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Z'xera
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.07.15 16:46:00 -
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cosmo it wasn't a planned scam, if i was doing that could have done a full capital production ipo and got alot more, i'm simply having rl problems to sort out and thus have to liquidate this as don't have the time to run it
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Saehta
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.07.15 16:48:00 -
[32]
Considering the isk recovered, im glad to have invested to be a part of this historic scam
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.15 16:50:00 -
[33]
Well bear in mind Im using melt down prices, I'll attempt to garner as much isk for the investor as possible but using melted at 4-4 pricing its only 1.9 or so.
Melting the things down would be a last resort anyway.. worse comes to worse I'll pay for the parts and roll them into my Thanatos line. That is if that option is acceptable to investors.
We could discuss picking up a new mgr as well |
Z'xera
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.07.15 16:51:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Z''xera on 15/07/2009 16:53:30
ok enjoy then
i would have kept going, also if anyone does want to take this up advice:
best to split the bpo's into 2 groups set 48 runs on each bpo which is about 6 days stagger the group by a couple of days so is easier to manage.
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Saehta
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.07.15 16:51:00 -
[35]
Please.. don't try to make this sound like a planned liquidation. You took what you could tried to run.
Then couldnt sell a blacklisted character thanks to Cosmo
Then became fearful of retaliation and transfered remaining assets.
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Saehta
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.07.15 16:54:00 -
[36]
 Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Well bear in mind Im using melt down prices, I'll attempt to garner as much isk for the investor as possible but using melted at 4-4 pricing its only 1.9 or so.
Melting the things down would be a last resort anyway.. worse comes to worse I'll pay for the parts and roll them into my Thanatos line. That is if that option is acceptable to investors.
We could discuss picking up a new mgr as well
Whether you bought the items or melted them, works for me. Appreciate the work you've put into this Kazz. As much as I'd love to throw my name in a basket for mgr. I don't have the skills for manufacture (let alone experience in the field)
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente
No End To Infinity
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Posted - 2009.07.15 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Saehta
Please.. don't try to make this sound like a planned liquidation. You took what you could tried to run.
Then couldnt sell a blacklisted character thanks to Cosmo
Then became fearful of retaliation and transfered remaining assets.
This^^
The reach of the bigger players in MD is quite long.
I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually. |
Z'xera
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.07.15 16:56:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Saehta
Please.. don't try to make this sound like a planned liquidation. You took what you could tried to run.
Then couldnt sell a blacklisted character thanks to Cosmo
Then became fearful of retaliation and transfered remaining assets.
if i wanted to run i would have run, i have no fear of retaliation. cosmo can suck my left nut tbh he can threaten who ever he wants doesn't bother me.
aah gotta love the seriousness of this
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Mr Bussy
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Posted - 2009.07.15 17:19:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Z'xera
if i wanted to run i would have run, i have no fear of retaliation. cosmo can suck my left nut tbh he can threaten who ever he wants doesn't bother me.
aah gotta love the seriousness of this
you attempt to scam, you basically failed terribly... I had nothing to add so far, but please... stop your "i have lulz" if you need to explain your reasons with real life problems... 
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.07.15 17:38:00 -
[40]
Even the quality of the scams is deteriorating 
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Galal Dax
The Panopticon
G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E
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Posted - 2009.07.15 18:32:00 -
[41]
Not sure if original offer thread was linked, but I will put it here:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1104976
I did invest with you - not sure why you saw the need to do this - and do hope Kaz can recover some of the ISK, but we will see.
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Andron Blaxcor
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Posted - 2009.07.15 19:08:00 -
[42]
Well, that's my first investment and my first instance of being scammed. Unfortunate.
A big thanks to Kazz, however, for being decent and taking on the burden of helping in the aftermath.
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eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Posted - 2009.07.15 19:12:00 -
[43]
This is a shame as much time as myself and moreso kazz put into this to help this guy out, was actually a decent plan even.
Anyway kazz you put tons of time and effort so what ever my share is keep it for you admin fee's.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.15 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: eVaLF
This is a shame as much time as myself and moreso kazz put into this to help this guy out, was actually a decent plan even.
