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LordSwift
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Posted - 2009.07.03 14:14:00 -
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This really winds me up
Prisons should be feared and involve hard labour and have nothing fun in. I hate this country. No wonder crime is on the up
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.03 14:30:00 -
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Prison workers are cheap. I am more interested in how the person investing into the Restaurant project is practically having the Government pay for the labor cost.
On a plus side, if some of the Prisoners aquire decent Job Skills during their work, they are less likely to become criminal again, when their sentence is over.
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2009.07.03 14:31:00 -
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You're right - why should we rehabilitate people? Far better to make sure they re-offend again, so we can punish them - at enormous expense - again. Man, I love paying taxes for that.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.07.03 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Prison workers are cheap. I am more interested in how the person investing into the Restaurant project is practically having the Government pay for the labor cost.
On a plus side, if some of the Prisoners aquire decent Job Skills during their work, they are less likely to become criminal again, when their sentence is over.
I agree with the second bit, this can inspire them to take up an actual job.
However, they shouldn't be paid or rewarded for doing this at all.
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Madam Scarlette
Caldari
Knights of Destruction
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Posted - 2009.07.03 14:37:00 -
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GJ Brits, whats next? 401Ks and valet parking?
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.07.03 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Madam Scarlette
GJ Brits, whats next? 401Ks and valet parking?
Actually we were thinking of wide-screen cinemas and free blowjobs.
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Nisshoku
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Posted - 2009.07.03 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Madam Scarlette
GJ Brits, whats next? 401Ks and valet parking?
Actually we were thinking of wide-screen cinemas and free blowjobs.
We already have both of those in the same facility.
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Benco97
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.03 15:09:00 -
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I don't see the problem myself, Perhaps the setup costs were a little high as is the intended market but the idea of giving a prisoner some skills and maybe even some pride in those skills, is ultimately a good thing. The article didn't really mention what sort of vetting process the inmates must pass in order to "work" there but I would assume that there are certain restrictions depending upon the mental state and prior convictions of the person.
If you have a prisoner and you make him break rocks he's not going to learn anything, if you have a prisoner and you have him learn a trade-skill like plumbing or carpentry then you're giving them an opportunity to improve themselves.
HOWEVER, I also believe that certain crimes do not warrant such mercy but I'll not go into that, for the majority of inmates a skill will only do them good.
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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LordSwift
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.03 15:15:00 -
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But its prison, they shouldnt have pool tables, restuarants and gyms. They have commit crimes why should they live in luxery and get all the things we get out of prison.
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Posted - 2009.07.03 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: SEN 5243 on 03/07/2009 15:25:09
what slade below said
middle way neither extreme
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.03 15:23:00 -
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First off, at least in the states, there are way to many people in prison that should not be there.
Second, some luxuries may be a little over the top, but the other end of the spectrum (hard menial labor and/or solitary confinement) produces individuals with grudges and social impairments, which is not good for recidivism rates.
Thirdly, it is never bad to give inmates the opportunity to learn new skills and hopefully teach them better ways to be functioning members of society.
The penal system is not supposed to be institutionalized slavery; the tricky part is finding the balance.
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
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Shirley Serious
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.07.03 15:38:00 -
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The idea of a high-quality prison restaurant was cooked up by High Down catering manager Alberto Crisci - formerly a chef at Mirabelle in London's Mayfair, which was once owned by Marco Pierre White.
The Prison Service put up ú300,000 and Mr Crisci invested his own money too in getting the project off the ground. Prison governor Peter Dawson describes it as 'an inspirational project'.
The aim is to rehabilitate the prisoners by giving them skills, a sense of purpose - and discipline worthy of the chefs who compete on TV's Hell's Kitchen.
Mr Crisci told the Daily Mirror: 'Prisoners only have to step out of line once and they are out. This is a real restaurant. I expect them to do exactly what I ask them to do.'
That's from the article.
Skills, a sense of purpose, and discipline are what many prisoners lack, which is largely the reason why they're in prison.
If you can sort that out, then they might not repeat offend.
