE is unique and stupid somehow in that respect.
Though... there isn't that many other MMO's with the same skill/training system as EVE haves. Also all the other (major) MMO's allow account sharing between family members (ie father and 2 sons).
And since most other games use the kill stuff/do quests etc. to gain experience and gain levels -system, it is possible to level multiple characters without any real drawbacks. In EVE the training is done in real time, which means when you pause the training to train other character, you LOSE skill points. However in the more standart style MMO's, you go make food, your son comes to play/level hes character and you lose nothing because you wouldn't be playing your character anyway.
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Tish Magev
Blind Violence
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Posted - 2009.06.26 12:48:00 -
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Quote: 2) To the snide, defensive, or arrogant posts - wow, I haven't heard a crowd like this since...well, since I bothered to try to ask a question on the World of Warcraft forums. In terms of fanboi maturity, you're almost indistinguishable.
It wasn't always that way, sadly it's getting more and more like that in EvE everyday, the more popular it becomes the more muppets there are around :(
Unfortunately if you can't afford to pay for 3 accounts then there isn't a lot to do, there are good reasons for only allowing 1 character to train per account at any given time.
Yes you can pay for your game time using in game money, I haven't paid real cash to play eve in a while, unfortunately the amount of ISK they cost per month is probably not feesable for most new player to acheive (you're looking at around 800Mil a month assuming you pay real money for 1 account and ISK for the other 2). |
lacretia
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Posted - 2009.06.26 13:17:00 -
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I believe that the main reason CCP doesnt allow multiple training chars on one account is that it would allow people to "farm" characters without actually playing them. In EvE, it is perfectly legal, acceptable, and common to sell of characters when their use is no longer needed. There is even a forum on here to facilitate the transfer. So, think of the issues it would cause if every player had 2 alts that they were farming >for free<.
CCP is in this whole gaming thing to make money, and they make money when someone opens an account, trains up a character, and then sells it. CCP makes no money when someone trains up two alts on the same account and sells them for in game currency and they perpetually plays for free.
For example...if everyone could train multiple chars per 1 subscription, then in 3 to 4 months you could train up a mining alt...sell that alt for 2 billion...buy game time cards with that isk for the next 3-4 months, and so forth and so on. Problem is, eventually since everyone can train up their own alts the market for characters dies, and everyone just has one account....which, in turn, means CCP makes less money, which be the very nature of business, is against their ultimate goals. |
Drakarin
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.26 15:21:00 -
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It's unfortunate, but I see no way around it. It would be ridiculous to allow people to train alts at the same time as their main character. There are already too many damn alts as it is. |
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FOl2TY8
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.06.26 17:19:00 -
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Kill your children. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
Astrixx
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: Astrixx on 26/06/2009 19:33:43 Edited by: Astrixx on 26/06/2009 19:32:33
Originally by: Vikura
Originally by: Astrixx Edited by: Astrixx on 26/06/2009 08:33:37 to be honest this guy was kind of obnoxious. the title of the post was inflammatory. Second, he doesn't realize that his gripe applies to every other MMO game and then complained as if EVE is unique and stupid somehow in that respect.
Though... there isn't that many other MMO's with the same skill/training system as EVE haves. Also all the other (major) MMO's allow account sharing between family members (ie father and 2 sons).
And since most other games use the kill stuff/do quests etc. to gain experience and gain levels -system, it is possible to level multiple characters without any real drawbacks. In EVE the training is done in real time, which means when you pause the training to train other character, you LOSE skill points. However in the more standart style MMO's, you go make food, your son comes to play/level hes character and you lose nothing because you wouldn't be playing your character anyway.
um the point is that the fact that you can't train skills on diff characters simultaneously on the same account is equivalent to not being able to log in with two characters on the same account on any other MMO (like WoW). He would have to pay for three accounts on other MMOs anyway if they wanted to play at the same time.
But, as someone suggested, if they only play in a serial rather than simultaneous fashion, then one guy can stop skill training so the other can log on and start his.. not that hard.
