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Z'xera Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.15 14:45:00 - [1] I'm walking away with the 4billion isk i have access to, and will be selling this char. Thankyou, may not be major amounts but free isk is free isk :) enjoy. fly safe
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta	Posted - 2009.07.15 14:48:00 - [2] sry, nop
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Innovations	Posted - 2009.07.15 14:50:00 - [3] Edited by: Midas Man on 15/07/2009 14:52:36 the character cost you 2bil and will cost you $20 to sell so far from free isk and a very small amount to scam for Linkage well anybody who invested in it probably deseaves to lose the isk anyway
Emmgel	Posted - 2009.07.15 14:51:00 - [4] With the list of investors you had in that IPO, frankly you could have walked off with a lot more if you'd put a bit more effort in. P.S. No axe to grind, I wasn't one of them :) Emmgel
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.07.15 15:00:00 - [5] Doesnt kazz have 70% of this locked down?
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.15 15:13:00 - [6] Technically you're only walking away with 3.5 - your character transfer fee, so its a pittance amount really. The following prints are in my possession still. Cap Armor Plates Cap Capacitor Bat Cap Cargo Bay Cap Computer Sys Cap Drone Bay Cap Jump Drive Cap Sensor Clust Cap Shield Emitter Cap Ship Maint Bay I'll start the process of selling the prints this week, getting them moved over to the main.
Z'xera Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.15 15:16:00 - [7] actually with the profits made once all liquidated comes to 4.1bil :) so it works if someone did it legitimatly, and iy is pitance but a bit of a giggle :)
SencneS Amarr Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2009.07.15 15:25:00 - [8] Is this the "new cool" walking away with something worth less then what you started with.. I mean playing dumb was the new cool for a while with the "haz I gunz?!?" stupid speak, so what now it's.. "HAHAH IN YOUR FACE" Actual stupidity is the new cool. Thank god I don't care how people rate me on their own coolness scale! Amarr for Life
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Innovations	Posted - 2009.07.15 15:28:00 - [9] Originally by: SencneS Is this the "new cool" walking away with something worth less then what you started with.. I mean playing dumb was the new cool for a while with the "haz I gunz?!?" stupid speak, so what now it's.. "HAHAH IN YOUR FACE" Actual stupidity is the new cool. Thank god I don't care how people rate me on their own coolness scale! Even he doesn't think its cool otherwise he wouldnt be selling his cool new character....
lacretia	Posted - 2009.07.15 15:31:00 - [10] You would have saved yourself a ton of time and effort just AFK mining Veldspar or grinding missions... But then again...the cutting off of ones nose to spite ones face is a rising trend.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.15 15:38:00 - [11] Just so we can ensure some paper trail here. Z'xera was purchase by Hunlight Faithus who also owns Restless Phantom bunny lazerz Galen Marek More recently he is in Fatal Error and the DEFI4ANT alliance, of which I'll be making sure to send some pew pew that way. It's a shame he didn't invest in Cosmo's 40b bond, likely could have recovered some of the isk, however I am going to have agree that you wasted quite a bit of time here. In all likely hood Im expecting to recover 12 to 12.5b from print sales, and I'll be using the ledger from the last thread to distribute payments. If you've sold or transferred shares, please let me know from who and where it went.
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.07.15 15:50:00 - [12] ahahahaha this must be the worst scam ever _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu BAAOOM... Told you, newb."
Z'xera Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.15 15:53:00 - [13] yup just like i said a giggle, oh and kaz your miss informed with some of that information at the moment
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.07.15 15:59:00 - [14] Glad I dropped out of this one. It actually looked pretty good, and used eVaLF and Kazzac to help and lock down stuff. Silly loser, could actually made more money running it than walking off.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:01:00 - [15] Originally by: Z'xera yup just like i said a giggle, oh and kaz your miss informed with some of that information at the moment Well, I only took 5 minutes or so using eve search, but the point is I know where to pay to have some dreads hot dropped. ...you know.. for giggles.