Prisons are full of unskilled people who answer questions like "Why did you get involved with gangs? - I dunno, was something to do" and "Why did you knife your girlfriend? - dunno, just lost it i think"
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Posted - 2009.07.03 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jaroslav Hasek on 03/07/2009 15:39:46
Originally by: LordSwift
This really winds me up
Prisons should be feared and involve hard labour and have nothing fun in. I hate this country. No wonder crime is on the up
You're an idiot. Did you even bother to read the article? there's nothing fun about working in a restaurant.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.07.03 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: LordSwift
But its prison, they shouldnt have pool tables, restuarants and gyms. They have commit crimes why should they live in luxery and get all the things we get out of prison.
Not sure about the first, but secondly, the restaurant is for them TO WORK AT, and a gym? they have to keep fit and exercise, that is healthy. Whether you think they should have the opportunity to work and learn new skills and stay fit is up to you.
But from the sounds of it, like the people who commented in the link, you didn't actually read the article.
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Worstofbest
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:08:00 -
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It's something for prisoners to do. If they have nothing to do, then they knife fellow prisoners, do drugs taht is snuck into the prisons and then sold, and listen to gang leaders. Take for example this prison, after they started their dancing, it has become a very happy place for the prisoners and the warden.
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Benco97
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: LordSwift
But its prison, they shouldnt have pool tables
Recreation is part of a healthy lifestyle. Prison takes away a portion of your life, it's not designed to take away a portion of your health.
Originally by: LordSwift
restuarants
The restaurant in question wasn't FOR the inmates, it was staffed BY the inmates. Challenging work that keeps the mind active and enhances a persons skills.
Originally by: LordSwift
and gyms.
Admittedly they shouldn't have all the latest gym equipment but again it comes down to maintaining health. Gyms and exercise yards should be maintained and have good strong equipment but not the latest in gadgets.
Being in prison is punishment but it is also an opportunity to perhaps make decent people out of the inmates.
Keeping everyone in a box with no light and piping in gruel twice a week doesn't help anyone (Though it would be cheaper )
Originally by: P'uck
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Madam Scarlette
Caldari
Knights of Destruction
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Worstofbest
It's something for prisoners to do. If they have nothing to do, then they knife fellow prisoners, do drugs taht is snuck into the prisons and then sold, and listen to gang leaders. Take for example this prison, after they started their dancing, it has become a very happy place for the prisoners and the warden.
WHY the hell should PRISONERS have something to do?! Yea they are knifing each other, so what?! If you can't live by societies rules then maybe you deserve a shank to the gut. Drugs are done and sold either way, be it in the street or in prison so what difference does that make?
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Worstofbest
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Madam Scarlette
Originally by: Worstofbest
It's something for prisoners to do. If they have nothing to do, then they knife fellow prisoners, do drugs taht is snuck into the prisons and then sold, and listen to gang leaders. Take for example this prison, after they started their dancing, it has become a very happy place for the prisoners and the warden.
WHY the hell should PRISONERS have something to do?! Yea they are knifing each other, so what?! If you can't live by societies rules then maybe you deserve a shank to the gut. Drugs are done and sold either way, be it in the street or in prison so what difference does that make?
I really hope this is a troll or a joke.
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Madam Scarlette
Caldari
Knights of Destruction
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Worstofbest
Originally by: Madam Scarlette
Originally by: Worstofbest
It's something for prisoners to do. If they have nothing to do, then they knife fellow prisoners, do drugs taht is snuck into the prisons and then sold, and listen to gang leaders. Take for example this prison, after they started their dancing, it has become a very happy place for the prisoners and the warden.
WHY the hell should PRISONERS have something to do?! Yea they are knifing each other, so what?! If you can't live by societies rules then maybe you deserve a shank to the gut. Drugs are done and sold either way, be it in the street or in prison so what difference does that make?
I really hope this is a troll or a joke.
no. but opinions are opinions, no need to get into an argument about it.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Madam Scarlette
Originally by: Worstofbest
Originally by: Madam Scarlette
Originally by: Worstofbest
It's something for prisoners to do. If they have nothing to do, then they knife fellow prisoners, do drugs taht is snuck into the prisons and then sold, and listen to gang leaders. Take for example this prison, after they started their dancing, it has become a very happy place for the prisoners and the warden.
