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Krystal Vernet Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.06.25 22:38:00 - [1] Linkage Quote: The US Supreme Court has ruled that school staff broke the law when they ordered a 13-year-old girl to strip while searching her for painkillers. Reuters - Has a bit more detail. I'm very happy with this ruling, though slightly less happy that the overall opinion is that the officials in question shouldn't be held liable because it was unclear whether strip searching a teenager in a school was illegal. For a while now, schools have been basically given carte blanche authority to do what they like to students on campus under the guise of security, becoming more prisons than educational facilities. I'm hoping this is but the first step in getting public education schools to be someplace I can trust a child to learn at and actually be safe from friend and foe alike. As it is, with shoddy education and the same staff we entrust the well-being of our children to violating their privacy and restricting their freedom, what point is there?
Luna Sistere Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.06.25 22:58:00 - [2] Agreed. Although I gotta add that with the way kids dress now days was there really much to strip?
Viola AI	Posted - 2009.06.25 23:04:00 - [3] Quote: The strip search was prompted by an unverified tip from a girl who had Redding's school planner and some ibuprofen. She claimed Redding had given her the pills. Some kid names a name to lessen her own trouble, and they go strip search the kid. I am appalled that this even made it to the supreme court and that no one is being held accountable. School principles love going on power-trips and it needs to end. 13 year-old children don't need to be babysat 24 hours a day.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.06.25 23:08:00 - [4] and even if she did have the pills, they are totally legal pills. you can buy them in any corner store or Kwik-e-Mart(7-11). Zero Tolerance is getting stupid, they strip search a 13yr old for having legit OTC meds which are no worse then Asprin or Tylenol. other districts have called in parents and suspended kids over pointing fingers and saying "bang"(kids at the age they play cops and robbers).
Viola AI	Posted - 2009.06.25 23:11:00 - [5] Edited by: Viola AI on 25/06/2009 23:13:27 Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker and even if she did have the pills, they are totally legal pills. you can buy them in any corner store or Kwik-e-Mart(7-11). Zero Tolerance is getting stupid, they strip search a 13yr old for having legit OTC meds which are no worse then Asprin or Tylenol. other districts have called in parents and suspended kids over pointing fingers and saying "bang"(kids at the age they play cops and robbers). Many schools in the US have banned any and all drugs, including OTC medication, just so they can't possibly held responsible is some kid ODs. Ridiculous, but understandable given the inevitability of a lawsuit, so it's up to the courts to finally say they won't be held liable. There was a thread a while back about some girl that got caught taking a prescribed birth control pill at school and ended up with a punishment worse than if she started waving a gun around in class. Maybe someone can dig up a link, Im too lazy. Also, the school shooting thing is a bit of a sore spot for people that work in schools, even if the children aren't old enough to understand.
Krystal Vernet Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.06.25 23:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Viola AI Many schools in the US have banned any and all drugs, including OTC medication, just so they can't possibly held responsible is some kid ODs. There was a thread a while back about some girl that got caught taking a prescribed birth control pill at school and ended up with a punishment worse than if she started waving a gun around in class. Maybe someone can dig up a link, Im too lazy. Correct. Though the punishment was equal to bringing a gun to school, apparently, not worse. It, however, was worse than being caught high on LCD or other illegal drugs apparently, which is odd. Link to mentioned case
TimMc Gallente Extradition	Posted - 2009.06.25 23:29:00 - [7] Thank goodness.
