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Codie Black
EVE-Casino.com
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Posted - 2012.05.19 20:03:00 -
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If there is a fail % on cloaking device some thing like 0,05%
and the afk cloaking problem solve
pos EMP burst decloking device with a time takes time to do and i am not a fan of that.
and the cap low and decloke all ships can be fittet to be stable, to complicated
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
7435
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Posted - 2012.05.20 01:28:00 -
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Why?
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
628
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Posted - 2012.05.20 01:42:00 -
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Cloaking is working as intended.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Loius Woo
PATRIOT KNIGHTS
57
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Posted - 2012.05.20 02:08:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:Cloaking is working as intended.
Agreed, working as It should. |
Codie Black
EVE-Casino.com
2
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Posted - 2012.05.20 04:05:00 -
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turn on eve and hide behind a cloak all day, when you not there.
think that error % is a good way to keep the players active.
if it might fail after 1min or 24hour that so the player have to go check once and awhile,
think that total afk cloaking is lame, i know it's a strategy for make alliances make less isk.
but think it's to easy just to turn you pc on and go on holiday.
A fail error random timer will be a good solution for make sure the is a player behind the screen.
Example we are 50 ppl or just 1 in a alliance agree to open a trail account and invite "body programm" = 2 month game play
you will need 50 emails 50 body invite 50 plex "you get it back when trail inject it"
Train 50 cloking toons and place all in every sys in a alliace.
Make a small macro for login and press cloak (takes like 2-8min to make that with a 10year old brain)
You now have the recipe for a alliance killer.
All can do that, and it free.
That's just lame. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
628
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Posted - 2012.05.20 05:02:00 -
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So not only are you suggesting something to break a mechanic that works fine as is, you are suggesting people use macros with timers, which if memory serves, are in violation of the EULA.
This needs to be closed.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Codie Black
EVE-Casino.com
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Posted - 2012.05.20 05:12:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:So not only are you suggesting something to break a mechanic that works fine as is, you are suggesting people use macros with timers, which if memory serves, are in violation of the EULA.
This needs to be closed.
go and tell about the EULA in jita, 60-90%+ in trail account running scam macros,
be curse the is no game mechanic to stop them |
Beledia Ilphukiir
Proffessional Experts Group
13
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Posted - 2012.05.20 05:43:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:Cloaking is working as intended.
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Codie Black
EVE-Casino.com
2
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Posted - 2012.05.20 05:58:00 -
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just been runnign a background check on you all, all of you stay in highsec.
and dont have that problem, so that's easy to say, there is no problem,
come to 0,0 that's where the problem is, not in highsec. |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
290
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Posted - 2012.05.20 11:23:00 -
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Codie Black wrote:just been runnign a background check on you all, all of you stay in highsec.
and dont have that problem, so that's easy to say, there is no problem,
come to 0,0 that's where the problem is, not in highsec.
Stop trying to PVE in other people's systems. Claim your own space. |
Stralow
Die rot-weiss-roten Piloten
Bruderschaft der Pilger
7
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Posted - 2012.05.20 11:44:00 -
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As a WH resident i'd say no
These kind of cloaking threads are all kind of awful... everytime... there is nothing broken.
i say we take off and nuke the whole site from orbit. it's the only way to be sure |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1026
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Posted - 2012.05.20 13:34:00 -
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I think you no English good.
Please, learn English or use a translator to read through the hundreds of other far better articulated threads on this subject. Then, if you come up with anything genuinely new, post it and have a friend translate/modify your message for you.
This will save us all a lot of time explaining basic concepts to you, and a well written post that has been translated by a fluent English speaker will be much better received.
In the meantime, GTFO and HTFU.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1026
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Posted - 2012.05.20 13:36:00 -
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Stralow wrote:As a WH resident i'd say no
These kind of cloaking threads are all kind of awful... everytime... there is nothing broken.
This is off topic, but seeing as this topic isn't going anywhere im going to post anyway, do you know what I found out the other day?
Bots can see local in wormholes. Apparently local isn't really "removed" in wormholes, the local list is still sent to the client its just hidden in the GUI. Now THAT is something that needs fixing.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Stralow
Die rot-weiss-roten Piloten
Bruderschaft der Pilger
7
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Posted - 2012.05.20 13:51:00 -
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So every time other people here write something you don't like, you start flaming them for there lack explain themselves in english in an game played by people around the world? Thats cool. The moment you join the german eve forum and write perfect german, i will take some advanced english classes. Until then all above from you is just blablabla in no way related to the topic.
I don't need a lecture in basic game mechanics, living in WH space for about some time now and i do well there.
Nothing changes the fact that there is nothing broken with the cloaking mechanic, so why is this topic coming up 4 times a day?
i say we take off and nuke the whole site from orbit. it's the only way to be sure |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1026
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Posted - 2012.05.20 13:59:00 -
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Stralow wrote:So every time other people here write something you don't like, you start flaming them for there lack explain themselves in english in an game played by people around the world? Thats cool. The moment you join the german eve forum and write perfect german, i will take some advanced english classes. Until then all above from you is just blablabla in no way related to the topic.
