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Zim Zimmerson	Posted - 2009.06.25 18:32:00 - [1] So a few of us came back to EVE to give it a try again. Our mission: * As little PvE as possible * Pirate T1 frigate fleet * Daily PvP So far so good on the first two, anyway. Best kill to date: beat a Ferox with two T1 frigates. (Some NPCs helped, but they didn't get to share the loot, so they don't count.) The problem? Where is everyone?? We're going through sector after sector after sector and either nobody is home or there's 20 people in the zone and 0 of them are at asteroid belts. Most of us still have positive security status from our old misbegotten days of PvE so it's not like they see us in system and hide. Our corp is new, so they can't all have us marked as pirates yet. So I repeat, Where is everyone?? No luck so far in probing people out. We know the basics of how to do it but we're not finding anyone who isn't parked at a station. Asteroid belts are almost ALL entirely empty of players. We've gotten some good kills in 0.0 but as we are a pirate frigate fleet, our options there are limited. As you get deep in 0.0, PvEers are in battleships too big for us to realistically take down, and all the 0.0'ers quickly light the batsignal and camp all the gates once they realize we're loose. Gatecamping isn't realistic for us. We don't have enough population to blast people to bits with frigates faster than they can make the gate and we aren't going to PvE for 3 months so we can get sniper battleships. Similarly, we can't realistically bust up gatecamps. Faction wars....I might consider doing that but I figure faction wars mainly consist of people in their super ships moving around in massive fleets? We aren't going to be able to compete with that. Also, if I can't find any players to fight, period, I don't see where a faction war would expand my options. Pirate vs Pirate isn't overly realistic for us either. Most pirates are in far more expensive ships than us. We can take them if we have numbers but we aren't that big. What we're good at is asteroid belt ganking. We'll attack basically anything we can find in an asteroid belt. Problem is 99 out of 100 asteroid belts are empty, both LowSec and in the 0.0 we've been able to access. Did we just happen to pick a bad area or is PvP in EVE really this dead? It's like there's gobs of people in HighSec, fair numbers in 0.0 hiding behind gatecamps and LowSec is the no-man's land in the middle where all you get to fight is tumbleweeds and the occasional asleep-at-the-wheel PvEer. I'm open to suggestions on how to proceed with our pirate frigate fleet plan. By "fleet" I mean we typically field 4 or 5 players in a group. We can take up to battlecruisers fairly well, provided they aren't drone heavy.
Jei'son Bladesmith The Storm Knights The Cool Kids Club	Posted - 2009.06.25 18:35:00 - [2] everyone is spamming Jita local with scams. no one actually flies ships anymore, duh
Reaver Leader Earned In Blood	Posted - 2009.06.25 18:39:00 - [3] Not sure where you are "pirating" but try Amamake or Rancer. Head to the top belt and start talking in local asking for some fun. I am sure a pirate representative will be there shortly to assist you.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.06.25 18:39:00 - [4] I'm of the opinion that the alt population is increasing much faster than the real player population, and most of the alts are going to either be trading, hauling, or mining in High Sec, or off in nullsec doing something (ISK farming probably.) As a result we don't see the same type of traffic increases in Low Sec as we do in those other places. Although it seems your problem isn't a lack of targets, its a lack of strength and too much moving around. Roaming all the time won't necessarily boost your chance at getting kills compared to living in one or two systems close to High Sec and waiting for people to come and rat in your belts. A gang of frigates will easily take down cruisers and lower, and the occasional BC.
Minerva IV Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.06.25 18:42:00 - [5] Well you have learnt the things that have changed very will low sec is a little empty atm, lvl 4 missions in high sec are the best and safest way of making isk so thats what people are busy doing..... That said pvp isnt dead, yes you will get blobed but running a fast frig gang you should be able to avoid them tbh. My advice get a probing ship and learn the new scan sytem look for WH's to 0.0 regions which drop you in the back end of someones space where they are not as protected gank a few people and gtfo.
Zim Zimmerson	Posted - 2009.06.25 18:45:00 - [6] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Roaming all the time won't necessarily boost your chance at getting kills compared to living in one or two systems close to High Sec and waiting for people to come and rat in your belts. Hum, does that work? I thought people would come in to rat, see us in Local and bug out -- or at least, once we all got into negative sec status. I figured roaming would be the best way to catch people unawares. I'll try that tonight, then. Maybe the problem is we're just going too deep into LowSec? I'm surprised, though, to find that LowSec is apparently such a low value area that so much of it sits unused.
Zim Zimmerson	Posted - 2009.06.25 18:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Minerva IV My advice get a probing ship and learn the new scan sytem look for WH's to 0.0 regions which drop you in the back end of someones space where they are not as protected gank a few people and gtfo. Oh yeah I was wondering if that was worth it. 'Bout two weeks to train Astrometrics V to look for WH. /sigh. Well, best get started on that too, then.