WHY the hell should PRISONERS have something to do?! Yea they are knifing each other, so what?! If you can't live by societies rules then maybe you deserve a shank to the gut. Drugs are done and sold either way, be it in the street or in prison so what difference does that make?
I really hope this is a troll or a joke.
no. but opinions are opinions, no need to get into an argument about it.
I think that's the whole point of the thread is to have an argument on wether it is right or not. And I think it's great. I rather have prisoners live and come out better people than come out worse than they were before they committed the crime. Please watch the video I linked and see how happy the prisoners have become.
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Madam Scarlette
Caldari
Knights of Destruction
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:31:00 -
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I think that's the whole point of the thread is to have an argument on wether it is right or not. And I think it's great. I rather have prisoners live and come out better people than come out worse than they were before they committed the crime. Please watch the video I linked and see how happy the prisoners have become.
a happy prisoner is one who isn't scared to go back to prison. if you punch your brother in the arm and are told to stand in the corner your mom doesn't also give you an ice cream sandwich while you stand there. What would the point be?
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Madam Scarlette
Originally by: Worstofbest
Originally by: Madam Scarlette
Originally by: Worstofbest
It's something for prisoners to do. If they have nothing to do, then they knife fellow prisoners, do drugs taht is snuck into the prisons and then sold, and listen to gang leaders. Take for example this prison, after they started their dancing, it has become a very happy place for the prisoners and the warden.
WHY the hell should PRISONERS have something to do?! Yea they are knifing each other, so what?! If you can't live by societies rules then maybe you deserve a shank to the gut. Drugs are done and sold either way, be it in the street or in prison so what difference does that make?
I really hope this is a troll or a joke.
no. but opinions are opinions, no need to get into an argument about it.
The point of prisons are not just to punish the inmates via a horrible time in a cell, they're also being pushed to help rehabilitate inmates to start fresh in society, let's face it, you could have someone sent to prison, hand him a pick-axe and make him smash stones for five years on bread and water. The result? When he comes out he'll be even angrier with society than he was when he went in, and is more likely to commit further crimes out of hatred of other people. Others have only shown him suffering and contempt, why should be suddenly be nice?
On the other hand, if you can teach them that society isn't all just that, they can possibly leave prison with a possible attitude ready to start a new life when they leave. Teaching them a new trade that can lead onto a new career is definitely a good thing.
Granted, it isn't a black and white issue, certain people do not deserve a new chance, but that's an entirely different issue.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Madam Scarlette
I think that's the whole point of the thread is to have an argument on wether it is right or not. And I think it's great. I rather have prisoners live and come out better people than come out worse than they were before they committed the crime. Please watch the video I linked and see how happy the prisoners have become.
a happy prisoner is one who isn't scared to go back to prison. if you punch your brother in the arm and are told to stand in the corner your mom doesn't also give you an ice cream sandwich while you stand there. What would the point be?
Well when you punch your brother in the arm, it isn't because you are troubled in any way, and there is no chance that you are mentally unstable in any sense.
Alternatively when a kid acts up, the parents put him to work.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Madam Scarlette
a happy prisoner is one who isn't scared to go back to prison. if you punch your brother in the arm and are told to stand in the corner your mom doesn't also give you an ice cream sandwich while you stand there. What would the point be?
Prison is heaven, no wonder people commit crimes just to get in. Who wouldn't want to be in an amusement park, where you can do what you want, when you want and where you want. Then you can have your kids and family move in and live this great life of luxoury with them, after all prison is great!!
Or maybe people do things wrong for a reason. Prisons are full of people from deprived area's and 'minorities' who just don't have the same opportunities that non-minorities have. But let's forget that and just punish them because when they come out of prison they fear it so much and have learned so much from all the punishment they can actually do something. I mean it's not like the best place to learn how to become a harndened criminal isn't actually a prison.
Stop spamming mindless drivel and learn a little about the world.
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Madam Scarlette
Caldari
Knights of Destruction
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest
Originally by: Madam Scarlette
I think that's the whole point of the thread is to have an argument on wether it is right or not. And I think it's great. I rather have prisoners live and come out better people than come out worse than they were before they committed the crime. Please watch the video I linked and see how happy the prisoners have become.
a happy prisoner is one who isn't scared to go back to prison. if you punch your brother in the arm and are told to stand in the corner your mom doesn't also give you an ice cream sandwich while you stand there. What would the point be?
