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RedSplat
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.07.08 11:37:00 -
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Zed, how do you manage to make people so butthurt?
I've never known you to be anything but the soul of courtesy (even when killing idiots in an industrial o'doom ), so i'm pretty mystified...
 Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
it does get progressively longer.
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.07.08 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat
Zed, how do you manage to make people so butthurt?
I've never known you to be anything but the soul of courtesy (even when killing idiots in an industrial o'doom ), so i'm pretty mystified...
Some are gracious in defeat, some in victory, some in both, others in neither.
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Mzr
Gallente
Leverage Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.08 12:16:00 -
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Just wanted to debunk teh twisted stories. Going back to my cave now. 
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ChinaWillGrowLarger
Heretic Command
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Posted - 2009.07.08 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mzr
Just wanted to debunk teh twisted stories. Going back to my cave now.
'Honesetly guys i wasnt getting highly emotional over internet spaceships!'
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Miney Prospector
Caldari
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.07.08 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Miney Prospector on 08/07/2009 13:37:18
Originally by: Mzr
Edited by: Mzr on 08/07/2009 11:42:43
`Eurotrash?` Have some ****en dignity when you lose, learn from your 2003 mate. It's ok for you lot to drop an abaddon on a missioning myrm; but you whine when you're on the receiving end?
Btw.. tell peeps how you warped in late in the engagement (no balls? although you were the ones setting up `the trap`), how you started shooting me (instead of the primary) and how your guardian on grid never repped no-one (can't work dual-screens? or no balls again?).
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Nor Creator or Euan are my alts, but keep trolling that.
Hei Miney, zoom around highsec Placid, I'll introduce you to the `eurotrash` squad. Although I must say I lub your lot, 2008 issue. They're just like you, all **** and vinegar. `Where are the WTs at? Let me at 'em!` 2 days later there you are, with yer blood and guts hanging out, screaming for a goddamn RR. Begging yer mates for help. You dumb ****s don't even know you're dead yet. 
I'll look for you lot in space, I'm sure 450mil is just a pinch to yer missioning wallets.
Just to inject some reality here, cuz that's how I roll.
I don't believe Creator232=Mzr for the simple fact that for the most part Creator kept his mouth shut which as I see now is something Mzr is not capable of. When he lost his Myrm he just said gf and left it at that. *After* they killed the Abaddon, Mzr immediately got a severe case of mouth diarrhea and began talking smack like he had just overcome insurmountable odds and defeated bulimea or something.
As far as whining about you copying our tactics.. well, they say imitation is the best sort of flattery, so thanks. But nobody whined.. maybe that word doesn't mean what you think it means because the only thing that was actually said at the time was to Creator and it was a "well played".
On the final note of warping in late. There was no warping in late. Creator was by himself in a Mega, we both felt kinda bad about the maller'o'bait incident and Tion said he was going to play it straight and 1v1 him. I don't expect you to be able to remember correctly since your grasp on reality seems tenuous at best but nobody was in range or making any moves to interfere.
I'm looking forward to your inane/barely sane and or coherent responses so pls respond soon.
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Mzr
Gallente
Leverage Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.08 16:28:00 -
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Quote:
[ 2009.07.07 10:44:33 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Arraron Local Channel
[ 2009.07.07 10:54:31 ] Me > next time have some balls and engage with the neut guardian
[ 2009.07.07 10:54:39 ] Me > we have some medicine for that too
[ 2009.07.07 10:55:44 ] Me > fit ur next abaddon
[ 2009.07.07 10:55:52 ] Me > ill see u out there
That's all I said. Hardly qualifies as `mouth diarrea` imo. But I've been wrong before.
As for yer e-bushido, this was never a staged 1v1 so cut the crap. Was just funny how the guardian never engaged (fear, dual-boxing, etc. - prolly one of you knows why). As I said it didnt matter, we came prepared.
Copying your tactics? Lolz. We were doing this stuff long before your created your character. Anyways.. I'll see you there, enough ink on the forums.
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.07.08 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mzr
Anyways.. I'll see you there, enough ink on the forums.
You keep saying this, and yet you continue to post.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Mzr
Gallente
Leverage Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.08 16:48:00 -
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I never started the thread and I would never start one, as I hardly post. Space pew is enough for me. Just responding to some public `stories`. But yea, it's time for me to take it back in space, I'm no match for these forum warriors.