Anyway kazz you put tons of time and effort so what ever my share is keep it for you admin fee's.
I'll get the parts on market this weekend, prints unlock tomorrow and I'll move em for sale this weekend and get them listed as well.
Thanks for the offer eVaLF, but if you're going to do that I'll just roll it the final distribution amount once things have been liquidated. |
RothimusPrime
Honored By Death
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Posted - 2009.07.15 20:33:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Z'xera
Edited by: Z''xera on 15/07/2009 19:27:10
All Components have been transfered to kaz for liquidation,rl issues means my ingame time is serverly reduced.
Really? You EDIT'd your OP to now say you didn't scam/try to scam?
This was the worst attempt at anything!
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Cpt Steo
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Posted - 2009.07.15 20:44:00 -
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IĈm new to md forums, as new as the op is, and I have to say that this is one lame scam.
You could have made way more isk if you had seen the IPO out, but alas there will always be greedy and to put it bluntly stupid people.
Anyway IĈd like to thank kazzac for taking his time to sort out the components and the prints
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.07.15 20:50:00 -
[47]
Kazzac
In 2 weeks I may have a production ALT available who could maybe take over this.
He could join the lock down corp.
Questions:
1. Was a contract in place to sell Cap Components? Or was sale just at Jita?
2. What is max production run on those BPO's?
3. Could the high sec location be moved?
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.15 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Steo
You could have made way more isk if you had seen the IPO out
It is sad really. A monkey could run this scheme since more or less is consists of purchase minerals, move to build, cook, sell.
My guess is there is no RL issues, no real attempt to scam. More the OP bit off more than they could chew and didn't like the aspect of hauling freight loads of minerals from jita to build spot. |
Saehta
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.07.15 20:53:00 -
[49]
Eve-search does not forgive nor forget
Posted - 2009.07.15 14:45:00 - [1]
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I'm walking away with the 4billion isk i have access to, and will be selling this char.
Thankyou, may not be major amounts but free isk is free isk :) enjoy.
fly safe
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Mr Bussy
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Posted - 2009.07.15 21:02:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Z'xera
I'm walking away with the 4billion isk i have access to, and will be selling this char.
Thankyou, may not be major amounts but free isk is free isk :) enjoy.
fly safe
thanks Saehta for digging it out :)
It is incredible how Z'xera failed.. Even if my investment will end as 7% loss it was worth to see the fall of one stupid brick down :D I know I am a bit evil know, but that really amused me.
I wish my employer would be also that evil and pay some mercs for few months war... but I am only his accountant and I cannot decide for him 
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.15 22:50:00 -
[51]
Originally by: cosmoray
Kazzac
In 2 weeks I may have a production ALT available who could maybe take over this.
He could join the lock down corp.
Questions:
1. Was a contract in place to sell Cap Components? Or was sale just at Jita?
2. What is max production run on those BPO's?
3. Could the high sec location be moved?
1.Parts were sitting in 4-4
2.Print list is as follows
80/10Cap Armor Plates
80/20Cap Capacitor Bat
80/10Cap Cargo Bay
80/10Cap Computer Sys
80/20Cap Drone Bay
40/10Cap Jump Drive
80/10Cap Sensor Clust
90/10Cap Shield Emitter
50/10Cap Ship Maint Bay
With those numbers each part has an average build cycle of 175 minutes. So if you figure a weekly build cycle you should be able to crank out 55-57 a week assuming materials available.
3. Yes, within reason. Currently sitting in Lonetrek
What sort of take over would you suggest?
If we assume parts sell as planned you could expect 2b in operating capital. That should give you close to a 2-4 build cycle on your most in demand prints. However for maximum profit you'll want closer to the original 3-4b to build on with the option to pick up a duplicate print of say sensor clusters or another one of the 2/1 capital prints. I say this because movement on some of the prints is slower than others. Some like the sensor clusters and armor prints have quick movements.
As with anything, I am at the behest of the share holders as collateral holder and will continue with liquidation plans unless we can issue a vote on a plan by end of week or so.
