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Terra Mikael Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.07.18 07:23:00 - [1] I suggest that the system be altered so that many of the faction ships and modules be available on the market much the way that faction ammo is available. The best part is that if you really want to sell it by contact, you can do that, too (the way you can with any item). So overall it will give more flexibility to both the buyers and the sellers. ________________________________ Originally by: Lone Gunman Yes overpowered would be giving a ship with the Covert ops cloak the ability to fire say..Torpedos, now that would be overpowered. But CCP would
Terra Mikael Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.07.18 08:44:00 - [2] ________________________________ Originally by: Lone Gunman Yes overpowered would be giving a ship with the Covert ops cloak the ability to fire say..Torpedos, now that would be overpowered. But CCP would
Dave Meltdown Capital Construction Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.18 09:18:00 - [3] i totaly disagree, it would destroy a hugh trade market
Terra Mikael Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.07.18 09:55:00 - [4] Originally by: Dave Meltdown i totaly disagree, it would destroy a hugh trade market Care to explain how putting items on the market actually destroys them? ________________________________ Originally by: Lone Gunman Yes overpowered would be giving a ship with the Covert ops cloak the ability to fire say..Torpedos, now that would be overpowered. But CCP would
Resivan	Posted - 2009.07.18 11:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Terra Mikael Originally by: Dave Meltdown i totaly disagree, it would destroy a hugh trade market Care to explain how putting items on the market actually destroys them? You can search contracts for the whole universe, the market only the current region. You'd also eliminate several classes of scams. Lame ones, for the most part, but still a notable part of the game.
Terra Mikael Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.07.18 11:31:00 - [6] Edited by: Terra Mikael on 18/07/2009 11:32:41 Originally by: Resivan Originally by: Terra Mikael Originally by: Dave Meltdown i totaly disagree, it would destroy a hugh trade market Care to explain how putting items on the market actually destroys them? You can search contracts for the whole universe, the market only the current region. You'd also eliminate several classes of scams. Lame ones, for the most part, but still a notable part of the game. You can make a contract for anything, from one round of small antimatter to a vargur. Your point it moot. Scammers will adapt, I wouldn't worry about them. But for the most part, 90% of all the faction contracts are in jita 4/4 anyway. might as well drop them into the market tab for quicker browsing. ________________________________ Originally by: Lone Gunman Yes overpowered would be giving a ship with the Covert ops cloak the ability to fire say..Torpedos, now that would be overpowered. But CCP would
dark slanesh	Posted - 2009.07.18 11:42:00 - [7] Not supported Why would you want to be unable to search the entire universe for the best deal on a faction item? If anything your proposal gives less flexibility not more.
Terra Mikael Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.07.18 11:48:00 - [8] So, using your logic, everything should be sold Via contracts for more flexibility? ________________________________ Originally by: Lone Gunman Yes overpowered would be giving a ship with the Covert ops cloak the ability to fire say..Torpedos, now that would be overpowered. But CCP would
Odetta Harpy	Posted - 2009.07.18 12:21:00 - [9] i agree with this, also it would make it possible for people to test faction ships and items on the test server.
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.07.18 16:08:00 - [10] Nope. Faction items should be kept seperate from the market and the hoy poloy and the plebians. If one wants a Ming Vase or some fine caviar one does not go to one's supermarket, one instead looks up classified ads, approaches dealers and such like. On a more serious note, it will destroy a lot of visibility certain rarer items have if the person selling it just throws it on the market.
Zastrow J	Posted - 2009.07.18 17:11:00 - [11] yea keep in mind you can search contracts across all regions. It would be pretty difficult to find a lot of rare items if you had to track down which region had them on the market, or just hope it's Jita (then lose it on the undock)
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.07.18 17:45:00 - [12] I'm entirely in support of this. It'd allow for far better data analysis(average prices, say), and a much easier time searching for items. Exchange contracts should only be necessary for researched/copied blueprints and rigged ships. They have use in other places, but they shouldn't be so necessary for such broad swathes of the market.
swordmaster125 Caldari Ascent of Ages Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.07.18 21:34:00 - [13] Some people are commenting on being able to view across all regions. what youre forgetting (unless theres a skill i dont know about that extends it) you can only accept contracts in your current region. Thus the only convience of the current contracting over all is just to be able to cross reference the average price of an item anywhere at once. Im torn on whether to support or not
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.07.18 21:42:00 - [14] Originally by: swordmaster125 Some people are commenting on being able to view across all regions. what youre forgetting (unless theres a skill i dont know about that extends it) you can only accept contracts in your current region. Thus the only convience of the current contracting over all is just to be able to cross reference the average price of an item anywhere at once. Im torn on whether to support or not No, there is no such skill. And remember also that showing prices across all regions helps for common faction goods(CN launchers and stuff), but for the rarer stuff, it's often less useful than a market would be. If there's zero for sale, you get absolutely nothing under the current system, whereas with a market you could at least head to Forge and see what the last one sold for.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.07.19 05:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Resivan Originally by: Terra Mikael Originally by: Dave Meltdown i totaly disagree, it would destroy a hugh trade market Care to explain how putting items on the market actually destroys them? You can search contracts for the whole universe, the market only the current region. You'd also eliminate several classes of scams. Lame ones, for the most part, but still a notable part of the game. Contracts are there for a reason. Scammers need to earn their livinng somehow too... 100% safe market is not supposed to be there.