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M'ing Pai
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.07.08 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mzr
Forum diarrhea.
Yes, this man appears to be an a-hole.
Good call.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.07.08 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat
Zed, how do you manage to make people so butthurt?
I've never known you to be anything but the soul of courtesy (even when killing idiots in an industrial o'doom ), so i'm pretty mystified...
Because I'm a strange attractor? Cause I'm pretty well spelling the truth out with the exception of either boring or unimportant details (Or details I'm not aware of at post time)?
The truth hurts Red. Often badly. And that's why folks get so butthurt.
I'm trying to make the experience of an IEEE agent amusing to the reader. If the folks who are part of the story would like to comment they are more than welcome to as Mzr has.
But, Mzr is correct in one fundamental way. The story is automatically colored by the person telling it. And now that Mzr has explained why the war is what it is...I would like to actually mention why he's peeved in the first place so that you, the fair readers, can more fully understand. (And some of you even think that the war is even more loltastic because of it)
Going back to the wayback machine:
If you go back to the original post, you will see mention of ISC. And one of the old guard had come back and there was various smack flying around fast and furious in Dixie, as it usually does. With Mzr being as, er, coherent as usual.
The old guard member was saying that he had stolen or was shacked up with Mrz's girlfriend in some form or the other. At which point I helpfully pointed out that no, no such thing had happened...Mzr had lost his girlfriend fair and square using his personality alone.
Now, the comments made sense to a handfull of folks in local, who know parts of the whole, sordid story, and Mzr himself. I only know what parts Mzr told me himself. (And, if the person as I've posited, will color the story automatically from their perspective, I'm perfectly correct in my assumption that indeed, he did indeed put his girlfriend of many years off quite thoroughly on his own. This having been gathered by simply listening to him kvetch about it for weeks in a row, lamenting about how he was going to get her back.. by the way, how's that working out for you?)
And Mzr, if it hadn't been for the mail with that elided section. None of this probably would have come up at all. Heck, even the original hunk-o-smack that started this would barely be worth a post.
But I've gone and made up Leverage Inc. Vs IEEE popcorn buckets, salt shakers, butter dispensers, soda cups. You name it..Merchandising! All available from your local IEEE agent for sale in game at low-low prices.
Concession stands to be set up in Cistuvaert, Alenia, Alentene, Aidart, Slays, Avaux and Ruerrotta. With mobile stands up in Amoen, Hedoubel and Gallusiene. Support your local IEEE agent by buying your popcorn and entertainment supplies from us.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Mordus Sith
Mallugier Exploration and Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.08 19:12:00 -
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meh, these asshats will step on too many toes sooner or later and get the living daylights beaten out of them by someone bigger. They're backstabbers and get their kicks from beating on new players most of the time. A few months back, I was mining in slays and met an emp member also mining in same belt. I asked him would I have access to the nearby lowsec if I applied to join. He basically said 'fine.. put in an app and I'll notify the corp leaders of your intentions...' etc
not only did nothing come of the app but I was instantly attacked by 2 emp members camping the gate. luckily I only lost a retriever, but at the time it was my main mining ship.
Can't say I think very much of pirates trying to trick peeps by portraying themselves as industrialists for the sake of a few cheap ganks. 
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.07.08 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mordus Sith
meh, these asshats will step on too many toes sooner or later and get the living daylights beaten out of them by someone bigger. They're backstabbers and get their kicks from beating on new players most of the time. A few months back, I was mining in slays and met an emp member also mining in same belt. I asked him would I have access to the nearby lowsec if I applied to join. He basically said 'fine.. put in an app and I'll notify the corp leaders of your intentions...' etc
not only did nothing come of the app but I was instantly attacked by 2 emp members camping the gate. luckily I only lost a retriever, but at the time it was my main mining ship.
Can't say I think very much of pirates trying to trick peeps by portraying themselves as industrialists for the sake of a few cheap ganks.
Won't happen. The area that they have ensconced themselves in isn't worth the time and effort to roll. At least not within the realm of 'worth it in terms of isk generated per week'. Unless they *really* manage to peeve someone off who doesn't care to do anything but squash the area flat.
And even then, replacing all the fixed assets covering the area in terms of poses etc would not run into too much cash (in the billions, for certain, but not too many of them). Mind you that's just what Mzr's alliance has back there...There are a few other poses running advanced reactions belonging to several russian entities just one jump off highsec. (If memory serves, like 4 or 5 large towers dug in really tight that would be a pain to take out). My memory's a bit foggy about that, its been a while since I scouted all the moons to see what's in there.
