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Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.30 00:55:00 - [1] Edited by: Vidi Angelus on 30/06/2009 01:07:52 Edited by: Vidi Angelus on 30/06/2009 00:56:18 So now the T3 cruiser prices are dropping down, I'm looking at fitting one out as a ninja salvager. So Far, I've come up with this: Proteus , Ninja Salv Electronics: Emergent Locus Analyzer (10% Probe Scan, +20% Tractor Range+Speed, -99% CPU for Probe laucher) Offensive: Drone Synthesis Projector (5% Med Hyb Damage, 10% Drone damage, 7.5% drone hitpoints) Defensive: Augmented plating (10% Armor HP) Propulsion: Interdiction Nullifier ( Immune to bubble, 5% Agility) Engineering: Augmented Capacitor Reservoir (%5 Drone MWD, 7.5% Drone HP) Highs: Salvager II Salvager II Salvager II Salvager II Sisters's Probe Launcher Improved Cloaking Device Mids: Medium Cap Booster II (200s) 10MN MicroWarpDrive II 10MN Afterburner II Lows: 1600 Rolled Tungston EM Hardener II Thermal Hardener II Explosive Hardener II Inertia Stabilizer II Rigs: Drone speed I Salvage tackle I Grav cap upgrade I Drones Warrior II 10 Ogre 5 (max 4,) Hammerhead II 5 EHP is 71,469* , With 77.5% EM, 85.4% Therm, 83.8% Kin , & 59.5% Explosive, Hardeners can be swapped for local rats. DPS = 380/w Ogres ,121 with warriors, (If combat fit is needed the AB is replaced with warp disruptor, the salvagers with 3Med Railgun, 1 Med Neut, adds 105 DPS w/ Caldari Navy Anti, Or All Neuts) Has two flights of light drones, and a flight of mediums + Heavys. Which both recive two speed bonuses, a double HP bonus, and a damage bonus) Is immune to bubbles, has a 45% salvage access bonus on 4 salvagers, Has two probe scan bonuses. Also has a cloak fitted. Speed is 453m/s with Burner, 1152 with MWD (owch) Is cap stable under almost all circumstances, and has a cap booster to fight Neut ships. Aligns in 5.3 Seconds (weakest point of the design) I'm cross trained Caldari and gallente. the Tengu does salvaging better, but with a smaller tank & no DPS. Could anyone offer any suggestions?
Angor KAHONAS	Posted - 2009.06.30 04:46:00 - [2] what a waste of an awesome ship _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Bootleg Greg Minmatar CHILL Industries	Posted - 2009.06.30 05:07:00 - [3] Just punch yourself in the face and delete this thread.
Lijhal Native Freshfood	Posted - 2009.06.30 05:22:00 - [4] this thread only shows the stupidity of a ninja salvager ....
Little Matt Caldari New Fnord Industries	Posted - 2009.06.30 06:06:00 - [5] I thought the whole point of Ninja salvaging was not to get attacked. If you're getting attacked, you fail. If you're not getting attacked, why do you need to have drones, tank, etc...
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 06:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Vidi Angelus the Tengu does salvaging better Nerf Caldari!
TheShire Amarr F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.06.30 07:52:00 - [7] think he also forgets the fact the you cant tractor other peoples wrecks (so that tractor sub is pointless)
Tranquil Vengence	Posted - 2009.06.30 08:42:00 - [8] so lemme get this straight, you think just because t3 cruisers are getting cheaper (they are), youre gonna go spend 200 million on a ship, then another 800mil-1bil on subsystems to.....salvage? What the hell is wrong with you?
4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.06.30 12:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Tranquil Vengence so lemme get this straight, you think just because t3 cruisers are getting cheaper (they are), youre gonna go spend 200 million on a ship, then another 800mil-1bil on subsystems to.....salvage? What the hell is wrong with you? It's an infection rapidly spreading around eve, where large amounts of ISK begin to degrade the patients brain. Symptoms include officer fits, impulse tech 3 purchases and an overabundance of GTCs.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.30 13:04:00 - [10] EHP is meaningless on a ship that doesn't get aggression from the people you're stealing from. If you did decide to loot in this I would go out of my way to refit a mission ship with a point.