steave435 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.07.19 08:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Originally by: swordmaster125 Some people are commenting on being able to view across all regions. what youre forgetting (unless theres a skill i dont know about that extends it) you can only accept contracts in your current region. Thus the only convience of the current contracting over all is just to be able to cross reference the average price of an item anywhere at once. Im torn on whether to support or not No, there is no such skill. And remember also that showing prices across all regions helps for common faction goods(CN launchers and stuff), but for the rarer stuff, it's often less useful than a market would be. If there's zero for sale, you get absolutely nothing under the current system, whereas with a market you could at least head to Forge and see what the last one sold for. In that case, add a contrqact hostory or something. Being able to stay out in 0.0 or wherever you are, 100 jumps from jita or whatever, and still be able to see how much an item is worth is very useful. Contracts also give a completely different trading style, where advertisment and how well you can market a deal decvides how long it take to sell. You can say that you can still use contracts even if the normal market can be used for it, but come on, be realistic...people are lazy, if it's avaiulable on the market, noone will check contracts. Improve the contract system, don't make it obsolete.
Zostera Minmatar Honour Bound	Posted - 2009.07.19 10:03:00 - [17] Not supported. Searching for rare faction items would become much more difficult under this proposal. Evaluating a fair price to pay or ask would also become harder. It would likely lead to a polarisation of sale of these items in Jita. Yes currently I still have to travel to "buy" the item, but of course I can send money to an alt or trusted corp friend to get around this. Zos
Venkul Mul	Posted - 2009.07.19 11:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Zastrow J yea keep in mind you can search contracts across all regions. It would be pretty difficult to find a lot of rare items if you had to track down which region had them on the market, or just hope it's Jita (then lose it on the undock) Seeing as to search in contract you need the correct name of the item, while you can search the market under the right general heading and find the kind of item you want, I think adding faction to the market is a good idea. A typical example are the faction drones. When you are searching them to see if there is a interesting deal, you are happy to search Augmented Acolyte, then augmented Hobgoblin, then Augmented Warrior, then Augmented Hornet, then move to Improved Acolyte, then Improved Hobgoblin, then Improved Warrior and end with Improved Hornet to move then to medium and heavy drones? Or you would prefer to look regional market see what is available with 3 clicks and without typing 24 different names? Then, if you don't like the regional offers you can move to contracts all around EVE. Supported (unless adding all the faction items is a excessive burden to the database).
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.19 11:33:00 - [19] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 19/07/2009 11:34:49 Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn Originally by: Resivan Contracts are there for a reason. Scammers need to earn their livinng somehow too... 100% safe market is not supposed to be there. I suppose you have never seen the buy orders "missing" 3 zeros or the sell orders with some extra zero? Edit: removed pyramid quoting
Daedalus80 Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.19 13:21:00 - [20] I would be bothered to not be able to see faction items for other regions. I think, a better approach to this would be to make contracts better browsable, not to make rare items disappear on jita¦s local market. Not supported.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.07.19 15:48:00 - [21] Originally by: steave435 In that case, add a contrqact hostory or something. Being able to stay out in 0.0 or wherever you are, 100 jumps from jita or whatever, and still be able to see how much an item is worth is very useful...Improve the contract system, don't make it obsolete. Originally by: Daedalus80 I think, a better approach to this would be to make contracts better browsable, not to make rare items disappear on jita¦s local market. If they made contracts have similar functionality to markets in terms of price histories, searchability, etc., then I would also be perfectly happy with that.
Lee Dalton Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.07.19 16:01:00 - [22] No. I don't want to 0.01 ISK war on my faction loot. *** You're only as good as your last fight.
Verys Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.07.19 18:20:00 - [23] There are more benefits to having the rare modules on contracts than on the market as stated by previous comments. However I do would like to see some kind of price history and other tools to make contracts easier and faster. -------------------- Support a change in the blueprint locking mechanics! Click Me
Mr Opinions	Posted - 2009.07.19 22:32:00 - [24] I don't support this. BUT... that is because there is an existing game mechanic called "Black Market" (which you will see in data dumps and if you look at station services on EVE-HQ's map tool etc.). This "Black Market", it was implied was for things that weren't available in normal markets. i.e. faction stuff, contraband, etc.; it's only available in certain stations, etc. Just get CCP to activate this feature.
Carniflex Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2009.08.10 08:24:00 - [25]
Intangible Mirage	Posted - 2009.08.10 12:15:00 - [26] I wish the contracts interface was revamped to where you could look up things like on market and sort them by "Standard", "Faction", "Deadspace", "Officer" in order to scale down what you are looking for.
Dav Varan	Posted - 2009.08.10 13:09:00 - [27]
Fille Balle Dissolution Of Eternity	Posted - 2009.08.10 16:02:00 - [28] Since every man and his dog decided that contract scams are a good idea, I've dreaded every single time I have to search contracts. Not that I've ever been scammed, but recently there's more scam attempts then legit contracts, which makes searching a pain. I think the contracts system needs some work (chose sell or buy orders only on search for a start), but that being said, I've never quite understood the point of having certain items which can not be sold on the market. Just because you CAN sell something on the market, does not mean that it can't be sold on contracts. Look at marauders for instance, they're available in both places, and people buy/sell them in both places. There's loads of stuff that's sold in both places, I can't be assed to make a list, but if you look for them, you'll see that this idea won't change much. Either way, I support this idea!
Foulque Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.08.11 05:09:00 - [29] + 1 ________
Drake Draconis Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.08.11 07:25:00 - [30] Supported... Kill contract spamming. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================

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