So, its unlikely that even if they **** off a large entity, that anyone would come through and stomp on them.
Though I'd sell popcorn to watch it since being wished rather ill  . Remember, buy your popcorn enjoying paraphernalia from the IEEE. Only the highest quality cardboard, wax, plastic, butter, popcorn, salt and flavorings are used in our official IEEE popcorn enjoyment merchandise!
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Harrigan VonStudly
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.07.08 22:59:00 -
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Confirming that MZR will see you in space Zed.
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Edited by: Mzr on 07/07/2009 17:48:03 I'll see you in space Zed. Bring the fanbois.
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I'll see the lot of you in space.
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I'll look for you lot in space, I'm sure 450mil is just a pinch to yer missioning wallets.
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But yea, it's time for me to take it back in space, I'm no match for these forum warriors.
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Guillitene Fall
Amarr
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.09 00:14:00 -
[44]
Where are EMP hanging out now? They were always fun to shoot.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.07.09 00:23:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Guillitene Fall
Where are EMP hanging out now? They were always fun to shoot.
Same bat-time...same bat-channel in Placid.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Miney Prospector
Caldari
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.07.09 01:28:00 -
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I just got word back from one of our undercover agents who has been on location conducting a continuing surveillance mission.
Mzr was not actually looking for us in space, he was spending the day at the beach! FEIND
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Kasheu
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Posted - 2009.07.09 01:40:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Miney Prospector
I just got word back from one of our undercover agents who has been on location conducting a continuing surveillance mission.
Mzr was not actually looking for us in space, he was spending the day at the beach! FEIND
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lmao
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.07.09 07:43:00 -
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War Report Day 2.. or they day Zed gets a kill.
So its getting to be 2am...I'm sure my old ceo's getting frisky, or at least awake by now. Let's pick something innocuous. A Merlin is innocuous. And travel back to his backyard. Actually shoot a rat so I can have some worthless piece of junk to put into a can. 'Zed was Here'.
That aught to at the very least tweak his nose... Flying around a bit more. Hey. There he is. In an incursus...that looks fine and dandy by me. Lock him up...he locks me up. We're on a gate but this aught not last too long..Hit Alt-F1 to flip on the scram...and find that his blasters tickle. Mine are doing better when he warps off...huh? *damnit* why is my scram in the Alt-F2 slot?
Right..go chase after him when...*bing* logon. Its the guy that I think is his alt.
Warp in the vague direction he did...when he shows up where I'm at and heads back to the gate... Find him again at the gate we were shootin at and he aggresses me..but you know what? Let's see if I can do this and get the funk out before backup arrives. Might as well aggress him. And this time..hit the scram. Ooops...its alt-boy coming into local...but the incursus is almost dead....Don't quite get rid of it before a megathron shows up...and gets a point on. And a web...and Ogre II's.... This isn't going to be pretty...
Ditch the loot no need to get greedy I might still survive this, and hit the gate... It would seem that the guy running the jump-gate is related to Scotty the docking guy... The Ogre II's aren't doing so well..I might just..*clank* ow...damned...large blasters hurt a lot if they get a hit.
I start to worry as the shield starts to collapse, because underneath that lovely outer shield barrier, a merlin is pretty well made of marshmallow. But finally the box of donuts arrives at jump-gate central and I'm let through.
Mzr jumps through after me in a pod. I throw out a good fight and pop back through the gate..throw a good fight to alt-boy. And head off.
In a bit of time...hm...Mzr in an ishkur...and look, another guy I used to know who has joined Mzr's corp pops up in local. I actually ask when he's going to show up, and get told to 'shut up and dock' (tm). A raptor shows up, and my tank's not doing so well against that ishkur. I'm not liking this... so, let's dock. I give a minute or two and undock...and there's two ospreys out there, and the other guy I used to like is long gone. (Ospreys, for what is ostensibly an armor tanked ship?) I'm pretty sure I can wait out a docking aggro if I overheat the tank...so let's aggress him. He's dorking around not aggressing when...damnit. There goes one red osprey. And Mzr's still not aggressing. Might as well just dock up..its closing in on 3am. And we'll probably run into each other again.