Intigo Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.25 18:57:00 - [8] (Wow, it took 10 tries before I could actually reply to this thread...) Go to 0.0. There are a lot more people ratting in 0.0 except for a few lowsec areas - just don't go after farmer Ravens but find a specific Alliance that you wish to harass. You will get a lot more fun fights that way. A good bet is Providence, but that would get you blobbed pretty badly. You could try Deklein, any place with pet Alliances without proper defense from their 'masters'. And, for the most part, try to avoid war areas (like the drone regions or Insmother) as people are less likely to be ratting and feel safe in that area.
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.06.25 19:05:00 - [9] The best place to gank juicy valuable targets with lolships is in level 4 missions. The ninja salvagers I know seem to get plenty of failmails. Learn probes.
Mikael Mechka	Posted - 2009.06.25 19:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Zim Zimmerson 'Bout two weeks to train Astrometrics V to look for WH. /sigh. Well, best get started on that too, then. Wait, what? You need astrometrics to I to have the minimum skills needed to scan a wormhole out. Yeah it might take some time, but astrometrics V and all the other astrometric skills only make it easier and faster, but they aren't mandatory.

Poopsmiff	Posted - 2009.06.25 19:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Zim Zimmerson Stuff (1) Try different areas of lowsec. Some are really crappy and you are not going to find anything in the belts. I can think of systems where the flow of newbs is almost endless, especially on weekends (although the number of pirates in this systems is obviously very high and there is competition). (2) Realize that you're filtering out 95% of potential targets by flying the way you do. There is nothing wrong with flying frigs and raiding the belts but this means you will miss out on killing anything that is in decently fit larger ship, anything sitting in a safe or mission spot, anything docking/undocking, anything moving through the gates, etc. It would be smart to get yourselves into at least some plated T1 cruisers. That alone with give you the ability to take on some bigger ships and will also give you a limited ability to fight under sentries. Getting yourself into a T1 probing frig with some basic probing skills is also a great idea as you can warp you gang to people silly enough to mission in your lowsec area. Even without friends around you can always warp to their mission gates, bookmark and come back in another ship.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.25 19:34:00 - [12] Edited by: Zeba on 25/06/2009 19:36:10 Originally by: Poopsmiff Originally by: Zim Zimmerson Stuff (1) Try different areas of lowsec. Some are really crappy and you are not going to find anything in the belts. I can think of systems where the flow of newbs is almost endless, especially on weekends (although the number of pirates in this systems is obviously very high and there is competition). (2) Realize that you're filtering out 95% of potential targets by flying the way you do. There is nothing wrong with flying frigs and raiding the belts but this means you will miss out on killing anything that is in decently fit larger ship, anything sitting in a safe or mission spot, anything docking/undocking, anything moving through the gates, etc. It would be smart to get yourselves into at least some plated T1 cruisers. That alone with give you the ability to take on some bigger ships and will also give you a limited ability to fight under sentries. Getting yourself into a T1 probing frig with some basic probing skills is also a great idea as you can warp you gang to people silly enough to mission in your lowsec area. Even without friends around you can always warp to their mission gates, bookmark and come back in another ship. (3) Have only one gang member, preferably the youngest least threatening one, jump into the next system as you roam and have him hunt for the targets. 99% of your missed kills are because local spikes by moar than one and any potential targets immediatly go to a safe or dock up. (4) Have everyone train up for stealth bombers asap. You will not be disappointed.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.06.25 20:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Zim Zimmerson Originally by: Dirk Magnum Roaming all the time won't necessarily boost your chance at getting kills compared to living in one or two systems close to High Sec and waiting for people to come and rat in your belts. Hum, does that work? I thought people would come in to rat, see us in Local and bug out -- or at least, once we all got into negative sec status. I figured roaming would be the best way to catch people unawares. I'll try that tonight, then. Maybe the problem is we're just going too deep into LowSec? I'm surprised, though, to find that LowSec is apparently such a low value area that so much of it sits unused. We just moved out of this place called Ouelletta that only has three belts. Even if we had 20 alliance members in local we could still catch people in the belts. I mean generally they weren't very good kills - just newer players for whom ratting in low sec seemed more profitable than missions or mining - but yeah being more static in your location can be effective. That isn't to say that roaming is a bad idea of course.
Barakkus	Posted - 2009.06.25 20:42:00 - [14] Originally by: Zim Zimmerson Originally by: Dirk Magnum Roaming all the time won't necessarily boost your chance at getting kills compared to living in one or two systems close to High Sec and waiting for people to come and rat in your belts. Hum, does that work? I thought people would come in to rat, see us in Local and bug out -- or at least, once we all got into negative sec status. I figured roaming would be the best way to catch people unawares. I'll try that tonight, then. Maybe the problem is we're just going too deep into LowSec? I'm surprised, though, to find that LowSec is apparently such a low value area that so much of it sits unused. Actually I look for flashy red people (well not so flashy anymore) so I can shoot at them without a global criminal flag. I will often hop around lowsec systems on the border of high sec looking for people to shoot at b/c I'm a pvp n00b and I'm trying to figure it out. So if you camp some of those systems you will probably find more people like me :)
Donna Maria Amarr	Posted - 2009.06.25 22:40:00 - [15] Head to 1Smeb then fly through Delve to Querious you will find fun and cookies! Im the girl momma warned you about..