Zodern	Posted - 2009.06.30 13:36:00 - [11] tl;dr version first: your idea is stupid because you gain nothing over a T1 frig First, your speed sucks. 453m/s with AB on? Small tractors are 500m/s. That's a hint. More importantly, a cheap little T1 frig is going to clear a pocket of wrecks significantly faster than your comparatively lumbering T3 cruiser. You want to get done as fast as possible so you can move on to the next place to salvage. Something as slow as your fit is a complete failure. Second, that big tank is completely meaningless. If you pull aggro as a ninja, you're doing something wrong. If you pull aggro and start taking meaningful damage (and this is in a T1 frig I'm talking about), you're doing something seriously wrong. If you start taking real damage, and can't warp to a safe spot before you're in danger, well that's just pathetic. Third, angry ninja targets who decide to shoot you. If you're in a T1 frig, you warp out and switch to a PVP ship and blow your target away. In your fit, you still have to run away and at least switch fits, if not ships entirely. Nothing gained there, and if the target manages to destroy the salvaging frig, nothing's lost, since one large wreck can potentially provide enough salvage to buy and fit several good ninja frigs. If you've bought a T3 cruiser, you'll have a much better time of it if you keep it as a combat fit and use a real ninja salvage ship to do that part. Not saying you wouldn't be able to ninja just fine in your proposed ship, but you're going to perform worse than something costing a fraction of one of your rigs, let alone your full ship. Some people have no problem paying hundreds of millions for a few percent increase in performance, but you're doing the opposite, here. When you sacrifice most of your speed for things that don't matter... Yeesh. If you want to pay too much, get an Interceptor or AF as your salvage ship. They actually can outperform a T1 frig.
Pater Peccavi Minmatar Cadre Assault Force	Posted - 2009.06.30 13:43:00 - [12] I thought this was going to be a thread about ninja salvaging in WHs. This thread failed to deliver. Originally by: hi go Let the human be very annoyed! Another person is very repugnant!
TimMc Gallente Extradition	Posted - 2009.06.30 13:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Pater Peccavi I thought this was going to be a thread about ninja salvaging in WHs. This thread failed to deliver. So did I. /threadfail
Von Kapiche Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.30 13:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Pater Peccavi I thought this was going to be a thread about ninja salvaging in WHs. This thread failed to deliver. Thirdeded. This surely has to be a troll though. What salvage does a t3 shipwreck give anyway?
Meirra Dalekki	Posted - 2009.06.30 15:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Pater Peccavi I thought this was going to be a thread about ninja salvaging in WHs. This thread failed to deliver. <-- Yet another disappointed customer! During my first foray into a WH I tried to ninja salvage in the middle of a heated two-fleet RR BS battle over a partially-cleared site, to see if it was possible to salvage anything and flee before I was noticed. I learned the hard way that Sleepers are generous with their affections: my cov ops was one-shot by the Sleeper BSes before a single salvager cycle could finish. There are probably a number of options for surviving the aggro in a lower class WH (e.g. t3 would be a good mix of survivability and maneuverability, although that's a lot risked), but due to the high alpha and scramming issues in high-value sites I doubt that any ship could survive a solo ninja salvage attempt. You'd have to bring in a ninja salvaging RR fleet, and that would just be ridiculous (but funny!).
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.06.30 16:02:00 - [16] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 30/06/2009 16:05:21 Pros of the fit: -Can scan almost as well as a covops ship without switching -4x salvager IIs + Salvage Tackle means you'll have few issues salvaging -Probably has good cargo room for loot -Can be EASILY refit for MR gank if someone opposes yourlooting. cons: -Slow Proteus is sloooow. 453 m/s is way too slow. My Stabber can go 1km/s with a 10mn AB, and even then i sometimes find travelling moderate distances a pain (for large distances, I have a 100mn AB). Without look at EFT, my advice is to drop everything in the lows and use 3x ODs and 2x Istabs. You can replace the medium cap booster with a LSE. Why are you worried about neut ships? That's a ninjaboat; just use the ingame fitting feature to quickly swap to a combat fit if needed. Your ninjaship's combat stats are impressive, but it's not going to break a missionrunner's active tank. If you're really worried, you can replace one of the ODs/istabs with a DCII or something. My Stabber runs a single LSE for tank, and I've never really come close to getting popped in it...and I'm sure the Proetus is naturally MUCH tougher. You do however have to be very vigilant...never go AFK when you have missionrunner aggro or when there are rats in the room (I did the former once on a mission gate). Quote: Not saying you wouldn't be able to ninja just fine in your proposed ship, but you're going to perform worse than something costing a fraction of one of your rigs, let alone your full ship. Some people have no problem paying hundreds of millions for a few percent increase in performance, but you're doing the opposite, here. When you sacrifice most of your speed for things that don't matter... Yeesh. If you want to pay too much, get an Interceptor or AF as your salvage ship. They actually can outperform a T1 frig. I'm assuming he'll be looting in this...which is where the real strength of a cruiser comes in. Admittedly, he'll need to get a ****load more speed out of that thing before it even competes with a stabber. However, a Proteus ninjasalvager wins on sheer badassery. Also, I'm not sure an AF would outperform a t1 frig for ninjaing. More highs of course, but they aren't generally as agile.