MooKids Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.25 23:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Viola AI Many schools in the US have banned any and all drugs, including OTC medication, just so they can't possibly held responsible is some kid ODs. Ridiculous, but understandable given the inevitability of a lawsuit, so it's up to the courts to finally say they won't be held liable. That and apparently some kids have taken up to using and sharing prescription medication with each other in order to get high. Some of them are idiots and will take anything, like Naproxen, which is the same as Aleve. Now if they faculty thought the kid had drugs, they should have called the cops and have the police handle the matter.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.25 23:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Krystal VernetIt, however, was worse than being caught high on LCD or other illegal drugs apparently, which is odd.[/quote I guess in the minds of the law makers drugs in your bloodstream constitute an intent to fail your classes whilst drugs in your pocket constitute an intent to sell to your classmates. So go figure the different consequences in a western society that treats users as helpless victims.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2009.06.25 23:54:00 - [10] Edited by: F''nog on 25/06/2009 23:55:17 Originally by: MooKids Some of them are idiots and will take anything, like Naproxen, which is the same as Aleve. I just had a great moneymaking idea! I'll sell generic Naproxene (it's cheaper) to kids, either as a wild, new blue pill, or "It's blue, it makes your wang big." I can just see the money pouring in. PS - I live in Arizona, so I'm a very familiar with the stupidity of all this. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows

Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.06.26 00:04:00 - [11] Id want blood if I were the parent of that kid. I would have no problem calmly walking into the school, sitting down with the pincipal, then going for their throat. Strip searching a 13 year old is too many degrees of wrong and if it were my kid id gladly accept the consinquences. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod!
Kingnuts Preposterous Twaddlecock	Posted - 2009.06.26 00:12:00 - [12] Its ibuprofen, an anti inflamitory, you cant get high off of that, believe me ive tried. I ended up taking many 500mg pills and nothing happened.
nahtoh Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.06.26 01:23:00 - [13] Edited by: nahtoh on 26/06/2009 01:24:26 Ah just when the UKs overcontrolling feckwits (formally known as the goverment) start to get me down I can always count on the USA to make me feel "well it could be worse". Bur seroulsy WTF is up with the total fectwits that make this **** up?
nahtoh Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.06.26 01:24:00 - [14] Edited by: nahtoh on 26/06/2009 01:24:09 oops
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.06.26 01:42:00 - [15] Doesn't that qualify for child molestation anyway? -------- Ideas for: Mining
Atomos Darksun Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.06.26 01:45:00 - [16] Originally by: nahtoh Edited by: nahtoh on 26/06/2009 01:24:26 Ah just when the UKs overcontrolling feckwits (formally known as the goverment) start to get me down I can always count on the USA to make me feel "well it could be worse". Bur seroulsy WTF is up with the total fectwits that make this ** up? What's it like having your every action videotaped over there, eh? Originally by:** Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION!
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.06.26 02:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Abrazzar Doesn't that qualify for child molestation anyway? Id certainly consider that what is what happened. Its one thing for an authorized officer to do that sort of thing if the person was suspected of having a weapon on their person somewhere, but its another for school officals (teachers, principal, gym coach) to strip search a 13 year old GIRL fro what amounts to extra strength headach medicine.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2009.06.26 02:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Atomos Darksun Originally by: nahtoh Edited by: nahtoh on 26/06/2009 01:24:26 Ah just when the UKs overcontrolling feckwits (formally known as the goverment) start to get me down I can always count on the USA to make me feel "well it could be worse". Bur seroulsy WTF is up with the total fectwits that make this **** up? What's it like having your every action videotaped over there, eh? On the bright side for them, Britain's Funniest CCTV Videos has done wonders for workplace productivity.
Sobach Gallente Fourth Circle	Posted - 2009.06.26 02:21:00 - [19] Edited by: Sobach on 26/06/2009 02:22:40 Originally by: Viola AI I am appalled that this even made it to the supreme court and that no one is being held accountable. School principles love going on power-trips and it needs to end. 13 year-old children don't need to be babysat 24 hours a day. Read carefully, the SCOTUS only said that the individual working for the school district can't be held personally liable, which TBH is to be expected as they are not the ones who decides the policies but are charged with enforcing them. A sad but necessary protection for teachers and other public servants given the lawsuit-happy nature of our society, even if the one being protected here showed a remarkable lack of common sense. Besides, the SCOTUS did not rule that the school district itself is exempt from the lawsuit, and I fully expect that the district will be sued in the end. That being said, if it were my daughter who got strip-searched, you bet I would go raise hell with the school officials... and then sue the hell outta them too
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.06.26 02:49:00 - [20] Haha... that's pretty funny... you Americans make children strip to make sure they're not carrying painkillers.