Rar..score one for the good guys.
PS: Docking makes one more able to chat in local...sit in a station bar and say all sorts of interesting true things. So be careful what you ask for Mzr. You might just get it.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.07.09 08:30:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
The old guard member was saying that he had stolen or was shacked up with Mrz's girlfriend in some form or the other. At which point I helpfully pointed out that no, no such thing had happened...Mzr had lost his girlfriend fair and square using his personality alone.
So this whole thing is over a girl opening her legs for somebody?
I just got less interested. I'll try to forget I read this. Of all the stupid reasons for doing anything.... a piece. Good grief.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.07.09 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
The old guard member was saying that he had stolen or was shacked up with Mrz's girlfriend in some form or the other. At which point I helpfully pointed out that no, no such thing had happened...Mzr had lost his girlfriend fair and square using his personality alone.
So this whole thing is over a girl opening her legs for somebody?
I just got less interested. I'll try to forget I read this. Of all the stupid reasons for doing anything.... a piece. Good grief.
Actually, its about someone talking about someone else losing a piece. I personally wouldn't have bothered to dec Mzr ever. Not really worth my time and trouble.
And frankly, its a good a reason as any to do anything in this game. There have been epically funny wars over a single 800 cap charge. (See the previous comment from one of the Privateers about EMP Industries for that particular set of lols. EMP Industries has since gone over a management change and cleaned up its act a lot.)
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
4 wing
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.07.09 16:46:00 -
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Strange as it may sound, I'm inclined to believe Zedrik Cayne
over anyone from Leverage Inc. Although I am enjoying the emo tears from Leverage and their attempts to "debunk" war status reports. 
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.07.09 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black
Strange as it may sound, I'm inclined to believe Zedrik Cayne
over anyone from Leverage Inc. Although I am enjoying the emo tears from Leverage and their attempts to "debunk" war status reports.
*SHHHHH* Don't give that part away...it might stop. Then what will I do with this 400m3 of popcorn?
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.10 03:00:00 -
[53]
Where is the Iteron?
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.07.10 03:52:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Where is the Iteron?
There's one in Jita, another near Dodixie...I think I have a third over in Calamari space.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.07.10 13:15:00 -
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War Report...day 3... or the day nothing happened.
I'm sure Mzr thought something might happen. But I'd been rather lax lately about enforcing the core principles of the IEEE. Miner harrass..um...education! But since I couldn't find anyone mining a mission in Dodixie...I went for the next best thing. Ninja Salvaging to prevent folks from littering space. That turns out rather well. When...(cue ominous music) Wartargets...in my dodixie?
Having travelled all this way, they're both in battleships. So I gird my loins, and think about it for a minute...Right, not too confident about taking them 2:1. Well now. New tactic! Let's ignore them for the most part. After asking how they liked the view outside the station. I proceeded to continue my ninja salvage ways. Since they don't seem to have brought anything along that might even be able to think about locking up the traditional tools of a ninja salvager. I blow past them a couple times and they seem to give up trying to camp.
So...nothing happened :) Popcorn sales are dipping.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.07.11 02:20:00 -
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Day 4 report...Since nothing's going on. Zed does some homework.
This post is going to be dry and boring. Mostly because its math. But, the essential question is..where is the isk going. Or more specifically, during the whole time that Session9 has been mining their area, doing joint operations with the rest of the alliance in the area, getting help to remove POSes etc, was any real isk sent back to the former alliance members? In chats with some of the former heads of corporations in the area, the answer is for the most part no.
For those of you following this. You'll know that Mzr runs a pos network. And while I was part of the corporation, I helped with fueling, maintaining etc these beasts. Its not fun work by any stretch of the imagination. Big hauling, weekly or bi-weekly to bring reactants in, haul the finished reactions out, fuel the towers. And setting the towers up themselves is a pain. But, it can be profitable.
Take for example a section of the tower network owned by Session9. Just two towers.
One tower produces Caesium. 100 units per hour. Pretty spiffy. You take that Caesium over to another tower that you haul Cadmium to (that you buy on the market because you have no access to a moon that produces Cadmium yourself) and react it together with the caesium. This reaction every hour produces 200 units of Caesarium Cadmide. Now say that that moon also produces caesium, with which you can run a second reaction for another 200 units per hour.
Now, let's say there's a medium minmatar tower and a large gallente tower sitting on these moons.