Zodern	Posted - 2009.06.30 16:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Kahega Amielden I'm assuming he'll be looting in this...which is where the real strength of a cruiser comes in. Admittedly, he'll need to get a ***load more speed out of that thing before it even competes with a stabber. However, a Proteus ninjasalvager wins on sheer badassery. Also, I'm not sure an AF would outperform a t1 frig for ninjaing. More highs of course, but they aren't generally as agile. Yeah, looting would be a good use. Still, epically slow is not the right way to go. As for AFs... I included it as they're possible to do some things with that you can't as well with a T1, without sacrificing much. shrug*
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.30 18:46:00 - [18] Why? Because I can Trading in various 0.0 Keeps me plenty flush. And because I can. Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 30/06/2009 16:05:21 Pros of the fit: -Can scan almost as well as a covops ship without switching -4x salvager IIs + Salvage Tackle means you'll have few issues salvaging -Probably has good cargo room for loot -Can be EASILY refit for MR gank if someone opposes yourlooting. cons: -Slow Proteus is sloooow. 453 m/s is way too slow. My Stabber can go 1km/s with a 10mn AB, and even then i sometimes find travelling moderate distances a pain (for large distances, I have a 100mn AB). Without look at EFT, my advice is to drop everything in the lows and use 3x ODs and 2x Istabs. You can replace the medium cap booster with a LSE. Why are you worried about neut ships? That's a ninjaboat; just use the ingame fitting feature to quickly swap to a combat fit if needed. Your ninjaship's combat stats are impressive, but it's not going to break a missionrunner's active tank. If you're really worried, you can replace one of the ODs/istabs with a DCII or something. My Stabber runs a single LSE for tank, and I've never really come close to getting popped in it...and I'm sure the Proetus is naturally MUCH tougher. You do however have to be very vigilant...never go AFK when you have missionrunner aggro or when there are rats in the room (I did the former once on a mission gate). Quote: Not saying you wouldn't be able to ninja just fine in your proposed ship, but you're going to perform worse than something costing a fraction of one of your rigs, let alone your full ship. Some people have no problem paying hundreds of millions for a few percent increase in performance, but you're doing the opposite, here. When you sacrifice most of your speed for things that don't matter... Yeesh. If you want to pay too much, get an Interceptor or AF as your salvage ship. They actually can outperform a T1 frig. I'm assuming he'll be looting in this...which is where the real strength of a cruiser comes in. Admittedly, he'll need to get a ***load more speed out of that thing before it even competes with a stabber. However, a Proteus ninjasalvager wins on sheer badassery. Also, I'm not sure an AF would outperform a t1 frig for ninjaing. More highs of course, but they aren't generally as agile. Yeah I was thinking of swapping the MWD for a 100Mn Afterburner, If the plate gets dropped it'll fit with plenty of grid spare. Reason for the Tank is because it'll end up going to my 0.0 home from time to time, Having a nice buffer means my high ISK coffin will survive long enough to gatecrash/force off small targets/ Wait for Help to arrive. If its expensive I'd like it not to be paper thin as well. But I'll concede it can do with a lot less tank. With the lows replaced with 3 OD, 2* Inert & 1 Explosive hardener it has 4.1s Align & 1220 M/s , 1700+ Overheated & 30K odd EHP, 36K with LSE -Much better :) & To Someone above, The tractor bonus comes with the Probe bonus module, Its not as if I can choose As for going AFK, theres always the cloak or whatnot, but in this i doubt i will be :p
De Guantanamo	Posted - 2009.06.30 18:54:00 - [19] Originally by: 4THELULZ It's an infection rapidly spreading around eve, where large amounts of ISK begin to degrade the patients brain. Symptoms include officer fits, impulse tech 3 purchases and an overabundance of GTCs. quoting this
Rawr Cristina Caldari Liberi Fatalius Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.30 18:54:00 - [20] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 30/06/2009 18:55:22 if you want speed, slap a core x-type 100mn AB on a Loki with the Fuel Catalyst sub, few nanos and you're going 2.5km/sec though it might take a while to get to that speed - Contagious -
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.30 19:35:00 - [21] Originally by: De Guantanamo Originally by: 4THELULZ It's an infection rapidly spreading around eve, where large amounts of ISK begin to degrade the patients brain. Symptoms include officer fits, impulse tech 3 purchases and an overabundance of GTCs. quoting this Never sold a GTC, Never used officer fits, Never made an Impulse T3 purchase, I don't plan to get this for at least a month. Nice try though, 2/10.