Pello Mei	Posted - 2009.06.26 02:56:00 - [21] The main question is, were any photos taken and where can these photos be found...... sorry wrong website, thought I was on 4chan for a moment there.
Terrus Valkin Gallente ArmoredCore Armed Forces	Posted - 2009.06.26 03:21:00 - [22] Edited by: Terrus Valkin on 26/06/2009 03:24:33 I was bored once during a study period, my friend and I were screwing around and doodling things and I drew a nuclear bomb dropping on the school. I forgot to toss out the paper, someone found it and turned it in, and I was suspended from school pending an investigation into how much of a threat I was against the school. I was ordered to take a pyschiatric evaluation before returning to school. My psyche evaluator decided I was "imaginitive and funny." But of course upon returning to school, I discovered that suspensions count as unexcused absences, and I was suspended long enough to put me over the point at which they lower your grade for absences. In short? I was suspended, investigated, given a psychiatric exam, and had all of my grades lowered for a doodle on a piece of paper that contained a hundred other doodles. Yeah. Thank god I graduated. That school was so Stalin. School administrators everywhere are getting so up their own ass about security that it's ridiculous. Ibuprofen? Are you kidding me? That's complete and utter horseshft. School administrators need to know when they're going too far, and I don't think they should be let off the hook just because it wasn't spelled out to them that they're not allowed to strip their students. It's just common sense, wtf.
nahtoh Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.06.26 03:39:00 - [23] Originally by: Atomos Darksun Originally by: nahtoh Edited by: nahtoh on 26/06/2009 01:24:26 Ah just when the UKs overcontrolling feckwits (formally known as the goverment) start to get me down I can always count on the USA to make me feel "well it could be worse". Bur seroulsy WTF is up with the total fectwits that make this ** up? What's it like having your every action videotaped over there, eh? Hmmm on one side I get cought on low res crapy CCTV footage...on the other we have a 13 year old subjected to a fecking strip search for over the counter drug with a 2nd prize of suspended for taking a birth control pill. You know what? I prefer the cameras TBFH, If on the other hand you think CCTV is worse than the 2 examples then you sir a **** of the highest order...
Viola AI	Posted - 2009.06.26 04:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Abrazzar Doesn't that qualify for child molestation anyway? Id certainly consider that what is what happened. Its one thing for an authorized officer to do that sort of thing if the person was suspected of having a weapon on their person somewhere, but its another for school officals (teachers, principal, gym coach) to strip search a 13 year old GIRL fro what amounts to extra strength headach medicine. Would it be better if it was a boy they molested? They had the nurse do the search, which I would rank above a cop and below a doctor on the strip-search-o-graph. If the principle did the search himself, I might be with you on the molestation thing. Near as I can tell, those involved had the best intentions, they're just horribly incompetent.