Firkragg Blue Labs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.25 23:55:00 - [16] also just to make it clear your not actually visiting every belt are you? You are using the scanner? Generally frigates limit your options t1 cruisers are much more fun (and a pair of them will own a ratting bs easily if used right)
Lana Hellfury Minmatar Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.06.26 01:10:00 - [17] If you have a frig gank.. Bait.. Let the targets some to you.. Also, go in to any of the Placid lowsec systems and ask what the bunker is for..
Commander Yassir Perkone	Posted - 2009.06.26 01:26:00 - [18] 0.0 Regions in NPC space or with ill-defended pets are and will be your best bets. My recomendation is to try to set out a plan of who will get which belts whenever you jump into a new system. i.e. Player A goes to belt one Player B goes to belt two ...etc... That way if there is anyone in one of the belts you will have the best chance of catching them. ~ The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on.
BiggestT Caldari Oz Space Diggers	Posted - 2009.06.26 06:00:00 - [19] Complaining that no one is sitting in a belt waiting for you to kill them? Well, the reason there's no one there is because of LOLLETSGOHARRASSPPLINBELTS24/7 roaming gangs. Not meaning to troll, but dont bother going to the asteroid belts, go from system to system and hunt other gangs/solo'ers: pvp'ers like you. Not much skill in popping noob ratters :p Of course you can always check the scanner for possible ganks, but this should'nt be your sole purpose. If you dont want to fight other pirates, either get some better ships or grow some swingers, your ships are cheap and you'll be suprised at what you can take on. You dont need to worry bout gate guns coz most ppl will think you're easy pickings and aggress first; make them learn to regret this.
Ser Enity	Posted - 2009.06.26 11:24:00 - [20] OP: I think you might have missed WiS.

Grek Forto Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2009.06.26 13:00:00 - [21] Originally by: BiggestT Complaining that no one is sitting in a belt waiting for you to kill them? Well, the reason there's no one there is because of LOLLETSGOHARRASSPPLINBELTS24/7 roaming gangs. Not meaning to troll, but dont bother going to the asteroid belts, go from system to system and hunt other gangs/solo'ers: pvp'ers like you. Not much skill in popping noob ratters :p Of course you can always check the scanner for possible ganks, but this should'nt be your sole purpose. If you dont want to fight other pirates, either get some better ships or grow some swingers, your ships are cheap and you'll be suprised at what you can take on. You dont need to worry bout gate guns coz most ppl will think you're easy pickings and aggress first; make them learn to regret this. Like when an Arbitrator saw my Drake on a gate. Grek Forto Yarring Blog
Navtiqes Space Sheriff	Posted - 2009.06.26 13:13:00 - [22] Piracy is like fishing. If you lack patience you've already failed. It can't be forced cause the more you rock the boat the less happens. Slow and busy days come in no apparent order. Familiarise yourself with a set of systems and stay there for stastically improved chances of finding someone. And you can kill battleship bears with frigs as long as you take out their drones and you're willing to maybe lose one or two frigs in trade for their loot. Just make sure you use the correct damage types cause they're rarily omnitanked.
Misanth Reaper Industries	Posted - 2009.06.26 15:24:00 - [23] You're talking about two things that doesn't go very well together; * Low sec * Asteroid belts Low sec mining and ratting is simply put, not worth the effort. To get similar NPCing targets you should head for 0.0 ratters, or highsec mission runners, or wormhole inhibitants. Two out of three of those require probing, the third benefit a bit from probing as well. I'd start off by getting some cruisers (Rupture, Arbi, Thorax/Vexor) with some probe launcher and/or neut/RR on it. It does take some effort to find kills since most that PvP, do blob. No matter what sec you hunt in. And the PvE in low sec mainly consist of trading, building, or running missions/explorations.
Zim Zimmerson	Posted - 2009.06.29 19:46:00 - [24] Originally by: Misanth To get similar NPCing targets you should head for 0.0 ratters, or highsec mission runners, or wormhole inhibitants. Highsec mission runners? You mean, like, jump in on them and start looting their stuff and see if they attack you, or are you saying you can attack people in missions without Concorde showing up? I have been learning probes and have jumped in on LowSec mission people. So far my greatest achievement there was to jump in on a mission that 2 battleships were doing and I killed their little destroyer salvager. Well, I assume he was with them. The important thing he he blew up and I took his stuff. I can see where looting highsec mission runners could be good too... maybe I go in and loot and have 4 or 5 corpmates hanging out outside, so that if the dude shoots at me they all warp in and kill him? (Basically I am interesting in "piracy", which is to say, I want to find fat targets to blow up and steal stuff from. Going into LowSec to fight other pirates is like a going out in a rubber dinghy to attack other rubber dinghies. Even if I win it's probably not going to pay off.)
Epegi Givo Amarr Moral Equivalent Of War	Posted - 2009.06.29 20:46:00 - [25] I haven't tried freeforms very much at all. the only one that was a success was when i said i was leaving EVE, picked a likely person, and made a freeform worth all my isk. he never noticed the 50 mil collateral. ------------------------------------- My other alt is a Ferrari


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