Joe Starbreaker Valklear Guard	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:07:00 - [22] You can't use an MWD in missions. - // -
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Vidi Angelus Originally by: De Guantanamo Originally by: 4THELULZ It's an infection rapidly spreading around eve, where large amounts of ISK begin to degrade the patients brain. Symptoms include officer fits, impulse tech 3 purchases and an overabundance of GTCs. quoting this Never sold a GTC, Never used officer fits, Never made an Impulse T3 purchase, I don't plan to get this for at least a month. Nice try though, 2/10. lol However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker You can't use an MWD in missions. MWD was for 0.0, but tbh I can just switch before I travel, So its a LSE now.
Enden Assulu Caldari Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:34:00 - [25] Edited by: Enden Assulu on 30/06/2009 20:35:30 The thing is that, you could PvP in this if you have such deep pockets. People tend to ninja salvage for ISK, which is obviously not why you are doing it. So why are you doing it in the first place, unless you are griefing in which case you are better off in a cheaper ship that the missioner will shoot and then going back in in this thing fit for PvP. Although I would prefer a Navy Mega with sexy faction mods :\| Click the image!
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:41:00 - [26] Edited by: Vidi Angelus on 30/06/2009 20:43:53 Edited by: Vidi Angelus on 30/06/2009 20:41:39 Originally by: Enden Assulu Thei thing is that, you could PvPing in this if you have such deep pockets that you claim to have. People tend to ninja salvage for ISK, which is obviously not why you are doing it. So why are you doing it in the first place, unless you are griefing in which case you are better off in a cheaper ship that the missioner will shoot and then going back in in this thing fit for PvP. Although I would prefer a Navy Mega with sexy faction mods :\| I make my money trading, I ninja salvage to relax. If I was bothered about making bank I'd use a cheaper ship for sure. I want a shiny toy to enjoy, And my pockets are full enough to buy a toy, but not deep enough to warrent PVP- Not to mention the stress of losing one, Eve is a game after all If my pockets get that deep, With these subsystems it wouldn't make an awful gang ship, 2 Neuts+ 450 DPS, Cloak probes & bubble immunity. Don't need a Bentley to get to work, but it'd sure be nice :) I only ninja from expensive ships/fittings, Not from cheap ships. A twisted robin hood if you will :P
Oam Mkoll Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:48:00 - [27] Originally by: Bootleg Greg Just punch yourself in the face and delete this thread. This is where the thread should have ended. ---
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Oam Mkoll Originally by: Bootleg Greg Just punch yourself in the face and delete this thread. This is where the thread should have ended. I Apologise for wanting to spend my Intarnet game moneyz on something fun and pointless. Its not a Fail fit (just overpriced, So are Rolls Royces) and I'm not making false claims about it being the best thing since sliced bread Never met a blue I didn't like, First time for everything GTFO.
Moose Balzak	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:20:00 - [29] Can't wait to hear how this one goes. Probaby just fine for annoying follks in C1-3 hole, but good luck with anything higher. If peeps there or the sleepers get a point and a web on you, your done. All the interdiction nulifier is going to do is make you immune to bubbles.
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:21:00 - [30] Originally by: Moose Balzak Can't wait to hear how this one goes. Probaby just fine for annoying follks in C1-3 hole, but good luck with anything higher. If peeps there or the sleepers get a point and a web on you, your done. All the interdiction nulifier is going to do is make you immune to bubbles. Its not for wormholes.

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