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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.07.03 12:46:00 -
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At some point in the recent-ish past...I had created an alt for the express purpose of offering ransoms and killing new folks (the lowsec I patrolled was about two jumps from a starter system..so you'd get an awful lot of new folks blundering into lowsec for the big 175k bounty rats)
It would usually be their first PVP experience, as well as their first ransom experience. So I'd try to make it special. The script went along the lines of:
Yarrrr! <insert victim's name here>. Heave to and turn your guns and <shield booster/armor repairer> off. (That's <control-space> to stop your ship)
Welcome to the <system name elided> ransom service. For the low low price of <insert half ship value here> I'll let you go.
And then wait for the response...usually you have to walk the new person through how to give isk. Some advice on how to avoid folks like me..etc.
On any attitude, you blow them up, explain *why* you blew them up..that they could have avoided it by being polite and paying.
If more folks would do that in lowsec... Well..it would be more amusing at least.
RIP: Angela Goethrella....She made getting ransomed enjoyable. --
Originally by: "RedSplat" You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.07.03 13:55:00 -
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I'm waiting for Lana to try and ransom me so I can develop a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome.
--Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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Harrigan VonStudly
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.07.03 14:04:00 -
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I suppose the decision to honor or dishonor a ransom comes down to ones "profession" in Eve. If you're a die hard pirate I would think honoring them would be in your best interest. Honoring them has a much better chance that the target will pay again in the future be it to you again or others. Not honoring them is going to make them not pay ever again. There's carebear posts all over these here forums warning others not to pay ransoms.
People are creatures of habit and I think that means there are better than average chances you may encounter them again. Where as dishonoring them could lead to shooting yourself in the foot, so to speak. And those honorable pirates out there hate pirates who dishonor ransoms for the very reason above. It's bad for future business. And may also lead to "this will be dealt with" for those who dishonor.
I suggest Lana, that you keep at it and don't give up. It may be frustrating but... What if that guy you just blew up in his uber fit ship would have paid huge and the opportunity was missed because of "**** it just kill him cuz I'm too arsed to be bothered to ransom anymore"?
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Crazy Tasty
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:36:00 -
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Quote: I've recently been attempting to ransom players before we pop their ships, and its not been going well. 50% of people will outright refuse the convo, 50% of whats left will close convo as soon as you ransom them and everyone else has said no or tried to negotiate for a lower price (im not going to negotiate or delay long enough for them to get friends).
Thats not a reason at all, but typical statistics for ransoms. Negotiation, done quickly, is part of the deal. If you don't like people saying no half the time, or trying to negotiate some of the other (nothing says you have to take a lower offer), then don't even bother ransoming.
I will say this, 99% of the time, the ransom will be worth more than their ****ty loot drop. You need to ransom more to hit the big scores also, we've ransomed capitals for billions and even had one eject on us, we've also paid people in faction ships a little isk to eject (ship + mods being worth much more). Further, being in a reputable corp will probably make your percentages go up. ------ // This is by design. When a ship jumps through a gate, it clears all aggression. // - BH ******** Pew on gate, if it gets hot, jump through and Ctrl-Q. Game mechanic endorsed by CCP. |
Jimmy Duce
Shards of Apathy
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: The'Best Hellfury For the most part, if people ask for a ransom, I'll generally offer them one and honour it. Generally speaking though, I never offer them myself because I'm playing Killmails-Online.
Confirming that this is a stupid game and u should really try wormhole extreme. I heard it acem ojut in Decembte.
CCP, un nerf Jimmy else threadnaught begins... Entire corps fail... warning last cause improtant
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Xikorita
Saiyans United
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Posted - 2009.07.03 18:09:00 -
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Well, the first time I shoot a can flipper in my lv3 with my drake he returned on HIS drake to add insult to injury. He convoed me and ransomed for 100 millions. I had something like 15 mil and said so =(, expecting to be blown to bits. The guy said ALRIGHT and when I gave the money he actually disengaged.
Talking about that with my friends from other games, they told me they would have shoot the CRAP out of me, heh.
He was even polite, he said a fly safe and I learned a valuable lesson ;)
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Rock urSocksoff
Incura
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Posted - 2009.07.04 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: sp3cial forc3s Am i missing something here?
I take it you ransom every single one of your targets and let them go wether they pay or not because battleclinic says you have never killed a ship or pod in your eve history.
You're an idiot.