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Gallente Citizen20090206
Holographic Universe
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Styopa Tsolyani Sadly, we're not going to be EVE customers.
Awww, such a shame.
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me0de
Holographic Universe
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Styopa Tsolyani Sadly, we're not going to be EVE customers.
Awww, such a shame.
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Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.06.26 21:15:00 -
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Let me add my voice to the choir here.
First, it is true that you can only have one character, per account, logged in at the same time and playing at the same time.
This isn't unusual. I've played and worked on many a MMO, and I cannot recall a single game that allows you to play multiple characters simultaneously from one account, and thus "level" multiple characters, from one account, simultaneously.
As others have suggested, use the buddy system. That will get you two months free game time. Eventually you will be able to buy game time with isk. For information on how to do that go to the "timecode bazaar" channel on these forums.
You can also purchase 30 day plex cards off of the market in game. Each of these provides your account with 30 days of game time.
Cheers,
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Ami Nia
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.26 21:28:00 -
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One thing that should be pointed out is this:
Access to an account is for one person only: sharing login and password among multiple persons is against the EULA. Parents of minors do have the right to know the login and password of their children accounts but they shall not play the game on that account. Only ONE of the children shall know the credentials for a given account.
The above rules are part of the contract (EULA). And this is the case for all the MMORPGS I know of. Granted it may be difficult for the MMORPG company to enforce those rules. But you should remember that if they have evidence that you AND your child are sharing an account OR that multiple children of yours are playing on the same account they DO have the right to suspend the account and you are not eligible for a refund.
Again: this is the same for all MMORPGs I know of. |
Cyno Sid
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Posted - 2009.06.26 22:09:00 -
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Ok, I think you are all missing the obvious and should do what I did.
Sell the kids and with the money you get pay for an account. Thats exactly what I did and now I get three years paid game time with no interuptions - paradise.
The only problem is I need a hauler alt....mmmmm.... now where did my wife go. |
Kassa Daito
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Posted - 2009.06.26 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ami Nia if they have evidence that you AND your child are sharing an account OR that multiple children of yours are playing on the same account they DO have the right to suspend the account and you are not eligible for a refund.
TBH that's probably among the least-enforced portions of EULAs (and there's a lot of competition) because it makes little to no financial sense for a MMO to use it against anyone but a game-currency farmer who's playing 24/7/365.
Yes, CCP would get the remainder of your month's sub but they'd lose the rest of the time you'd spend as a member. The decrease in server bandwidth does not save them $10-15/mo. |
Guy Fitzgerald
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Posted - 2009.06.27 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Merouk Baas
Originally by: Tranka Verrane The three accounts then have a month to make enough isk to buy a plex for the other two.
They want to play, not work at the game. You don't know how old the sons are, and how much time everyone has.
The OP simply wants 3 full characters for the price of 1 account, and no other extra work. It would be a reasonable question to ask if it's possible, except of course the thread title is along the lines of what phone salespeople try to pull ("But, sir, you'll save money if you switch to us. You do want to save money, do you not?"). That kind of line always deserves a **** you, and we hate phone salespeople anyway.
It's all been explained already.
Bottom line, the monthly fee and account restrictions have been that way for over 5 years. Petition CCP if you want, and good luck.
thats not what he said, he asked for 3 chars without paying 3 accounts with RL money, here is his solution, like it or not, but it IS an solution :P
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Herpes Sweatrash
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Posted - 2009.06.28 14:00:00 -
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why not just share one character? Even if you could train more than one character at a time on a single account you would not be able to use more than one at a time so they would be sharing the account anyway. |
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Herpes Sweatrash
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Posted - 2009.06.28 14:04:00 -
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Other option would be to buy characters off the forum to fill those slots. Decent miner will cost you a couple bil and shouldn't require any further training to generate isk. |
Cyprus Black
Caldari 4 wing Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.06.28 16:15:00 -
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Just play the one guy then. Make his name an anagram of all three of your names
But making ludicrous claims that EvE and CCP is anti family is just dumb. It has always been one character can train skills at a time.