Z'xera Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:07:00 - [16] i know i could have, its just amusing tbh, initially was going to do this properly but with alot of things happening this summer i relised i wouldn't have the time, so thought may aswell get somthing from it :P anyway no more post from me i'm off. as it is i know its not much, i kow its a pathetic amount compared to alot of things just felt like doing it for a laugh, i know i gain nothing, although once sold this char and bought a new one will have a nicer char. Also kaz is very helpful when it comes to easy use of locking down facilities so if anyone needs things locking down in the future i recommend him. anyway fly safe, won't see you around as am of on holiday since the short char auction :)
Lecherito	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:18:00 - [17] lol, mate you¦ve earned yourself a proud pedastel next to armouredC himself. Keep up the good work! -L
Z'xera Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:21:00 - [18] who?
SellOrder Forum	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:21:00 - [19] Good Luck with the Auction
Z'xera Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:24:00 - [20] thanks, and thanks for the bump :)
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:28:00 - [21] I have confirmed on your sales thread, that if you sell this toon I will pay mercs to wardec its new corp. Good luck with character sale.
Z'xera Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:30:00 - [22] ok lol, ok i've had my giggle, kaz on contract to you is all the cap components. i have somethings in rl to sort out currently so won't have time to run this. going to be canceling the sell char thread i have no intention of selling my char, i enjoyed all the reactions from people :)
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:34:00 - [23] Originally by: Z'xera ok lol, ok i've had my giggle, kaz on contract to you is all the cap components. i have somethings in rl to sort out currently so won't have time to run this. going to be canceling the sell char thread i have no intention of selling my char, i enjoyed all the reactions from people :) You fail. You still SCAMMED, but it is not so profitable now is it?? You can't undo what you have stated.
Z'xera Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:36:00 - [24] meh fine wt evr hehe was funny :) , well for me :)
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:39:00 - [25] sad really Could have made a lot of isk if you just kept with it. Since you are burning out you could have just liquidated... instead this. I dont have the funds to air drop dreads but will set standings accordingly, you fly safe
Z'xera Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:40:00 - [26] Edited by: Z''xera on 15/07/2009 16:40:45 kaz acepted the contract and when is all sold of should cover all the isk invested. i know i could have made good isk but rl calls unfortuantly
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Z'xera Edited by: Z''xera on 15/07/2009 16:40:33 kaz acepted the contract and when is all sold of should cover all the isk invested. i know i could have made good isk but rl calls unfortuantly If thats true you made nothing, except destroying what little rep you had. Fail, fail, fail.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Z'xera ok lol, ok i've had my giggle, kaz on contract to you is all the cap components. i have somethings in rl to sort out currently so won't have time to run this. going to be canceling the sell char thread i have no intention of selling my char, i enjoyed all the reactions from people :) Did we just have a Disney moment? Contract accepted of the following Cap arm plates qty 66 cap cap bat qty 48 cap com sys qty 29 cap drone bay 63 cap jump drive 48 cap sens clust 43 cap ship main bay 48 That's an additional 1.859b recovered.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:43:00 - [29] This has to go down as the worst planned scam in history of MD. Total gain = 0 isk
Z'xera Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:44:00 - [30] um dunno but thats all the components, so its arpox 700mil down off the original 15bil
Z'xera Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:46:00 - [31] cosmo it wasn't a planned scam, if i was doing that could have done a full capital production ipo and got alot more, i'm simply having rl problems to sort out and thus have to liquidate this as don't have the time to run it
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:48:00 - [32] Considering the isk recovered, im glad to have invested to be a part of this historic scam
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:50:00 - [33] Well bear in mind Im using melt down prices, I'll attempt to garner as much isk for the investor as possible but using melted at 4-4 pricing its only 1.9 or so. Melting the things down would be a last resort anyway.. worse comes to worse I'll pay for the parts and roll them into my Thanatos line. That is if that option is acceptable to investors. We could discuss picking up a new mgr as well
Z'xera Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:51:00 - [34] Edited by: Z''xera on 15/07/2009 16:53:30 ok enjoy then i would have kept going, also if anyone does want to take this up advice: best to split the bpo's into 2 groups set 48 runs on each bpo which is about 6 days stagger the group by a couple of days so is easier to manage.
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:51:00 - [35] Please.. don't try to make this sound like a planned liquidation. You took what you could tried to run. Then couldnt sell a blacklisted character thanks to Cosmo Then became fearful of retaliation and transfered remaining assets.