Originally by: Saluss Its a bad world in EvE and everyone wants your Retail shuttle.
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Jimmy Duce
Shards of Apathy
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Posted - 2009.07.04 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Xikorita Well, the first time I shoot a can flipper in my lv3 with my drake he returned on HIS drake to add insult to injury. He convoed me and ransomed for 100 millions. I had something like 15 mil and said so =(, expecting to be blown to bits. The guy said ALRIGHT and when I gave the money he actually disengaged.
Talking about that with my friends from other games, they told me they would have shoot the CRAP out of me, heh.
He was even polite, he said a fly safe and I learned a valuable lesson ;)
"Pirates" under ransome carebears don't [real deep like 9 levels]
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Cat Molina
Minmatar Intransigent
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Posted - 2009.07.04 02:50:00 -
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No one ever ransoms me.
MAKE ME AN OFFER!!!
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Mach 1
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Posted - 2009.07.04 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: Lana Hellfury
Originally by: Darth Skorpius the next time someone tries to ransom me, im gonna be a real smartass and offer them 0.01 isk less than what they are after
Try that on me and i'll pod you on principal..
But would you pod me on interest? ;)
No but I will on equity
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.07.04 05:21:00 -
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I guess people don't honor them if they've been blown up in the past after paying a ransom. That happened to me once...and after that I would never pay a ransom unless it was a known pirate corp.
Then again, I don't put myself into a position where I could be held down by a pirate and ransomed (again anyway).
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Buil't2'r
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Posted - 2009.07.04 05:32:00 -
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LOL epic...A bunch of pirates talking of honour or actually doing anything they say too funny...If you pay a ransom your an idiot and deserved to get pop'd. Rule# 1 Never fly anything you cant afford to lose. damn bored pirates talking in their forums go scam somewhere or something perhaps you can scam the idea that any real mercs exist. To think someone would honor a deal that pops miners to kb hoard. Thanks for the laugh.
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Rock urSocksoff
Incura
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Posted - 2009.07.04 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Buil't2'r LOL epic...A bunch of pirates talking of honour or actually doing anything they say too funny...If you pay a ransom your an idiot and deserved to get pop'd. Rule# 1 Never fly anything you cant afford to lose. damn bored pirates talking in their forums go scam somewhere or something perhaps you can scam the idea that any real mercs exist. To think someone would honor a deal that pops miners to kb hoard. Thanks for the laugh.
u mad?
Originally by: Saluss Its a bad world in EvE and everyone wants your Retail shuttle.
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Rock urSocksoff
Incura
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Posted - 2009.07.04 05:54:00 -
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yeah, u mad~
Originally by: Saluss Its a bad world in EvE and everyone wants your Retail shuttle.
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sp3cial forc3s
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.07.04 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rock urSocksoff
Originally by: sp3cial forc3s Am i missing something here?
I take it you ransom every single one of your targets and let them go wether they pay or not because battleclinic says you have never killed a ship or pod in your eve history.
You're an idiot.
I'm just stating facts.
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Lana Hellfury
Minmatar Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.07.04 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: sp3cial forc3s
Originally by: Rock urSocksoff
Originally by: sp3cial forc3s Am i missing something here?
I take it you ransom every single one of your targets and let them go wether they pay or not because battleclinic says you have never killed a ship or pod in your eve history.
You're an idiot.
I'm just stating facts.
So was rock
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Kaaii
Caldari KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.04 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Hellfury
Originally by: Darth Skorpius the next time someone tries to ransom me, im gonna be a real smartass and offer them 0.01 isk less than what they are after
Try that on me and i'll pod you on principal..
You have a long way to go, to be on the same ego level as Ginger Magician...keep posting.
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
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DavesTheName
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Posted - 2009.07.04 11:12:00 -
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Because 9/10 people who play EVE aren't very nice, so there's a 90% chance you're going to pay your ransom and then get killed anyway. Statistically, refusing ransom and preferring instead to have your ship blown up makes perfect sense.
The people who don't honour ransoms made it this way, so you can't come here whining that people won't pay your ransoms when in the same paragraph you admit you were going to take their ransom money and kill them anyway.
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Tobarg Shh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.04 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: sp3cial forc3s
Originally by: Rock urSocksoff
Originally by: sp3cial forc3s Am i missing something here?
I take it you ransom every single one of your targets and let them go wether they pay or not because battleclinic says you have never killed a ship or pod in your eve history.