Well when you punch your brother in the arm, it isn't because you are troubled in any way...
well...you could be...
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Worstofbest
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Madam Scarlette
a happy prisoner is one who isn't scared to go back to prison. if you punch your brother in the arm and are told to stand in the corner your mom doesn't also give you an ice cream sandwich while you stand there. What would the point be?
Prison is heaven, no wonder people commit crimes just to get in. Who wouldn't want to be in an amusement park, where you can do what you want, when you want and where you want. Then you can have your kids and family move in and live this great life of luxoury with them, after all prison is great!!
Or maybe people do things wrong for a reason. Prisons are full of people from deprived area's and 'minorities' who just don't have the same opportunities that non-minorities have. But let's forget that and just punish them because when they come out of prison they fear it so much and have learned so much from all the punishment they can actually do something. I mean it's not like the best place to learn how to become a harndened criminal isn't actually a prison.
Stop spamming mindless drivel and learn a little about the world.
So is this why there are so many reoffenders?
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Grek Forto
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Worstofbest
Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Madam Scarlette
a happy prisoner is one who isn't scared to go back to prison. if you punch your brother in the arm and are told to stand in the corner your mom doesn't also give you an ice cream sandwich while you stand there. What would the point be?
Prison is heaven, no wonder people commit crimes just to get in. Who wouldn't want to be in an amusement park, where you can do what you want, when you want and where you want. Then you can have your kids and family move in and live this great life of luxoury with them, after all prison is great!!
Or maybe people do things wrong for a reason. Prisons are full of people from deprived area's and 'minorities' who just don't have the same opportunities that non-minorities have. But let's forget that and just punish them because when they come out of prison they fear it so much and have learned so much from all the punishment they can actually do something. I mean it's not like the best place to learn how to become a harndened criminal isn't actually a prison.
Stop spamming mindless drivel and learn a little about the world.
So is this why there are so many reoffenders?
You can't seriously think that people return to a life of crime just to get into prison again. They might have nice food (at least in my country) and recreational things. But it also takes away your "FREEDOM". You know that thing many fight wars over.
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Madam Scarlette
Caldari
Knights of Destruction
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Madam Scarlette
a happy prisoner is one who isn't scared to go back to prison. if you punch your brother in the arm and are told to stand in the corner your mom doesn't also give you an ice cream sandwich while you stand there. What would the point be?
Prison is heaven, no wonder people commit crimes just to get in. Who wouldn't want to be in an amusement park, where you can do what you want, when you want and where you want. Then you can have your kids and family move in and live this great life of luxoury with them, after all prison is great!!
Or maybe people do things wrong for a reason. Prisons are full of people from deprived area's and 'minorities' who just don't have the same opportunities that non-minorities have. But let's forget that and just punish them because when they come out of prison they fear it so much and have learned so much from all the punishment they can actually do something. I mean it's not like the best place to learn how to become a harndened criminal isn't actually a prison.
Stop spamming mindless drivel and learn a little about the world.
Opportunities?
The military is always an option (barring you got a GED or better and have no felonies). This means that anyone who just doesn't break a major law and shows up to 12 years of school can have a decent future (unless you are disabled, sorry). IDK bout other countries other than the US though, so the brits might have it a lil different.
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BlackDragonShadow
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.03 17:08:00 -
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Psssh I'd go there. Rock bottom high class meals. I'm in. I mean seriously that's like one of those once in a life time things. Being able to say you ate at a high class restaurant in a prison. That's a cool story.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.03 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: LordSwift
This really winds me up
Prisons should be feared and involve hard labour and have nothing fun in. I hate this country. No wonder crime is on the up
Yes, of course Mr ****ens.
*sighs*
The goal of a prison should be to rehabilitate as well as to punish.
As you can see from the article, this resturant is not for the inmates and they do not eat the food.
It acts as a training facility and aims to teach people new skills and give them a sense of purpose, so that once they finish the punishment part of their sentence and leave jail, they will hopefully be rehabilitated and be less likely to re-offend.
I see nothing wrong with it to be honest.
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