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:54:00 - [36] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Well bear in mind Im using melt down prices, I'll attempt to garner as much isk for the investor as possible but using melted at 4-4 pricing its only 1.9 or so. Melting the things down would be a last resort anyway.. worse comes to worse I'll pay for the parts and roll them into my Thanatos line. That is if that option is acceptable to investors. We could discuss picking up a new mgr as well Whether you bought the items or melted them, works for me. Appreciate the work you've put into this Kazz. As much as I'd love to throw my name in a basket for mgr. I don't have the skills for manufacture (let alone experience in the field)
Yakumo Smith Gallente No End To Infinity	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:54:00 - [37] Originally by: Saehta Please.. don't try to make this sound like a planned liquidation. You took what you could tried to run. Then couldnt sell a blacklisted character thanks to Cosmo Then became fearful of retaliation and transfered remaining assets. This^^ The reach of the bigger players in MD is quite long. I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually.
Z'xera Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:56:00 - [38] Originally by: Saehta Please.. don't try to make this sound like a planned liquidation. You took what you could tried to run. Then couldnt sell a blacklisted character thanks to Cosmo Then became fearful of retaliation and transfered remaining assets. if i wanted to run i would have run, i have no fear of retaliation. cosmo can suck my left nut tbh he can threaten who ever he wants doesn't bother me. aah gotta love the seriousness of this
Mr Bussy	Posted - 2009.07.15 17:19:00 - [39] Originally by: Z'xera if i wanted to run i would have run, i have no fear of retaliation. cosmo can suck my left nut tbh he can threaten who ever he wants doesn't bother me. aah gotta love the seriousness of this you attempt to scam, you basically failed terribly... I had nothing to add so far, but please... stop your "i have lulz" if you need to explain your reasons with real life problems...
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.07.15 17:38:00 - [40] Even the quality of the scams is deteriorating FREE! jumpclone service: Forum thread\|Podlog
Galal Dax The Panopticon G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E	Posted - 2009.07.15 18:32:00 - [41] Not sure if original offer thread was linked, but I will put it here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1104976 I did invest with you - not sure why you saw the need to do this - and do hope Kaz can recover some of the ISK, but we will see.
Andron Blaxcor	Posted - 2009.07.15 19:08:00 - [42] Well, that's my first investment and my first instance of being scammed. Unfortunate. A big thanks to Kazz, however, for being decent and taking on the burden of helping in the aftermath.
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.07.15 19:12:00 - [43] This is a shame as much time as myself and moreso kazz put into this to help this guy out, was actually a decent plan even. Anyway kazz you put tons of time and effort so what ever my share is keep it for you admin fee's. ----- POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.15 19:43:00 - [44] Originally by: eVaLF This is a shame as much time as myself and moreso kazz put into this to help this guy out, was actually a decent plan even. Anyway kazz you put tons of time and effort so what ever my share is keep it for you admin fee's. I'll get the parts on market this weekend, prints unlock tomorrow and I'll move em for sale this weekend and get them listed as well. Thanks for the offer eVaLF, but if you're going to do that I'll just roll it the final distribution amount once things have been liquidated.
RothimusPrime Honored By Death	Posted - 2009.07.15 20:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Z'xera Edited by: Z''xera on 15/07/2009 19:27:10 All Components have been transfered to kaz for liquidation,rl issues means my ingame time is serverly reduced. Really? You EDIT'd your OP to now say you didn't scam/try to scam? This was the worst attempt at anything!
Cpt Steo	Posted - 2009.07.15 20:44:00 - [46] IÆm new to md forums, as new as the op is, and I have to say that this is one lame scam. You could have made way more isk if you had seen the IPO out, but alas there will always be greedy and to put it bluntly stupid people. Anyway IÆd like to thank kazzac for taking his time to sort out the components and the prints
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.07.15 20:50:00 - [47] Kazzac In 2 weeks I may have a production ALT available who could maybe take over this. He could join the lock down corp. Questions: 1. Was a contract in place to sell Cap Components? Or was sale just at Jita? 2. What is max production run on those BPO's? 3. Could the high sec location be moved?