cpu939 Gallente Phoenix Industries Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.06.26 06:47:00 - [25] Originally by: Viola AI Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Abrazzar Doesn't that qualify for child molestation anyway? Id certainly consider that what is what happened. Its one thing for an authorized officer to do that sort of thing if the person was suspected of having a weapon on their person somewhere, but its another for school officals (teachers, principal, gym coach) to strip search a 13 year old GIRL fro what amounts to extra strength headach medicine. Would it be better if it was a boy they molested? They had the nurse do the search, which I would rank above a cop and below a doctor on the strip-search-o-graph. If the principle did the search himself, I might be with you on the molestation thing. Near as I can tell, those involved had the best intentions, they're just horribly incompetent. i'm sorry but in my view it was wrong for the search to even take place, with out he consent of the perents over painkillers. question you have to ask yourself was the strip search needed - no they could have called the perants/sent the child home was the search for something illegal - no if it was for something illegal would they have called the police - more then likely as the school has to report these to the police so it would have been the police that did the search. would you order the strip search of the child - i for one would not, in this case it was not needed nor did they have any illegal grounds for it as it was not an illegal drug/item. where do you stop strip search is ok what about a cavity? what would they have done if the child had said no to the search? would they have gone for a forced strip search? also what most people have over looked it was two members of the school staff, i for one don't think that a school would have 2 nusies who was the other member of staff was this in the best intention - here you could state the needs of the many out way the needs of the few, but i find on this point having any chld forced to expose themself to 2 adults, in a school, to be wrong if i had been the child i would never have gone ahead with the search think of it this way how scary would that have been for the child. now i know that anything like this would be ont he childs record, this could also be a problem for the child, it could be put as search for drugs not fund this time. how would you read that, it could be read that the child is known to have had drug but when search none where fund this time making the child look bad over another kid trying to get out of trouble.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.26 07:15:00 - [26] Originally by: Atomos Darksun Originally by: nahtoh Edited by: nahtoh on 26/06/2009 01:24:26 Ah just when the UKs overcontrolling feckwits (formally known as the goverment) start to get me down I can always count on the USA to make me feel "well it could be worse". Bur seroulsy WTF is up with the total fectwits that make this **** up? What's it like having your every action videotaped over there, eh? Not so good. What's it like having your every phone call listened to over there, eh? Look, the post you're replying isn't "UK BETTAR THEN TEH US HA HA U SUK". It's "We're awful, but I find a gloomy consolation in the fact that at least there are still a few ways in which some other countries are more awful than us"
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2009.06.26 10:41:00 - [27] Originally by: cpu939 ...where do you stop strip search is ok what about a cavity?... Not relevant in this case as the incident took place on US soil and, as we all know by now, it's only us Brits that have bad teeth.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.26 11:35:00 - [28] I suppose this means I should cancel my application to be a teacher. brb
Kaylan Jahlar Minmatar Industrial Limited	Posted - 2009.06.26 13:01:00 - [29] Originally by: MooKids Originally by: Viola AI Many schools in the US have banned any and all drugs, including OTC medication, just so they can't possibly held responsible is some kid ODs. Ridiculous, but understandable given the inevitability of a lawsuit, so it's up to the courts to finally say they won't be held liable. That and apparently some kids have taken up to using and sharing prescription medication with each other in order to get high. Some of them are idiots and will take anything, like Naproxen, which is the same as Aleve. Now if they faculty thought the kid had drugs, they should have called the cops and have the police handle the matter. I agree. If the police feels that they need to do a strip-search, they can handle that properly, with cops of the same sex in a closed room.
beor oranes Caldari The Capitalist Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.26 13:08:00 - [30] Easy solution...ban clothes

Erin Feineneu	Posted - 2009.06.26 13:32:00 - [31] Originally by: beor oranes Easy solution...ban clothes Quote: Ban organically produced or chemically synthethized potential weapon and/or narcotics concealment accessory Here, made it do-able.
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.06.26 20:27:00 - [32] I'm glad of this ruling as well - the manner in which the search was conducted was a clear violation of the 4th Amendment, which is binding on ALL government employees, not just law enforcement. It sets a very poor and dangerous precedent when we tell our children they have no right to due process, simplified though it may need to be.
