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Worstofbest	Posted - 2009.07.03 17:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Grek Forto Originally by: Worstofbest Originally by: Super Whopper Originally by: Madam Scarlette a happy prisoner is one who isn't scared to go back to prison. if you punch your brother in the arm and are told to stand in the corner your mom doesn't also give you an ice cream sandwich while you stand there. What would the point be? Prison is heaven, no wonder people commit crimes just to get in. Who wouldn't want to be in an amusement park, where you can do what you want, when you want and where you want. Then you can have your kids and family move in and live this great life of luxoury with them, after all prison is great!! Or maybe people do things wrong for a reason. Prisons are full of people from deprived area's and 'minorities' who just don't have the same opportunities that non-minorities have. But let's forget that and just punish them because when they come out of prison they fear it so much and have learned so much from all the punishment they can actually do something. I mean it's not like the best place to learn how to become a harndened criminal isn't actually a prison. Stop spamming mindless drivel and learn a little about the world. So is this why there are so many reoffenders? You can't seriously think that people return to a life of crime just to get into prison again. They might have nice food (at least in my country) and recreational things. But it also takes away your "FREEDOM". You know that thing many fight wars over. I'm not saying people break the law again just to get in prison, it's just that they don't care and go right back into the life of crime or whatever because they never made something for themselves in prison. That's what this project and many others are for. what about the small prison that's on an island that has no walls at all, it's just prisoners living in regular homes and being self sufficient for their punishment, working hard to keep themselves afloat. I think I may have used the wrong comment to the one quote.
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.03 17:27:00 - [32] Originally by: LordSwift But its prison, they shouldnt have pool tables, restuarants and gyms. They have commit crimes why should they live in luxery and get all the things we get out of prison. why not ? the society made rules and this rules put them in a place and took the freedom away they should have similar live conditions except freedom EvE FTW
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.03 17:32:00 - [33] If people prefer life inside prison, it is the way that they're treated by their country outside of prison that is the problem. And to finish, thank you for reading my sig -------------------------------------------------- If you are still reading i would probably hav posted by now
KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2009.07.03 19:49:00 - [34] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros sighs The goal of a prison should be to rehabilitate as well as to punish. As you can see from the article, this resturant is not for the inmates and they do not eat the food. It acts as a training facility and aims to teach people new skills and give them a sense of purpose, so that once they finish the punishment part of their sentence and leave jail, they will hopefully be rehabilitated and be less likely to re-offend. I see nothing wrong with it to be honest. I couldn't have said it better (including the sigh) Prisoners are not being invited to dine at a classy restaurant, but to work there. Giving them new skills means that there's a possibility to re-enter society in the future once they've been punished and served their sentence. This article does not say "Mass murderers and rapists get gourmet food at tax payers expense". The "one strike you're out" rule will ensure the only ones with the opportunity to learn are taking it seriously. And to offer no forms of exercise or recreation in prison would be quite evil. I don't deny that these folks are criminals and are put there for a reason, but I'm fairly positive these places aren't quite so welcoming as a Butlins or what have you. They're locked up for our protection and their punishment but...human beings would go clinically insane without any stimulus and the body would deteriorate without exercise. Perhaps in 3rd world places this stuff doesn't matter but I think in the developed nations we're above that kinda thing. Not to mention it's probably cheaper to support healthy inmate populations than unhealthy ones. And anyway, considering the 32 degree weather, can anyone imagine something worse than being stuffed into a hot kitchen for several hours?