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.15 20:52:00 - [48] Originally by: Cpt Steo You could have made way more isk if you had seen the IPO out It is sad really. A monkey could run this scheme since more or less is consists of purchase minerals, move to build, cook, sell. My guess is there is no RL issues, no real attempt to scam. More the OP bit off more than they could chew and didn't like the aspect of hauling freight loads of minerals from jita to build spot.
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.07.15 20:53:00 - [49] Eve-search does not forgive nor forget Posted - 2009.07.15 14:45:00 - [1] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm walking away with the 4billion isk i have access to, and will be selling this char. Thankyou, may not be major amounts but free isk is free isk :) enjoy. fly safe
Mr Bussy	Posted - 2009.07.15 21:02:00 - [50] Originally by: Z'xera I'm walking away with the 4billion isk i have access to, and will be selling this char. Thankyou, may not be major amounts but free isk is free isk :) enjoy. fly safe thanks Saehta for digging it out :) It is incredible how Z'xera failed.. Even if my investment will end as 7% loss it was worth to see the fall of one stupid brick down :D I know I am a bit evil know, but that really amused me. I wish my employer would be also that evil and pay some mercs for few months war... but I am only his accountant and I cannot decide for him
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.15 22:50:00 - [51] Originally by: cosmoray Kazzac In 2 weeks I may have a production ALT available who could maybe take over this. He could join the lock down corp. Questions: 1. Was a contract in place to sell Cap Components? Or was sale just at Jita? 2. What is max production run on those BPO's? 3. Could the high sec location be moved? 1.Parts were sitting in 4-4 2.Print list is as follows 80/10Cap Armor Plates 80/20Cap Capacitor Bat 80/10Cap Cargo Bay 80/10Cap Computer Sys 80/20Cap Drone Bay 40/10Cap Jump Drive 80/10Cap Sensor Clust 90/10Cap Shield Emitter 50/10Cap Ship Maint Bay With those numbers each part has an average build cycle of 175 minutes. So if you figure a weekly build cycle you should be able to crank out 55-57 a week assuming materials available. 3. Yes, within reason. Currently sitting in Lonetrek What sort of take over would you suggest? If we assume parts sell as planned you could expect 2b in operating capital. That should give you close to a 2-4 build cycle on your most in demand prints. However for maximum profit you'll want closer to the original 3-4b to build on with the option to pick up a duplicate print of say sensor clusters or another one of the 2/1 capital prints. I say this because movement on some of the prints is slower than others. Some like the sensor clusters and armor prints have quick movements. As with anything, I am at the behest of the share holders as collateral holder and will continue with liquidation plans unless we can issue a vote on a plan by end of week or so. My suggestion if you want to do this Cosmo would be to offer to take over as a mgr, secure a loan or use private funding to secure the gap in materials and or discuss the possibility of liquidating a lesser used print for that purpose. It poses some interesting challenges since the primary issue we have, is how do we ensure investors come as close to their original investment as possible. My guess is around 2b in divs would be required before we would hit break even at which point we can start measuring the programs profitability.
Bankimus EVE Wealth Management	Posted - 2009.07.15 23:53:00 - [52] I own 10 shares and received a total payment of 29,790 isk today. Just FYI ______________________________________ http://sites.google.com/site/evewealth
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.07.16 00:27:00 - [53] Kazzac, let it liquidate. A lot of cap component parts are currently selling under production price in Jita (noobs haven't adjusted to the recent mineral changes). I probably won't have time to babysit another IPO that I don't control a significant percentage of.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.07.16 01:06:00 - [54] lol Can't believe I missed this one. This is so cute. Someone comes in and starts a IPO for 15billion. Runs off. Claims to made 4 billions. Really 0 billions. Try to shrug it off as another **s and giggles. So cute...its like a **roach trying to glaw MD's leg off before getting stepped on.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.07.16 02:20:00 - [55] Hey Z'xera, I'll offer you 500m for your toon, maybe you'll walk away with something eh?
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.07.16 08:45:00 - [56] i lost 7 percent of my investment... this will be dealt with...