I don't need a lecture in basic game mechanics, living in WH space for about some time now and i do well there.
Nothing changes the fact that there is nothing broken with the cloaking mechanic, so why is this topic coming up 4 times a day?
This is an English forum, posts should be in coherent English.
And yes, when I see a badly written post on a topic that comes up four times a day, by an OP that clearly hasn't bothered to read any of the other threads, I begin flaming. The thread is redundant, not particularly useful and it serves only to push other, more interesting topics down the list.
And btw, my first post was not directed at you, it was directed at the OP. Just in case you misunderstood, your English is perfectly legible.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
barkaway
Grim Determination Clockworks Inc.
Nulli Tertius
0
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Posted - 2012.05.20 16:55:00 -
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Quote:This is an English forum, posts should be in coherent English.
And yes, when I see a badly written post on a topic that comes up four times a day, by an OP that clearly hasn't bothered to read any of the other threads, I begin flaming. The thread is redundant, not particularly useful and it serves only to push other, more interesting topics down the list.
And btw, my first post was not directed at you, it was directed at the OP. Just in case you misunderstood, your English is perfectly legible
So what your saying is that if ppl cant write in perfect english then they should GTFO?
Wow thats really grown up, yes its an english forum but there are still gonna be ppl who uses it even if they arent english..
And as for the topic of this thread, well i agree with it.
We have had cloaky campers in some of the systems we live in for 14 days and almost 24 hours a day and tbh its annoying..
Yeah i know camping is part of the game but if you want to do it then tbh you shouldnt have the option of leaving your pc for a longer period of time.. |
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
272
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Posted - 2012.05.20 17:36:00 -
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Quick recap on how to beat AFK Cloaking in 0.0; because lets face it, people in lowsec don't care.
-Rat with buddies, varying ship types; believe it or not most afk cloakers do not have a fleet ready to bridge in on them 23.5/7
-Move to another system to rat in, this will really let you know if they are AFK.
-Set up bait traps
-Many many more very good ideas that are out there that I use all the time to kill afk cloakers, but I don't want to give away my secrets.
Stop being scared of someone who may or may not be there, plan for an attack and set up your reactions accordingly. That is the nature of the sandbox, adapt or die. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1030
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Posted - 2012.05.20 19:15:00 -
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barkaway wrote: So what your saying is that if ppl cant write in perfect english then they should GTFO?
Wow thats really grown up, yes its an english forum but there are still gonna be ppl who uses it even if they arent english..
And as for the topic of this thread, well i agree with it.
We have had cloaky campers in some of the systems we live in for 14 days and almost 24 hours a day and tbh its annoying..
Yeah i know camping is part of the game but if you want to do it then tbh you shouldnt have the option of leaving your pc for a longer period of time..
Your English is not perfect English, but it is acceptable and quite good for someone who (presumably) does not speak English as their first language.
This, however is not even moderately acceptable English:
Codie Black wrote:If there is a fail % on cloaking device some thing like 0,05%
and the afk cloaking problem solve
pos EMP burst decloking device with a time takes time to do and i am not a fan of that.
and the cap low and decloke all ships can be fittet to be stable, to complicated
Maybe this level of literacy would be acceptable in a comment, but if you are starting a thread on a well discussed topic and wish for a pleasant reception then you should try to write in as close to fluent English as possible.
In the case of the OP that clearly isn't possible, so he should have written it in his native tongue and had a friend (either online or offline) translate it for him. This may have allowed him to actually articulate any points he was trying to make, and maybe even attempt to expand on the issue.
Instead all we have is something barely legible about his dislike for EMP burst decloaking, cloak capacitor consumption and RNG cloak failure. There is no reasoning, no new ideas and even the points he made are barely legible.
Essentially, this is a terrible thread. That is all there is to it.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
115
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Posted - 2012.05.21 02:27:00 -
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Codie Black wrote:If there is a fail % on cloaking device some thing like 0,05%
and the afk cloaking problem solve
pos EMP burst decloking device with a time takes time to do and i am not a fan of that.
and the cap low and decloke all ships can be fittet to be stable, to complicated
no. AFK cloaking is not an issue. I could make the same arguement about afk wardeccing which most people think is fine... AFKers are no threat.. remove cloakers from local. that's the only solution as it removes the truly afk from the arguement.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
248
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Posted - 2012.05.21 02:35:00 -
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I suggest we stop suggesting decloaking mechanisms.
Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
242
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Posted - 2012.05.21 10:36:00 -
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Codie Black wrote:
and the afk cloaking problem solve
which problem? There is none. |
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.05.21 10:48:00 -
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Codie Black wrote:just been runnign a background check on you all, all of you stay in highsec.
and dont have that problem, so that's easy to say, there is no problem,
come to 0,0 that's where the problem is, not in highsec.
You know you're absolutly right, if someone cloacks up in highsec and "leaves his PC" (you have actualy no way of knowing that.)
Every one will go on with what they are doing.
You know why because you don't need a cloak to sneak up on people, there is hardly a way to know if someone is up to no good in, highsec or in low sec for that matter.