annoing Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.07.04 01:26:00 - [35] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: LordSwift This really winds me up Prisons should be feared and involve hard labour and have nothing fun in. I hate this country. No wonder crime is on the up Yes, of course Mr ***ens. sighs* The goal of a prison should be to rehabilitate as well as to punish. As you can see from the article, this resturant is not for the inmates and they do not eat the food. It acts as a training facility and aims to teach people new skills and give them a sense of purpose, so that once they finish the punishment part of their sentence and leave jail, they will hopefully be rehabilitated and be less likely to re-offend. I see nothing wrong with it to be honest. /signed Ask to use the Goats Pleasure Palace when you visit the Fanfest this year
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.07.04 01:49:00 - [36] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: LordSwift This really winds me up Prisons should be feared and involve hard labour and have nothing fun in. I hate this country. No wonder crime is on the up Yes, of course Mr ***ens. sighs* The goal of a prison should be to rehabilitate as well as to punish. And in the US, prisons should also generate a profit since they're sometimes run by corporations... How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.07.04 04:24:00 - [37] I live in low income neighborhoods and make meager wages while going to the same dead end job day to day while these guys wine n dine now? ** it, I'm robbing a bank, who's with me? Originally by:** Whitehound If I think, but I do not.
Seroquel	Posted - 2009.07.04 04:43:00 - [38] I suggest you try setting up a foreign exchange program for prisoners. I would like to nominate my state, Texas, for those foreign exchange prisoners interested in self-edification abroad in the higher criminal arts. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.04 07:33:00 - [39] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: LordSwift This really winds me up Prisons should be feared and involve hard labour and have nothing fun in. I hate this country. No wonder crime is on the up Yes, of course Mr ***ens. sighs* The goal of a prison should be to rehabilitate as well as to punish. And in the US, prisons should also generate a profit since they're sometimes run by corporations... The best part is the judges who take kickbacks for sentencing children to custodial sentences at facilities run by such corporations.
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei	Posted - 2009.07.04 08:17:00 - [40] Originally by: THE L0CK I live in low income neighborhoods and make meager wages while going to the same dead end job day to day while these guys wine n dine now? ** it, I'm robbing a bank, who's with me? Perhaps you should carefully re-read what is written in the Article. Quote:** Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.07.04 08:21:00 - [41] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Originally by: THE L0CK I live in low income neighborhoods and make meager wages while going to the same dead end job day to day while these guys wine n dine now? ** it, I'm robbing a bank, who's with me? Perhaps you should carefully re-read what is written in the Article. That they work there. Yeah I read that. You ever hear of sticky finger syndrome? Originally by:** Whitehound If I think, but I do not.
Shirley Serious Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra	Posted - 2009.07.04 08:38:00 - [42] its a pretty bad state of affairs if prisons offer more education and training opportunities to people than the outside world does. Yes. Yes, I am.
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei	Posted - 2009.07.04 08:45:00 - [43] Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 04/07/2009 08:45:38 Originally by: THE L0CK Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Originally by: THE L0CK I live in low income neighborhoods and make meager wages while going to the same dead end job day to day while these guys wine n dine now? ** it, I'm robbing a bank, who's with me? Perhaps you should carefully re-read what is written in the Article. That they work there. Yeah I read that. You ever hear of sticky finger syndrome? Sure, but I would guess that they are searched before the Prisoners return to the Cells, just to prevent that they are smuggling food or Alcohol into their Cells. This does not prevent, that they might taste some of the food during the cooking process, I will not bother raging about that. Working for hours in a hot kitchen is not an easy job and as others have also said, the Prisoners aquire Skills during this work, that might turn them away from a live of crime. On the long run this does more for the security of the country and is cheaper then just keeping prisoners in their Cells all day. Quote:** Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
Fi Vantage Minmatar Kha'rific-Mintor Outriders.	Posted - 2009.07.04 08:51:00 - [44] Cheap labour in prisons, I hear. Also, you can't scare people back onto the right path if you don't show them how to get there.