CHAOS100 Widowmakers	Posted - 2009.06.26 20:53:00 - [33] Land of the free. free to strip search young girls, i guess. --------------
nahtoh Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.06.26 22:03:00 - [34] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Atomos Darksun Originally by: nahtoh Edited by: nahtoh on 26/06/2009 01:24:26 Ah just when the UKs overcontrolling feckwits (formally known as the goverment) start to get me down I can always count on the USA to make me feel "well it could be worse". Bur seroulsy WTF is up with the total fectwits that make this **** up? What's it like having your every action videotaped over there, eh? Not so good. What's it like having your every phone call listened to over there, eh? Look, the post you're replying isn't "UK BETTAR THEN TEH US HA HA U SUK". It's "We're awful, but I find a gloomy consolation in the fact that at least there are still a few ways in which some other countries are more awful than us" Better reply than mine...thanks Malcanis. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.26 22:27:00 - [35] Originally by: CHAOS100 Land of the free. free to strip search young girls, i guess. ITT: Bitter people who are not american who think the solitary crazy/stupid stuff our courts and attention craving mass media bring out into the spotlight are the norm.
Munchees	Posted - 2009.06.26 22:27:00 - [36] Originally by: CHAOS100 Land of the free. free to strip search young girls, i guess. Only if they are over 18, sign a consent form, and are videotaped.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.26 22:33:00 - [37] Originally by: Munchees Originally by: CHAOS100 Land of the free. free to strip search young girls, i guess. Only if they are over 18, sign a consent form, and are videotaped. Something that is hardly confined to american shores. /me looks pointedly at several european cities and all of the orient who don't even wait till they are 18.
Northern Fall Minmatar Guild Academy Guild Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.26 23:34:00 - [38] We had bouncers with authority to body search us for knives, alcohol and drugs at our leavers prom yesterday.
Munchees	Posted - 2009.06.26 23:37:00 - [39] Originally by: Northern Fall We had bouncers with authority to body search us for knives, alcohol and drugs at our leavers prom yesterday. SUE THEM!!!!!!!
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.26 23:39:00 - [40] Originally by: Northern Fall We had bouncers with authority to body search us for knives, alcohol and drugs at our leavers prom yesterday. I'm sure the bouncers had a good time after the prom with all the illegal goodies they nicked off the kids. I'm not that old to forget what prom night was and still is like.

Kamihami	Posted - 2009.06.30 14:02:00 - [41] Edited by: Kamihami on 30/06/2009 14:03:36 it's a bit more than violation of privacy, though that's certainly part of it, it feels like an understatement...perhaps child molestation would be an overstatement, but it's certainly between the two... Quote: Would it be better if it was a boy they molested? nope, it wouldn't be better to insist a 13 year old boy take off his underpants to see if he's hiding any painkillers down there. (though I doubt he'd be hiding any in his bra ) Quote: They had the nurse do the search, which I would rank above a cop and below a doctor on the strip-search-o-graph. If the principle did the search himself, I might be with you on the molestation thing. Near as I can tell, those involved had the best intentions, they're just horribly incompetent. Hm. Not sure what the best intentions could be, when the intention is to strip search a child to ensure they don't have any painkillers on their person (yes, great, lets protect the kids from over the counter perscriptions they could take at home. if they weren't protected from painkillers, then they might have to deal with not having headaches or period pains, and crikey, then they might be able to concentrate on their school work...) on the basis of an unsubstantiated tip from another child... I'll agree with them being horribly incompetent, but it seems more like they were just trying to forcibly get her to comply with their own policies in the most controlling and humiliating way possible without any real evidence that she was breaking them...rather than actually giving a damn about her personally. Not sure it matters really who did it or how official their capacity was. Yes, if she had a medical condition which required someone to look at her breasts and pelvic area for her own safety, then a doctor or nurse would be required, but even then there should be the issue of consent. Given the reason for the strip search was checking up on possible deviation from the school rules, it doesn't make much difference if it was a cop, teacher, principle, nurse or doctor - none of them have the right to do so.
Angelic Visage	Posted - 2009.06.30 14:09:00 - [42] Surely you'd want to cover your bases and make sure you had an officer there and even better inform the parents straight away to come and try and deal with it before the search was necessary? Mind boggles at the sheer idiocy
StationSpinner	Posted - 2009.06.30 18:15:00 - [43] Just usher in an overtly totalitarian government. Then none of this will come as a surprise to you


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