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.16 12:18:00 - [57] Originally by: cosmoray Kazzac, let it liquidate. A lot of cap component parts are currently selling under production price in Jita (noobs haven't adjusted to the recent mineral changes). I probably won't have time to babysit another IPO that I don't control a significant percentage of. Liquidate it is, hoping I can get everything cleared by end of next week. For my own sanity I'll be doing a lump payment once everything sells unless there is some straggler taking awhile or things move slower than planned.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.07.16 12:21:00 - [58] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: cosmoray Kazzac, let it liquidate. A lot of cap component parts are currently selling under production price in Jita (noobs haven't adjusted to the recent mineral changes). I probably won't have time to babysit another IPO that I don't control a significant percentage of. Liquidate it is, hoping I can get everything cleared by end of next week. For my own sanity I'll be doing a lump payment once everything sells unless there is some straggler taking awhile or things move slower than planned. Kazzac, I have got an idea, please contact me in game before you liquidate. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Skarii TuThess Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2009.07.16 18:48:00 - [59] cosmo / vv / others I too would be interested in helping out here. The plan was good even if it was ended with a half-arsed scammer. If cosmo or vv wanted to get involved I'd be prepared to help out by backing them with additional ISK. Maybe cosmo, myself or others could offer to buy shares from people who were not interested in remaining with this plan in order to get a larger stake to make it worth their while. If I knew that cosmo was going to MD this I'd even be prepared to buy back shares at their original 15m value as opposed to their 7% lower current value. Hit me up in game if I can help out at all.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.16 19:20:00 - [60] Any proposed plan would have to place current share holders with first interest, mainly with the proposal to garner as much isk back as possible up to and above the 100% return mark. Sadly the best option to achieve this would be some sort of weird credit default swap, whereby an institution or individual picks up the debt at a reduced rate with the idea that full repayment will occur shortly in the future. Say someone wanted to expand their current capital line even more and needed these prints. They for instance might offer investors a return rate of 3-4% over 3 months with full repayment at those 3 month mark. To achieve IMHO this we'd have to value the current BPOs, liquidate the components as a first good faith payment. They would essentially be getting access to the prints and delaying their initial capital outlay to the future. If we value the prints at 11.5, then investors would actually see their net loss drop to 1%. The idea being that the purchaser of the debt would be paying 340m approx per month to access the prints. These of course are all just numbers out my ass, really any monthly access fee with full payment at end of term would increase the return for investors. And again, it would be beholden to the investor if this is okay. At this point it looks like the loss amount is going to be anywhere between 7-13%, small amounts compared to what could have been. Who knows, perhaps this could be the springboard for a whole new Ebank market idea
lacretia	Posted - 2009.07.16 19:25:00 - [61] Kess/Cosmo...if either of you decide to take over administering this, I would be willing to put some money up as an investment. After all...ive been trying to find a way to get invested in one of yalls business ventures.
Skarii TuThess Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2009.07.16 19:45:00 - [62] Kazz I agree with you about putting shareholder rights first. It's a shame we can't have a discussion amongst all shareholders about what to do. I also believe that if the people that have mentioned they want to join in do so then there will be a thirst for investment. As BP sales will take some time anyhow (and a 7-13% loss is, as you said, very minimal compared to what it could have been had you not been so prudent) I would like to give time to cosmo / LVV to come up with some proposals as to where to take this. I mean we're at a 7-13% loss anyhow, I'd rather lose that in the share price of a working business that will give a future return than in dead ISK. On a separate note I'd like to thank you for the effort you are putting into this.