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.07.04 08:55:00 - [45] Edited by: THE L0CK on 04/07/2009 08:57:12 Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Sure, but I would guess that they are searched before the Prisoners return to the Cells, just to prevent that they are smuggling food or Alcohol into their Cells. This does not prevent, that they might taste some of the food during the cooking process, I will not bother raging about that. Hmmm yeah and that has done wonders for catching all the shanks, drugs, cigarettes, and money. And you may talk about the fact that food is cooked and would smell but prisoners are quite adapt to having a bbq from their toilet (Don't ask me how I know that). Le Example: Originally by: the article Wine in this cooler is only offered on special occasions, in carefully monitored volumes, while baking is problematic because yeast could be used for brewing alcohol if it somehow found its way into the cells. Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Working for hours in a hot kitchen is not an easy job and as others have also said, the Prisoners aquire Skills during this work, that might turn them away from a live of crime. They have the ability now to get their GED and college grade trade skills now and they have had this since the 70's. So I wonder why we still have repeat offenders? Things that make you go hmmm. Originally by: Deviana Sevidon On the long run this does more for the security of the country and is cheaper then just keeping prisoners in their Cells all day. This means ** all for security with the exception that a waiter has the chance to shank you now if you don't tip and we pay the same amount in taxes regardless if they are sitting, ting, sleeping, eating, playing in the yard, or doing something constructive. Originally by:** Whitehound If I think, but I do not.
Johnny Santos Beginning of the End	Posted - 2009.07.05 11:34:00 - [46] OP: theres hope!!! Joe Arpaio Look him up and you will see hes done alot lol
Uncle Suas	Posted - 2009.07.05 12:27:00 - [47] The UK is a joke now. Everyone comes round and ask a mansion to be paid for by us, the tax payers, then also on top of that get up to 300 quid a week on benefits while they sit their arse all days and procreate at a rate faster than bunnies on viagra. Jesus F. Christ! ______________________________________________ "I wake up to the sound of music, Uncle Suas sings to me. Drunken words of wisdom, let it bee."
hired goon	Posted - 2009.07.05 12:57:00 - [48] Originally by: THE L0CK Edited by: THE L0CK on 04/07/2009 08:57:12 They have the ability now to get their GED and college grade trade skills now and they have had this since the 70's. So I wonder why we still have repeat offenders? Things that make you go hmmm. The repeat offenders come from the prisons without high class resturaunts in them! :D -omg-
Kyanzes Amarr Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.07.05 13:30:00 - [49] I could kill for a steak! --------------------------------------------- Unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.07.05 15:06:00 - [50] Originally by: Uncle Suas The UK is a joke now. Everyone comes round and ask a mansion to be paid for by us, the tax payers, then also on top of that get up to 300 quid a week on benefits while they sit their arse all days and procreate at a rate faster than bunnies on viagra. Jesus F. Christ! Have you ever actually been on benefits? I have on several occasions and I can promise you that no single person gets "up to" 300 quid a week. The actual cash figure is somewhere in the region of 48.50 a week or thereabouts, and that is to pay for food and bills. It's not joke living on benefits and it's not easy - I've been there and done that.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.07.05 15:18:00 - [51] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Uncle Suas The UK is a joke now. Everyone comes round and ask a mansion to be paid for by us, the tax payers, then also on top of that get up to 300 quid a week on benefits while they sit their arse all days and procreate at a rate faster than bunnies on viagra. Jesus F. Christ! Have you ever actually been on benefits? I have on several occasions and I can promise you that no single person gets "up to" 300 quid a week. The actual cash figure is somewhere in the region of 48.50 a week or thereabouts, and that is to pay for food and bills. It's not joke living on benefits and it's not easy - I've been there and done that. Benefits sit right now at ú96 a fortnight, though there is extra for certain circumstances, but those usually drain more money than the extra benefits you get, and it certainly never reaches 300 quid a week. More like 150-160 quid a fortnight. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Anyura	Posted - 2009.07.05 15:38:00 - [52] Sorry, I seem to have misclicked a link and wandered onto the Daily Mail forums. Can anyone show me where the OOPE section has gone to?