So the fact that you are able to have more intel on someone in High or low sec is your Problem??????
tyhat could easly be solved, remove aliance icons, and you have the same intel as highsec, problem solved right :) |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1033
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Posted - 2012.05.21 11:27:00 -
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Mike Whiite wrote:Codie Black wrote:just been runnign a background check on you all, all of you stay in highsec.
and dont have that problem, so that's easy to say, there is no problem,
come to 0,0 that's where the problem is, not in highsec. You know you're absolutly right, if someone cloacks up in highsec and "leaves his PC" (you have actualy no way of knowing that.) Every one will go on with what they are doing. You know why because you don't need a cloak to sneak up on people, there is hardly a way to know if someone is up to no good in, highsec or in low sec for that matter. So the fact that you are able to have more intel on someone in High or low sec is your Problem?????? tyhat could easly be solved, remove aliance icons, and you have the same intel as highsec, problem solved right :)
AHAHAHAHA.
Yeah, the first guy who posted from negative ten is a real high sec bear.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
104
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Posted - 2012.05.21 11:45:00 -
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[facepalm]
How many times do people need it explaining to them that AFK cloaking isn't a problem, their fear is the problem.
Just to recap:
1) People who are AFK aren't a danger to anyone and so not a problem
2) People who are cloaked up in sytem and not AFK are playing the game and so not a problem
3) People who are afraid of people who aren't blue to them in their system and have absolutely no intention of doing anything about it or covering their arses or getting help from their corp/alliance are a problem
Any alteration to cloaks will affect WH dwellers immensely in order to benefit only those who have no imagination and allow themselves to be controlled by fear.
The solutions to cloakers in your system have been explained in this thread and many many other threads. If those who have a problem with cloakers aren't prepared to do anything about it by utilising one or more of the multitude of possible counters why should the game be changed? Why should people using the cloaking mechanics as they're intended to be used be penalised because a small minority can't defend themselves and cry about it on the forums?
It's a bit like saying mining ships should be made invincible in high sec because otherwise miners can't mine. How many of you would agree with that? |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
Defiant Legacy
67
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Posted - 2012.05.21 12:57:00 -
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I have a very dramatic issue to be solved: AFK Docking!
Everytime I am flying though low-sec on the hunt for Amarr to kill you notice that many of them are AFK docked at a station. This is totally unfair! Please find a mechanism against AFK docking, for example my adding a random chance of 1% per minute then someone is forced to undock.
### joke off ###
Cloaking is fine as it is, just adapt and go away. |
Herold Oldtimer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2012.05.21 13:29:00 -
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afk players should get timed out from local |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
106
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Posted - 2012.05.21 13:45:00 -
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Herold Oldtimer wrote:afk players should get timed out from local
So when you have a person who is intentionally camping an ore belt in someone else's alliance space in a cloaked ship all they have to do is wait and they'll not only be cloaked but they'll also appear to have left the system making all the miners come out again and DIAF.
Whilst I don't think cloaking is over powered what you're suggesting would get abused so very much. It really wouldn't help the situation at all.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1524
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Posted - 2012.05.21 14:19:00 -
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I don't understand why people don't grasp the uses for cloaking devices. It's like they can't see past the "cloak for days then cyno a fleet in" play that goes on in nullsec.
I scout targets, set up warp-ins, ambush people, gather intel on POS activities and other such things. All of those require cloaking that is reliable; a cloak failing on-grid with an enemy fleet is a recipe for doom. You might as well remove it from the game.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
106
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Posted - 2012.05.21 15:45:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I don't understand why people don't grasp the uses for cloaking devices. It's like they can't see past the "cloak for days then cyno a fleet in" play that goes on in nullsec.
I scout targets, set up warp-ins, ambush people, gather intel on POS activities and other such things. All of those require cloaking that is reliable; a cloak failing on-grid with an enemy fleet is a recipe for doom. You might as well remove it from the game.
It's because most people can't see things from any perspective other than their own. Because they're having a hard time because of someone using a cloak they think they're justified in demanding a nerf to cloaking that ruins large swathes of the game.
It's basically ignorance coupled with selfishness. |
Herold Oldtimer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2012.05.21 16:11:00 -
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Tchulen wrote:Herold Oldtimer wrote:afk players should get timed out from local So when you have a person who is intentionally camping an ore belt in someone else's alliance space in a cloaked ship all they have to do is wait and they'll not only be cloaked but they'll also appear to have left the system making all the miners come out again and DIAF. Whilst I don't think cloaking is over powered what you're suggesting would get abused so very much. It really wouldn't help the situation at all.
No game should reward a player for being inactive. So if an inactive enemy player is removed from the list of active players then the "fear" of having that enemy player in the same system as you is diminished.
Also, nothing in null-sec should be done alone. So it should also be natural for corps living in null to provide adequate protection and/or scouting to said miners.
I doubt something like this will completely eradicate static gameplay. (EVE players will be EVE players). But it could get more players out of stations/pos's. Added with some way to hunt non-cov-ops cloaked ships, and EVE null-sec could get very exciting.
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