Marbo Slyder	Posted - 2009.07.16 19:56:00 - [63] my small shareholding (50) is happy for this to remain open for further dialogue and possible development. I also happen to have a cap component build char available, were that to be of any use
Marcus Baltar	Posted - 2009.07.16 22:20:00 - [64] I think that the best idea would be to liquidate everything and hand back the money, pro rata, to the investors. However, if there are some people interested in running this, rather than sell everything, the option to launch a new IPO along the exact same lines should be explored. The original investors could be allowed the option of buying in to this new IPO using the proposed liquidated price of their original investment (old shares can be transferred to confirm things) and assets to this value can be automatically transferred to the new IPO (with lockdowns, etc..). Those original investors that want out can then be paid off by selling untransferred assets (or the money raised from the remaining IPO), and the remainder of the IPO can be opened to the public. For example; Original IPO of 1000 shares at 15,000,000 each, 15,000,000,000 ISK total Remaining asset sales would net 13,000,000,000 ISK therefore each investor would get back 13,000,000 ISK per share. A new Private Offering (IPO?) is launched, 70% of original investors want to transfer their stake so assets to the value of 9,100,000,000 ISK can be transferred to the new IPO with new corporation shares going to the these investors (hopefully using a more personally preferable value of 1,000,000 ISK per share) with no money needing to change wallets. Then the Private Offering can be made a Public Offering and opened to the public and the money raised, to the preset Offering value, can be used to purchase remaining assets and pay off the leaving original investors. This would allow those that missed out first time to invest in a new "IPO" and would avoid the hassles of a takeover or "credit default swap", as well as distance operations from the original badly run/scam attempt. Just my idea, and not too sure how feasible and well presented it is. Whatever, keep up the good work Kazzac Elentria. -- MBMDREP -- DesuSigs
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.07.16 22:30:00 - [65] Please have a look to this proposal: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1120822 - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.07.17 03:37:00 - [66] With current cost of capital in Eve running about 5% per month, it is better to liquidate. At 5% cost of capital you can absorb a 7-13% loss in 2-3 months. Anything longer term than that and you are losing money.
Ender2006 APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2009.07.17 03:42:00 - [67] I would be interested in purchasing some of these bpo's if they do indeed get liquidated.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.17 12:23:00 - [68] Originally by: Ender2006 I would be interested in purchasing some of these bpo's if they do indeed get liquidated. All will go on the sell forums starting this Monday (accounting for time to unlock and move from HQ to Jita for sale) Components I've held off hoping prices will recover and adjust to reflect mineral spikes.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.07.17 12:31:00 - [69] Just out of the curiousity, how much did Z'xera pay for the blueprints with the investor's money?
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.17 12:55:00 - [70] Originally by: Brock Nelson Just out of the curiousity, how much did Z'xera pay for the blueprints with the investor's money? 10.5, so while technically speaking he walked away with 2-3b the sheer fact I was able to get the prints on the dime worked out for the best.
Galal Dax The Panopticon G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E	Posted - 2009.07.18 04:38:00 - [71] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria 10.5, so while technically speaking he walked away with 2-3b the sheer fact I was able to get the prints on the dime worked out for the best. Kazz, thanks for doing all of this for us.
Mr Bussy	Posted - 2009.07.21 13:20:00 - [72] any news regarding when we can expect "results" from liquidated prints? thx in advance.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.21 13:29:00 - [73] Components are on the market, half sold already. In negotiations with a private party regarding the prints. Can't get into the game at the moment to check my evemail until later today. If I can move all of them at the same time, I think its preferential to letting them possibly languish on the sell forums for a month or more. That and I had to petition to get them unlocked cause after 3 vote inits it still wouldn't unlock them from the office.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.25 00:26:00 - [74] First round, by no means the last 1,448,188,549 in sales of components 1,448,188,549 distributed using the following method 1000 shares - Evalf's donation = 967 total outstanding shares 1,448,188,549 / 967 = 1497609.668 per share payment Everyone should have seen payments go out Currently outstanding 495m in components and the prints. I've been wrangling to try and get these prints unlocked and currently have had a petition in since Monday. Until they get unlocked there isn't much I can do. Currently negotiating with a few interested parties though, so hopefully you guys wont have to bear having them on the sell forums for ages.
Cpt Steo	Posted - 2009.07.25 00:48:00 - [75] received thanks
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.07.25 01:53:00 - [76] Edited by: ingenting on 25/07/2009 01:53:58 was there a loss in the end? _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu BAAOOM... Told you, newb."
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.25 04:02:00 - [77] Originally by: ingenting Edited by: ingenting on 25/07/2009 01:53:58 was there a loss in the end? Well technically yes. On the parts sorta, they are tracking higher than my estimated 1.9 return.. thankfully due to mineral prices taking a spike.
Marbo Slyder	Posted - 2009.07.25 05:54:00 - [78] confirming isk received nice work Kazzac
Skarii TuThess Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2009.07.25 10:13:00 - [79] Confirming ISK received - thx!
Galal Dax The Panopticon G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E	Posted - 2009.07.25 14:48:00 - [80] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria First round, by no means the last 1,448,188,549 in sales of components 1,448,188,549 / 967 = 1497609.668 per share payment Confirmed ISK received from Kaz 1.497M X 10 shares Thanks.