You're an idiot.
I'm just stating facts.
Awww how cute, Special Forces :D Although, when your mom called you special, she thought of a different kind of special.
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Enden Assulu
Caldari Blood Money Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.04 11:40:00 -
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Interesting to see people's views on ransoms, some people do reject the offer and will fill our ransom channel full of hate, others pay.
Click the image! |
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Dapto
Minmatar Dissolution Of Eternity Event Horizon.
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Posted - 2009.07.04 12:07:00 -
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The rule is Never Ever pay ransom as 90% of the time a pirate will kill you anyway so its a no win situation no matter how you look at it. Dapto |
Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.07.04 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dapto The rule is Never Ever pay ransom as 90% of the time a pirate will kill you anyway so its a no win situation no matter how you look at it.
And how much experience do you have of being ransomed?
from your statistics its got to be at least 10 times and you must have paid to know those figures..... otherwise your just speculating and spreading rumours. GG
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Rock urSocksoff
Incura
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Posted - 2009.07.04 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Dapto The rule is Never Ever pay ransom as 90% of the time a pirate will kill you anyway so its a no win situation no matter how you look at it.
And how much experience do you have of being ransomed?
from your statistics its got to be at least 10 times and you must have paid to know those figures..... otherwise your just speculating and spreading rumours. GG
Best Spank post ever tbqh.
Originally by: Saluss Its a bad world in EvE and everyone wants your Retail shuttle.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.07.04 12:57:00 -
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I have my moments.
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Taunting Yu
Gallente The NightClub
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Posted - 2009.07.04 13:00:00 -
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Ok, maybe this is something that needs to be added into the game and posted with kb information. It goes something like this:
Pirate A tackles Hapless Ratter B. Pirate A offers ransom of ship value. There is now an official means of tracking this via "Some New Interface" and even a special entry in the wallet as well as being exportable to killboards (or some other API information that can be extracted). If HR B accepts or declines the ransom, it gets posted for posterity. If Pirate A decides to renege, this also gets recorded. We can all now see who is 'honorable' and who isn't. It would even be a good way of tracking how much more profitable ransoming is than just ganking the target. (Course, it's never as profitable as backstabbing the target, but short term gains usually don't make long-term profits.)
Hey, this could even add new aspects of e-peen waving to the game.
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Lana Hellfury
Minmatar Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.07.04 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank I have my moments.
You don't log in so i can test my ransom theories though.
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Rock urSocksoff
Incura
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Posted - 2009.07.04 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Hellfury
Originally by: Lady Spank I have my moments.
You don't log in so i can test my ransom theories though.
In all fairness Spank was logged in all night asking (me) where the hell you were. I was kinda wondering myself
Originally by: Saluss Its a bad world in EvE and everyone wants your Retail shuttle.
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Great Artista
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.04 13:55:00 -
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Hello,
In my experience, people do pay ransoms if you convince them to do so. Its a way to combine social engineering with existing fame/notoriety of oneself, or more precisicely in my case; the fame of the corporation.
People rarely outright reject convos, at least thats how it is on my case. Perhaps every 1/20 rejects the convo without saying a word. Some do ignore you when they accept convo, sure, but majority are interested in saving their ship or pod. Every now and then, people actually pay extra because I'm friendly and polite in the convos.
Most of the people I ransom are at belts or anomalies. New players. But some do know Veto and its reputation for honouring ransoms, this helps so much that it is really worth keeping up the image.
And yes, you can make a living solely from ransoming. ____ Rockets need a boost. CCP status: [_] Told. [x] Not told.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.07.04 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Rock urSocksoff
Originally by: Lana Hellfury
Originally by: Lady Spank I have my moments.
You don't log in so i can test my ransom theories though.
In all fairness Spank was logged in all night asking (me) where the hell you were. I was kinda wondering myself
This, plus I station camped you in Vylade before downtime ♥
I'm having a 4th July barbecue despite being British but I'll most likely be on later ^ _^
I still don't know how to counter pesky rifters ^_ ^
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Gallente Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.07.04 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mach 1
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: Lana Hellfury
Originally by: Darth Skorpius the next time someone tries to ransom me, im gonna be a real smartass and offer them 0.01 isk less than what they are after
Try that on me and i'll pod you on principal..
But would you pod me on interest? ;)
No but I will on equity
can i put it on my card? -------------------------
Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux GREAT CHINESE WALL OF TEXT
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