My suggestion if you want to do this Cosmo would be to offer to take over as a mgr, secure a loan or use private funding to secure the gap in materials and or discuss the possibility of liquidating a lesser used print for that purpose. It poses some interesting challenges since the primary issue we have, is how do we ensure investors come as close to their original investment as possible. My guess is around 2b in divs would be required before we would hit break even at which point we can start measuring the programs profitability. |
Bankimus
EVE Wealth Management
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Posted - 2009.07.15 23:53:00 -
[52]
I own 10 shares and received a total payment of 29,790 isk today.
Just FYI
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http://sites.google.com/site/evewealth |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.07.16 00:27:00 -
[53]
Kazzac,
let it liquidate.
A lot of cap component parts are currently selling under production price in Jita (noobs haven't adjusted to the recent mineral changes).
I probably won't have time to babysit another IPO that I don't control a significant percentage of.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.16 01:06:00 -
[54]
lol
Can't believe I missed this one. This is so cute. Someone comes in and starts a IPO for 15billion.
Runs off.
Claims to made 4 billions.
Really 0 billions.
Try to shrug it off as another ****s and giggles.
So cute...its like a ****roach trying to glaw MD's leg off before getting stepped on.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.16 02:20:00 -
[55]
Hey Z'xera, I'll offer you 500m for your toon, maybe you'll walk away with something eh?
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.07.16 08:45:00 -
[56]
i lost 7 percent of my investment...
this will be dealt with...
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.16 12:18:00 -
[57]
Originally by: cosmoray
Kazzac,
let it liquidate.
A lot of cap component parts are currently selling under production price in Jita (noobs haven't adjusted to the recent mineral changes).
I probably won't have time to babysit another IPO that I don't control a significant percentage of.
Liquidate it is, hoping I can get everything cleared by end of next week. For my own sanity I'll be doing a lump payment once everything sells unless there is some straggler taking awhile or things move slower than planned. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.07.16 12:21:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: cosmoray
Kazzac,
let it liquidate.
A lot of cap component parts are currently selling under production price in Jita (noobs haven't adjusted to the recent mineral changes).
I probably won't have time to babysit another IPO that I don't control a significant percentage of.
Liquidate it is, hoping I can get everything cleared by end of next week. For my own sanity I'll be doing a lump payment once everything sells unless there is some straggler taking awhile or things move slower than planned.
Kazzac,
I have got an idea, please contact me in game before you liquidate.
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Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read
http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and
http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Skarii TuThess
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2009.07.16 18:48:00 -
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cosmo / vv / others
I too would be interested in helping out here. The plan was good even if it was ended with a half-arsed scammer. If cosmo or vv wanted to get involved I'd be prepared to help out by backing them with additional ISK.
Maybe cosmo, myself or others could offer to buy shares from people who were not interested in remaining with this plan in order to get a larger stake to make it worth their while. If I knew that cosmo was going to MD this I'd even be prepared to buy back shares at their original 15m value as opposed to their 7% lower current value.
Hit me up in game if I can help out at all.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.16 19:20:00 -
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Any proposed plan would have to place current share holders with first interest, mainly with the proposal to garner as much isk back as possible up to and above the 100% return mark.
Sadly the best option to achieve this would be some sort of weird credit default swap, whereby an institution or individual picks up the debt at a reduced rate with the idea that full repayment will occur shortly in the future.
Say someone wanted to expand their current capital line even more and needed these prints. They for instance might offer investors a return rate of 3-4% over 3 months with full repayment at those 3 month mark. To achieve IMHO this we'd have to value the current BPOs, liquidate the components as a first good faith payment.
They would essentially be getting access to the prints and delaying their initial capital outlay to the future. If we value the prints at 11.5, then investors would actually see their net loss drop to 1%. The idea being that the purchaser of the debt would be paying 340m approx per month to access the prints. These of course are all just numbers out my ass, really any monthly access fee with full payment at end of term would increase the return for investors.
And again, it would be beholden to the investor if this is okay. At this point it looks like the loss amount is going to be anywhere between 7-13%, small amounts compared to what could have been.
Who knows, perhaps this could be the springboard for a whole new Ebank market idea |
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