Gareth Montesque	Posted - 2009.07.31 18:41:00 - [81] Kazzac, just wondering if you've managed to get every thing liquidate? I'm starting up a new production and may be interested in swapping my investment directly for some of the BPO's if you still have any. Gareth
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.31 18:49:00 - [82] Originally by: Gareth Montesque Kazzac, just wondering if you've managed to get every thing liquidate? I'm starting up a new production and may be interested in swapping my investment directly for some of the BPO's if you still have any. Gareth Have one batch of parts left to sell Sell thread is here for the prints http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1133250&page=1#1 I'll be doing the daily bump thing until they move, and while I had opted to just wait until everything liquidates to pay out. I'm just going to process payments as they come in now since this is taking longer than expected. I'd rather everyone get their isk back sooner than later so it can go towards something productive.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.08.03 02:53:00 - [83] Second payment out Total sent out 2,567,135,920.00 Represents the following items 191,645,974.00 - parts 62,339,988.00 - parts 213,149,958.00 - parts 2,100,000,000.00 - prints This represents a price per share of 2654742.42 Total recovery so far 4,015,324,469.00 or about 26% 8.175b up for sale .875b on contract Estimated return once all said and done stands at 13.065b for a total loss of 8.71%
flakeys Distillery Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2009.08.03 05:24:00 - [84] You don't get more fail then this tbh.
Mr Bussy	Posted - 2009.08.03 05:28:00 - [85] Thank you Kazzac, "recovery 2" received
Cpt Steo	Posted - 2009.08.03 14:28:00 - [86] received thanks :)
Tre Circuit	Posted - 2009.08.04 16:50:00 - [87] Both payments received. Many thanks to you Kazzac for your attention to this.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:45:00 - [88] Just letting everyone know that I'll be making a payment in the amount of 3,175,000,000.00 Here either tonight or tomorrow. That'll make a total recovery of 7.2b thus far.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.08.15 17:50:00 - [89] Payout made of 3,175,000,000.00 Represents a total recovery of 7,190,324,469.00 Price per share equals 3,283,350.56 I may have to drop the print prices if you all want it to move faster. I'll let the majority of you decide how much longer you want this to run.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.08.15 18:07:00 - [90] TAKE YOUR TIME... edit: sry caps
Gareth Montesque	Posted - 2009.08.15 21:05:00 - [91] Agreed take your time. Gareth
Luna Leecher	Posted - 2009.08.15 22:04:00 - [92] Take your time, thanks for doing this good job.
Galal Dax The Panopticon G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E	Posted - 2009.08.15 23:42:00 - [93] ISK received - thanks Kaz, once again, for continuing to put all your time and work into this to unwind it for us all. By my calculations, this is around 50% back of the invested amount at this point. I would vote for having you take your time also - great job. Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Payout made of 3,175,000,000.00 Represents a total recovery of 7,190,324,469.00 Price per share equals 3,283,350.56 I may have to drop the print prices if you all want it to move faster. I'll let the majority of you decide how much longer you want this to run.
Tre Circuit	Posted - 2009.08.16 03:22:00 - [94] I concur, take your time to get the best value, and also thank you for the effort you have put into this. Tre
Mr Bussy	Posted - 2009.09.15 18:35:00 - [95] Just wanted to ask for update regarding the recovery. Thanks.
Cpt Steo	Posted - 2009.10.07 11:06:00 - [96] Just wondering if there is any news on the items for sale? Regards Steo
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.07 13:53:00 - [97] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 07/10/2009 13:53:56 To think I offered to buy this debt and got accused to want to pay it back too slow. Result: you'll wait AND not get the interest I offered. Edit: my offer still stands. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Galal Dax The Circle Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.18 15:50:00 - [98] Originally by: Galal Dax ISK received - thanks Kaz, once again, for continuing to put all your time and work into this to unwind it for us all. By my calculations, this is around 50% back of the invested amount at this point. I would vote for having you take your time also - great job. Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Payout made of 3,175,000,000.00 Represents a total recovery of 7,190,324,469.00 Price per share equals 3,283,350.56 I may have to drop the print prices if you all want it to move faster. I'll let the majority of you decide how much longer you want this to run. Has been a couple of months since the last update. By my last calculations we had received back around 50% of ISK invested - and the thought was we would get another 40% total back - losing about 10%. Still true? Could we get an update please? If my figures are incorrect please correct - thanks!