Krystal Vernet Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.07.05 17:18:00 - [53] If it's just training, that works. There are people that will intentionally try to go to prison because it offers the basics we need for free (to them): shelter, security, food / water. Give these people skills that the labor force needs so that they can get themselves a job, and that should help some. There's also the whole thing about convictions really negatively affecting your chances at getting even some basic jobs, though, which doesn't help much either.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.07.06 08:26:00 - [54] Originally by: Krystal Vernet If it's just training, that works. There are people that will intentionally try to go to prison because it offers the basics we need for free (to them): shelter, security, food / water. Funny how the Army also offers these yet we have an Armed Forces recruitment crisis. Do I see a novel sentencing approach here? :)
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.06 09:14:00 - [55] Originally by: Uncle Suas The UK is a joke now. Everyone comes round and ask a mansion to be paid for by us, the tax payers, then also on top of that get up to 300 quid a week on benefits while they sit their arse all days and procreate at a rate faster than bunnies on viagra. Jesus F. Christ! I challenge you to get ú300/week in benefits.
Uncle Suas	Posted - 2009.07.06 10:06:00 - [56] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Uncle Suas The UK is a joke now. Everyone comes round and ask a mansion to be paid for by us, the tax payers, then also on top of that get up to 300 quid a week on benefits while they sit their arse all days and procreate at a rate faster than bunnies on viagra. Jesus F. Christ! I challenge you to get ú300/week in benefits. I said UP TO ú300 a week. Sure some get close to that and the vast majority gets around 60ish. Perhaps you ought to speak with a nigerian lawyer in learning a few tips and strategies. Sad but true mate. I am all for supporting people, but when I see that there are some just leeching the system and every single month pulling my pants down and lubing my arse, I get freaked out. (the pants, arse and lube are an analogy lol) This crisis is hitting everyone hard. ______________________________________________ "I wake up to the sound of music, Uncle Suas sings to me. Drunken words of wisdom, let it bee."
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.07.06 11:53:00 - [57] Originally by: Uncle Suas I said UP TO ú300 a week. Sure some get close to that and the vast majority gets around 60ish. Perhaps you ought to speak with a nigerian lawyer in learning a few tips and strategies. Sad but true mate. I don't believe you. Please cite a reference for this and give an example of how a single person can claim up to ú300 per week.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.06 13:21:00 - [58] Originally by: Uncle Suas I challenge you to get ú300/week in benefits. I said UP TO ú300 a week. Sure some get close to that and the vast majority gets around 60ish. Your exact words: "The UK is a joke now. Everyone comes round and ask a mansion to be paid for by us, the tax payers, then also on top of that get up to 300 quid a week on benefits while they sit their arse all days and procreate at a rate faster than bunnies on viagra." Here's a thought: stop getting your opnions from the Sun (which is owned by a tax-dodging immigrant, by the way)
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.07.06 13:38:00 - [59] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Uncle Suas I challenge you to get ú300/week in benefits. I said UP TO ú300 a week. Sure some get close to that and the vast majority gets around 60ish. Your exact words: "The UK is a joke now. Everyone comes round and ask a mansion to be paid for by us, the tax payers, then also on top of that get up to 300 quid a week on benefits while they sit their arse all days and procreate at a rate faster than bunnies on viagra." Here's a thought: stop getting your opnions from the Sun (which is owned by a tax-dodging immigrant, by the way) but yarr son the sun is full of patriot peoplez they wouldnts lie to us. The Sun is like a written version of Fox News.
Concubinia Scarlett	Posted - 2009.07.06 15:11:00 - [60] They have computers and broadband internet access in these prisons too y'know..... So basicaly if someone so wished they could go and beat a random tourist to death with their left shoe and get locked up for a long stretch. This would enable them to workout in the gym/play pool/play computer games (EVE?) for hours on end every day, with regular meals cooked to a high standard, no shopping runs, no ironing, in fact no housework at all, no bills to pay, free healthcare, free higher education, no taxes.... I could go on. Eventualy these people get released from prison and some find themselves jobless, friendless and bootless on the streets. I wonder why so many people re-offend?

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