$45 a month for a hobby your family shares is a mere pittance compared to the normal everyday costs of family members. ______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. |
MeSo ANGRY
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Posted - 2009.06.29 20:24:00 -
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im pretty sure you can all just play eve using 1 account and 1 character.
while account sharing is technically not allowed, they prob wont care too much if you are not doing dome dodgy stuff and giving them money every month.
since you wont have overlapping game time, this is doubly better because now you can make alot more isk ingame with you 3x eve time.
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Sulissa UrnVelve
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Posted - 2009.06.29 20:43:00 -
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Does 45$ even cover a night out to the movies, for 3 ?
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Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2009.06.29 22:23:00 -
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Weak thread title, IMO. I'd have gone with "CCP hates children." --
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Hanna Montanna
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Posted - 2009.06.30 06:42:00 -
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1. This is Eve Online, which due to its vicious game mechanics, attracts and retains some of the most cold hearted, caluculated, forum warriors of any game out there. You would have to go visit daytime TV drama forums if you wanted to beat the people here in the ire that resides in their hearts. With that said, there are still many great and wonderful people that make this game their home, also due to the vicious game mechanics that provide a challenge.
2. A possible soultion for you, since you don't want to pay for 3 accounts for 3 people and you want all 3 of those same people to play on that account. All 3 of you stay on the one account you are paying for, and all 3 of you focus on 1 character only. Not 1 for each person, 1 character for the 3 of you, if you only want to train/pay for 1 account. So you all play train the same character. Since you said your play times rarely overlap, then there is no problem with this. Player A gets on, makes money, now Player B, then Player C, repeat.
3. Your goal is to make enough in game money so you can eventually purchase a pre-trained character for your kids. You want to get pre-trained characters that will allow you to make lots and lots of money, way more than you have been making up till this point. Your family will have to research which characters would be best for you to make money with your play styles. These pre-trained guys can cost in the Billions, which you can make from mining if you all do it, or mission running, if you all do it. Once you guys have your own characters that make lots of money, now you guys need to make in game money so you can trade it for game time. Because people buy game time cards, and are allowed, in game, to sell those time cards for in game currency. This is one possible solution to your problem and gives the three of you some in game goals. It is akin to grinding for an epic mount, so you understand the amount of work that will be involved.
Good luck and welcome to Eve!
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Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2009.06.30 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hanna Montanna 1. This is Eve Online, which due to its vicious game mechanics, attracts and retains some of the most cold hearted, caluculated, forum warriors of any game out there. You would have to go visit daytime TV drama forums if you wanted to beat the people here in the ire that resides in their hearts. With that said, there are still many great and wonderful people that make this game their home, also due to the vicious game mechanics that provide a challenge.
No. Come here with a bad attitude, absurd thread title, spouting bad-tempered nonsense based entirely on unrealistic assumptions - get attitude in return.
Actually - unless the mods got here first, and apart from one village idiot - the reponses on the first page seem fairly reasonable. More so than the OP deserved, tbh.
Please change thread title to "CCP hates children, destroys families and causes suicide" --
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:55:00 -
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tbh ccp will have a hell of a time proving, hell they probably wont even care, if you and 2 others play the same account and all use the same character. I find the main grind in eve is to make isk more then gain sp. making more isk leads into being able to use the things that require more sp imo.
ah well, enjoy your not eve.
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Dyphorus
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:44:00 -
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You think EVE is the only game like this? Really?
Try reading your EULA on your WoW account. Get caught sharing an account between you and you sons and you will be banned. The same goes for all other MMO's I have ever played.
An account is not intended to be for you, your wife, your mistress, your 32nd cousin twice removed and your best buddy Billy Bob. The intent is one account per person. EVE just has a better system for enforcing it that other games.
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Verx Interis
Amarr SkyNet.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 21:21:00 -
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They have this rule so people don't "Farm" character in a second slot and sell a cap pilot every 18 months of a few billion ISK at absolutely no risk. They make it that if someone wants to farm a character they can at least pay an extra $15/month ---- Logins required for this post: 479337 |
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