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.10.18 15:52:00 - [99] Talk to Kazzac in game. I see him logged on, but I haven't seen him on these forums in a while.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.18 16:43:00 - [100] Mi offer is withdrawn, I got the capital BPOs I needed. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Galal Dax The Circle Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.19 17:30:00 - [101] Edited by: Galal Dax on 19/10/2009 17:29:53 Originally by: cosmoray Talk to Kazzac in game. I see him logged on, but I haven't seen him on these forums in a while. I did send Kaz an email and got a reply here is update: Basically he had some other issues to take care of but is still pursuing the sales - here is what he said: "Things have slowed down for the most part so I'll be trying to move them ASAP. Right now there are the following left to sell capital cap cap jump drve cap sens clust cap shielf emit cap ship maint Should see another sales thread pop up by me tomorrow morning. (easier to get it number 1 without violating the 24 hr bump rule)" I thank him again here publicly for helping liquidate this all for us.
Ambo I've Got Nothing	Posted - 2009.10.19 17:46:00 - [102] How did I miss this priceless nugget?! Must have been while I was not in-game much. Epic scamming going on there. --------------------------------------
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.10.19 18:56:00 - [103] Originally by: Ambo How did I miss this priceless nugget?! Must have been while I was not in-game much. Epic scamming going on there. I dont see whats priceless about investors losing isk, it was partially secured.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.10.19 23:06:00 - [104] I'm around and still alive, just had some very troubling personal issues with spouse and work problems hit at the same time. As with everything EVE takes a back seat when RL hits. In any event, things have cooled a little and I'll be continuing to try and liquidate the remainder. The new sell thread is up and if things aren't moved by middlish end of next month I'll just be purchasing them outright and sending divs for the final amount. Questions, EVE mail me. Its easier to get me there now as Im logging in the game a bit more than I had been. Apologies to everyone for the delay and non-communication
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.10.19 23:14:00 - [105] Its np kazzac, hope RL works out for you. Your always welcome to say if you need anything ingame related. I could sell the stuff for you etc..
Ambo I've Got Nothing	Posted - 2009.10.20 07:34:00 - [106] Originally by: Ji Sama Originally by: Ambo How did I miss this priceless nugget?! Must have been while I was not in-game much. Epic scamming going on there. I dont see whats priceless about investors losing isk, it was partially secured. WTS sense of humor. --------------------------------------
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.10.20 08:45:00 - [107] Edited by: Ji Sama on 20/10/2009 08:44:58 Originally by: Ambo Originally by: Ji Sama Originally by: Ambo How did I miss this priceless nugget?! Must have been while I was not in-game much. Epic scamming going on there. I dont see whats priceless about investors losing isk, it was partially secured. WTS sense of humor. Its just rude not to give a price range when selling something, also derailing this thread because you THE GREAT AMBO just wants to sell something just goes to show what an elitist ***** you are. Lastly this isnt the SELL FORUMS; and you are ruiningning my immersion with your wow typing.
Ambo I've Got Nothing	Posted - 2009.10.20 09:12:00 - [108] Originally by: Ji Sama Edited by: Ji Sama on 20/10/2009 08:44:58 Originally by: Ambo Originally by: Ji Sama Originally by: Ambo How did I miss this priceless nugget?! Must have been while I was not in-game much. Epic scamming going on there. I dont see whats priceless about investors losing isk, it was partially secured. WTS sense of humor. Its just rude not to give a price range when selling something, also derailing this thread because you THE GREAT AMBO just wants to sell something just goes to show what an elitist *** you are. Lastly this isnt the SELL FORUMS; and you are ruiningning my immersion with your wow typing. A price range? what? derailing the thread because I want to sell somthing? what? elitist ***? in what way? ruininging - you sound like the crazy frog. immersion - lol wow typing? what? this thread just got even funnier. --------------------------------------
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.10.20 11:40:00 - [109] I am here to serve :D this service announcement was brought to you by the firedrill instructors for a better tomorrow.

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