Now for the sake of argument, let's say that the towers are maxed out in Grid and CPU to make the fuel costs (if one were to just buy the fuel in Jita, for example) a nice number to work with (mostly because I can't be arsed to calculate the ratios of what is anchored and online at the moons).
Each hour..a large gallente tower eats:
450 units of Oxygen Isotopes
150 units of Liquid Ozone
150 units of Heavy Water
4 units of Enriched Uranium
25 units of Oxygen
5 units of Mechanical Parts
8 units of Coolant
1 unit of Robotics
A medium minmatar tower eats half of those numbers, substituting Hydrogen Isotopes for Oxygen Isotopes.
Add 200 units of Cadmium per hour.
And using current Jita prices..that comes to: 1.9 million isk per hour to operate.
Our final output, 400 units of Caesarium Cadmide yields: 2.3 million isk per hour at current Jita prices.
So per hour, we get 400k profit. And if we assume that all the fuel costs are borne by mining ice (Which it used to be, no clue if its done by mining at this point)
We're up to about 650k isk/hour. That runs 24/7 without interruption. So weekly we're talking 65 to 110 million a week.
Now, if the rest of the moons are running at approximately the same profit level. Let's call it at around 250 million a week. So about a half a billion isk a month for hauling time only...and if ice mining occurs, up to a billion isk a month. Not too shabby.
On top of six copies of...whatever blueprints they are running off monthly. (Usually around 100 million-ish per copy if memory serves for the freighter prints.)
(Never did this math while I was in corp, didn't really care that much tbqh) But I'm doing it now simply to ask..where does all that Isk go? It doesn't seem to be going to buying GTC. (In fact, there seems to be a bit of GTC selling going on... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1065423, buying another BPO to run through the copy labs?)
So Mzr. You've got this free isk rolling in monthly. For relatively little work. And you've been doing it for a few years now. Share with the guys in the loop who helped defend you? Flew along side of you? Helped remove poses so you could setup yours?
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Zaphod Beeblebrox42
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Posted - 2009.07.11 02:36:00 -
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Edited by: Zaphod Beeblebrox42 on 11/07/2009 02:36:45
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
Day 4 report...whole lotta stuff.
Weren't you talking about how you enjoyed the absence of trash talk before? I'd been with you, enjoying the updates and responses to the updates until this one. Seems way off topic and meant purely to elicit a "reaction".
That said, I hope the "reaction" is entertaining and suspect it will be.
Anyways, that's my one cent. Economy sucks too much to give you two.
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Awesome Possum
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Posted - 2009.07.11 02:39:00 -
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How are cold hard numbers and a simple question considered "trash talk"?
You suck, you dock up and spin in station, you hide behind xyz, you're a pet, your mama, you're ugly, virgin... blah. That's trash talk.
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Zaphod Beeblebrox42
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Posted - 2009.07.11 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
How are cold hard numbers and a simple question considered "trash talk"?
You suck, you dock up and spin in station, you hide behind xyz, you're a pet, your mama, you're ugly, virgin... blah. That's trash talk.
Actually, if you used your brain and read you'd realize the entire post was used for the simple purpose of calling him stingy/greedy. He was just very verbose and used what, if true, would seem to be a logical argument in support of such claims. It's still trash talk.
If we took what he said and turned it into something you could understand it would say, "You're a greedy bastard. Why don't you share that money with the people that do all the work for you, you stingy sob?"
I'm sure that if I felt like it I could cite multiple examples of where education has failed you and word it in such a way that it would look like a very logical and well thought out argument. In the end, however, it would still mean the same as calling you a dumbass. It'd just have evidence to support the claim.
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Awesome Possum
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Posted - 2009.07.11 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Zaphod Beeblebrox42
Actually, if you used your brain and read you'd realize the entire post was used for the simple purpose of calling him stingy/greedy. He was just very verbose and used what, if true, would seem to be a logical argument in support of such claims. It's still trash talk.
If we took what he said and turned it into something you could understand it would say, "You're a greedy bastard. Why don't you share that money with the people that do all the work for you, you stingy sob?"
I'm sure that if I felt like it I could cite multiple examples of where education has failed you and word it in such a way that it would look like a very logical and well thought out argument. In the end, however, it would still mean the same as calling you a dumbass. It'd just have evidence to support the claim.
tl;dr? no.
Let me know if you'd like the whole thing.
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